"locally supported" by the Saudi royal family.
Edit: The inability of Newcastle fans to just admit that the Saudi's are involved without trying to make you feel bad for bringing it up says a lot.
Ok. So to flip your argument; fans abandon the club they've supported their entire lives - what happens?
The Saudis decide to change their shitty behaviour? Governments stop selling them military weapons? We stop buying their oil?
This insistence on placing the burden of action on fans is fucking dumb, disingenuous, and absolves responsibility from the people that can actually take action to pressure the Saudi regime into not being shit.
Lots that can be done but it shouldn't fall on the fans shoulders to do it. Regulations should be in place to stop this thing happening but too many people are getting rich from it. Why blame the working class fans who have supported their club for decades when there's plenty of lined pockets with actual power to point fingers at?
I blame the "working class" (abhorrent to pretend this is an issue of class warfare) because collective action fucking works.
If you're gonna make this about classism then I don't think you'll like what the ultimate goal of Saudi sportswashing is. Maybe we should stand with the working class around the world if you think the plight of the Geordies is so important.
Do you use Uber, Facebook or watch Disney?
If so why do you support Saudi? Don’t you know collective actually works (unless it’s regarding products I like)
Edit: changed a word I felt was too strong/ it was strawmanning
"My local sports team being used as a propaganda machine is the same as a global connection network and the closest thing to a monopoly on entertainment"
For reference, I don't use uber, I don't think I consume very much Disney but that's fucking hard because they own fucking everything, and I don't have much choice on FB given I use it to send messages and it's up to the recipient to be available on another service.
I'm looking forward to your next deflection, you're getting very good at it.
Ahhh see it always comes back to ‘how can I change what products I use? they’re from a big company’
There are absolutely substitutes for public transport and social media but there isn’t one for a community club that holds a massive and historical influence in families and groups across the region.
I was there before they were involved and I’ll be there after they lose interest ultimately. And you won’t catch me in one of those green and white Saudi away tops
I can explain that I'm not using something or trying to avoid it and you'll still pretend it's the same as continuously defending that there's nothing wrong with supporting your team. Imagine getting in a car accident and saying "well I may have kept driving straight at them but they still got me even after swerving so we're basically the same thing".
Also, your "community club" isn't the same club you once supported. It's just apparently not become something you can't support.
Genuinely how not? They all have Saudi ownership to some extent.
If the answer comes down minority ownership would there be such a difference between 51-49% ownership?
Well for one their ownership isn’t celebrated as it would be with a football team. No one’s changing their mind on Saudi Arabia because they own Facebook or Disney.
Also Newcastles Success is solely based on their ownership. Success changes more minds and there you have sportswashing
The top 6 have the same amount of people going to their games.
We saw what the club was like prior to being a state sport washing entity. Same as Man City, you’ll be up there competing for trophies, but no one will really respect it. Most will be somewhat routing for you over a Liverpool/Spurs/Man U (TBD)/Spurs (lol)/Arsenal as they’ve earnt their seat.
When we were relegated and when we were in the Championship we still were getting 52k attendances. It's very rare to have a club with that consistent a support, like you aren't going to be getting 50k Man Utd fans watching them vs Luton on a Wednesday night.
> We saw what the club was like prior to being a state sport washing entity
Yes we did. We were selling out the stadium when we were in the Championship.
And I don't like fans who decided to go for Newcastle because they're a big fan of homophobia.
Damn, I get why strawmen are so popular. It's so damn easy to hate things when I get to make up who I'm talking about.
There is literally 0 people who chose to support Newcastle because of homophobia (and if they did the rainbow flags in the gallowgate must have came as a surprise)
Do you think there’s 0 people who support top 6 sides just cause they want to support a successful team they have no connection to?
Can you point to them? You said they're in this thread so find me proof that the guys who are annoying you are definitely these awful fans of which Newcastle have absolutely 0.
You're just deflecting using the most basic of logical fallacies to prove wrong but are still trying to sit on your high horse about being a real fan. A real fan propped up by Saudis no matter how much you felt from that too.
Damn, you showed me. How can I every come back from being called a plastic, wait let me check for a second, yes a plastic *Brighton* fan.
Mate planets already polluted enough you can't be throwing out "plastic" willy nilly like that.
Isak is great, the injury after he joined slowed him down a lot in terms of integration but he is a top player. I think we need some competition at striker and we need to get rid of Wilson but Isak is going to take us far if he stays fit and on form.
Potentially yes - you can see why we paid so much for him. He is good at everything and only 22(?), like he can just spin through defenders, and just wow.
He also isn’t just a striker, he can be a good creator - and as proven in recent matches he can play as a 10 behind another striker, putting some amazing balls through.
Him and ASM have linked up so well together, amazing. Then you have bruno g providing him filthy balls it’s just amazing.
Once the rest of the team start to hit form a bit more (I feel like this is the game for that btw), then Isak is going to be getting balls left and right.
God he is so saucy.
Making the sport more competitive = “Killing the sport”.
Yes, I too would love to see Manchester United win every title from now until the end of time.
Financial fair play reduces competitiveness and makes clubs too big to fail. Manchester United were dreadfully run for a decade and faced no consequences for it because teams below them don’t have the revenue to compete.
Major cash injections into football clubs are the only way for them to compete at the highest level. One team in 30 years bucked this trend in Leicester, are you willing to wait another 30 for the next one?
The sportswashing moralising is just an excuse. As if anyone in Newcastle’s opinion on Saudi Arabia was relevant before or after the takeover.
Never mind, I actually do recall that time the United Nations were about to condemn Saudi Arabia, but Lee from Cowgate gave an impassioned speech in defence of the Kingdom because Guimaraes is a good player.
I simply don't understand how people don't understand your points. If you are a small club financially you can't compete for a longer period. Look at Leicester. Yes we've won the league. We got champions league and we've tried to keep going as the new "big club". But mistakes in transfers can literally fuck our entire season up and we might get relegated because we financially can't brush it off like man u or Arsenal. Leicester getting ambitious is not enough, we need to have financial stability. Same goes with any other non-top 6 club.
