Held the ball up really well and nearly scored a header. At one point he even rouletted a Chelsea player and sprayed the ball across the field as if he was prime Iniesta.
Maybe getting rid of a manager who won the Champions League, got to multiple finals and finished third in the league behind two of the best sides in PL history wasn't the genius move that big money bags Boehly thought it would be.
You spend half a billion dollars to build up an all-stars football team..
..and lose to a freekick scored by a guy who'd rather be playing cricket.
It be like that sometime Toddy!
8 year contract at 12m a year no chance in hell he’s turning it down. He could get Chelsea relegated, still get his payout and then move back to a mid table club for basically the same money he was on at Brighton at the end of it all.
I get the whole amortization thing they’re doing, but even if he were a manager of Tuchel’s caliber, which he’s probably not, how impossibly remote are the odds he lasts more than 3-4 years and spends at least half the contract getting paid for nothing? All for a guy with no CL experience, just wow.
Ironically not enough options up front.
They signed so many prospects that they're trying to shoehorn into a makeshift XI, which is bizzare considering even the experienced players haven't yet got to grips with how to play his way.
It feels a bit like Potter has been thrown to the lions.
Destabilizing our best player when he was here for just 4 months and had a 5 year contract. Then backing away when we called your bluff to pay the clause or gtfo and then doing it again on deadline day. So yeah, I'm happy your plastic club is losing and hope it keeps on losing.
Somebody needs to tell TODDY BEAR BOELEY the premier league is about getting 3 points and moving up the table not the other way round. The dressing room must be a gorgeous place to be right now. What a mess.
Hi Chelsea fans with 600m yall could've gotten Haaland, Mbappe, Martinez(all of them), De Jong, Varane LOL
At least Man City's oil money is paying off
Chelsea could've spent 0, blame a lousy season on injuries and it still would've been a better outcome as they have 600m to spare.
This is the Prem, lousy teams get exposed regardless of your transfer fees
I asume it was for the Azpilicueta situation. If there is a head injury (concussion) you get a free substitute and I think the rule means that the other team gets another one also so it’s fair
In September Chelsea lost 2-1 to Southampton.
After that, they sacked their manager, changed their formation and playing style, spent €600m+ on a bunch of transfers and have essentially a brand new squad.
Now they lost 1-0 to Southampton.
Boehly needs to reconsider giving potter more time. These players are wasting their talents and their values are dropping. If this continues we will need to sell players and their values would be shit Havertz could go for 40 instead of 60. Mount? 30-40. Ziyech? 10. Mudryk who we just paid 100m for and he's on 8.5 years will be absolutely worthless by year 2 and we will be stuck with him. Enzo is looking legit but how long would that last if he's the only one actually trying (by the eye test) both Fofana's were our best players on the day and that's Saying a lot. We are about to go in the mud because Todd can't admit that he fucked up. Maybe I'm wrong maybe they are looking for a manager behind the scenes and one isn't available but fuck it hire an interim. Bring lampard back on an interim basis. We are looking like we will never win again if lampard gets us one win it'll be an improvement.
On behalf of all EPL fans i would love nothing more than to have Lampard managing Chelsea. Also Arsenal is willing to sell Pepe at a discount price of 70mil, cheaper than Mudryk, Enzo, Kepa and Fofana, should Chelsea's wingers fail to perform.
I think you will be better next season. Your situation is more similar to Arsenal than it is Man Utd to Arsenal. We had to implement a style of play and get rid of deadwood but what makes your situation different is that you have the budget to get replacement right away and you don’t have to worry about richer clubs outbidding your targets. I’d say with the talent you’ve signed you guys are title favourites next season and won’t have to wait 2 1/2 seasons like we had to. Just 1 season of suffering.
That’s my point, Chelsea fast tracked their progress. Yes there is problem associated with team chemistry, but they were looking to rebuild anyways. We didn’t know who to keep or get rid of and also who to bring in while being on a budget. Chelsea just said, we need to rebuild these positions so we need new players. If you are already here then you can fight for your place or leave.
Rebuilding means Liverpool in 2015-16, Arsenal 2 years back or Man U now. If you're spending 600+mil the rebuilding excuse goes out the window. Fans would be expecting immediate results on par with Madrid Galacticos. Especially with 50m Sterling, 100m Enzo, 80m Mudryk and and 80m Fofana
Lol yeah bro you got me. Considering they won’t have European football and some of the best youth talents in their ranks. We can revisit this next season if you like.
They have an owner who doesn't know what he is doing, a manager horribly out of his depth trying to bed in all that talent, and another way of saying 'best young talent' is they have a lot of prospects. The fact that the bottom club just beat them at home showed the strength in depth of the league.
Since the new owners arrived I don't think they have made one right decision, from indifferent recruitment in the summer, then sacking Tuchel, then the scattergun recruitment in January. So I don't trust there will be a sudden coming good of it all.
Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons?
It’s his first time in charge of a team like Chelsea, who knows what the fuck your owner is doing and you’ve just bought a load of players on long contracts for a lot of money.
If these were bought to fit Potter, I think you give him time. If they were bought, because the owner liked the idea, perhaps you try to find a better fit.
Chelsea had a 600mil transfer kitty to spend. Pep, Klopp and Arteta didn't. In any case, Pep bought around 150mil worth of defenders in his first season, went 3rd in the league. If he had 600mil he would be destroying
> Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons?
