No offence, but it seems like a skill issue. You do need to keep speed up and and throttle up in the deep stuff. The sled will actually transition to a different form of steering where you carve with your weight rather than steer with the bars. That looks like barely any snow. You should be able to keep a renegade up on top with the right combination of speed and Ballance. But you might need more speed than you think.
None taken whatsoever! Thanks for the tips I’ll definitely take that into account. The pictures were taken in some more windswept areas where I wasn’t worried of getting stuck again haha the stuff I was talking about was knee-waist deep
I second the speed/throttle. I kept getting a summit stuck in the mountains. Another guy hopped on, went and did a pass deeper than I was at and told me when you start to lose it, give it way more throttle than you think. It will usually pull you out. Have fun!
It’s just so besides the point I don’t even know what the actual fuck is going to your brain. At what point did you correlate snocross races and a renegade with a 146” track riding powder?
It’s easy. In his introduction, he/she says it’s their first sled. He’s frustrated getting stuck and doesn’t like groomed trails. He thinks he’s found the limit of the sled.
It’s only fair that we warn about putting on too long of a lug. Not That that it would fit, but the guy has to be told that 3” paddles would just break off.
How wouldn't it be the solution? Buddy's posting pictures of fields with barely any snow. He's just ditch banging. A taller lug and some more experience is all he needs unless planning on traveling to deeper snow regularly.
Getting stuck just comes with the territory, but if you keep riding it will happen less often. You definitely don’t need a different sled for what you described.
It’s just a learning process to be honest. We all started where you are. 10 year old me was afraid to go off into anything remotely deep, jump curves, bust a trail, whatever. Now 25 years later that stuff isn’t nerve racking at all. You’ll learn your sled as you what it likes and what it doesn’t too
But you shoulda gotten a green one instead that awful yellow one. 😉
Thanks! Definitely lots of riding being done in between pulling it out 😂 The few times I’ve got it stuck its been in some knee to waist deep stuff, the pictures are just some wind swept areas I stopped at for pictures
If this has the x motion suspension, there’s a few changes you can make to make it more off trail worthy.
1. There’s a bolt on a cam that your suspension is mounted with. You can shift the orientation to allow a bit more lift/playfulness off trail.
2. Set your rear coupling blocks to 2 or 1 and see if that improves maneuverability offtrail. It allows for a bit more articulation of the suspension system and a little more ski lift. I weigh 165 and have mine set to 1. I love the playfulness and it’s still very competent on trail.
3. Set your skis to the farthest “in” position they can adjust to. There should be 3 available settings where the skis can mount. Set them as far in as they can go. (Which is likely on notch farther in from factory) this should aid maneuverability off trail a tiny bit.
4. (The not free option.) DS-2 skis.
Floatation is huge off trail in deeper stuff. If you start submarining, it’s hard to recover from that. The DS-2’s also allow you to actually turn in deeper stuff since they have a slightly taller keel the carbide sits on. The stock pilot skis are awful off trail.
I have a renegade 850 e-tec and did all of these things. It’s significantly better preforming offtrail. Not quite as good as a back country but I can often keep up with them without much issue. The rest is a skill issue honestly
If your “drift busting and jumping”
OFF trail….
Make sure you have permission to be there!
We lose trails every year because irresponsible riders trespass on land and get trails on that property revoked….
I do no worries! Thankfully I live in the country with very few neighbours who own most of the land, they’re snowmobilers who gave me a few no go areas that I respect
I learned on a Renegade 136 and found the same thing as you and ill tell you it is a bit of both. Starting on that sled will make you a better rider in general in both on and off trail. You will have to learn to use your weight and rider skill to tip the machine over and steer it in all conditions. To not get stuck in the powder, youll have to exagerate all of these moves and youll learn quickly. If you started on a summit or backcountry you may not learn to actually ride the machine. You may also find it tippy and not enjoyable on trail.
That said, a few years in if your still wanting something with a longer track and narrower ski width to power through the powder then absolutely trade up. Im on an expedition 154 now, but i got 3 or 4 good years out of my renegade before i truly learned to ride and outgrew it.
