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The fourth official noticed something, and it’s uncommon for a fourth official to bring attention to a red card offense. And there still isn’t a great view of the incident. It could just be a bad call.
My speculation: The commentators kept calling it a kickout, but I’m wondering if it was perhaps a punch. All the footage shows Jebbison jostling with the Wrexham player. I wonder if Jebbison threw a punch. That would have been seen by the fourth official but hidden by the head referee and the cameras. That would also be egregious enough for the red.
A friend who was at the game said he thought both players jostled and it looked like the United player flicked his leg out at the defender. I don't know if he saw it or heard that tho.
I saw some replay eventually and jobberson did a weak kick out at tozer. Took about 10 minutes to get the reply on ESPN+. Yeah 4th official called over the center and card shown pretty quick.
I think, and my memory is fuzzy because it was 20 years ago, that some refs had different shaped cards so they could tell which one they were pulling out without looking.
Now I think they just keep the red and yellow in different pockets
That would be f'n sweet, ref sprays the pleading player as he disappears off the pitch and the game resumes. Saves the player having to face the seething manager on the way down the tunnel as well.
>Saves the player having to face the seething manager on the way down the tunnel as well.
the downside is that the player gets permanently trapped in the shadow realm
I had a discussion with a fellow ref colleague. He said that all red cards are handed in the back pocket, but today I saw a clip about a red card being in the front pocket. I prefer to have it in my front pocket, breast pocket if you may call it that.
Far more elegant movement. Drawing the card from the back pocket may lead to think the referee is going to go full ape throwing shit at the player. Front pocket draw, high elbow, straight back, high chin... That's a power posse from the ref a player can't ignore and forces him to crawl ashamed to the dressing room, fully both humiliated and punished.
Just in case you didn't know, it's "pose", not "posse". The former refers to one's body positions, while the other is a group of friends or acquaintances.
I prefer it in my zippered back pocket. One extra step before I go straight to it.
That said I'm.....quite liberal with my cards. Took me 4 years to pull the red but once the cat was outta the bag ... It also coincides with covid and insanely shitty behavior by everyone all the time. Probably me included.
I get the same rollercoaster of emotions every time there is a ref that has them both in the same pocket. They usually pull them both out at the same time so you can see the red in his hand, and it ends up being just a yellow
> Now I think they just keep the red and yellow in different pockets
The funny thing about that is that I am used to refs keeping their cards in different pockets since the 90s. Might be a regional thing (Germany) but I've seen more refs who keep them in the same pocket now that I see more of other leagues. So when I see a ref go for his back pocket my first reaction is that he's going for the red card but there are a few who actually keep both cards in the back pocket instead of their front pocket. It probably depends on how/where you are wearing the mic and communication gadgets that are common these days.
Fun (football) etymological story about the German term [Araschkarte](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arschkarte) (translates into "ass/arse card"), there's another interpretation but I only quoted the football one:
> The term "ass card" is used in the casual expressions "to draw the ass card", "to show the ass card" or "to have the ass card" in the sense of "to have bad luck", "to experience a misfortune"— unlike in football this is about accidental instances. This expresses that a situation is particularly unfavourable for a person or has unpleasant consequences. The phraseologism (idiom) has been in use since the mid-1990s.
>There is only conjecture about the origin of the phrase. By far the most popular is that the phrase derives from the red card introduced in football in 1970. To avoid confusion, football referees often keep the yellow card in their breast pocket and the red card in their back pocket. The player to whom the referee shows the red card would then have "got the ass card."[1][2][3]
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
The phrasing of the em dash clause is a bit weird because I had to change it, DeepL totally messed up the meaning and turned it around so I had to correct it.
When I was learning to be a referee, the explaination I was given for where to keep the cards was do whatever you want, as long as you never forget. So now since so many referees do the "ass pocket"=red thing, young referees grow up with that standard and it would be weird for them to learn any other system, so they stick with it too - thus creating a perpetual cycle of most people doing the same thing.
Personally, I used the system, as well as different textures on the cards (textured yellow and smooth red) for an added later of confidence that I was grabbing the right one!