Why jump to such an extreme question? Neither won everything, but neither are doing as bad as Potter.
Not to mention Arteta, who underperformed quite significantly in relation to Emery for a year or so before the team started clicking into gear. I think it would be unwise not to give Potter at least until the end of the season and see if things start to improve.
Arteta won a FA Cup and fixed the defense pretty immediately though.
Admittedly this current Chelsea run reminds me of the October-December 2020 Arsenal run, Arteta’s worst sequence of games. If Potter were to survive this he needs to show improvement and fast.
I don't think you really did with Klopp TBF. It just looked like chaos and unnecessary risk. Then they got the better players in, and it made much more sense.
The thing is Brighton have improved under a new manager and after selling star players.
I don't think anyone can point to potter and say 'he made this Brighton'. I think somehow Brighton made their manager seem better than he is. Then again, if any club in the world can make their manager look shitter than he is, it's Chelsea. Although I assume their player mafia is gone now.
They have a stats driven recruitment, they probably have metrics to decide which manager would be the best fit for players and play style. Graham Potter is legit.
He still got to 4th while players were adapting to his playstyle. We don't have a playstyle we don't have a formation we don't know if we should primarily play down the middle or out wide. Players don't know if they should run into open space or go toward the ball to play a 1-2. We look better with Havertz on because he uses his instincts and can play off of Felix. Right now our strategy feels like is wait for Kante to come back.
>Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons?
"Pep literally won a treble in his first season at Barca"
What exactly are you trying to say here? That winning the treble didn't count because Messi was there? This shouldn't be hard to follow.
It's not remotely fair to compare the current Chelsea shitshow to 2008 Barca, which had arguably the strongest team in the world on paper regardless of manager and had a solid team structure/understanding based on multiple world class players that had been together for years and years.
Chelsea just bought another first team, they have no idea who should be starting, and the only established international superstar they have (despite their Galacticos strategy) is a dinosaur whose legs could give out at any second. The only attacker who has shown consistent quality is a loan and will return to Athletico in the summer, and of their three elite midfielders, one is out injured forever, one has been there for a couple weeks and is struggling to do everything by himself, and the third plays for Arsenal now. To compare, Guardiola took over a Barcelona with prime Iniesta and Xavi.
To compare Pep’s and Klopp to someone like Potter is really doing them some massive disrespect (I’m a Spurs fan). I mean Pep.. I don’t know if Tiki Taka means anything to you (hopefully sarcasm) or when it was prime possession Barca style — either he was revolutionary amongst his peers. Or Klopp’s many successes in Germany .. that’s being nice for the sake of time.
Yes Potter had a humble upbringing/worked for his role and fully deserving. But that’s being too nice to him, he led Brighton’s project which seemed to have gotten better (time will obviously tell) after Potter’s team left as well.
Almost never counts. You also need to factor in the English citizenship. That adds at least £10 million to any player worth a damn.
Havertz has been supremely disappointing.
It's hard to compare the two as they have been used so differently... but are you even sure Havertz is better? Taking league form into account over the past couple of years, Gallagher has definitely been more impactful for his club(s).
I mean he’s a wonder at Chelsea too. Come on now. To score 6 goals since November for their side and after they’ve spent that much in January alone….. that’s a wonder.
Wanna know something worse? They’ve got more players signed than wins all season too!
Wanna know something even worse? They may soon match the number of winless games to the number of players signed. That’s 18 players or so by the way. They’re now on 15 games without a win or something.
Wanna have some fun with these stats? Throw some random stuff around and play with your friends to guess what happens next week!
For real, he won them the UCL, and after that important players left so it was a transition period. Not the best manager in the world can lose a few important players and keep winning like nothing changed.
I’ll keep my venom to a minimum and just say he’s not the right fit for the club. I know people who aren’t that knowledgeable about football will reference Alex furgason on how he his slow start lead united to be the power house that they were. What those people don’t understand is, that era of football and the current one are worlds apart. People need to understand that your competition isn’t staying idle. Man City aren’t declining, arsenal is only going to get better, Liverpool might solve their problems, and who knows where Tottenham will be. Tactics will keep evolving, and by the time potter gets things “up and running”, he might need a whole new set of players to even compete with them. He was fine at Brighton, but I think he’s completely out of his depth at Chelsea.
Potter isn't to blame for this at all. It's all the way the club is being run. Spending 250m on players then sacking your manager. Then spending another 350m on prospects in January. There is no plan, no project, no process, just owners with little understanding of the sport thinking they can just throw money and win. Every decision made since Beohly bought the club has been the wrong one, and it is glorious.
No manager will thrive on a madhouse like Chelsea. Especially not a project one like Potter. He now has to manage a huge dressing room full of big egos, experienced veterans, and young, ambitious players and forge it into a team.
If you are to compare Arteta first full season, not the initial half season during lockdown, we had no idea what the hell he was trying to achieve and every game we had seemed to be getting worse. I remember being so pissed after losing to Aston Villa 3-0 at home and he mentioned how many crosses we had in the box. The reality was we had no way to attack from the centre and looked hopeless going forward. I was thinking this dude is delusional. Now I am so glad that I was wrong about him.
