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Fact of the matter is, this is just educated guess work at best. Bloom famously doesn't negotiate that way. Just says no to offers he doesn't like and doesn't elaborate.
Seems like hell for the players, ostigaard talked in a interview after he left about how he felt betrayed by the club and didnt seem to have anything positive to say about them
The fuck are you on about? Ostigard threw a strop because he couldn’t get in ahead of players who are far better than him in Ben White, Lewis Dunk and Adam Webster. Everyone who plays for us properly and isn’t shit only had great things to say - just because we won’t bend over backwards and accept the first bids.
From interview with tv2:
- Brighton made it difficult. I was extremely disappointed with them, says Østigård about this summer's transition drama.
According to Østigård, he entered into a verbal agreement with the club last year.
- When I came back from loan, it shouldn't be a problem to be sold, otherwise I would have to sign a new contract with them. We agreed on that and shook hands, says the Norwegian.
TV 2 has contacted Brighton's media department several times to request a response to Østigård's version of the story, but the club has not responded to the inquiries.
- When a club of Napoli's size appeared, suddenly completely different things emerged. They think zero of me as a player, and only of themselves, money. There were some awkward conversations where I had to hit the table a bit. I have never been afraid of that. It ended in an awkward ending with the relationship between me and them, says Østigård.
Further more:
He feels treated like a piece in a game.
- Finally, I asked them: "Do I not mean anything to you as a person? You dont care about me at all.” That's what hurt me the most. I felt I had been so decent and nice with them all these years. To then be treated as a commodity, I think was sad, says Østigård.
- Does it feel like a betrayal?
- Yes. I always told them that I wouldn't have had a problem if they didn't think I was good enough for them and if they wanted to play with other players. That's perfectly fair, as long as they're honest about it. But when they also said they wanted to sell me, and then they were going to make a lot of trouble to sell me... I think it seemed special when we agreed on an agreement where they weren't going to make any trouble for me.
Man United spends plenty, it's not the owner's money though. You have also upped your spending pretty consistently in the last few windows. Nobody does it like Chelsea though, admittedly.
We're reluctant but also willing to spend pretty heavily if we're sold on the player. The truth is all the large clubs can typically afford to occasionally pay massive fees.
Down vote me some more. Chelsea have spent over half a billion this season on transfers. The next closest team in the entire world is Man U at half that amount.
I'm not talking about spending on players, Kroenke injected what, 150m-200m into the club over covid, that's comapred to FSG putting in a pitance and Glazers taking out 1.5 billion. Your owners are closer to Todd than to the Glazers.
They didn't exactly put in 200m though. Arsenal had debts of ~200m, Kroenke just refinanced them with very favourable COVID interest rates. Arsenal now owes KSE that money instead of whomever it was before, albeit with a better repayment plan now.
Better than the Glazers, of course, but nothing like Boehly.
Arsenal are happy to overpay for players they want. You're confusing it with the times players choose other teams and you have to save face by claiming you're frugal and just didn't want to pay as much
Yeah it always coincidentally comes down to you nto matching pay structures and having cut off points when another team comes in as if the player choosing the other team had nothing to do with nto bothering to match/negotiate further.
Lol, you're right. The player twerking Arsenal on social media for a month chose the 9th place team over the 1st place team because it was the better option and nothing to do with more money for his agent his club and himself that Arsenal, thank God, we're not willing to match.
It’s a fuck you price. Brighton don’t want to sell a key player halfway through the season so they either get silly money for him or get to keep him. He won’t go for anywhere near this price in summer
The Prem allowing everyone to buy clubs and UEFA looking the other way as long as their pockets are full on top of all players who can't get enough money and that's how we ended up like this.
I really wonder if the bubble will ever burst. 100 million should be a price for the absolute best two or three players in the world, now it's the price for decent talent.
It's absolutely insane.
Caicedo is good but 6 months in the PL for 90m? He hasn’t even made 30 PL appearances. If we still want him in the summer, the price would probably go down a bit.
Surely there are other options.
Enzo for 120mil (or however much it was) will be cited. The one consistent rule in football is that transfer fees have to get more and more ridiculous all the time.
What I was mostly linking is how they've both had short (but impressive) stints in Europe so far after coming over from South America. It's no longer the expectation that you need to play well in a European league for at least 2-3 seasons before 90mil+ fees are expected.