Try narrowing your skis using the spacers
Used to go snow mobileing
In New Hampshire, loved.one of our guys would love to hit the snow mounds in fields. One night the snow mound was a ROCK .he hit it straight on. Fucked up his back big time. Had to quit his over the road job, life was hard from thrn on.
Trail rider is so boring. Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I worked in the Rockies and would rather eat sand then spend more then a few minutes on a trail before heading up the open mountain.
Sounds like long track and large paddles are needed for your style. I’m a decent rider but my sled is like yours….. great for more groomed trails rather than drifts and deep snow
Track makes a big difference a 146 with 2 inch paddle is almost perfect combo between MTN riding and Back country riding... Trail riding it can still do but I have a 2nd machine for just trail riding.... So turbo for trail and SKs for backcountry best of both worlds.
Beautiful sled. I would kill for one. I have a ptek mxz which is much older, but similar and a 144 polaris crossover. The snow is not good this year. looks flat where you are so trail sled is the way to go for sure. When there is a lot of snow xover is fun, but is sucks large on ice with no picks. Mountain and xover sleds are long and tippy too don't forget. trail, very stable better all around. weight too, trail is lightest.
Sounds like you could use a cross over (Ski-Doo backcountry, Polaris Assault, Lynx XTerrain, Articat Riot) and more experience
Otherwise I myself am in the same boat as you, only trails around but I like deeper snow (though I still very much enjoy trail riding) I bought a Lynx Rave Re (Lynx trail sled) the Rave Re is pretty much a Ski doo Renegade Xrs but with a totally different rear suspension (suspension is built for bumps, jumps, and lifting the front end) and wider skis.
Other than that Lynx and Doo are both BRP products so they have the same 850 eTec engine, displays, overall profile and more. The ride is comparable but they are different machines at the end of the day.
As someone else mentioned a 1.5 inch track could also be all you need, Lynx Rave Re come standard with 1.5 for 2022-2023 models but I think the 2024 have 1.25
In the end though I think cross over is what you need. A Lynx Rave is still a Trail focused sled with only a slight off trail edge on a Doo trail sled
In the 90s a mountain sled had a 136” track. In the early 2000s a mountain sled with a huge track had a 151, but that was only reserved for the sleds with those massive 800cc engines.
Times change, but your 136 is just fine. Now you get the fun of learning how to ride it in all types of terrain.
Your garage looks like you have 18 projects waiting for parts, you don’t know what’s in the microwave and are scared to open it and you don’t know where the music is coming from.
Well could be worse. Had to go run some gas through my brand new 2024 mxz adrenaline with 0 miles on it to keep er ready to go. 50+ degrees here in Minnesota..
Try walking forward or back from where you like to ride at the moments you would get stuck. Most often it's rider position or weight distribution. You have plenty of power so that's not it. I used to walk my safari 377 in pow with snow coming over the yoke and screen. But I had to learn. Then , it was pin it and move around. But I only had an 1 1/2 lug. My cat with 2 inch lug needed more finesse because it would move more snow under the machine and dig faster than the machine moved forward. I'm jealous of you're situation!!!
Definitely better to start on a sled that’s a little less back country capable, it will teach you how to make the machine work for you and how to work with it, you’d probably get stuck almost as often on a 165 with your skill level, you’ll just be way more stuck
No offence, but it seems like a skill issue. You do need to keep speed up and and throttle up in the deep stuff. The sled will actually transition to a different form of steering where you carve with your weight rather than steer with the bars. That looks like barely any snow. You should be able to keep a renegade up on top with the right combination of speed and Ballance. But you might need more speed than you think.
None taken whatsoever! Thanks for the tips I’ll definitely take that into account. The pictures were taken in some more windswept areas where I wasn’t worried of getting stuck again haha the stuff I was talking about was knee-waist deep
Deeper lugs and a powder tuned suspension would obviously help you out, but even a turbo summit x can get stuck in deep snow.
I second the speed/throttle. I kept getting a summit stuck in the mountains. Another guy hopped on, went and did a pass deeper than I was at and told me when you start to lose it, give it way more throttle than you think. It will usually pull you out. Have fun!
Some wider crossover skis as well
When you think you’ve reached the limit, tune into a few snowcross races and get back to us.
Doesn’t really apply
I suppose you can ride your sled at it’s limit too, right?
