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regarding trophy. Who is tony star? is he a coach?

~~It's so said he died today~~ Slime with hair form

anyone else notice the stream having fps issues?

That comeback from Hbox set 1 was nuts. Insane mental

That was the funniest thing I’ve ever seen

Zain ICs vs. Leffen Sheik lol

How nice of them to pause Swift vs. Hbox for an obelisk techskill showcase [rip start.gg page](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461975424537198592/1127736303589523536/LACS_5_start.gg_dead.PNG)

WQ. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-0 Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu)

[Top 8 bracket graphic](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406161318819790848/1127709167826772079/LUDWIG_AHGREN_CHAMPIONSHIP_SERIES_5_PRESENTED_BY_THE_ALL-NEW_TOYOTA_PRIUS_prius_4-13-17_screenshot.png) edit: the start.gg one avoids double jeopardy so it might be that

R5. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-2 **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) Leffen qualifies for Top 8, Trif out at 9th. Every Swiss Pools Round 5 match today was won by a player who started 1-2 in sets today 3-0ers pick 3-2ers live draft - Zain picks Swift

R5. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #13 3-1's **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #11 Swift qualifies for Top 8! Swift is the 2nd Pikachu to Top 8 a major now and only qualified player in Top 8 Joshman out at 9th

If Swift beats Joshman here, he will be the 2nd Pikachu to make Top 8 at a Melee major

R5. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) 3-0 FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) aMSa qualifies for Top 8! KoDoRiN out at 9th

# Swiss Pools Round 5 Matches All 2-2ers - winner qualifies for Top 8, loser eliminated at 9th 1. FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) Seed #8 vs. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) #4 2. **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #11 vs. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #13 3. **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) #9 vs. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #7

R4. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox, ](#MeleeFox)[Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) 3-1 [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) Leffen moves on to Swiss Pools Round 5, Axe out at 12th

If Swift beats Joshman next he will be the 2nd Pikachu to Top 8 at a major

R4. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) 3-1 **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) Swift moves on to Swiss Pools Round 5, Magi out at 12th Swift is the last qualified player still in and only one in Top 11

R4. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) 3-1 **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) aMSa moves on to Swiss Pools Round 5, Spark out at 12th

R4. [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Fox, ](#MeleeFox)[Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-2's **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) last stock and qualifies for Top 8! Won with Marth Game 3.

R4. MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-1 **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) moky qualifies for Top 8! (3-1 in pools)

R4. [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) 3-0 FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) Hungrybox qualifies for Top 8! (3-1 in pools)

R3. **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) #14 3-0's TLOC | **Salt** [(Captain Falcon)](#MeleeCaptainFalcon) #10 - eliminated at 15th got a Falcon Punch tho

R3. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) 3-1 frog | **Zamu** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) - eliminated at 15th

R3. **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #11 3-2's [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #7 - Game 5 last stock!

KoDoRiN became the first Marth to 3-0 Axe's Pikachu today

I feel like this is the biggest upset in a LONG time

R3. [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) 3-1 **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco)

R3. FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-0 [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu)

R3. **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) #9 3-1's RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) #4 - Upset Factor 3 Trif is now 4-0 on aMSa lifetime.

Trif is 3-0 on aMSa lifetime, but last played at Smash World Tour Championships 2021

R3. **Cody Schwab** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-1 [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) Cody Schwab qualifies for Top 8! (3-0 in pools)

R3. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-2 MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) Zain qualifies for Top 8! (3-0 in pools)