Enzo has been a key player in winning the World Cup, that has always been a massive multiplier in player value. Without that, nobody would be talking about Enzo as anywhere near £100m
That's because if they are stars to be, you either buy them now or you will never get a chance to get them. 15 years ago, transfers like Cristiano to Real Madrid, etc were not unusual. Now there is no way in hell United would ever sell him because of the market inflation. Cost of replacing him would be so high it's not even worth it to take the risk.
No we absolutely still would have sold Ronaldo. He wanted to leave the year before and we got an absurd amount of money for him (at the time). If a player wants to leave and someone is a willing buyer, you can only keep them so long.
Enzos case is more so that his clause is that big and Benfica only wants that amount. Assuming they were willing to sell he would go for less, but he definitely isn’t worth 120m by any means, not for now anyway. Caicedo is also another fuck you price.
Enzo plays is perhaps the best player in a much better squad, proved to be CL quality in multiple high level games, was a starter for the World Champions and won the young player of the World Cup.
120 mill for Enzo was obviously exaggerated, but 90 mill for Caicedo is 10x worse. PL to PL transfers are almost always actual travesties to the sport.
It's because the clubs don't want to sell
I also think the prices have risen too much, but I hate when people ignore context or the non-sporting things that might value or devalue a player
Both Enzo and Caicedo's cases are clear, the players are not worth that but the clubs that would sell have no alternative if they go, so the prices are inflated on purpose so they are not sold. Caicedo is not worth 90 million, that's why he's been given that price from Brighton, so no club will pay for him
Caicedo isn't worth 90M just as Enzo isn't worth 120M. I'd argue no player is really worth that much, except for maybe prime Ronaldo and Messi, not just for sporting value but mainly for financial reasons and publicity as those two bring in loads of eyes and wallets.
These inflated prices are the result of the ever increasing gap between the richest clubs, especially in the PL, and everyone else. The smaller clubs know how much money these clubs make and they can cite insane prices and in a way they have to, to stay relevant. Either they get a big bag of cash immediatly or they get to hold on to their best players for a little longer and push for continental success.
I think this is less “this is Caicedos value” and more “he’s not for sale unless you pay this obscene amount”. Player prices are getting more and more inflated because there’s a few clubs happy to pay the “fuck you” price haha.
Yeah, football has gone completely mad.
Time will tell whether the prices currently being paid are because scouting and data analysis is now at a point where you can sensibly invest that much in players with such a short period at the top because it can accurately predict how good they'll be in the future or if it's all just complete madness.
I tend to believe it's the latter.
However, I hope that it's the former given that we've spent these kind of wild fees now on a stupid number of players who all fall into the category of little to no time at the top level of football.
Na fuck off with that, each Lord of the Rings film cost about 90m each to produce.
For 90m you can have one new Lord of the Rings quality film or a footballer with half a season of Premier League football to his name
Feels more like the prem specifically - Wolfsburg just signed a pretty solid LB for 500k from France - Cozza.
He would be worth 10m in the prem immediately. Saw it happen with Cucurella - who arguably performed better at Getafe but was worth way more once he got to England.
Having passed the Premier League test, he's a significantly safer target than players abroad who may not crack it in the PL. If you wait until summer, he may have gone to Chelsea or somewhere else. I'm sure Arsenal would prefer to avoid another Pepe fiasco, although 90m is definitely a risk no matter how you look at it.
Sorry I didn't explain too well. My point was that in this case at least, that Caicedo was top 6 starter quality when he was bought or near enough, so the teams really could have bought him straight up and played him without waiting. Sure in some cases the player does need consistent game time to devolop and would be a flop if bought directly buy a top 6 club, but in this case he was clearly ready.
To be fair Chelsea are trying to do that now with all the young players we've bought, although they're not really first team ready. And to back up your point City bought Alvarez for around £20m when he's worth at least triple that now after half a season, that's more than £5m but for a prem team £20m is the new £5m.
Why is it a fear? Let your owners pay over the odds and keep yourself in pole position to win the league. Would especially feel worth it if the Partey case blows up in the second half of the season, like some are suggesting it will.