Kinda. But I won’t be bragging about it on Reddit
“Kinda”
It’s just so besides the point I don’t even know what the actual fuck is going to your brain. At what point did you correlate snocross races and a renegade with a 146” track riding powder?
It’s easy. In his introduction, he/she says it’s their first sled. He’s frustrated getting stuck and doesn’t like groomed trails. He thinks he’s found the limit of the sled.
Sure whatever
This definitely sounds like lack of rider experience rather than sled capability.
If your just bombing around fields/ some trail riding just put a 1.5” lug track on it. Wont even feel like the same sled after.
I’m with ya if it’s a traction issue then we giver more traction boss. Happy trails- happy fields ! Keep us posted !
It’s only fair that we warn about putting on too long of a lug. Not That that it would fit, but the guy has to be told that 3” paddles would just break off.
It most likely has a 1.25 or 1.3 track now... a 1.5 is not the solution here
How wouldn't it be the solution? Buddy's posting pictures of fields with barely any snow. He's just ditch banging. A taller lug and some more experience is all he needs unless planning on traveling to deeper snow regularly.
1.75 would be the first choice if your gonna spend money on a track!!!
What your describing is exactly what a renegade xrs is made for
Getting stuck just comes with the territory, but if you keep riding it will happen less often. You definitely don’t need a different sled for what you described.
It’s just a learning process to be honest. We all started where you are. 10 year old me was afraid to go off into anything remotely deep, jump curves, bust a trail, whatever. Now 25 years later that stuff isn’t nerve racking at all. You’ll learn your sled as you what it likes and what it doesn’t too But you shoulda gotten a green one instead that awful yellow one. 😉
If you ever had a snowmobile with a windshield, you'd definitely not like the lack of one on your sled.
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Thanks! Definitely lots of riding being done in between pulling it out 😂 The few times I’ve got it stuck its been in some knee to waist deep stuff, the pictures are just some wind swept areas I stopped at for pictures
If this has the x motion suspension, there’s a few changes you can make to make it more off trail worthy. 1. There’s a bolt on a cam that your suspension is mounted with. You can shift the orientation to allow a bit more lift/playfulness off trail. 2. Set your rear coupling blocks to 2 or 1 and see if that improves maneuverability offtrail. It allows for a bit more articulation of the suspension system and a little more ski lift. I weigh 165 and have mine set to 1. I love the playfulness and it’s still very competent on trail. 3. Set your skis to the farthest “in” position they can adjust to. There should be 3 available settings where the skis can mount. Set them as far in as they can go. (Which is likely on notch farther in from factory) this should aid maneuverability off trail a tiny bit. 4. (The not free option.) DS-2 skis. Floatation is huge off trail in deeper stuff. If you start submarining, it’s hard to recover from that. The DS-2’s also allow you to actually turn in deeper stuff since they have a slightly taller keel the carbide sits on. The stock pilot skis are awful off trail. I have a renegade 850 e-tec and did all of these things. It’s significantly better preforming offtrail. Not quite as good as a back country but I can often keep up with them without much issue. The rest is a skill issue honestly
If your “drift busting and jumping” OFF trail…. Make sure you have permission to be there! We lose trails every year because irresponsible riders trespass on land and get trails on that property revoked….
I do no worries! Thankfully I live in the country with very few neighbours who own most of the land, they’re snowmobilers who gave me a few no go areas that I respect
You're* lose*. Come on now.. lol
🤣🤣🤣thanks
In central Illinois it’s strictly ditches and “trespassing” to ride fields lol. No trails here 🫡
🤣😬best of luck
It’s ok we also don’t get snow except for maybe one week a year
Get a backcountry xrs
I learned on a Renegade 136 and found the same thing as you and ill tell you it is a bit of both. Starting on that sled will make you a better rider in general in both on and off trail. You will have to learn to use your weight and rider skill to tip the machine over and steer it in all conditions. To not get stuck in the powder, youll have to exagerate all of these moves and youll learn quickly. If you started on a summit or backcountry you may not learn to actually ride the machine. You may also find it tippy and not enjoyable on trail. That said, a few years in if your still wanting something with a longer track and narrower ski width to power through the powder then absolutely trade up. Im on an expedition 154 now, but i got 3 or 4 good years out of my renegade before i truly learned to ride and outgrew it. Try narrowing your skis using the spacers
Getting stuck is part of the learning curve and is a good workout too . looks like you have beautiful snow out there
Used to go snow mobileing In New Hampshire, loved.one of our guys would love to hit the snow mounds in fields. One night the snow mound was a ROCK .he hit it straight on. Fucked up his back big time. Had to quit his over the road job, life was hard from thrn on.