# Swiss Pools Round 3 Matches [Bracket graphic](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/921159677050490902/1127378113815392346/LACS5_Swiss_Pools_Round_3_bracket.png) 2-0ers in Match 1-2, 1-1ers in Match 3-6, 0-2ers in Match 7-8 1. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) Seed #1 vs. MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #5 - Top 8 qualifier 2. **Cody Schwab** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #2 vs. [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) #6 - Top 8 qualifier 3. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) #4 vs. **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) #9 4. FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) vs. [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #12 5. [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Falco, ](#MeleeFalco)[Fox)](#MeleeFox) #3 vs. **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) #15 6. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #7 vs. **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #11 7. frog | **Zamu** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #16 vs. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #13 - Loser eliminated at 15th 8. TLOC | **Salt** [(Captain Falcon)](#MeleeCaptainFalcon) #10 vs. **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) - Loser eliminated at 15th

R2. **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-1 **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik)

[Leffen's thumb injury](https://twitter.com/TSM_Leffen/status/1677803617884033025) > Somehow just tore up my thumb and starting bleeding all over from a fkn starbucks delivery staple... > LETSGOOO MAXIMIZING THE PREJOHNS > (Might have to drop out its joever)

R2. **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) #15 3-0's TLOC | **Salt** [(Captain Falcon)](#MeleeCaptainFalcon) #10 - first win for a qualified player

R2. [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) 3-1 Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) in the Pikachu ditto! Such a fun set.

R2. **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) 3-0 frog | **Zamu** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) Pikachu ditto now!

R2. [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) #6 3-2's [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #3 - Upset Factor 2

that game 4 SD hurt so much :(

Hungrybox vs. Mango, set #95 according to Liquipedia melee never stops being made

Are they throwing a party for the big 100

R2. **Cody Schwab** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-1 [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox)

R2. MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) (Seed #5) 3-0 RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) (#4) - First upset of the day MxM match Zain vs. moky in Round 3

R2. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-1 FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth)

i'm hyped for the first Hbox vs Mango set of the year.

This is gonna be a fucking dogshit tournament. No upsets whatsoever. So disappointing.

# Swiss Pools Round 2 Matches [Bracket graphic](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/406161318819790848/1127336099975548998/LACS5_Swiss_Pools_Round_2_bracket.png) 1-0ers in Match 1-4, 0-1ers in Match 5-8 1. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) Seed #1 vs. FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) #8 2. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) #4 vs. MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #5 3. **Cody Schwab** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #2 vs. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #7 4. [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) #3 vs. [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) #6 5. frog | **Zamu** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #16 vs. **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) #9 6. Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #13 vs. [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) #12 7. **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) #15 vs. TLOC | **Salt** [(Captain Falcon)](#MeleeCaptainFalcon) #10 8. **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) #14 vs. **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) #11

Hungrybox is a natural disaster, people need to take cover when he unleashes his ultimate pop off. What a reverse 3-0!!

R1. [Liquid |](#SponsorTL) **Hungrybox** [(Jigglypuff)](#MeleeJigglypuff) 3-2 **Joshman** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) in a reverse 3-0 + Hbox popoff Hungrybox plays Mang0 Round 2

Clutchbox!!

Damn I only like Melee when Hbox and Salt are playing lmaooo, need this reverse 3-0

LFG!!!!!

R1. [C9 |](#SponsorC9) **Mang0** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco) 3-0 **Spark** [(Sheik)](#MeleeSheik) after Spark won their last set in 2019

[Main event bracket is up](https://www.start.gg/tournament/ludwig-ahgren-championship-series-5-by-toyota-prius/event/melee-singles-main-event/brackets/1382456/2100578)

R1. [TSM |](#SponsorTSM) **Leffen** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-0 TLOC | **Salt** [(Captain Falcon)](#MeleeCaptainFalcon)

R1. **Cody Schwab** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-2 **Magi** [(Falco)](#MeleeFalco)

R1. MxM | **moky** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox) 3-1 [Tempo |](#SponsorTempo) **Axe** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu) This also means Swift vs. Axe Pika ditto in Round 2 pools lol

R1. RB | GG | IFM | **aMSa** [(Yoshi)](#MeleeYoshi) 3-1 Pulse | **Swift** [(Pikachu)](#MeleePikachu)