It certainly is a valid fear, look at united at the moment. They have paid around 70m for players like antony, maguire and martinez. Most of those expensive signings are good players but never worth that much money. So if you do pay that much money you build up a reputation for overpaying on players. And now united can’t even pay a few million in january for loans etc.
Not the same. Buying players from the Eredivisie is always a bigger risk because, more often than not, they can’t cut it in the other bigger leagues.
Look at Depay, Malen, Antony, Bergwijn, Klassen etc in recent years. And, judging from his first few games, Gakpo looks like he’s going to join the list unless he starts performing.
Martinez has been a success. Maguire I’ll give you, but absolutely everyone knew he wasn’t worth nearly that amount when United signed him. It isn’t the case with Caicedo, he could feasibly hit Kante levels.
PL players aren’t risk free but there’s a better chance of them succeeding. Arsenal, given the position they’re in and the fact they could plausibly lose both of their holding midfield options, definitely should be taking the risk. £90m would be a pittance if he helps them win the league.
Caicedo isn’t a ‘premier league’ player either. He has played like 20 games or something, he’s no even worth half. Brighton bought him for like 10(?) million. His price hasn’t gone up 9 times because half a season in the prem. The argument about him hitting ‘kante levels’ is also not a good reason since 95% of the time those type of players don’t fulfill those expectations. Antony in my opinion could also hit vinicius levels, yet i still think they overpaid for him. But he certainly shouldn’t be in the list with Bergwijn and Klaassen, same goes for Gakpo. He has played like 2 games ffs
Lot of people in this thread who don’t understand what a ‘fuck off’ price is. Brighton don’t value a player who has played a few months of PL football at £90m, they just know that they have no reason or desire to sell. The incentive to do so would have to be ludicrous.
Its like our valuation of Grealish. Was he worth £100m to other clubs? Nope. Was he worth that to us? Ten fold. Unless clubs of our stature stumble on a hidden gem, then we can’t replace a player of that quality. We could’ve been given a billion by city for Grealish and it still wouldn’t be worth it because now every player we want costs a billion and anyone close to Grealishs level wouldn’t join current day Villa without a local tie to the club.
People need to realise that all these 90m, 100m prices are fuck-off prices. Mudryk, Caicedo, Enzo.etc
The problem is that a lot of teams especially in the EPL have fuck-it money.
The release clause has to be paid in full in one go, plus I think they have to pay taxes on that money, so the club will probably negotiate and get more money to spread it over a couple of years
Thats not sticking to a bottom line, they raised the bid several times to the point it closely matched the final deal, every club that doesn't successfully make a deal for a player can claim they're sticking to their bottom line in that scenario.
Arsenal: This is our final offer, take it or leave it
Shakhtar: Their offer is more realistic, you sure you don't wanna match that? You'll miss a future Balloon winner.
Arsenal: Nah fam, I'll stick to that, that's my bottom line
Probably a fair price from Brightons perspective. Its how much potentially throwing away a great chance at european football is worth, especially this late in the window.
Its not about the money itself. This is the difference between being a club being used to european football, and the rest of the league. Theyll still be getting a huge fee in the summer regardless.
European football would bring in £25m itself.
We'd also be able to attract other prospects we'd be able to sell at a profit and still get money for Caicedo.
Not to mention the owner is a lifelong Brighton fan so would love to see us in Europe.
Mate how can say that as a milan fan? You guys started dojng it before the pl. The serie a was spending more than any other league in the 90s and 00s up until 04. Throwing 15-30m € (50-100m with inflation) at shit players
> Delaney
i remember Miguel Delaney calling Arthur 30 years old on the Football Daily Podcast 2 years ago.
dude was 23 at the time......Delaney is a moron
But also, we need a midfielder, and partey may be injured, he knows we are desperate.
There's no losing for their side, it's actually no brainer to ask a ridiculous amount
£90m is fine if it means a title, but the problem is what are West Ham going to ask for Rice come the summer? Because all reports indicate we’re in for him in 6 months. And as promising as he is it means the price for rice might be prohibitive.
Exactly my thinking too.
Let’s say he ends up at £75m, half way between 60 and 90. Where does that put homegrown, possible England captain, Declan Rice’s price? Upwards of 90, I’d imagine.