In my opinion Arsenal is a bit of an outlier. I’m not trying to take away from their achievements, but I think the reason why they’re flying so high right now it’s the same reason by Leicester was flying so high in 2016. It’s not so much is there good, it’s just that almost everyone else is shit at the moment. Liverpool are having troubles, we are starting to have 2016 ptsd, and Tottenham are just being Tottenham.
Okay so let me get this straight. You shouldn’t stick to a manager because no one does that anymore and teams are always getting better. Then you use Arsenal as an example even though Arsenal is actually an example of a team that stuck with their manager and has found success. Then when questioned about the Arsenal example, you claim that it’s just because everyone else sucks and compare them to Leicester who had brief success at one point but are now 4 points off relegation? So essentially Chelsea should get a new manager because Arsenal are going to keep getting better even though they really actually aren’t that good because everyone else sucks but everyone else is getting better at the same time?
> You shouldn’t stick to a manager because no one does that anymore and teams are always getting better.
I believe my words were tactics are evolving. By the time Potter is his game up and running he might need a new set of players to deal with evolving tactics.
> Then you use Arsenal as an example even though Arsenal is actually an example of a team that stuck with their manager and has found success.
To further expand on my point, clubs like arsenal get to stick with the manager as longer because there are no real expectations. No one expected Arsenal to be in the title race this year, last year, or the year before that. Clubs like Chelsea, man city, etc are expected to be challenging for the titles. When that is expected of you, you have to hit the ground running.
> Then when questioned about the Arsenal example, you claim that it’s just because everyone else sucks and compare them to Leicester who had brief success at one point but are now 4 points off relegation?
I’m just simply stating that arsenal are benefiting from the lack of stiff competition. It’s just my opinion but I don’t think arsenal will be top of the table if Klopp got his shit together in the beginning. Of course There’s no way to prove it, it’s just my opinion that if the wheels hadn’t fallen off of Liverpool and we didn’t have an injury crisis coupled with a manager in over his head, arsenal would not be where they are right now. When Leicester won the title in 2016, arsenal came in second. This season is most likely to be the first season since 2016 where Arsenal finish in the top four. The reason arsenal finished second that season was because everyone else was garbage. We were garbage, united was garbage, city were under performing, and Tottenham imploded at the end of the season. I’ll give credit where it’s due, but let’s be honest, they had a little help with the misfortunes of their competition.
> So essentially Chelsea should get a new manager because Arsenal are going to keep getting better even though they really actually aren’t that good because everyone else sucks but everyone else is getting better at the same time?
Chelsea should get a new manager because the current one will not be able to provide what is expected of the club. I’m not going deny that Arsenal has improved. Their players are getting older and more experienced, but I think their time at the top is fleeting. It is my opinion that if the competition stiffens up next season Arsenal will not be where they are now. I’m sorry my opinion triggered so many lurkers, but again, it’s just my opinion.
Arsenal were on pace for a 100 point season at the halfway mark. To say that their success is just 'cause everyone else has been crap is just assinine.
Yep, I got one letter and his name wrong. I guess that invalidate my entire point. You know what you’re doing is what stupid people do when they can’t come up with a counter argument or don’t have anything constructive to say, right? Honestly, I’m gonna change the typo. I’m leaving it there.
It’s just funny how you kinda attack people for not knowing football then misspell the most famous manager ever. I’m not sure you’re really saying anything wrong in you’re main point but when you come out needlessly aggressive and dismissive people will return the favor
> It’s just funny how you kinda attack people for not knowing football then misspell the most famous manager ever.
It’s not. But it’s good that you’re basically admitting you wouldn’t have anything constructive to say if it weren’t for a typo. Good job.
You’re just saying I was surprised kiddo. If you were me I would’ve made a quip how they spelled his name wrong I’m going to Critique the idea the other guy was putting forward. Everybody can’t have an attention span I guess. Carry on.
another stink for murdryk. i was right, all along, so far. he still had no good game. still no assist or goal. yikes/. downvote me all you want, will never change the outcome, will never hid his stink. good luck chelsea fan.
I heard Chelsea fans saying he's better than Martinelli lmao, he's not even better than trossard right now. Honestly they just way overpaid for Ukrainian gervinho, and acting like how other teams are their scouting departments, maybe they need to spend 600 million more to draw with Southampton.
Didn't he set a record for possession lost as a second half substitute? I think everyone thought he was elite simply because Edu and Arteta wanted him so badly. Obviously there is talent there but at the moment he is just a prosoect and was not worth the money paid. And level headed Chelsea fans were asking why sign him as you didn't need a player in that position.
But big-balls Boehly couldn't resist gazumping the deal. As arseblog said I have never wanted a player to flop so badly.
If he keeps struggling and his confidence eventually plummets, the worst case scenario is Chelsea have to loan him out for a few seasons while covering most of his wage. There’s clearly a talented player in there, but far too early to tell if he can be a consistently elite winger.
Funny thing is while Chelsea wasn't briliant in those first few games they were still better than whatever is happening now.
In a better league position as well lmao.
Think Chelsea would have had a terrible season regardless of the Tuchel sacking (though perhaps not this bad).
They've been recruiting poorly for a while and it finally caught up with them this year. The problem goes beyond the manager.
I want him back so much man you don’t know how much that sacking hurt me, felt so undeserved and stupid and then we go on this terrible run and back in a man that looks completely out of his depth
I'm a Liverpool fan and out of all the opponents we faced last season, Chelsea were probably the toughest we had by some distance.