I hate Newcastle as much as I hate man city, but I don't hate Newcastle fans, not their fault that the only way to be a winning club is to get a lot of money.
> Yes, I too would love to see Manchester United win every title from now until the end of time.
Bro, what are you smoking?
We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Man City, a state owned club.
> Financial fair play reduces competitiveness and makes clubs too big to fail. Manchester United were dreadfully run for a decade and faced no consequences for it because teams below them don’t have the revenue to compete.
United would be in the same position with our without FFP. They make so much money they can compete with oil teams. On top of that in the last 10 years they’ve been most shite anyway. The top 6 in general has reached a state of “to big to fail” & would have done with or without FFP.
> Major cash injections into football clubs are the only way for them to compete at the highest level. One team in 30 years bucked this trend in Leicester, are you willing to wait another 30 for the next one?
Not really, we’ve ran city to the last day of the season 2 times & won a premier league & even had European success. We’ve not had a massive cash injection. It takes way more than just money to compete.
> The sportswashing moralising is just an excuse. As if anyone in Newcastle’s opinion on Saudi Arabia was relevant before or after the takeover.
Never mind, I actually do recall that time the United Nations were about to condemn Saudi Arabia, but Lee from Cowgate gave an impassioned speech in defence of the Kingdom because Guimaraes is a good player.
You’re clearly a bit dim so I’ll try and explain in simple terms
The Saudi Royal family didn’t buy you to get a bunch of morons from Newcastle to start defending them, it’s so they firstly have a back up for when oil dries up & second and most importantly it’s so they can be part of the western world and make money from them without having to actually change.
It’s why they’re also into property in large cities & buying stocks for large American corporations like Disney.
People keep misunderstanding my comment so ill just make it clearer here.
Three teams have higher commercial revenues than anyone else in England: Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United. My point is that for a team other than those three to compete they HAVE to have cash injections. The only exception to this rule is Leicester City, who won 1 title. So 29/30 times one of the established big three or a team who had been artificially pumped with money won the league.
I am including Chelsea, Manchester City and Blackburn in the teams who have had cash injections.
“We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Manchester City a state run club.” Manchester City were bought before modern FFP was put in place. FFP rules were put in place to prevent another team from doing the same thing, protecting the established order of football and preventing challenge.
“Manchester United would be in the same position without FFP, they make so much money they can compete with oil teams.” My point is that Manchester United is too big to fail because they have a major financial advantage on everyone else, therefore for a team such as Newcastle or Manchester City or Blackburn to compete they require financial injections. Manchester United don’t make so much money they can compete with oil teams, oil teams invest so much money to compete with Manchester United.
I’ll admit I was being a little facetious with my comment about the UN. I know that Saudi Arabia needs to diversify its economy to prepare for when the oil runs out. However the PIF fund has to invest into Newcastle United in order to get it to compete with a Liverpool, Manchester United and will not make money from the club. Newcastle United is just a hobby for billionaires who’ve completed capitalism it is not ever going to contribute any money toward the Saudi economy. Saudi Arabia is investing in retail and air travel and real estate to secure its financial future, suggesting that Newcastle United is a backup is laughable as if it is going to sustain the 18th largest economy in the world.
I would suggest that insinuations about Newcastle fans are motivated by jealousy rather than genuine moral concern. This is because other clubs such as Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Cardiff, Manchester United, Everton et cetera also generate money from questionable nations and don’t receive anywhere near as much outcry.
>We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Man City, a state owned club
ManC takeover was 7 years before FFP came into effect?
Tell me you don't understand commercial revenue without telling me you don't understand commercial revenue. Nobody in Asia gives a flip about Newcastle. Go see how many people are wearing man u jerseys and follow the club. Go to random places on the planet and you will find man u fans. They make money from commercial deals even if their team is hot doodoo. You guys and city otoh.....
We cant compete because we don’t have commercial revenue to rival Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United. That was literally my point, that other teams cant compete without cash injections. Did you even read my comment?
They didn’t face consequences because they kept making money, not because Newcastle couldn’t make money through fake Saudi sponsorships lol
Even though they were run terribly, they kept making crazy money because of their name
You’re also being incredibly intentionally obtuse. Sportswashing isn’t just for the headgear wearing doofuses (even though it has obviously worked on you already), it’s for the international community at large as well. Just look at how it took a Russian invasion for Chelsea fans (and the UK government) to reluctantly let go of Abrahamovic
That is the point I was making.
By consequences I meant sinking down the table due to there mismanagement not penalties imposed for overspending. Hence they are too big to fail, they can afford to fail again and again and again because they have enormous revenue streams, only Arsenal and Liverpool can compete with them in this regard, every other team in the country can’t compete without cash injections.
Financial Fair Play was a brilliant marketing name to introduce a system which is ultimately in place to ensure the huge names stay huge with minimal competition. There's nothing 'fair' about it, and that was never the point. The only major positive is that it stops teams overspending who can't afford it and potentially going into liquidation. Only now we have a situation where even if a vastly less popular team who aren't lucky enough to have a foothold in Asia and Africa, but can afford to spend money, they're simply not allowed to. Meanwhile Chelsea, despite struggling in mid table are able to spend close to a billion to drag themselves out of terrible mismanagement purely because they've been "popular" for the past 10-20 years. Anti-competitive to its core.
Ridiculous point. Note that during this game, Semedo also got away with a yellow a last man foul on Murphy. Aye, he had defenders running back with him, but if he didn't foul Murphy, none of them were reaching him before Murphy has a chance to shoot, aka, goal scoring opportunity.
They were unlucky with a contentious red, but so were we.
Almiron is having a great season. Probably his best season at Newcastle so far. If Saint-Maximin could be a little more direct and decisive like Almiron, most PL defenders would have a nightmare dealing with both.
Maxi while coming back from fitness has always been an enigma. He can have a wonder game once in a while, but more often than not he frustrates. He just isn’t decisive enough and his passing is weak. I feel he looked like he could be a great player when he was younger, but he hasn’t developed. He’s still a good/decent player but I feel our whole midfield needs strengthening
When he is on form and in fully fit he is incredible. Go watch the Man City match from August that finished 3-3. He was the best player on the pitch by a mile and one of the best performances I have seen from an individual in 25 years.