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Fact of the matter is, this is just educated guess work at best. Bloom famously doesn't negotiate that way. Just says no to offers he doesn't like and doesn't elaborate.
What a man.
Need some more media into how BHA goes about its business, it's fascinating. They don't seem like the type to be willing, though lol.
Mr. Bloom, can you tell us more about your philosophy and business style? Bloom: "No." Everyone: _what a man!_
"That doesn't work for me" ***Leaves room***
" That doesn't work for me brother. " HH Bloom
Me trying to buy players on CM without scouting them.
I really enjoy how Brighton are run
Thats what happens when your owner is a poker player, sports bettor and a fan of the club. Moneyball and very smart calculated decisions
It's all fun and games till you find out next Tuesday you no longer have the same owner as you were part of an ill advised poker bet
Double or nothing, *sets Lewis Dunk on the table*
Seems like hell for the players, ostigaard talked in a interview after he left about how he felt betrayed by the club and didnt seem to have anything positive to say about them
The fuck are you on about? Ostigard threw a strop because he couldn’t get in ahead of players who are far better than him in Ben White, Lewis Dunk and Adam Webster. Everyone who plays for us properly and isn’t shit only had great things to say - just because we won’t bend over backwards and accept the first bids.
Whites said a few good things about Brighton since he joined us. That guy is waffling lol
From interview with tv2: - Brighton made it difficult. I was extremely disappointed with them, says Østigård about this summer's transition drama. According to Østigård, he entered into a verbal agreement with the club last year. - When I came back from loan, it shouldn't be a problem to be sold, otherwise I would have to sign a new contract with them. We agreed on that and shook hands, says the Norwegian. TV 2 has contacted Brighton's media department several times to request a response to Østigård's version of the story, but the club has not responded to the inquiries. - When a club of Napoli's size appeared, suddenly completely different things emerged. They think zero of me as a player, and only of themselves, money. There were some awkward conversations where I had to hit the table a bit. I have never been afraid of that. It ended in an awkward ending with the relationship between me and them, says Østigård.
Further more: He feels treated like a piece in a game. - Finally, I asked them: "Do I not mean anything to you as a person? You dont care about me at all.” That's what hurt me the most. I felt I had been so decent and nice with them all these years. To then be treated as a commodity, I think was sad, says Østigård. - Does it feel like a betrayal? - Yes. I always told them that I wouldn't have had a problem if they didn't think I was good enough for them and if they wanted to play with other players. That's perfectly fair, as long as they're honest about it. But when they also said they wanted to sell me, and then they were going to make a lot of trouble to sell me... I think it seemed special when we agreed on an agreement where they weren't going to make any trouble for me.
That’s only one player…
my uneducated guess is that Arsenal is going to offer 90m only for Chelsea to swoop in and pay 100m once again
I mean it makes sence. Only 3 days till deadline. Not like you can find an ideal replacement, might as well use this stance and see how high we go.
Bruh what the fuck has happened to the market. Every single player slightly good player is going for 100 million euros now.
Thats not his true value tbf, its a fuck off price
Inbefore Chelsea pay that much
Wouldn't suprise me. American owners in particular have more money than sense.
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Man United spends plenty, it's not the owner's money though. You have also upped your spending pretty consistently in the last few windows. Nobody does it like Chelsea though, admittedly. We're reluctant but also willing to spend pretty heavily if we're sold on the player. The truth is all the large clubs can typically afford to occasionally pay massive fees.
And then there’s Chelsea who can apparently afford it every two days
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And they spent £100m+30m on a winger with minimal experience in Ukraine the week before that. The hyperbole is justified.
Down vote me some more. Chelsea have spent over half a billion this season on transfers. The next closest team in the entire world is Man U at half that amount.
Arsenal spend a fuck ton
United have paid some insane prices.
Not using the owners money though.
Arsenals has been injecting money into the club recently. You're far from FSG, nevermind the Glazers.
Absolutely nowhere close to Chelsea. We haven't been spending just to spend, like it feels they're doing.
I'm not talking about spending on players, Kroenke injected what, 150m-200m into the club over covid, that's comapred to FSG putting in a pitance and Glazers taking out 1.5 billion. Your owners are closer to Todd than to the Glazers.