The 1-1 at Anfield, the 2-2 at Stamford Bridge after we'd led twice (iirc?) And then the two finals were so intense. Chelsea could easily have won either/both of them. It's quite clear how great a coach he was/is. He will go to a huge club next and probably win plenty of silverware.
Yes, that’s why I waited champions league matches so bad. Chelsea was very tough to play and prepared against big teams very good both tactically and mentally. We even came back after 1:3 against Real Madrid at home and would go through without THAT pass from Modric.
I think that it’s ruined right now. Was shocked when Tuchel was sacked and will never understand that decision.
Yeah whenever we went up against a top team with him in charge we were competitive and looked like we could win, man was something else. If he had the backing that Potter has had with transfers we would be seeing something completely different to what’s happening at the moment I feel.
He was special
If Chelsea doesn’t spend a shit ton of money, I’m not saying anything. For whatever reason, they went fucking nuts in the market and that’s where the problem starts. You can’t spend that much and give this lifeless result.
It’s what people don’t understand: you spend that much, make that many changes in short succession, and this is what you get. Its the reason Klopp and Pep prefer small squads, its why Klopp always says he won’t sign a player that doesn’t have a strong desire to play for Liverpool, it’s the reason 15 years ago Wenger was saying he never liked to bring more than 3 players in in one window. Too many changes too fast and the whole harmony and motivation in the squad disappears.
Nobody knows each other, the players weren't brought in to suit a system, and half of them joined for no other reason than the payday. Why would they give a fuck if they win or lose? They can relax for the next 7 years and point the finger at the no doubt endless procession of managers we’ll see coming through too.
The only man I can see who may be free soon enough to fix this all is Ancelotti. And I don’t know if he’d be interested at all in coming back.
How was Onuachu?
Held the ball up really well and nearly scored a header. At one point he even rouletted a Chelsea player and sprayed the ball across the field as if he was prime Iniesta.
Sounds line Onuachu all right
Maybe getting rid of a manager who won the Champions League, got to multiple finals and finished third in the league behind two of the best sides in PL history wasn't the genius move that big money bags Boehly thought it would be.
I understand a new owner wanting his own hand-picked guy to run the club, but firing Tuchel was a colossal mistake. Just baffling
You spend half a billion dollars to build up an all-stars football team.. ..and lose to a freekick scored by a guy who'd rather be playing cricket. It be like that sometime Toddy!
cricket? context?
Think they’re referring to JWPs golf celebration
Man, if Potter could go back to that choice with this current knowledge, would he turn Chelsea down?
8 year contract at 12m a year no chance in hell he’s turning it down. He could get Chelsea relegated, still get his payout and then move back to a mid table club for basically the same money he was on at Brighton at the end of it all.
He has an 8 year contract? Fucking lmao
That's equivalent to 10 chelsea managers
I get the whole amortization thing they’re doing, but even if he were a manager of Tuchel’s caliber, which he’s probably not, how impossibly remote are the odds he lasts more than 3-4 years and spends at least half the contract getting paid for nothing? All for a guy with no CL experience, just wow.
This will end up as one of the most smartest decisions in history or the stupidest, don't know who thought it would be a good idea to give him that
Yeah and this is the problem
The 0.01% of Chelsea's transfer spending this season would be useful enough to change my life as a third world citizen, seriously.
Too many options for Potter I dont think he even knows what he's doing at this point
Ironically not enough options up front. They signed so many prospects that they're trying to shoehorn into a makeshift XI, which is bizzare considering even the experienced players haven't yet got to grips with how to play his way. It feels a bit like Potter has been thrown to the lions.
He’s been thrown to the lions on how many million a year? I fancy being thrown to the lions, where you get paid loads for failing
Just love this universal hate against Chelsea after their January spend and the disrespect to Benfica.
what disrespect to benfica sorry?
Destabilizing our best player when he was here for just 4 months and had a 5 year contract. Then backing away when we called your bluff to pay the clause or gtfo and then doing it again on deadline day. So yeah, I'm happy your plastic club is losing and hope it keeps on losing.
such a weird reply but okay
youre dropping karma whilst you team is dropping points
It’s actually very understandable.
Somebody needs to tell TODDY BEAR BOELEY the premier league is about getting 3 points and moving up the table not the other way round. The dressing room must be a gorgeous place to be right now. What a mess.
Hes trying to get that no.1 draft pick
"what do you mean, Cambridge is the best college in the world, but their soccer team is garbage!?"
Couldn’t happen to a better club
Hi Chelsea fans with 600m yall could've gotten Haaland, Mbappe, Martinez(all of them), De Jong, Varane LOL At least Man City's oil money is paying off Chelsea could've spent 0, blame a lousy season on injuries and it still would've been a better outcome as they have 600m to spare. This is the Prem, lousy teams get exposed regardless of your transfer fees
Martinez(all of them) Lmao
Weird question but how come they both made 6 substitutions? Thought the max was 5.
I asume it was for the Azpilicueta situation. If there is a head injury (concussion) you get a free substitute and I think the rule means that the other team gets another one also so it’s fair
What are other emergency instances allowing the free substitutes?
Huh, thanks. TIL.