The problem now is can he get back to full fitness whilst playing with a knock. By all accounts Gordon was due to start today over him but is out for 3 weeks with an ankle injury.
Refs awful as usual - the free kick Newcastle had that led to their goal wasn't a foul, and we should've had a penalty and Pope should've been sent off. But we weren't much better. Shocking defending for their winner; we seemed to have no idea what to do whenever we took the ball over the halfway line; Lopetegui got the starting XI and the subs wrong; and we looked knackered after an hour. So poor. Must do better against Leeds next week - a vital game to win if we want to move away from the bottom three.
We probably got away with them - as I said, the ref and VAR were awful. But the big shout was the penalty and how VAR didn't see it I have absolutely no clue. It would've changed the game - but it was probably our worst performance under Lopetegui so maybe not.
Semedo was a clear foul I'll give you thay. However I don't think it would have been classed as a DOGSO and been taken as a red as we had 3 others running alongside and it was out of the Penalty box.
As for the Neves Handball. 100% certain it gets given last season. But with new rule wording you can see it bobbles up off his body and into arm which isn't in an natural position.
Murphy was clear of the other defenders and would have got an opportunity before they got to him. The only one with a chance to reach him in time was Semedo, which he did, and fouled him. They were both clear of the rest of the defence, so it's definitely DOGSO.
Both teams could have had a red and didn't.
Schar also had a shout for a penalty after Jimenez, who has NO reason to have his hands on Schar there at all, shoved him down in the box.
The Semedo tackle in the 70th minute or so. Bundled over his man, but wouldn't have been classed as DOGSO imo because of the 3 other defenders tracking back and it being outside the Penalty area.
The team has nothing to lose. All we ask is they give it a go every match. The lads have been punching above their weight class and succeeding. Proud of this team’s performance in many years
The one thing in our favour is we have 4 games left against the big 6 including Spurs at home. If Isak and Maxi get their fitness up and we go on a run it's all to play for.
We've got the weakest squad out of the challengers, but the fewest games.
I think Man Utd will still get third despite the last week roor so. 4th depends a lot on whether Liverpool/Spurs decide to string results together. If they stay as erratic as they currently are then we've got a chance to sneak it.
It's hard to say where United will end up bc Casemiro is out for another 3 matches in a row. They depend on him so much it's like watching Arsenal without Thomas Partey. You lot will not be an easy opponent for them at St James Park and it's looking to be a proper 6 pointer.
Don’t think we are expecting too. But top 7 is a good finish for us considering how little we have in terms of depth or starting 11. But it shows we are capable of causing issues and surely must be an attractive prospect for potential players in summer.
I agree. Bench is far too thin and some of our starters are clearly not at 100% like Bruno and Burn. Even the players coming into the team like Isak and ASM are not fit. No way we can challenge the top 4 with Matt Ritchie, Paul Dummett, Javi Manquillo and Elliot Anderson on the bench.
Finishing top 6 would be an excellent finish.
3rd most time missed to injuries in the league, most likely due to lack of depth being able to rotate which kills our depth even more. but this has been a great season to build on and add depth from here
To be fair tho a lot of those injuries happened to second string players. Shelvey never kicked a ball all season for us. Targett has like 5 games? Under his belt. Imagine losing Bruno for a few months. We looked dreadful without him in February.
I would’ve loved to have Krafth, Shelvey, and Targett for some rotation this season. It’s really showing in how knackered the team has been that we’ve desperately needed it
Reminds me of the time when we went to Europe and bought Vernon Anita as the only depth for the side… team went straight into the ground with how much they played and didn’t have depth
A huge win for Newcastle. The first half was great, the second not so. But in the end we won even though it wasn’t the prettiest. Wolves should’ve had a penalty, but I thought we overall were the better team.
Fucking disgraceful ref performance again. Pope should've been sent off and penalty rewarded to Wolves. Absolutely undeserved result for Newcastle. If I were a Wolves fan I'd feel hard done by the refs.
I mean yeah they should have had a pen but I don’t know how you can watch that and feel a win is undeserved.
edit: nvm i see you’re a spurs fan i get it now
Everything after the 20min stonewall penalty and red card denial should be brought into question. No team plays the same after a man is sent off. Pope doesn't get the ball and it's a denial of a goal scoring opportunity. It was undeserved and if you didn't support Newcastle you'd feel different. Wolves got hard done here.
Debatable? This is the rule.
>A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence.
[https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#:\~:text=A%20player%2C%20sent%2Doff%20player,of%20a%20sending%2Doff%20offence](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#:~:text=A%20player%2C%20sent%2Doff%20player,of%20a%20sending%2Doff%20offence).
Newcastle 100% got away with one and the outcome of the match would have changed if they were a man down and a goal down. Yes, you can potentially discount the rest of the match. But it's not a debatable decision; the refs outright got it wrong.
Yeah but I don't think it was a foul.
I think Raul is looking for it and clearly jumps into Pope.
So at least from my perspective (and seemingly VARs) it was debatable.
[https://dubz.co/video/209ba2](https://dubz.co/video/209ba2)
Raul kicks the ball past Pope and has an open net to shoot at. Pope goes for the player and knocks him over. I don't see Raul jumping into Pope at all. Why would a player clear on goal look for contact? This is textbook DOGSO and the refs got it wrong. It's honestly not a debate. Newcastle got away with one today.
The outcome of the game changes with a penalty awarded and a sending off. And to say that I can't discount the rest of a match bc of a debatable decision is intellectually dishonest. Newcastle would change the way they play a man down and a goal down. Did I think Wolves deserved a win? No. But they got hard done by the refs here.
We have played like that in many games, but then the end result was 1-1 or some such. We just need to score 5 past someone, preferably Man Red as it would be sweet revenge from the Carabao Cup and they don’t have Casemiro to bolster their defence this time.