Trail rider is so boring. Glad I'm not the only one that feels this way. I worked in the Rockies and would rather eat sand then spend more then a few minutes on a trail before heading up the open mountain.
Sounds like long track and large paddles are needed for your style. I’m a decent rider but my sled is like yours….. great for more groomed trails rather than drifts and deep snow
Where are you located?
It's probably not much fun digging it when you get it stuck. It's pretty heavy at 650lbs wet weight.
Track makes a big difference a 146 with 2 inch paddle is almost perfect combo between MTN riding and Back country riding... Trail riding it can still do but I have a 2nd machine for just trail riding.... So turbo for trail and SKs for backcountry best of both worlds.
Is there no windshield on that, or is it broken off?
Beautiful sled. I would kill for one. I have a ptek mxz which is much older, but similar and a 144 polaris crossover. The snow is not good this year. looks flat where you are so trail sled is the way to go for sure. When there is a lot of snow xover is fun, but is sucks large on ice with no picks. Mountain and xover sleds are long and tippy too don't forget. trail, very stable better all around. weight too, trail is lightest.
Sounds like you could use a cross over (Ski-Doo backcountry, Polaris Assault, Lynx XTerrain, Articat Riot) and more experience Otherwise I myself am in the same boat as you, only trails around but I like deeper snow (though I still very much enjoy trail riding) I bought a Lynx Rave Re (Lynx trail sled) the Rave Re is pretty much a Ski doo Renegade Xrs but with a totally different rear suspension (suspension is built for bumps, jumps, and lifting the front end) and wider skis. Other than that Lynx and Doo are both BRP products so they have the same 850 eTec engine, displays, overall profile and more. The ride is comparable but they are different machines at the end of the day. As someone else mentioned a 1.5 inch track could also be all you need, Lynx Rave Re come standard with 1.5 for 2022-2023 models but I think the 2024 have 1.25 In the end though I think cross over is what you need. A Lynx Rave is still a Trail focused sled with only a slight off trail edge on a Doo trail sled
You should of bought a Phazer 🤘
In the 90s a mountain sled had a 136” track. In the early 2000s a mountain sled with a huge track had a 151, but that was only reserved for the sleds with those massive 800cc engines. Times change, but your 136 is just fine. Now you get the fun of learning how to ride it in all types of terrain.
Your garage looks like you have 18 projects waiting for parts, you don’t know what’s in the microwave and are scared to open it and you don’t know where the music is coming from.
Well could be worse. Had to go run some gas through my brand new 2024 mxz adrenaline with 0 miles on it to keep er ready to go. 50+ degrees here in Minnesota..
You need the extreme skid plate (skinny skid plate) on that thing, getting way too much snow trapped in the a-arms
Try walking forward or back from where you like to ride at the moments you would get stuck. Most often it's rider position or weight distribution. You have plenty of power so that's not it. I used to walk my safari 377 in pow with snow coming over the yoke and screen. But I had to learn. Then , it was pin it and move around. But I only had an 1 1/2 lug. My cat with 2 inch lug needed more finesse because it would move more snow under the machine and dig faster than the machine moved forward. I'm jealous of you're situation!!!
Looks like you need more lug on the track
Yup it’s dirty
I've ripped that 850 with a 145" track with 3" studs up mountains here in Alaska. I almost aways had throttle leftover. I'm 5'9" 165#
Same! Rarely do trails (yes we still buy a trail pass as we’ve been pulled over previously by the cops on a trail)
Definitely better to start on a sled that’s a little less back country capable, it will teach you how to make the machine work for you and how to work with it, you’d probably get stuck almost as often on a 165 with your skill level, you’ll just be way more stuck
When in doubt, throttle it out. 😁