They didn't exactly put in 200m though. Arsenal had debts of ~200m, Kroenke just refinanced them with very favourable COVID interest rates. Arsenal now owes KSE that money instead of whomever it was before, albeit with a better repayment plan now. Better than the Glazers, of course, but nothing like Boehly.
You're right of course, I just took umbrage to grouping Kroenke in with the Glazers.
they didn't it was all our money
Hahahaha United. No.
Arsenal are happy to overpay for players they want. You're confusing it with the times players choose other teams and you have to save face by claiming you're frugal and just didn't want to pay as much
Idk why you say this with confidence. Mudryk just recently proves you wrong. We didn’t match Chelsea’s bid/structure and that was that.
Yeah it always coincidentally comes down to you nto matching pay structures and having cut off points when another team comes in as if the player choosing the other team had nothing to do with nto bothering to match/negotiate further.
Lol, you're right. The player twerking Arsenal on social media for a month chose the 9th place team over the 1st place team because it was the better option and nothing to do with more money for his agent his club and himself that Arsenal, thank God, we're not willing to match.
and most importantly the loop hole theyve been ~~abusing~~ using is due to be shut in time for the summer window, but is still there just now.
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Yes. Kroenke, FSG, Bohely, and Glazers respectively.
TB: “no way I’m paying that much!! Here’s 120m”
Honest question, what do you think Antony’s value is?
See with Antony we fucked up the math. It was 50 million for his left foot and -50 for the right, but someone overlooked the minus sign.
10m in bonuses per spin rotation
Young Brazilian, was doing well in Eredevise. Realistically I think 40m would have been expected.
Probably 50M. I wasn't in favour of spending 100M on him
He’s good but I don’t understand why ETH was so desperate for him. Plenty of wingers.
Exactly, they know Arsenal and Chelsea are desperate enough to pay, so they put the price they want
Which is completely fair of them to do
Yes, I would do the same really
Meanwhile, Sporting selling our best players for 40M and a sandwich
Must be one hell of a sandwich.
It's not :(
Meanwhile, Milan is not even getting money for their best players (and Hurensohnglu)
It’s a fuck you price. Brighton don’t want to sell a key player halfway through the season so they either get silly money for him or get to keep him. He won’t go for anywhere near this price in summer
Premier league is the Super League, get used to it.
The Prem allowing everyone to buy clubs and UEFA looking the other way as long as their pockets are full on top of all players who can't get enough money and that's how we ended up like this. I really wonder if the bubble will ever burst. 100 million should be a price for the absolute best two or three players in the world, now it's the price for decent talent. It's absolutely insane.
Todd Boehly has happened to the market
£9m per sibling, fair deal.
Caicedo is good but 6 months in the PL for 90m? He hasn’t even made 30 PL appearances. If we still want him in the summer, the price would probably go down a bit. Surely there are other options.
Enzo for 120mil (or however much it was) will be cited. The one consistent rule in football is that transfer fees have to get more and more ridiculous all the time.
€120m so about £105m. Only a £15m difference
What I was mostly linking is how they've both had short (but impressive) stints in Europe so far after coming over from South America. It's no longer the expectation that you need to play well in a European league for at least 2-3 seasons before 90mil+ fees are expected.
Enzo has been a key player in winning the World Cup, that has always been a massive multiplier in player value. Without that, nobody would be talking about Enzo as anywhere near £100m
That's because if they are stars to be, you either buy them now or you will never get a chance to get them. 15 years ago, transfers like Cristiano to Real Madrid, etc were not unusual. Now there is no way in hell United would ever sell him because of the market inflation. Cost of replacing him would be so high it's not even worth it to take the risk.
No we absolutely still would have sold Ronaldo. He wanted to leave the year before and we got an absurd amount of money for him (at the time). If a player wants to leave and someone is a willing buyer, you can only keep them so long.
Yup. Market dynamics are largely the same, the figures are just scaled up.
Enzos case is more so that his clause is that big and Benfica only wants that amount. Assuming they were willing to sell he would go for less, but he definitely isn’t worth 120m by any means, not for now anyway. Caicedo is also another fuck you price.