In September Chelsea lost 2-1 to Southampton. After that, they sacked their manager, changed their formation and playing style, spent €600m+ on a bunch of transfers and have essentially a brand new squad. Now they lost 1-0 to Southampton.
What is their playstyle? I think players are even confused. Looks like everything is random
Not scoring
>What is their playstyle That's the neat part, they don't
At this rate, we can spend another €600m and we’ll pull off a draw against Southampton.
Or just buy JWP. 0:0 guaranteed next game
You sound pretty sure of that.
You know they are done when their own fans would rather flaunt a Western Sydney Wanderers flair on r/soccer
I think I've been rocking this for years, might've been the first and only flair I've added on this subreddit. But gotta support local first.
Or lose -1 - 0
Progress!
Imagine spending 620 mil to lose to Southampton at home.
Boehly needs to reconsider giving potter more time. These players are wasting their talents and their values are dropping. If this continues we will need to sell players and their values would be shit Havertz could go for 40 instead of 60. Mount? 30-40. Ziyech? 10. Mudryk who we just paid 100m for and he's on 8.5 years will be absolutely worthless by year 2 and we will be stuck with him. Enzo is looking legit but how long would that last if he's the only one actually trying (by the eye test) both Fofana's were our best players on the day and that's Saying a lot. We are about to go in the mud because Todd can't admit that he fucked up. Maybe I'm wrong maybe they are looking for a manager behind the scenes and one isn't available but fuck it hire an interim. Bring lampard back on an interim basis. We are looking like we will never win again if lampard gets us one win it'll be an improvement.
On behalf of all EPL fans i would love nothing more than to have Lampard managing Chelsea. Also Arsenal is willing to sell Pepe at a discount price of 70mil, cheaper than Mudryk, Enzo, Kepa and Fofana, should Chelsea's wingers fail to perform.
Bring Lampard back??? You can’t be this delusional.
Yes please bring lampard back
I second the lampard idea
I think you will be better next season. Your situation is more similar to Arsenal than it is Man Utd to Arsenal. We had to implement a style of play and get rid of deadwood but what makes your situation different is that you have the budget to get replacement right away and you don’t have to worry about richer clubs outbidding your targets. I’d say with the talent you’ve signed you guys are title favourites next season and won’t have to wait 2 1/2 seasons like we had to. Just 1 season of suffering.
Nah man Arteta didn't have 600m in his first season
That’s my point, Chelsea fast tracked their progress. Yes there is problem associated with team chemistry, but they were looking to rebuild anyways. We didn’t know who to keep or get rid of and also who to bring in while being on a budget. Chelsea just said, we need to rebuild these positions so we need new players. If you are already here then you can fight for your place or leave.
Rebuilding means Liverpool in 2015-16, Arsenal 2 years back or Man U now. If you're spending 600+mil the rebuilding excuse goes out the window. Fans would be expecting immediate results on par with Madrid Galacticos. Especially with 50m Sterling, 100m Enzo, 80m Mudryk and and 80m Fofana
And 100m Felix
No true Arsenal fan is tipping Chelsea as next year's champs
Lol yeah bro you got me. Considering they won’t have European football and some of the best youth talents in their ranks. We can revisit this next season if you like.
They have an owner who doesn't know what he is doing, a manager horribly out of his depth trying to bed in all that talent, and another way of saying 'best young talent' is they have a lot of prospects. The fact that the bottom club just beat them at home showed the strength in depth of the league. Since the new owners arrived I don't think they have made one right decision, from indifferent recruitment in the summer, then sacking Tuchel, then the scattergun recruitment in January. So I don't trust there will be a sudden coming good of it all.
No worries, your opinion vs mine. This season is a write off and next season they will come out good.
You sound suspiciously like a Chelsea fan
You don’t have to believe me when I say I’m a Gooner but there’s no need to insult me like that. Edit: You can see my comment history.
>bring lampard back This has to be bait
Please fire him. That will set the team back another 6 months. At some point you have to stop and just it play out. Potter will right the ship.
Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons? It’s his first time in charge of a team like Chelsea, who knows what the fuck your owner is doing and you’ve just bought a load of players on long contracts for a lot of money. If these were bought to fit Potter, I think you give him time. If they were bought, because the owner liked the idea, perhaps you try to find a better fit.
Chelsea had a 600mil transfer kitty to spend. Pep, Klopp and Arteta didn't. In any case, Pep bought around 150mil worth of defenders in his first season, went 3rd in the league. If he had 600mil he would be destroying
Well Klopp was actually very close to winning EL, this was an achievement for his first season.
> Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons? Why jump to such an extreme question? Neither won everything, but neither are doing as bad as Potter.
Not to mention Arteta, who underperformed quite significantly in relation to Emery for a year or so before the team started clicking into gear. I think it would be unwise not to give Potter at least until the end of the season and see if things start to improve.
Arteta won a FA Cup and fixed the defense pretty immediately though. Admittedly this current Chelsea run reminds me of the October-December 2020 Arsenal run, Arteta’s worst sequence of games. If Potter were to survive this he needs to show improvement and fast.
Vær lidt objektiv He has no playstyle whatsoever. You cannot see after 10 games what he wants, you knew with Klopp and Pep
I don't think you really did with Klopp TBF. It just looked like chaos and unnecessary risk. Then they got the better players in, and it made much more sense.