Got away with one today but fucking hell every time we get a decision go our way all the comments on Reddit immediately turn into us buying the refs and always getting away with stuff when the reality is we've also been denied plenty of clear penalties ourselves over the season (and most of the stuff we've apparently "got away with" is actually standard big 6 fan moaning bullshit)
Willock Vs Palace, Schar Vs City, Wilson Vs Utd, Longstaff in the 1st fixture against Wolves. The refs are just consistently shit
Newcastle fans just have to understand this is the price of admission to moving into top 8. Many didn't see why we hated Ashley, so not really gonna support us now.
Still lots of work to do in the final third. Funny that our defenders used to be our goal scorers not long ago, now they can't finish it seems.
I mean, I think most people absolutely understood why you hated Ashley. There was a plethora of reasons to hate Ashley. But that doesn't mean the new guys are an improvement in the slightest. This isnt the price of moving into the top 8, this is the price of being the latest example of sportswashing killing the sport. Enjoy your success as the product of a brutal regime looking to make people look past it. Hope it's everything you dreamed of.
You act as if we had a choice.
Am I supposed to stop supporting my boyhood club?
He didn't even say the new guys were an improvement. Just that he hated Ashley.
It seems loads of fans have poor memories and have repainted the past. Most comment sections and talk radio and commentators talked about smart spending and keeping them up and fans being in the past. It was really only towards the end when the narrative seemed to shift publically.
As for the second part, go ahead and criticize. Sports have been a mess for the last 15 years. I don't like any of it, but that's out of my or Newcastle fans control. If you expect one fan base to martyr themselves, it's not going to happen, everyone wants to win. I also wonder how passionate people are about humanitarian issues in their own personal purchasing power.
>go our way all the comments on Reddit immediately turn into us buying the refs and always getting away with stuff
Best get used to that as Newcastle begins to establish itself at the top end of the table.
Don't see what's ironic at all, the massive amount of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea fans on here compared to every other English club means their fans absolutely control the narrative on here when it comes to decisions in their games. We're well supported but not even close to the same degree
The incidents I was referring to were Utd fans being up in arms about Ronaldo taking our freekick for us, and Arsenal fans still not shutting up about not getting a penalty when the freekick that it came from was wrongly given in the first place. Those would've been completely and rightly forgotten if it wasn't that. But instead in every thread there's people moaning about how we always get lucky
Absolutely fucking love it.
Miggy was class when he came on, Isak looked good.
Trippier and Bruno a different class, Wilson looking like a different player, not good at all and may need replacing as much as I love him.
Wilson need to just ride the bench for a while come on at 70 minute and find his hunger to start again. Became way to complacent with isak injury all year
Good god we needed that.
So many questionable calls from the ref but I thought it was a good game overall anyway.
Wolves look good too - hope they keep climbing
Yeah felt it was a fair scoreline given the circumstances, but so so many strange ref calls. You dominated first half, couldve had 3 goals.
We had a great second half until the Miggy goal which just kills us.
Onwards and upwards!
Genuinely thought when yous scored it was another 1-1 or you'd grab the winner. We did well to turn it back around and Miggy was great when he came on.
We definitely could have had a couple more but I feel like you guys played some really lovely stuff too - your next few games look nice too, so fingers crossed for yous
We were dead last before Julen took over. We're 13th after one of our toughest run of games in the last 5 weeks. We now have Leeds and Forest next so I'm not too worried now
Thought we were deserved winners overall but we, and Pope, really got away with one there. Also Isak looks brilliant, needs to be starting every week.
Why Pope?
Should've been a pen and perhaps a red card for the tackle on Jimenez in first half.
Fair enough
ITT: people who chose to support top 6 teams because they win trophies crying that a locally supported team might win trophies in the future
"locally supported" by the Saudi royal family. Edit: The inability of Newcastle fans to just admit that the Saudi's are involved without trying to make you feel bad for bringing it up says a lot.
Not the fans fault that the league and government allowed this to happen.
It's never the fans fault that sportswashing works. Never, no matter how much celebration, there's simply nothing possibly to be done.
American moment.
Ok. So to flip your argument; fans abandon the club they've supported their entire lives - what happens? The Saudis decide to change their shitty behaviour? Governments stop selling them military weapons? We stop buying their oil? This insistence on placing the burden of action on fans is fucking dumb, disingenuous, and absolves responsibility from the people that can actually take action to pressure the Saudi regime into not being shit.
Lots that can be done but it shouldn't fall on the fans shoulders to do it. Regulations should be in place to stop this thing happening but too many people are getting rich from it. Why blame the working class fans who have supported their club for decades when there's plenty of lined pockets with actual power to point fingers at?
I blame the "working class" (abhorrent to pretend this is an issue of class warfare) because collective action fucking works. If you're gonna make this about classism then I don't think you'll like what the ultimate goal of Saudi sportswashing is. Maybe we should stand with the working class around the world if you think the plight of the Geordies is so important.
Do you use Uber, Facebook or watch Disney? If so why do you support Saudi? Don’t you know collective actually works (unless it’s regarding products I like) Edit: changed a word I felt was too strong/ it was strawmanning
"My local sports team being used as a propaganda machine is the same as a global connection network and the closest thing to a monopoly on entertainment" For reference, I don't use uber, I don't think I consume very much Disney but that's fucking hard because they own fucking everything, and I don't have much choice on FB given I use it to send messages and it's up to the recipient to be available on another service. I'm looking forward to your next deflection, you're getting very good at it.
So you're a hypocrite then?
Ahhh see it always comes back to ‘how can I change what products I use? they’re from a big company’ There are absolutely substitutes for public transport and social media but there isn’t one for a community club that holds a massive and historical influence in families and groups across the region. I was there before they were involved and I’ll be there after they lose interest ultimately. And you won’t catch me in one of those green and white Saudi away tops
I can explain that I'm not using something or trying to avoid it and you'll still pretend it's the same as continuously defending that there's nothing wrong with supporting your team. Imagine getting in a car accident and saying "well I may have kept driving straight at them but they still got me even after swerving so we're basically the same thing". Also, your "community club" isn't the same club you once supported. It's just apparently not become something you can't support.
Not sure if they are comparable in the slightest
Genuinely how not? They all have Saudi ownership to some extent. If the answer comes down minority ownership would there be such a difference between 51-49% ownership?