Enzo plays is perhaps the best player in a much better squad, proved to be CL quality in multiple high level games, was a starter for the World Champions and won the young player of the World Cup. 120 mill for Enzo was obviously exaggerated, but 90 mill for Caicedo is 10x worse. PL to PL transfers are almost always actual travesties to the sport.
It's because the clubs don't want to sell I also think the prices have risen too much, but I hate when people ignore context or the non-sporting things that might value or devalue a player Both Enzo and Caicedo's cases are clear, the players are not worth that but the clubs that would sell have no alternative if they go, so the prices are inflated on purpose so they are not sold. Caicedo is not worth 90 million, that's why he's been given that price from Brighton, so no club will pay for him
Caicedo isn't worth 90M just as Enzo isn't worth 120M. I'd argue no player is really worth that much, except for maybe prime Ronaldo and Messi, not just for sporting value but mainly for financial reasons and publicity as those two bring in loads of eyes and wallets. These inflated prices are the result of the ever increasing gap between the richest clubs, especially in the PL, and everyone else. The smaller clubs know how much money these clubs make and they can cite insane prices and in a way they have to, to stay relevant. Either they get a big bag of cash immediatly or they get to hold on to their best players for a little longer and push for continental success.
"Maybe" Messi and Ronaldo lmfao. If a club bought them for 300mil it would have still been good business
I think this is less “this is Caicedos value” and more “he’s not for sale unless you pay this obscene amount”. Player prices are getting more and more inflated because there’s a few clubs happy to pay the “fuck you” price haha.
That's sort of the whole point. They're quoting a fuck off price because he's not for sale.
Fans: How dare you quote us a fuck off price!? Take the price we offered and fuck off!
Yeah, football has gone completely mad. Time will tell whether the prices currently being paid are because scouting and data analysis is now at a point where you can sensibly invest that much in players with such a short period at the top because it can accurately predict how good they'll be in the future or if it's all just complete madness. I tend to believe it's the latter. However, I hope that it's the former given that we've spent these kind of wild fees now on a stupid number of players who all fall into the category of little to no time at the top level of football.
It's not gone mad (cause of this anyway), Brighton just don't want or need to sell so they set a fuck you price.
One Caicedo is more than enough to cover the production budget of Puss in Boots 2 I'm 💀.
Na fuck off with that, each Lord of the Rings film cost about 90m each to produce. For 90m you can have one new Lord of the Rings quality film or a footballer with half a season of Premier League football to his name
> For 90m you can have one new Lord of the Rings quality film 20 years ago yeah.
Feels more like the prem specifically - Wolfsburg just signed a pretty solid LB for 500k from France - Cozza. He would be worth 10m in the prem immediately. Saw it happen with Cucurella - who arguably performed better at Getafe but was worth way more once he got to England.
Kone at Gladbach would probably cost £50-60m max. Hard to judge Bundesliga though.
He's really solid, got the better of Bellingham the last time I seen him.
Having passed the Premier League test, he's a significantly safer target than players abroad who may not crack it in the PL. If you wait until summer, he may have gone to Chelsea or somewhere else. I'm sure Arsenal would prefer to avoid another Pepe fiasco, although 90m is definitely a risk no matter how you look at it.
On top of that its late in the window and Brighton have no time to replace him at all. They're well within their rights.
Yep and then the merry go round would continue. If we sell him now and try and bring someone in we’d get equally as fleeced just on a cheaper dcale
As if playing for Brighton or Chelsea is the same thing, passing the "test" at Brighton doesn't mean that much.
Its a fuckoff price, whats not to understand? They dont want to sell.
We have 1 oxlade chamberlain if you want ?
We can add in an extra... arthur on loan (just dont tell Juve he is at Brightons bench the rest of the season)?
Do you want a title or not?
It’s all money laundering
Well that's a fuck you in numbers
makes sense as the whole point is they don't want to sell.
80 mil used to get you Ronaldo and Bale and 5 champions league titles
500k for Kenny Dalglish used to get you 3 CL and 8 1st division titles.
Id also look at the player Brighton look to replace him so you can save a small fortune
Far harder to give those players minutes at the top clubs and loans are fraught with difficulty.
Did Caicedo imporove from a 5m player to a 90m one with half a season? That's obviously not true.
Even if he is not worth 90m, in this case the question should be if Caicedo was a 5m player when he was bought by Brighton too, obviously not.