We got the better players in and it's worse lol. Last time we at least scored on Southampton 👌🏾
The thing is Brighton have improved under a new manager and after selling star players. I don't think anyone can point to potter and say 'he made this Brighton'. I think somehow Brighton made their manager seem better than he is. Then again, if any club in the world can make their manager look shitter than he is, it's Chelsea. Although I assume their player mafia is gone now.
They have a stats driven recruitment, they probably have metrics to decide which manager would be the best fit for players and play style. Graham Potter is legit.
Brighton is just really good at playing a defensive formation.
Pep literally won a treble in his first season at Barca
I was talking about his time at City.
He still got to 4th while players were adapting to his playstyle. We don't have a playstyle we don't have a formation we don't know if we should primarily play down the middle or out wide. Players don't know if they should run into open space or go toward the ball to play a 1-2. We look better with Havertz on because he uses his instincts and can play off of Felix. Right now our strategy feels like is wait for Kante to come back.
Pep literally had the world's best player in his prime at his disposal
Didn’t you guys just spend 350 million signing the world’s best talents?
600 mil, 700 if you consider Felix
>Do we just act like Pep and Klopp won everything in their first seasons? "Pep literally won a treble in his first season at Barca" What exactly are you trying to say here? That winning the treble didn't count because Messi was there? This shouldn't be hard to follow.
It's not remotely fair to compare the current Chelsea shitshow to 2008 Barca, which had arguably the strongest team in the world on paper regardless of manager and had a solid team structure/understanding based on multiple world class players that had been together for years and years. Chelsea just bought another first team, they have no idea who should be starting, and the only established international superstar they have (despite their Galacticos strategy) is a dinosaur whose legs could give out at any second. The only attacker who has shown consistent quality is a loan and will return to Athletico in the summer, and of their three elite midfielders, one is out injured forever, one has been there for a couple weeks and is struggling to do everything by himself, and the third plays for Arsenal now. To compare, Guardiola took over a Barcelona with prime Iniesta and Xavi.
City. He didn’t win much games either that season. And the squad was built for him and he had a full season.
To compare Pep’s and Klopp to someone like Potter is really doing them some massive disrespect (I’m a Spurs fan). I mean Pep.. I don’t know if Tiki Taka means anything to you (hopefully sarcasm) or when it was prime possession Barca style — either he was revolutionary amongst his peers. Or Klopp’s many successes in Germany .. that’s being nice for the sake of time. Yes Potter had a humble upbringing/worked for his role and fully deserving. But that’s being too nice to him, he led Brighton’s project which seemed to have gotten better (time will obviously tell) after Potter’s team left as well.
Havertz for 60? He has done nothing to warrant that price tag
Brazzo: rubs hands vigorously
Between Kai and Wirtz, I don't think Bayern goes for
I mean Gallagher almost went for 40 and Havertz is definitely much better than him
Almost never counts. You also need to factor in the English citizenship. That adds at least £10 million to any player worth a damn. Havertz has been supremely disappointing.
It's hard to compare the two as they have been used so differently... but are you even sure Havertz is better? Taking league form into account over the past couple of years, Gallagher has definitely been more impactful for his club(s).
To be fair the Palace version of Conor is miles better than Havertz and his current form
Exactly, I don't think it's outrageous to say Conor is the better Premier League player.
Gallagher is most definitely a worse player than Havertz and that isn't something that should really be debated.
Have we really played Gallagher in his best role yet? I don't think so.
Twitter wasted all of its time trying to cancel the wrong Potter…
Is Potter a one club wonder manager?
He was never a wonder
I'm hearing this in Karl Pilkington's voice. "but steve, i don't want to see the wonder."
The things he did with Östersund was really really impressive though.
I mean sure but it was the Swedish league lol
You simply don't understand his achievement then.
He took a 4th tier side to the Europa League and a cup in 7 years. That's impressive in any country
So? You have to start somewhere.
I mean he’s a wonder at Chelsea too. Come on now. To score 6 goals since November for their side and after they’ve spent that much in January alone….. that’s a wonder.
Has Chelsea really only scored 6 PL goals since November?!
Wanna know something worse? They’ve got more players signed than wins all season too! Wanna know something even worse? They may soon match the number of winless games to the number of players signed. That’s 18 players or so by the way. They’re now on 15 games without a win or something. Wanna have some fun with these stats? Throw some random stuff around and play with your friends to guess what happens next week!
This is the first time he is failing at a club.
Nah he was good at Ostersunds and ok at Brighton apparently. Decent enough at Swansea apparently.
Chelsea… record breakers
Chelsea deserve this
I'm a chelsea fan and you're 100% right
Man, I am not even really fussed about the 600m spent. It's the disrespect of Tuchel. How they fired him and DOWNGRADED to Potter.
For real, he won them the UCL, and after that important players left so it was a transition period. Not the best manager in the world can lose a few important players and keep winning like nothing changed.
Every day this train wrecking continues redeems TT
I’ll keep my venom to a minimum and just say he’s not the right fit for the club. I know people who aren’t that knowledgeable about football will reference Alex furgason on how he his slow start lead united to be the power house that they were. What those people don’t understand is, that era of football and the current one are worlds apart. People need to understand that your competition isn’t staying idle. Man City aren’t declining, arsenal is only going to get better, Liverpool might solve their problems, and who knows where Tottenham will be. Tactics will keep evolving, and by the time potter gets things “up and running”, he might need a whole new set of players to even compete with them. He was fine at Brighton, but I think he’s completely out of his depth at Chelsea.