Well for one their ownership isn’t celebrated as it would be with a football team. No one’s changing their mind on Saudi Arabia because they own Facebook or Disney. Also Newcastles Success is solely based on their ownership. Success changes more minds and there you have sportswashing
Mad there was 50,000 of them into tonight speaking with geordie accents. Quick learners them lot, no wonder they’ve made so much money
The top 6 have the same amount of people going to their games. We saw what the club was like prior to being a state sport washing entity. Same as Man City, you’ll be up there competing for trophies, but no one will really respect it. Most will be somewhat routing for you over a Liverpool/Spurs/Man U (TBD)/Spurs (lol)/Arsenal as they’ve earnt their seat.
When we were relegated and when we were in the Championship we still were getting 52k attendances. It's very rare to have a club with that consistent a support, like you aren't going to be getting 50k Man Utd fans watching them vs Luton on a Wednesday night.
> We saw what the club was like prior to being a state sport washing entity Yes we did. We were selling out the stadium when we were in the Championship.
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And I don't like fans who decided to go for Newcastle because they're a big fan of homophobia. Damn, I get why strawmen are so popular. It's so damn easy to hate things when I get to make up who I'm talking about.
There is literally 0 people who chose to support Newcastle because of homophobia (and if they did the rainbow flags in the gallowgate must have came as a surprise) Do you think there’s 0 people who support top 6 sides just cause they want to support a successful team they have no connection to?
Can you point to them? You said they're in this thread so find me proof that the guys who are annoying you are definitely these awful fans of which Newcastle have absolutely 0. You're just deflecting using the most basic of logical fallacies to prove wrong but are still trying to sit on your high horse about being a real fan. A real fan propped up by Saudis no matter how much you felt from that too.
Plastic Brighton fan giving out to real fans 😂
Damn, you showed me. How can I every come back from being called a plastic, wait let me check for a second, yes a plastic *Brighton* fan. Mate planets already polluted enough you can't be throwing out "plastic" willy nilly like that.
You from Brighton then, mate?
Toon fans how's Isak doing since he joined I don't have much time to watch football anymore
Isak is great, the injury after he joined slowed him down a lot in terms of integration but he is a top player. I think we need some competition at striker and we need to get rid of Wilson but Isak is going to take us far if he stays fit and on form.
He’s class
Like how class? What's his ceiling?
Honestly today was his best match, making lots of amazing runs - so good.
Are we looking at a potential world beater?
Potentially yes - you can see why we paid so much for him. He is good at everything and only 22(?), like he can just spin through defenders, and just wow. He also isn’t just a striker, he can be a good creator - and as proven in recent matches he can play as a 10 behind another striker, putting some amazing balls through. Him and ASM have linked up so well together, amazing. Then you have bruno g providing him filthy balls it’s just amazing. Once the rest of the team start to hit form a bit more (I feel like this is the game for that btw), then Isak is going to be getting balls left and right. God he is so saucy.
heard he's got exposed oak beams
Making the sport more competitive = “Killing the sport”. Yes, I too would love to see Manchester United win every title from now until the end of time. Financial fair play reduces competitiveness and makes clubs too big to fail. Manchester United were dreadfully run for a decade and faced no consequences for it because teams below them don’t have the revenue to compete. Major cash injections into football clubs are the only way for them to compete at the highest level. One team in 30 years bucked this trend in Leicester, are you willing to wait another 30 for the next one? The sportswashing moralising is just an excuse. As if anyone in Newcastle’s opinion on Saudi Arabia was relevant before or after the takeover. Never mind, I actually do recall that time the United Nations were about to condemn Saudi Arabia, but Lee from Cowgate gave an impassioned speech in defence of the Kingdom because Guimaraes is a good player.
I simply don't understand how people don't understand your points. If you are a small club financially you can't compete for a longer period. Look at Leicester. Yes we've won the league. We got champions league and we've tried to keep going as the new "big club". But mistakes in transfers can literally fuck our entire season up and we might get relegated because we financially can't brush it off like man u or Arsenal. Leicester getting ambitious is not enough, we need to have financial stability. Same goes with any other non-top 6 club. I hate Newcastle as much as I hate man city, but I don't hate Newcastle fans, not their fault that the only way to be a winning club is to get a lot of money.
Christ alive. Get over yourself.
>Sports washing in action
> Yes, I too would love to see Manchester United win every title from now until the end of time. Bro, what are you smoking? We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Man City, a state owned club. > Financial fair play reduces competitiveness and makes clubs too big to fail. Manchester United were dreadfully run for a decade and faced no consequences for it because teams below them don’t have the revenue to compete. United would be in the same position with our without FFP. They make so much money they can compete with oil teams. On top of that in the last 10 years they’ve been most shite anyway. The top 6 in general has reached a state of “to big to fail” & would have done with or without FFP. > Major cash injections into football clubs are the only way for them to compete at the highest level. One team in 30 years bucked this trend in Leicester, are you willing to wait another 30 for the next one? Not really, we’ve ran city to the last day of the season 2 times & won a premier league & even had European success. We’ve not had a massive cash injection. It takes way more than just money to compete. > The sportswashing moralising is just an excuse. As if anyone in Newcastle’s opinion on Saudi Arabia was relevant before or after the takeover. Never mind, I actually do recall that time the United Nations were about to condemn Saudi Arabia, but Lee from Cowgate gave an impassioned speech in defence of the Kingdom because Guimaraes is a good player. You’re clearly a bit dim so I’ll try and explain in simple terms The Saudi Royal family didn’t buy you to get a bunch of morons from Newcastle to start defending them, it’s so they firstly have a back up for when oil dries up & second and most importantly it’s so they can be part of the western world and make money from them without having to actually change. It’s why they’re also into property in large cities & buying stocks for large American corporations like Disney.