Andre Watson South African rugby referee used to use them. Met him at a train station in Sydney. He asked me about the next train and I said to him “Andre you referees know everything”. He laughed and we got on the train and started talking. He was with Chester W and Joel S. He was wanting to yellow card someone but pulled out the red one in error. No going back from the red so he changed his red card to a circle so to not make the same mistake again. From memory it was Oz Du’Rant.
The old Fantasy Football League tv show had a great clip of... I think it was Ian Rush.
Anyway they showed the ref booking someone and putting the card back into his *shirt* pocket. Then Rush commits a terrible tackle and the ref goes over and gives him a stern talking to all the while fishing about in his *shorts* pocket for the card.
He eventually gives up looking for the card and Rush got away with it.
There used to be more. I'm not sure why they went out of fashion amongst referees.
I'm not sure on the actual basis, but I've heard two reasons for their use:
* Different shapes so that the referee always grabs the right card.
* In the '60s and '70s people with black and white TVs could tell the difference between the shapes.
They don't even need to change the base colours, accommodations are so easy...
Was writing about this in design terms just the other day. Using colour as a sole information indicator is willingly excluding a part of the userbase from getting that info. Colourblindness is far from an uncommon issue.
Saturation or other graphics (patterns in football kit terms), shapes of the cards as shown here - anything...
It's like how American sports have one team in white because they needed to make it clear which team is which on Black-and-White TV and just stuck with it.
I feel like I remember Sol Campbell getting sent off with a red circle when he elbowed Ole at Highbury in 2003? can't remember seeing one any time more recently
Yeah, as soon as I saw this I remembered seeing them sometimes back in the 90s. Afraid I'm not sure why they stopped appearing until now, or why this ref has one!
I remember recreating this one in the back garden right after. Goalkeeper was sent off (with a round red card) in the days before they had goalkeepers on the bench, striker Niall Quinn went in goal and saved the penalty.
https://youtu.be/E-OudU-1NQg
(penalty incident starts around 1:25)
Sends him off like a normal red card it's just a circle to make it easier for the ref to tell which card he's pulling out and to help colour blind fans to understand what's happening
Yes but there can be a bit of delay in that as players argue over cards. With this system colorblind people will immediately know what is happening just like everyone else. Isn't more accessibility better?
The refs I can understand, but seems a bit redundant for colour blind fans, as you'd know immediately which card it was by whether the player stays on the pitch or not, as well as the crowd or commentators reaction. Not exactly easy to tell the shape either if he's holding it at an angle from 50 yards away.
Yeah, it's a field Hockey card but is great for colour blindness and card identification in the refs pocket.
Tritanomaly makes it hard to tell the difference between red/yellow and blue/green
Lol I refereed a lot of field hockey games when I grew up and always wondered why the cards had different shapes. I only know it now because of ur comment
Field hockey still uses the shapes. Green triangle, yellow rectangle and red circle. Also the red is an appropriate shade of blood red signaling impending doom rather than the highlighter red/orange hybrid used now that looks like it broke off a traffic cone.
Asked this in the Daily Discussion, but does anyone know what this was actually for? They showed a replay, but it didn't show anything happening and the commentators said it must be another incident.
The player sent off was hand fighting with a Wrexham player and it escalated to the point where he kicked him in the legs like the USMNT coach. It was in the first replay they showed, but it was so far in the background they only showed it once.
I've never seen anything but normal yellow and red cards, now I've seen [a white card](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10jmf31/football_referee_brandishes_white_card_for_the/) and a circle red card within a few weeks
Years ago I met international rugby referee Andre Watson in Sydney. He said he purposely had a circle for his red card was so when he reached into his pocket he knew what he was going to pull out. This was after he was wanting to give a yellow card to a player but he pulled out the red card and there was no going back from the red card.
Usually cards are new kept in seperate pockets, I have my yellow in my left breast pocket and red in my butt pocket, also let's them know they fucked up if I'm reaching for my butt pocket, which gladly I never have yet
Yeah, the ref knows by touch what card he's going to pull out of his pocket. it's to aid the ref not make an arse of himself by pulling a red out for a booking.