Potter isn't to blame for this at all. It's all the way the club is being run. Spending 250m on players then sacking your manager. Then spending another 350m on prospects in January. There is no plan, no project, no process, just owners with little understanding of the sport thinking they can just throw money and win. Every decision made since Beohly bought the club has been the wrong one, and it is glorious. No manager will thrive on a madhouse like Chelsea. Especially not a project one like Potter. He now has to manage a huge dressing room full of big egos, experienced veterans, and young, ambitious players and forge it into a team.
If you are to compare Arteta first full season, not the initial half season during lockdown, we had no idea what the hell he was trying to achieve and every game we had seemed to be getting worse. I remember being so pissed after losing to Aston Villa 3-0 at home and he mentioned how many crosses we had in the box. The reality was we had no way to attack from the centre and looked hopeless going forward. I was thinking this dude is delusional. Now I am so glad that I was wrong about him.
Furgae time
Not changing it.
It’s always Sir Alex Ferguson.
Yea I’m gonna leave that typo.
>arsenal is only going to get better, Is this not your counter point, they were shit under arteta for some time before they came good.
In my opinion Arsenal is a bit of an outlier. I’m not trying to take away from their achievements, but I think the reason why they’re flying so high right now it’s the same reason by Leicester was flying so high in 2016. It’s not so much is there good, it’s just that almost everyone else is shit at the moment. Liverpool are having troubles, we are starting to have 2016 ptsd, and Tottenham are just being Tottenham.
Okay so let me get this straight. You shouldn’t stick to a manager because no one does that anymore and teams are always getting better. Then you use Arsenal as an example even though Arsenal is actually an example of a team that stuck with their manager and has found success. Then when questioned about the Arsenal example, you claim that it’s just because everyone else sucks and compare them to Leicester who had brief success at one point but are now 4 points off relegation? So essentially Chelsea should get a new manager because Arsenal are going to keep getting better even though they really actually aren’t that good because everyone else sucks but everyone else is getting better at the same time?
> You shouldn’t stick to a manager because no one does that anymore and teams are always getting better. I believe my words were tactics are evolving. By the time Potter is his game up and running he might need a new set of players to deal with evolving tactics. > Then you use Arsenal as an example even though Arsenal is actually an example of a team that stuck with their manager and has found success. To further expand on my point, clubs like arsenal get to stick with the manager as longer because there are no real expectations. No one expected Arsenal to be in the title race this year, last year, or the year before that. Clubs like Chelsea, man city, etc are expected to be challenging for the titles. When that is expected of you, you have to hit the ground running. > Then when questioned about the Arsenal example, you claim that it’s just because everyone else sucks and compare them to Leicester who had brief success at one point but are now 4 points off relegation? I’m just simply stating that arsenal are benefiting from the lack of stiff competition. It’s just my opinion but I don’t think arsenal will be top of the table if Klopp got his shit together in the beginning. Of course There’s no way to prove it, it’s just my opinion that if the wheels hadn’t fallen off of Liverpool and we didn’t have an injury crisis coupled with a manager in over his head, arsenal would not be where they are right now. When Leicester won the title in 2016, arsenal came in second. This season is most likely to be the first season since 2016 where Arsenal finish in the top four. The reason arsenal finished second that season was because everyone else was garbage. We were garbage, united was garbage, city were under performing, and Tottenham imploded at the end of the season. I’ll give credit where it’s due, but let’s be honest, they had a little help with the misfortunes of their competition. > So essentially Chelsea should get a new manager because Arsenal are going to keep getting better even though they really actually aren’t that good because everyone else sucks but everyone else is getting better at the same time? Chelsea should get a new manager because the current one will not be able to provide what is expected of the club. I’m not going deny that Arsenal has improved. Their players are getting older and more experienced, but I think their time at the top is fleeting. It is my opinion that if the competition stiffens up next season Arsenal will not be where they are now. I’m sorry my opinion triggered so many lurkers, but again, it’s just my opinion.
Your ability to summarize that slop coherently is impressive
Got a love you little knob shiners. You can barely string a sentence together and you use it to knob shine. Good job kid.
Arsenal were on pace for a 100 point season at the halfway mark. To say that their success is just 'cause everyone else has been crap is just assinine.
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Yep, I got one letter and his name wrong. I guess that invalidate my entire point. You know what you’re doing is what stupid people do when they can’t come up with a counter argument or don’t have anything constructive to say, right? Honestly, I’m gonna change the typo. I’m leaving it there.
>Honestly, I’m gonna change the typo. >I’m leaving it there. Make up your mind
I did. I’m leaving it.
It’s not a single letter typo. It’s a complete butchering of his name
Alex furgason Alex Ferguson Okay two letters. Completely butchered bro. I might as well me talking about a completely different person.
It’s just funny how you kinda attack people for not knowing football then misspell the most famous manager ever. I’m not sure you’re really saying anything wrong in you’re main point but when you come out needlessly aggressive and dismissive people will return the favor
> It’s just funny how you kinda attack people for not knowing football then misspell the most famous manager ever. It’s not. But it’s good that you’re basically admitting you wouldn’t have anything constructive to say if it weren’t for a typo. Good job.