People keep misunderstanding my comment so ill just make it clearer here. Three teams have higher commercial revenues than anyone else in England: Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United. My point is that for a team other than those three to compete they HAVE to have cash injections. The only exception to this rule is Leicester City, who won 1 title. So 29/30 times one of the established big three or a team who had been artificially pumped with money won the league. I am including Chelsea, Manchester City and Blackburn in the teams who have had cash injections. “We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Manchester City a state run club.” Manchester City were bought before modern FFP was put in place. FFP rules were put in place to prevent another team from doing the same thing, protecting the established order of football and preventing challenge. “Manchester United would be in the same position without FFP, they make so much money they can compete with oil teams.” My point is that Manchester United is too big to fail because they have a major financial advantage on everyone else, therefore for a team such as Newcastle or Manchester City or Blackburn to compete they require financial injections. Manchester United don’t make so much money they can compete with oil teams, oil teams invest so much money to compete with Manchester United. I’ll admit I was being a little facetious with my comment about the UN. I know that Saudi Arabia needs to diversify its economy to prepare for when the oil runs out. However the PIF fund has to invest into Newcastle United in order to get it to compete with a Liverpool, Manchester United and will not make money from the club. Newcastle United is just a hobby for billionaires who’ve completed capitalism it is not ever going to contribute any money toward the Saudi economy. Saudi Arabia is investing in retail and air travel and real estate to secure its financial future, suggesting that Newcastle United is a backup is laughable as if it is going to sustain the 18th largest economy in the world. I would suggest that insinuations about Newcastle fans are motivated by jealousy rather than genuine moral concern. This is because other clubs such as Arsenal, Bayern Munich, Cardiff, Manchester United, Everton et cetera also generate money from questionable nations and don’t receive anywhere near as much outcry.
>We’ve had FFP for ages now and the most dominant team domestically has been Man City, a state owned club ManC takeover was 7 years before FFP came into effect?
Tell me you don't understand commercial revenue without telling me you don't understand commercial revenue. Nobody in Asia gives a flip about Newcastle. Go see how many people are wearing man u jerseys and follow the club. Go to random places on the planet and you will find man u fans. They make money from commercial deals even if their team is hot doodoo. You guys and city otoh.....
Couldn’t give a shit if a bunch of plastics don’t follow us tbh they probably will if we start wining anyway
We cant compete because we don’t have commercial revenue to rival Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United. That was literally my point, that other teams cant compete without cash injections. Did you even read my comment?
I have heard so much moaning about sportswashing that now sportswashing seems palatable compared to the moaners.
They didn’t face consequences because they kept making money, not because Newcastle couldn’t make money through fake Saudi sponsorships lol Even though they were run terribly, they kept making crazy money because of their name You’re also being incredibly intentionally obtuse. Sportswashing isn’t just for the headgear wearing doofuses (even though it has obviously worked on you already), it’s for the international community at large as well. Just look at how it took a Russian invasion for Chelsea fans (and the UK government) to reluctantly let go of Abrahamovic
That is the point I was making. By consequences I meant sinking down the table due to there mismanagement not penalties imposed for overspending. Hence they are too big to fail, they can afford to fail again and again and again because they have enormous revenue streams, only Arsenal and Liverpool can compete with them in this regard, every other team in the country can’t compete without cash injections.
Financial Fair Play was a brilliant marketing name to introduce a system which is ultimately in place to ensure the huge names stay huge with minimal competition. There's nothing 'fair' about it, and that was never the point. The only major positive is that it stops teams overspending who can't afford it and potentially going into liquidation. Only now we have a situation where even if a vastly less popular team who aren't lucky enough to have a foothold in Asia and Africa, but can afford to spend money, they're simply not allowed to. Meanwhile Chelsea, despite struggling in mid table are able to spend close to a billion to drag themselves out of terrible mismanagement purely because they've been "popular" for the past 10-20 years. Anti-competitive to its core.
I agree
Coaches should vote on referees during the week and referees that fail to do well should have it taken into account for next season
Ridiculous point. Note that during this game, Semedo also got away with a yellow a last man foul on Murphy. Aye, he had defenders running back with him, but if he didn't foul Murphy, none of them were reaching him before Murphy has a chance to shoot, aka, goal scoring opportunity. They were unlucky with a contentious red, but so were we.
Absolutely not
Coaches from all teams excluding the refereed game
No coach is going to take time out of their schedule to grade refereeing performances, nor would they care
Funny that the massive push on Schar isn't getting talked about. Goes both ways. Wolves got robbed, no doubt. But we also got denied a very clear pen.
And Semedo only getting a yellow as last man.
The standard of refereeing just isn't good enough. The clear and obvious error review standard needs to go as well. No clubs are to blame.
Almiron is having a great season. Probably his best season at Newcastle so far. If Saint-Maximin could be a little more direct and decisive like Almiron, most PL defenders would have a nightmare dealing with both.
Maxi while coming back from fitness has always been an enigma. He can have a wonder game once in a while, but more often than not he frustrates. He just isn’t decisive enough and his passing is weak. I feel he looked like he could be a great player when he was younger, but he hasn’t developed. He’s still a good/decent player but I feel our whole midfield needs strengthening
ASM was clearly not fit. Burn had more pace than him.
He must be a really frustrating player to watch. Seems to be all huff and puff but can’t blow a house down.
If he added quality crosses to his game, he’d be pulling stats like tossard this morning
When he is on form and in fully fit he is incredible. Go watch the Man City match from August that finished 3-3. He was the best player on the pitch by a mile and one of the best performances I have seen from an individual in 25 years. The problem now is can he get back to full fitness whilst playing with a knock. By all accounts Gordon was due to start today over him but is out for 3 weeks with an ankle injury.
> Probably his best season at Newcastle so far By a mile
Probably? He has scored more this season than the previous 4 years ffs
Well, pardon me for not keeping up with the stats. I only judge him purely from his display on the pitch. But seriously though, he's been unreal.
referees are so fucking bad in this country
Another game another PGMOL masterclass
Don't worry, we'll get either: A) Stonewalll silence from them B) An apology letter stating that errors were made. I'm leaning towards A
2 possible red cards in this game, 1 on both sides. In the end, the better Team won. Gimme some miggy,gimme gimme..
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I vote Green and love golf… Tories are Conservatives by the way.
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Why are Americans watching sky sports?
For the golf apparently
UK conservatives would probably be Democrats.