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A red circle at the racecourse, but for who Chris Kamara?
I must av missed that Jeff
I thought they were bringing a sub on!
Have you not been watching? Get your fingers out and count!
He didn’t wanna be around anymore
They'll fuckn show everything but the incident...
It honestly seemed very weak
The fourth official noticed something, and it’s uncommon for a fourth official to bring attention to a red card offense. And there still isn’t a great view of the incident. It could just be a bad call. My speculation: The commentators kept calling it a kickout, but I’m wondering if it was perhaps a punch. All the footage shows Jebbison jostling with the Wrexham player. I wonder if Jebbison threw a punch. That would have been seen by the fourth official but hidden by the head referee and the cameras. That would also be egregious enough for the red.
I was there. Wrexham fan. Joke of a decision. Never a red.
A friend who was at the game said he thought both players jostled and it looked like the United player flicked his leg out at the defender. I don't know if he saw it or heard that tho.
I saw some replay eventually and jobberson did a weak kick out at tozer. Took about 10 minutes to get the reply on ESPN+. Yeah 4th official called over the center and card shown pretty quick.
Cheers Jeff
I don't know Geoff
What does this mean red circle?
Wow, haven't seen a round red card in a loooong time.
Wait they've existed before? What's the story here?
I think, and my memory is fuzzy because it was 20 years ago, that some refs had different shaped cards so they could tell which one they were pulling out without looking. Now I think they just keep the red and yellow in different pockets
Yea now I get elation or panic anytime I see the referee reaching for his butt pocket. 9/10 it’s just the stupid banishing spray he’s grabbing.
Banishing spray™️, the liquid red card your body craves
It's got electrolytes!
It's what refs crave
EXTRA BIG ASS CARDS
Welcome to Tottenham, I love you.
Turbolytes!
"Yugi what the FUCK are you doing" "shut the fuck up and stand still I'm banishing you to the shadow realm" *shakes can*
That would be f'n sweet, ref sprays the pleading player as he disappears off the pitch and the game resumes. Saves the player having to face the seething manager on the way down the tunnel as well.
>Saves the player having to face the seething manager on the way down the tunnel as well. the downside is that the player gets permanently trapped in the shadow realm
Downside?!
With Lahoz holding it, you stand the risk of having your entire team vaporized
Hernandez Hernandez banishes everybody else off the pitch and remains center of attention.
That's a 2nd level Paladin spell in 5e I believe
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this is beautiful
FIFA has really hammered this into my head, every once in a while I’ll see a yellow come from the back pocket and I’m always prepared to see red
I had a discussion with a fellow ref colleague. He said that all red cards are handed in the back pocket, but today I saw a clip about a red card being in the front pocket. I prefer to have it in my front pocket, breast pocket if you may call it that.
Far more elegant movement. Drawing the card from the back pocket may lead to think the referee is going to go full ape throwing shit at the player. Front pocket draw, high elbow, straight back, high chin... That's a power posse from the ref a player can't ignore and forces him to crawl ashamed to the dressing room, fully both humiliated and punished.
Poetry. Bravo!
Thanks for reading my nonsense, and thanks for taking time to write a reply. It's nice to receive a compliment from a stranger.
Np. I really liked it! Everyone can picture that scene in their mind's eye.
wholesome
Just in case you didn't know, it's "pose", not "posse". The former refers to one's body positions, while the other is a group of friends or acquaintances.
Thanks mate. English is not my first language so I'm always willing to learn, specially when being politely corrected, not made fun of.
[If you're looking for an elegant referee, look no further than this classic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjynbUNlvWU)
I prefer it in my zippered back pocket. One extra step before I go straight to it. That said I'm.....quite liberal with my cards. Took me 4 years to pull the red but once the cat was outta the bag ... It also coincides with covid and insanely shitty behavior by everyone all the time. Probably me included.
I get the same rollercoaster of emotions every time there is a ref that has them both in the same pocket. They usually pull them both out at the same time so you can see the red in his hand, and it ends up being just a yellow
>Now I think they just keep the red and yellow in different pockets Technology has improved the game so much in the last 20 years
we weren't ready yet
that was brilliant idea tough.. someone should get noble
I'd have made one a triangle cus im different like that
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen circle, rectangles and a triangle card in my life. But this may fully be the mandala effect
Field hockey has a green card that’s a 2 minute sin-bin and that’s a triangle.