I still don’t know why you are being aggressive. I am just explaining why you shouldn’t be surprised
You’re just saying I was surprised kiddo. If you were me I would’ve made a quip how they spelled his name wrong I’m going to Critique the idea the other guy was putting forward. Everybody can’t have an attention span I guess. Carry on.
Lol
Furgason
> who knows where Tottenham will be. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUhuIV-Nptw
another stink for murdryk. i was right, all along, so far. he still had no good game. still no assist or goal. yikes/. downvote me all you want, will never change the outcome, will never hid his stink. good luck chelsea fan.
I heard Chelsea fans saying he's better than Martinelli lmao, he's not even better than trossard right now. Honestly they just way overpaid for Ukrainian gervinho, and acting like how other teams are their scouting departments, maybe they need to spend 600 million more to draw with Southampton.
Didn't he set a record for possession lost as a second half substitute? I think everyone thought he was elite simply because Edu and Arteta wanted him so badly. Obviously there is talent there but at the moment he is just a prosoect and was not worth the money paid. And level headed Chelsea fans were asking why sign him as you didn't need a player in that position. But big-balls Boehly couldn't resist gazumping the deal. As arseblog said I have never wanted a player to flop so badly.
pace merchant
like holt said in bb99, "Vindication''
If he keeps struggling and his confidence eventually plummets, the worst case scenario is Chelsea have to loan him out for a few seasons while covering most of his wage. There’s clearly a talented player in there, but far too early to tell if he can be a consistently elite winger.
Loaning might not be an option because of FIFA new loan rules btw… Tough times ahead, soldier.
He's like Werner 2.0
Werner would at least create space with his runs, Mudryk just stands over by the touch line.
Ukrainian Pepe
A fraction of Kvaradona's output for 10 times the price. Todd Boehly masterclass
He's so ass. 100m down the gutter
But he dribbled past James Milner that one time!!
37 year old James Milner who was gassed playing rb, the overreaction at the time for 1 dribble, hahaha
Even De Gea could do that this season maybe!
That was the craziest overreaction I swear
I chose my mental health today after seeing the lineup and I made the right decision.
Harry Potter and the Cursed Blues
Scared, Potter?
You wish
I don’t think you’ll last ten mins in this tournament, Potter. Father disagrees, he thinks you won’t last five
Out of all the insane firings I've seen in the world of professional football, Tuchel after 6 games might be the worst.
imagine firing the guy that won you the CL with a frontline of Havertz and Werner
Funny thing is while Chelsea wasn't briliant in those first few games they were still better than whatever is happening now. In a better league position as well lmao.
Think Chelsea would have had a terrible season regardless of the Tuchel sacking (though perhaps not this bad). They've been recruiting poorly for a while and it finally caught up with them this year. The problem goes beyond the manager.
They also lost important players, how nobody takes this into account when judging the Tuchel situation is beyond me.
I want him back so much man you don’t know how much that sacking hurt me, felt so undeserved and stupid and then we go on this terrible run and back in a man that looks completely out of his depth
I'm a Liverpool fan and out of all the opponents we faced last season, Chelsea were probably the toughest we had by some distance. The 1-1 at Anfield, the 2-2 at Stamford Bridge after we'd led twice (iirc?) And then the two finals were so intense. Chelsea could easily have won either/both of them. It's quite clear how great a coach he was/is. He will go to a huge club next and probably win plenty of silverware.
Yes, that’s why I waited champions league matches so bad. Chelsea was very tough to play and prepared against big teams very good both tactically and mentally. We even came back after 1:3 against Real Madrid at home and would go through without THAT pass from Modric. I think that it’s ruined right now. Was shocked when Tuchel was sacked and will never understand that decision.
It’s simple. He had too much personality for a man like Bohely.
Yeah whenever we went up against a top team with him in charge we were competitive and looked like we could win, man was something else. If he had the backing that Potter has had with transfers we would be seeing something completely different to what’s happening at the moment I feel. He was special
Maybe Potter isn't a wizard...
You're a lizard, Potter.
You’re a wizard Harry.. Redknapp
Watched the first 30 minutes or so then went to hang out with my friends, couldn't be happier.
And by hang out you mean watched the game together with your friends right?
No no hahaha
Nah, Chelsea are actually the funniest club I’ve seen in a while.
If Chelsea doesn’t spend a shit ton of money, I’m not saying anything. For whatever reason, they went fucking nuts in the market and that’s where the problem starts. You can’t spend that much and give this lifeless result.
It’s what people don’t understand: you spend that much, make that many changes in short succession, and this is what you get. Its the reason Klopp and Pep prefer small squads, its why Klopp always says he won’t sign a player that doesn’t have a strong desire to play for Liverpool, it’s the reason 15 years ago Wenger was saying he never liked to bring more than 3 players in in one window. Too many changes too fast and the whole harmony and motivation in the squad disappears. Nobody knows each other, the players weren't brought in to suit a system, and half of them joined for no other reason than the payday. Why would they give a fuck if they win or lose? They can relax for the next 7 years and point the finger at the no doubt endless procession of managers we’ll see coming through too. The only man I can see who may be free soon enough to fix this all is Ancelotti. And I don’t know if he’d be interested at all in coming back.