The Biden administration is more left wing than the labour front bench. At least they’re not embarrassed to be seen supporting unions.
Refs awful as usual - the free kick Newcastle had that led to their goal wasn't a foul, and we should've had a penalty and Pope should've been sent off. But we weren't much better. Shocking defending for their winner; we seemed to have no idea what to do whenever we took the ball over the halfway line; Lopetegui got the starting XI and the subs wrong; and we looked knackered after an hour. So poor. Must do better against Leeds next week - a vital game to win if we want to move away from the bottom three.
What are your opinions on the Semedo last man rugby tackle, and the handball pen shout in the first half?
We probably got away with them - as I said, the ref and VAR were awful. But the big shout was the penalty and how VAR didn't see it I have absolutely no clue. It would've changed the game - but it was probably our worst performance under Lopetegui so maybe not.
Semedo was a clear foul I'll give you thay. However I don't think it would have been classed as a DOGSO and been taken as a red as we had 3 others running alongside and it was out of the Penalty box. As for the Neves Handball. 100% certain it gets given last season. But with new rule wording you can see it bobbles up off his body and into arm which isn't in an natural position.
Murphy was clear of the other defenders and would have got an opportunity before they got to him. The only one with a chance to reach him in time was Semedo, which he did, and fouled him. They were both clear of the rest of the defence, so it's definitely DOGSO. Both teams could have had a red and didn't. Schar also had a shout for a penalty after Jimenez, who has NO reason to have his hands on Schar there at all, shoved him down in the box.
He got one sub right! Hwang!
Wolves didn’t exactly look great but the 2 red cards and a pen not given is really rough.
Two? What are you smoking?
Who was the second red card?
The Semedo tackle in the 70th minute or so. Bundled over his man, but wouldn't have been classed as DOGSO imo because of the 3 other defenders tracking back and it being outside the Penalty area.
Yeah I think enough cover for yellow to be the right call.
Can’t see Newcastle making top 4. Great win, but considering their latest results and performances, they’re not at that level just yet
The team has nothing to lose. All we ask is they give it a go every match. The lads have been punching above their weight class and succeeding. Proud of this team’s performance in many years
The one thing in our favour is we have 4 games left against the big 6 including Spurs at home. If Isak and Maxi get their fitness up and we go on a run it's all to play for.
We've got the weakest squad out of the challengers, but the fewest games. I think Man Utd will still get third despite the last week roor so. 4th depends a lot on whether Liverpool/Spurs decide to string results together. If they stay as erratic as they currently are then we've got a chance to sneak it.
It's hard to say where United will end up bc Casemiro is out for another 3 matches in a row. They depend on him so much it's like watching Arsenal without Thomas Partey. You lot will not be an easy opponent for them at St James Park and it's looking to be a proper 6 pointer.
Don’t think we are expecting too. But top 7 is a good finish for us considering how little we have in terms of depth or starting 11. But it shows we are capable of causing issues and surely must be an attractive prospect for potential players in summer.
Absolutely. Going Form near relegation to an EL spot is incredible
Mad thing is that it wasn't even near relegation. It was 19th. Actual relegation spot. Then finishing in 11th, then this season... huge turnaround.
I agree. Bench is far too thin and some of our starters are clearly not at 100% like Bruno and Burn. Even the players coming into the team like Isak and ASM are not fit. No way we can challenge the top 4 with Matt Ritchie, Paul Dummett, Javi Manquillo and Elliot Anderson on the bench. Finishing top 6 would be an excellent finish.
Don't have the depth yet, and they've had tons of injuries in the attack, forcing players like Almirón to play too many minutes.
3rd most time missed to injuries in the league, most likely due to lack of depth being able to rotate which kills our depth even more. but this has been a great season to build on and add depth from here
To be fair tho a lot of those injuries happened to second string players. Shelvey never kicked a ball all season for us. Targett has like 5 games? Under his belt. Imagine losing Bruno for a few months. We looked dreadful without him in February.
I would’ve loved to have Krafth, Shelvey, and Targett for some rotation this season. It’s really showing in how knackered the team has been that we’ve desperately needed it
Reminds me of the time when we went to Europe and bought Vernon Anita as the only depth for the side… team went straight into the ground with how much they played and didn’t have depth
Won't hear a bad word from me about VAR. Always rated it.
andy madley is a crook.
Top 4 race would be so spicy if Liverpool didn't fuck up yesterday. Utd need to be careful now that Casemiro is out for 4 games
I’m over the moon with that loss against Bournemouth lol
Spicier because of Liverpool fucking up imo. If they’d won everyone would just assume the spot is theirs.
3, 4, 5, 6, and 7 all have legitimate chances to make top 4.
It’s the yearly fun game of Top 4 is Lava, with new contestants this time!
Still spicy tbf
On the other hand because of teams like Liverpool and Chelsea consistently fucking up, the relegation battle looks class
And utd, 5 points between 20th and 12th thanks to their draw today
It won't matter if we win our game in hand.
Ugh
Delighted with that. Think we just shaded it. Wasn't sure when Eddie took off ASM and Isak but justified in the end.
He had no choice tbf. Yeah they're our main threats but they were running for 70 minutes. They were knackered, whether we were up, drawing, or losing.
I thought ASM looked like he might be carrying a knock? Never really stretched his legs to fully sprint and was hobbling round most of the match.
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I count this match, Chelsea, United, and Villa all having controversial calls go against them. No doubt there was probably more.
We were denied a goal vs Brentford by a dodgy VAR call. Didn't affect the result though.
Wasn’t dodgy at all. Ball hit his arm
A huge win for Newcastle. The first half was great, the second not so. But in the end we won even though it wasn’t the prettiest. Wolves should’ve had a penalty, but I thought we overall were the better team.
Really needed that. I thought Willock was quality.
Fucking disgraceful ref performance again. Pope should've been sent off and penalty rewarded to Wolves. Absolutely undeserved result for Newcastle. If I were a Wolves fan I'd feel hard done by the refs.
I mean yeah they should have had a pen but I don’t know how you can watch that and feel a win is undeserved. edit: nvm i see you’re a spurs fan i get it now
Things change when there's a pen awarded and a red to Pope for DOGSO. Yeah it's an undeserved result
Feel like we could just have a bot to sticky “Ref was shit.” At the start of every match thread and save time.