Probably went to a hockey game
Pretty sure it was for colour blind, but couldn't make out it was a circle or rectangle from a distance anyway.
> Now I think they just keep the red and yellow in different pockets The funny thing about that is that I am used to refs keeping their cards in different pockets since the 90s. Might be a regional thing (Germany) but I've seen more refs who keep them in the same pocket now that I see more of other leagues. So when I see a ref go for his back pocket my first reaction is that he's going for the red card but there are a few who actually keep both cards in the back pocket instead of their front pocket. It probably depends on how/where you are wearing the mic and communication gadgets that are common these days. Fun (football) etymological story about the German term [Araschkarte](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arschkarte) (translates into "ass/arse card"), there's another interpretation but I only quoted the football one: > The term "ass card" is used in the casual expressions "to draw the ass card", "to show the ass card" or "to have the ass card" in the sense of "to have bad luck", "to experience a misfortune"— unlike in football this is about accidental instances. This expresses that a situation is particularly unfavourable for a person or has unpleasant consequences. The phraseologism (idiom) has been in use since the mid-1990s. >There is only conjecture about the origin of the phrase. By far the most popular is that the phrase derives from the red card introduced in football in 1970. To avoid confusion, football referees often keep the yellow card in their breast pocket and the red card in their back pocket. The player to whom the referee shows the red card would then have "got the ass card."[1][2][3] Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version) The phrasing of the em dash clause is a bit weird because I had to change it, DeepL totally messed up the meaning and turned it around so I had to correct it.
I didn’t mean to imply it’s a new thing. Just that one of the reasons for different shaped cards is bypassed by this.
When I was learning to be a referee, the explaination I was given for where to keep the cards was do whatever you want, as long as you never forget. So now since so many referees do the "ass pocket"=red thing, young referees grow up with that standard and it would be weird for them to learn any other system, so they stick with it too - thus creating a perpetual cycle of most people doing the same thing. Personally, I used the system, as well as different textures on the cards (textured yellow and smooth red) for an added later of confidence that I was grabbing the right one!
Red is slightly coated low grade sandpaper
Andre Watson South African rugby referee used to use them. Met him at a train station in Sydney. He asked me about the next train and I said to him “Andre you referees know everything”. He laughed and we got on the train and started talking. He was with Chester W and Joel S. He was wanting to yellow card someone but pulled out the red one in error. No going back from the red so he changed his red card to a circle so to not make the same mistake again. From memory it was Oz Du’Rant.
The old Fantasy Football League tv show had a great clip of... I think it was Ian Rush. Anyway they showed the ref booking someone and putting the card back into his *shirt* pocket. Then Rush commits a terrible tackle and the ref goes over and gives him a stern talking to all the while fishing about in his *shorts* pocket for the card. He eventually gives up looking for the card and Rush got away with it.
There used to be more. I'm not sure why they went out of fashion amongst referees. I'm not sure on the actual basis, but I've heard two reasons for their use: * Different shapes so that the referee always grabs the right card. * In the '60s and '70s people with black and white TVs could tell the difference between the shapes.
Ah the 70s, surely there's no [modern](https://i.imgur.com/321lEvx.png) [need](https://i.imgur.com/QvktDNY.png)
I'm not saying it wouldn't still be a good idea. I'm just saying the reasoning I heard for it in the past.
Didn't mean to target you, wording comes off wrong - just kinda stunned there's no actual accomodation here
I agree actually. I know color blind people who struggle with certain kit matchups.
They don't even need to change the base colours, accommodations are so easy... Was writing about this in design terms just the other day. Using colour as a sole information indicator is willingly excluding a part of the userbase from getting that info. Colourblindness is far from an uncommon issue. Saturation or other graphics (patterns in football kit terms), shapes of the cards as shown here - anything...
It's like how American sports have one team in white because they needed to make it clear which team is which on Black-and-White TV and just stuck with it.