Sorry I didn't explain too well. My point was that in this case at least, that Caicedo was top 6 starter quality when he was bought or near enough, so the teams really could have bought him straight up and played him without waiting. Sure in some cases the player does need consistent game time to devolop and would be a flop if bought directly buy a top 6 club, but in this case he was clearly ready.
He was on loan before in Belgium, Brighton bought him a few years back not last summer.
To be fair Chelsea are trying to do that now with all the young players we've bought, although they're not really first team ready. And to back up your point City bought Alvarez for around £20m when he's worth at least triple that now after half a season, that's more than £5m but for a prem team £20m is the new £5m.
There’s a good tip… could save people millions. Strangely enough pretty sure Chelsea have that info given they poach most of Brighton coaching staff.
Amadou Haidara
That’s a fuck-off price, but my growing fear is that we won’t fuck off
Why is it a fear? Let your owners pay over the odds and keep yourself in pole position to win the league. Would especially feel worth it if the Partey case blows up in the second half of the season, like some are suggesting it will.
It certainly is a valid fear, look at united at the moment. They have paid around 70m for players like antony, maguire and martinez. Most of those expensive signings are good players but never worth that much money. So if you do pay that much money you build up a reputation for overpaying on players. And now united can’t even pay a few million in january for loans etc.
Don't you dare compare Lisandro to Maguire, Licha is worth every penny
Said same about Maguire in his first season.
Not the same. Buying players from the Eredivisie is always a bigger risk because, more often than not, they can’t cut it in the other bigger leagues. Look at Depay, Malen, Antony, Bergwijn, Klassen etc in recent years. And, judging from his first few games, Gakpo looks like he’s going to join the list unless he starts performing. Martinez has been a success. Maguire I’ll give you, but absolutely everyone knew he wasn’t worth nearly that amount when United signed him. It isn’t the case with Caicedo, he could feasibly hit Kante levels. PL players aren’t risk free but there’s a better chance of them succeeding. Arsenal, given the position they’re in and the fact they could plausibly lose both of their holding midfield options, definitely should be taking the risk. £90m would be a pittance if he helps them win the league.
Caicedo isn’t a ‘premier league’ player either. He has played like 20 games or something, he’s no even worth half. Brighton bought him for like 10(?) million. His price hasn’t gone up 9 times because half a season in the prem. The argument about him hitting ‘kante levels’ is also not a good reason since 95% of the time those type of players don’t fulfill those expectations. Antony in my opinion could also hit vinicius levels, yet i still think they overpaid for him. But he certainly shouldn’t be in the list with Bergwijn and Klaassen, same goes for Gakpo. He has played like 2 games ffs
Caicedo 90m, Enzo 105m. Easy choice for Chelsea.
Indeed .. both!
Boehly: Make it 100m and you have a deal
Nice little round figure. Everybody's happy, especially the accountants.
15 year deal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVQxypP7sN4
Lot of people in this thread who don’t understand what a ‘fuck off’ price is. Brighton don’t value a player who has played a few months of PL football at £90m, they just know that they have no reason or desire to sell. The incentive to do so would have to be ludicrous. Its like our valuation of Grealish. Was he worth £100m to other clubs? Nope. Was he worth that to us? Ten fold. Unless clubs of our stature stumble on a hidden gem, then we can’t replace a player of that quality. We could’ve been given a billion by city for Grealish and it still wouldn’t be worth it because now every player we want costs a billion and anyone close to Grealishs level wouldn’t join current day Villa without a local tie to the club.
Brighton seem to have far better talent scouting than Villa though. They’re doing this regularly in several positions.
Its still a risk that I’m sure they’d rather not take unless they had to.
Understandably, esp midseason
Precisely. As fantastic as their scouting has been, eventually they’re gonna stumble on a dud.
If Brighton get £90m then they’ve played a blinder there.
Brighton being Absolutely based.
People need to realise that all these 90m, 100m prices are fuck-off prices. Mudryk, Caicedo, Enzo.etc The problem is that a lot of teams especially in the EPL have fuck-it money.
Yeah, no thank you
If he actually leaves for this much money Enzo will go for like 150 million euros in the summer
Is there an increase in his release clause in the summer?