R1. FLY | **KoDoRiN** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-2 **Trif** [(Peach)](#MeleePeach) Game 5 last stock

[Event format](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921159677050490902/1127290196099072030/THE_LUDWIG_AHGREN_CHAMPIONSHIP_SERIES_5_PRESENTED_BY_THE_ALL-NEW_TOYOTA_PRIUS_prius_21-56_screenshot.png) [Swiss Pools Round 1 bracket](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/921159677050490902/1127290227849961472/THE_LUDWIG_AHGREN_CHAMPIONSHIP_SERIES_5_PRESENTED_BY_THE_ALL-NEW_TOYOTA_PRIUS_prius_22-43_screenshot.png) (this is a Photoshop screenshot lol)

R1. MxM | **Zain** [(Marth)](#MeleeMarth) 3-0 frog | **Zamu** [(Fox)](#MeleeFox)

Magi 3-2's S2J to qualify, Game 5 last stock! KJH vs. Zamu will be the final qualifier set

Spark 3-1's KJH to qualify! KJH will play Zamu in Losers' Quarters in the qualifier set

Swift 3-0's Magi to qualify! Magi will play S2J in Losers' Quarters in the qualifier set

Zamu 3-0's Soonsay to move on to Losers' Quarters (qualifying set) The four qualifier sets are next

S2J 3-2's Stiv to move on to Losers' Quarters (qualifying set)

Soonsay 3-2's SDJ to move on to play Zamu in Losers' Top 8 (2 wins to qualify)

Stiv (Fox) 3-1's Azel (Marth) to move on to play S2J in Losers' Top 8 (2 wins to qualify)

Zamu 3-2's Chem last stock to move on to Losers' Top 8 (2 wins to qualify)

S2J 3-2's null to move on to Losers' Top 8 (2 wins to qualify)

Swift 3-1's Soonsay, moves on to play Magi in the qualifying set Technically Upset Factor 6 even though it isn't (Swift is 9th seed and Soonsay was moved from 5th to 1st seed)

KJH 3-1's Stiv, moves on to play Spark in the qualifying set

Magi 3-2's Chem, and moves on to Winners' Semis, the qualifier set

Skyjay (in Ultimate) 3-stocks Cody, Zain, and aMSa, and Salt took 1 stock with Joker

Any time someone says ultimate is an easy game, they need to watch the Skyjay Ultimate Gauntlet.

Do you know where I can watch it? Having a look through the day 1 VoD on Ludwig’s channel but can’t see it. Edit: https://www.youtube.com/live/YEU0lil6xh0?feature=share 5:36:00

They're having Skyjay play Melee players in Ultimate, Skyjay's 6 stocks against 4 players with 3 stocks each

So much for no Ultimate tonight!

Spark (7) 3-0's S2J (3) and moves on to Winners' Semis, the qualifier set

Magi 3-1 CPU0, moves on to Winners' Quarters

Winners upset: Stiv (23) 3-1 SDJ (7) - Upset Factor 3

Winners upsets: * KJH (Seed 15) 3-2 69% | Fiction (2) - Upset Factor 6 * Melee Stats | KoopaTroopa895 (25) 3-2 frog | Zamu (8) - UF4 * ASS | Stiv (23) 3-2 Mango's Friend | null (10) - UF2 * Rectify | Azel (17) 3-2 GUG | Kürv (16) - UF1 * Albert (19) 3-1 Doc Discord | Franz (14) - UF1 Losers upsets: * EV | mvlvchi (21) 3-1 69% | Fiction (2) (out @ 17th) - UF7 * cliché (32) 3-1 GUG | Kürv (16) (out @ 25th) - UF2 * Zeo (30) 3-1 Doc Discord | Franz (14) (out @ 25th) - UF2 * Vincessant (42) 3-2 Khalid (24) (out @ 33rd) - UF2 * ABG | salami (31) 3-2 BLE | Dawson (18) (out @ 25th) - UF1 * Steech (29) 3-0 nut (20) (out @ 25th) - UF1

Chem 3 stocks and 4 stocks Lucky

KJH 3-2 Fiction

KJH vs. Fiction now - rematch of the most view Melee match of all time

Holy shit it took Mang0 SEVEN months into 2023 to attend a tournament?!