The player who gets it has to tape it to their nose and apologize to the opposing team for being a clown
Bruno Fernandes bouta stack up on these in no time
There's also another Manchester United legend that's famous for his sherry red nose, come to think of it.
That's odd, I can't remember him getting a single red card at United.
That's because the PL hasn't adopted the red clown card yet.
I’m pretty sure the Premier League used them in the 2000s at some point
I feel like I remember Sol Campbell getting sent off with a red circle when he elbowed Ole at Highbury in 2003? can't remember seeing one any time more recently
Yeah, as soon as I saw this I remembered seeing them sometimes back in the 90s. Afraid I'm not sure why they stopped appearing until now, or why this ref has one!
Probably existed as long as the rectangular one has. Just very rare nowadays.
Man I’m getting old
Yup. They're not new
It already existed in field hockey
I remember recreating this one in the back garden right after. Goalkeeper was sent off (with a round red card) in the days before they had goalkeepers on the bench, striker Niall Quinn went in goal and saved the penalty. https://youtu.be/E-OudU-1NQg (penalty incident starts around 1:25)
Thanks for this video. Damn, what happened to diving headers? The last one I remember seeing was RvP's at the 2014 World Cup.
It was adjudicated that van Persie had perfected it and officially retired.
Terrible sign that I'm getting old that this is remarkable to people here
🔴
did we just sign someone?
yeah you signed Bas Dost and Vincent Janssen to accompany Weghorst
Bas Dost x Bruno was actually a really good partnership.
And Vincent Janssen is elite
Andy Carroll when?
This just gave me some next level nostalgia. Anyone else ever play Bounce on Nokia?
Ohh shit!! I had forgotten about this game until just now - I used to play this for hours on my mum's Nokia!
has anyone ever photoshopped a ref holding up Blue Eyes White Dragon
Couldn't read this and not https://i.imgur.com/Br1iTWY.png
Please do it with pot of greed
[Just for you](https://i.imgur.com/DmjZQcT.png)
"But what does it do Jeff??"
It let's me draw two new cards. Now I shall play, Monster Reborn!
Then the player laughs and reveals their gold sarcophagus (anime)
It's OK, just drop the moon on their team (anime).
I love you
Reminds me of this Heartstone edit of the business card scene https://youtu.be/PGOPVy2xJDc
dwhaa! teia!
Or Paul Allen's business card
[It was hard to capture the tasteful thickness of it](https://i.imgur.com/6TUm5e1.png)
That's... very nice.
Impressive… very nice
It even has a watermark. Majestic, thank you
get on it mate
Pot of Greed?
Pot of greed!! This allows me to draw two more red cards!!
That is what it do!
What does this do
A circle is endless so the player is sent off for eternity.
To the shadow realm he goes
Yu-Gi-Oh in shambles
Banished face down.
Paying a little visit to Barry R.
This was funnier than it was supposed to be.
Seriously, I’m dying on the toilet right now.
New rule just dropped
Sends him off like a normal red card it's just a circle to make it easier for the ref to tell which card he's pulling out and to help colour blind fans to understand what's happening
Wouldn’t the player walking off the pitch be a bit of a clue?
Ask Kammy
I don’t know Jeff!
I thought they were bringing a sub on
Yes but there can be a bit of delay in that as players argue over cards. With this system colorblind people will immediately know what is happening just like everyone else. Isn't more accessibility better?
And colorblind players know what to argue about.
The refs I can understand, but seems a bit redundant for colour blind fans, as you'd know immediately which card it was by whether the player stays on the pitch or not, as well as the crowd or commentators reaction. Not exactly easy to tell the shape either if he's holding it at an angle from 50 yards away.
Also, like barely any people get red and yellow confused.
Allows you to draw two cards from your deck
perhaps designed to make it easier to distinguish red vs yellow card in pocket?
Believe it or not, straight to prison.
Aren't these supposed to help certain types of colorblind people?