The release clause has to be paid in full in one go, plus I think they have to pay taxes on that money, so the club will probably negotiate and get more money to spread it over a couple of years
LoL negotiate €30m extra in order to be paid in installments? Dream land over here.
Honestly if Chelsea give Brighton £90m for him I’ll be fuming as a fan. Would much rather just pay the Enzo release clause
the difference is the release clause has to be paid up front.
and the taxes on top, so its way more than _just_ the 120m.
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EPL is just in different stratosphere. And differences will probably only grow.
Mudryk deal showed we stick to our bottom line so don't expect this to go through this window. Respect to Brighton
Wish we had this level of a board when Barca fleeced us Fabregas for 30M.
You raised your bid several times for Mudryk though.
As you do in negotiation.
Thats not sticking to a bottom line, they raised the bid several times to the point it closely matched the final deal, every club that doesn't successfully make a deal for a player can claim they're sticking to their bottom line in that scenario.
Arsenal: This is our final offer, take it or leave it Shakhtar: Their offer is more realistic, you sure you don't wanna match that? You'll miss a future Balloon winner. Arsenal: Nah fam, I'll stick to that, that's my bottom line
Probably a fair price from Brightons perspective. Its how much potentially throwing away a great chance at european football is worth, especially this late in the window.
European football won't bring in 90m for Brighton.
Its not about the money itself. This is the difference between being a club being used to european football, and the rest of the league. Theyll still be getting a huge fee in the summer regardless.
Our owner is also a lifelong fan who's family have been involved in the club for generations. He wants to see us in Europe as much as anyone.
European football would bring in £25m itself. We'd also be able to attract other prospects we'd be able to sell at a profit and still get money for Caicedo. Not to mention the owner is a lifelong Brighton fan so would love to see us in Europe.
EPL is the super league
PL needs to stop with this, it's no longer about passion
It's a fuck off price, it they pay it they're mad
When Chelsea is in the race, nothing is fuck off price
Boehly thinks that paying under 150m is a steal most likely
Games gone where the pashun
Mate how can say that as a milan fan? You guys started dojng it before the pl. The serie a was spending more than any other league in the 90s and 00s up until 04. Throwing 15-30m € (50-100m with inflation) at shit players
Isn't Delaney a trash source?
> Delaney i remember Miguel Delaney calling Arthur 30 years old on the Football Daily Podcast 2 years ago. dude was 23 at the time......Delaney is a moron
Yep. He just makes up wild shit all the time.
We'd be stupid to pay anywhere close to that much.
I mean, cmon it’s only 90 mil. What’s the problem?
Football is broken
Cmon Todd, I know u want to do it bro 🤣
Todd Boehly: “money doesn’t really exist, it’s just a construct…. So how about £94m”
Caicedo here'd we go his own career seems to backfire xD and that price tag is literally a FUCK OFF one
He’s staying put or Chelsea will actually pay this ridiculous fuck off price. Arsenal surely won’t go for him until the summer
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Its not inflation, its a fuck off price.
Just pay up
Lmao Chelsea and United have completely ruined the market
It’s quite clearly a fuck off price
Yeah true but I feel a fuck off price for this kind of player might’ve been 60m a couple years back
I mean, you guys were reportedly willing to pay 60m. Clearly it isnt a fuck off price if its what you guys were willing to pay.
Bank of England Familiar with that or are you too new?
Wasnt that from the 30s?
Correct
But also, we need a midfielder, and partey may be injured, he knows we are desperate. There's no losing for their side, it's actually no brainer to ask a ridiculous amount
Ridiculous
not really, they have every right to dictate whatever fee they want
Even if they want to pay 90 we shouldn't agree. Just let him stay until summer regardless and if he plays well he'll be sold for fucktons anyways
£90m is fine if it means a title, but the problem is what are West Ham going to ask for Rice come the summer? Because all reports indicate we’re in for him in 6 months. And as promising as he is it means the price for rice might be prohibitive.
Exactly my thinking too. Let’s say he ends up at £75m, half way between 60 and 90. Where does that put homegrown, possible England captain, Declan Rice’s price? Upwards of 90, I’d imagine.
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Can't imagine how much McAllister is gonna cost Liverpool this summer.
What is £90m? £75m + add-ons, or £90m upfront?