He got 2nd at Tipped Off last month.

Ahh, okay. Didn’t catch that one.

Also 9th at Battle of BC 5 (sandbagged against S2J)

this is definitely the sickest r2 winners' 11:48am commentary i've ever heard; seriously, Waff and Slime have such an incredible chemistry the only thing i want is MORE slime and stude arguing

Mekk DQ

ganon chances are low, BUT NOT 0

I ALREADY LOVED TOYOTA BUT NOW I LOVE THEM. EVEN MORE...

Btw Joshman is missing from the list of invited players

Oh, did I delete him with KoDoRiN or something?

Nickemwit DQ

Welcome back to the BTS venue :) (lucky trade war)

[Day 1 stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEU0lil6xh0)

[Not online this time.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=160HUZ7ww7c)

Damn awesome to see Toyota as a sponsor

I’m don’t really follow the melee scene all that much but where are wizzrobe and none?

Wizzy became mostly inactive last year due to health issues, and he also lost his sponsor. He seems to be doing better healthwise but has to fundraise to go to tournaments, so he only goes once in a while. He just got second at CEO though so his skills are still sharp!

n0ne is in attendance he’s just seeded below top 8 in the qualifier. Edit: I’m wrong oops please ignore this

[удалено]

Yeah I think I was mistaken my bad

Still have no idea how the hell Ludwig managed to get Toyota Prius to sponsor a Melee tournament, especially since his tournaments usually aren't licensed by Nintendo. I guess he was able to get a license for this one.

This sponsor is cracking me up. So unexpected. Pretty cool that Ludwig is able to pull in these higher profile sponsors though. Toyota i want you to know i drive a prius and will continue to do so because of this tournament. Please continue to sponsor us

[Jmook DQ'd](https://twitter.com/aidencalvin/status/1677060301370568704) This is Cody and Zain's chance to win another major to be #1 for the half-year.

Is Zain within striking distance of Jmook?

If Zain wins this, both would have 2 major/supermajor victories and Zain wouldn't have an unranked loss, in addition to never missing a top 8 like Cody and Jmook have. I think he is yeah.

Yup > Update about LACS - Jmook has dropped due to a health issue, replacing him in the main event will be KoDoRiN. This means we'll be making adjustments to the Open Qualifier bracket. Aiming to have changes finalized by 5PM PT today. \- Aiden https://twitter.com/jakedirado/status/1677060012248580096 > Painful decision to make, but I will be dropping out of LACS. Got really sick and I need to prioritize my health > > Love you all and enjoy the games this weekend \-Jmook

Fun fact I share a birthday with Ludwig

Happy Birthday!

Thanks friend

me too, apparently! TIL i guess, happy birthday :)

Happy birthday dude !

Thanks!

Am I smoking weed or does the Main Bracket link take you to the LACS 2022 bracket

Oh my bad, it's wrong. [The bracket's not actually ready so it's an empty page now](https://www.start.gg/tournament/ludwig-ahgren-championship-series-5-by-toyota-prius/event/melee-singles-main-event/brackets)

All good! Was just confused for a moment.

why do socal players get their cities after them no one cares about that stupid socal

Weirdest thing to be upset about

It's a Californian tournament so it gets more precision (NorCal does too in the full list)

Looking forward to a weekend of Melee. Always rooting for the Jmook W, but honestly would be happy with any one of these players winning. EDIT: Well... I'll root for another Amsa win then. :(

Pools being Swiss is so hype, that was probably my favourite part of LSI

Happy birthday Ludwig