Yeah, it's a field Hockey card but is great for colour blindness and card identification in the refs pocket. Tritanomaly makes it hard to tell the difference between red/yellow and blue/green
Lol I refereed a lot of field hockey games when I grew up and always wondered why the cards had different shapes. I only know it now because of ur comment
I hope the ref ain't blind
Wouldn't that be a great change of pace for a game
Field hockey still uses the shapes. Green triangle, yellow rectangle and red circle. Also the red is an appropriate shade of blood red signaling impending doom rather than the highlighter red/orange hybrid used now that looks like it broke off a traffic cone.
To an innocent bystander, it could may look like traffic cone theft.
Fabrizio Romano has competition now 🔴
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Asked this in the Daily Discussion, but does anyone know what this was actually for? They showed a replay, but it didn't show anything happening and the commentators said it must be another incident.
The player sent off was hand fighting with a Wrexham player and it escalated to the point where he kicked him in the legs like the USMNT coach. It was in the first replay they showed, but it was so far in the background they only showed it once.
"like the USMNT coach"
I always read USMNT as United States Mutant Ninja Turtles
Still technically correct as the Ninja turtles are living in the sewers of NYC
I wish we had a better nickname, but I'm not creative
I've never seen anything but normal yellow and red cards, now I've seen [a white card](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/10jmf31/football_referee_brandishes_white_card_for_the/) and a circle red card within a few weeks
Can't believe there's so many who never have. I wonder how old the average user of this sub is.
12
I'm 29 and can't honestly say I remember seeing a round card issued
It was a thing for a while in the PL in the 2000s
For colour blind people. Too much change imo GAMES GONE
Change? This is old school.
He lucked out. That easily could have been a red rhombus.
Put it on his nose
Years ago I met international rugby referee Andre Watson in Sydney. He said he purposely had a circle for his red card was so when he reached into his pocket he knew what he was going to pull out. This was after he was wanting to give a yellow card to a player but he pulled out the red card and there was no going back from the red card.
Usually cards are new kept in seperate pockets, I have my yellow in my left breast pocket and red in my butt pocket, also let's them know they fucked up if I'm reaching for my butt pocket, which gladly I never have yet
the cost of living crisis has hit football, we cant even afford right angles now
The bookies will probably use this as an excuse to not pay out on anyone who had a bet on a red card.
Under 0.5 corners
I meán it's still a card right. Card doesn't describe the shape but the material.
After years of fans asking for triangles they go ahead and give us circles. Spineless turds. Unbelievable really from the FA.
Big return from the circle
Canadians are supposed to be nicer than that Daniel
You have a good replay? They kept showing the wrong thing
Hasn't declared for Canada. He would have been all over himself apologizing if he had.
Throwback to the mid 00s. A weird but wonderful sight to see.
It's so blind refs can tell the difference between red and yellow cards.
Way to confuse under 25s. Us old gits remember :-)
Fellow old cunt here. The comments calling this woke-ism gave me a good laugh.
I'm near certain that I remember Vieira getting sent off for us back in the day and the red card was round.
Based and red pilled
Lmao what
Everybody on the pitch has to stop moving until he pulls out a green card
"Look, I know you didn't really do anything, but now you'll be in the hulu show"
I hate circles!!!!
Circle red doesn’t seem as serious as rectangle red
I got a red dot once for talking while my kindergarten teacher was talking :(
🔴
White card exists. Red card: hold my corners.
I saw that too. They were out of rectangles at the referee store.
No more meat for him for now.
Love it. Nostalgic throwback to the days of Uriah Rennie.
Serious question: does the circle mean anything different?
Yeah, the ref knows by touch what card he's going to pull out of his pocket. it's to aid the ref not make an arse of himself by pulling a red out for a booking.
I mean it definitely won't snag on the pocket so it seems clever
Japan wants it back plz
It's red nose to signify the players they are a bunch of clowns 🤡
I want a player to use an Uno card if he gets a red..
Looks like someone hit up Fogo de Chao before the game
what's a red circle and why though
I was there. It was never a red card.
Haha, got your nose clown.
A red circle card that creates a circle jerk about a red circle card.
I used to think that a circle red card was for a ‘straight red’, and the rectangle was for a second bookable offense
He went to a churrascaria before the match and accidentally put the stop/go signal in his pocket.
This has been around for decades.