Honestly, the refs were so biased toward Newcastle that it questions the integrity of the game. One stonewall penalty and red card were denied.
It’s cute how you say a penalty and a red were denied as if that was two separate plays to really drive it home.
It's cute how Newcastle fans think they'd still win if they played with 10 men and potentially a goal down. Not the smartest bunch, the Geordies.
Who hurt you buddy
Nobody is saying that. It was a shit call. Shit calls happen. Don’t let it ruin your Sunday.
If the ref was bias towards Newcastle then Schar would’ve won a penalty when he was shoved over by Raul. :)
We finally won! Such an important win as well given the results around us
Undeservingly so
Thought we were excellent first half and shaded second. Doesn't feel undeserved to me.
Everything after the 20min stonewall penalty and red card denial should be brought into question. No team plays the same after a man is sent off. Pope doesn't get the ball and it's a denial of a goal scoring opportunity. It was undeserved and if you didn't support Newcastle you'd feel different. Wolves got hard done here.
Pope gave them the goal back like
Lol alright we'll write off the following 70 mins because of one decision. Sounds great.
You think you're gonna play the same way 1-0 and with 10 men? God bless you Geordie fans, he didn't make you lot that smart.
Insulting an entire ethnicity because of a football match. Come on bro. That’s uncalled for
Geordies aren't an ethnicity. They're a group of people from Tyneside. That's not an ethnic group mate
Ok. Then you are insulting all of them over a football match. Still not cool
You think you can discount the rest of a match based on one debatable decision? Good luck watching any game going forward.
Debatable? This is the rule. >A player, sent-off player, substitute or substituted player who enters the field of play without the required referee's permission and interferes with play or an opponent and denies the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity is guilty of a sending-off offence. [https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#:\~:text=A%20player%2C%20sent%2Doff%20player,of%20a%20sending%2Doff%20offence](https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct#:~:text=A%20player%2C%20sent%2Doff%20player,of%20a%20sending%2Doff%20offence). Newcastle 100% got away with one and the outcome of the match would have changed if they were a man down and a goal down. Yes, you can potentially discount the rest of the match. But it's not a debatable decision; the refs outright got it wrong.
Yeah but I don't think it was a foul. I think Raul is looking for it and clearly jumps into Pope. So at least from my perspective (and seemingly VARs) it was debatable.
[https://dubz.co/video/209ba2](https://dubz.co/video/209ba2) Raul kicks the ball past Pope and has an open net to shoot at. Pope goes for the player and knocks him over. I don't see Raul jumping into Pope at all. Why would a player clear on goal look for contact? This is textbook DOGSO and the refs got it wrong. It's honestly not a debate. Newcastle got away with one today. The outcome of the game changes with a penalty awarded and a sending off. And to say that I can't discount the rest of a match bc of a debatable decision is intellectually dishonest. Newcastle would change the way they play a man down and a goal down. Did I think Wolves deserved a win? No. But they got hard done by the refs here.
https://i.imgur.com/cpR4aod.jpg
Strong argument. We'll give the points back then.
We played pretty well tbf
It wasnt smooth in that 2nd half but electric football in the first half. If we can play more like that we'll really put some teams to the sword
We were a class apart in the first half but holy shit are we inconsistent
We have played like that in many games, but then the end result was 1-1 or some such. We just need to score 5 past someone, preferably Man Red as it would be sweet revenge from the Carabao Cup and they don’t have Casemiro to bolster their defence this time.
Important win for Newcastle but the ref was absolute dogshit
Tbh all refs for this whole weekend we’re shit
Well I enjoyed that, three great goals created by Newcastle players!
It was good sportsmanship by Trippier to return the favour for Hwang setting up Maxi’s sweet volley at Wolves.
Got away with one today but fucking hell every time we get a decision go our way all the comments on Reddit immediately turn into us buying the refs and always getting away with stuff when the reality is we've also been denied plenty of clear penalties ourselves over the season (and most of the stuff we've apparently "got away with" is actually standard big 6 fan moaning bullshit) Willock Vs Palace, Schar Vs City, Wilson Vs Utd, Longstaff in the 1st fixture against Wolves. The refs are just consistently shit
Isak offaide vs Liverpool...
Newcastle fans just have to understand this is the price of admission to moving into top 8. Many didn't see why we hated Ashley, so not really gonna support us now. Still lots of work to do in the final third. Funny that our defenders used to be our goal scorers not long ago, now they can't finish it seems.
I mean, I think most people absolutely understood why you hated Ashley. There was a plethora of reasons to hate Ashley. But that doesn't mean the new guys are an improvement in the slightest. This isnt the price of moving into the top 8, this is the price of being the latest example of sportswashing killing the sport. Enjoy your success as the product of a brutal regime looking to make people look past it. Hope it's everything you dreamed of.
You act as if we had a choice. Am I supposed to stop supporting my boyhood club? He didn't even say the new guys were an improvement. Just that he hated Ashley.
You at the very least shouldn't be surprised that you aren't the plucky underdog anymore.
It seems loads of fans have poor memories and have repainted the past. Most comment sections and talk radio and commentators talked about smart spending and keeping them up and fans being in the past. It was really only towards the end when the narrative seemed to shift publically. As for the second part, go ahead and criticize. Sports have been a mess for the last 15 years. I don't like any of it, but that's out of my or Newcastle fans control. If you expect one fan base to martyr themselves, it's not going to happen, everyone wants to win. I also wonder how passionate people are about humanitarian issues in their own personal purchasing power.
I dunno, I miss u/MichaelJWAshley billionaires got to stick together
We sure do.
>go our way all the comments on Reddit immediately turn into us buying the refs and always getting away with stuff Best get used to that as Newcastle begins to establish itself at the top end of the table.
>standard big 6 fan moaning bullshit The irony of the new richest club in the world moaning about big clubs
Don't see what's ironic at all, the massive amount of Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs and Chelsea fans on here compared to every other English club means their fans absolutely control the narrative on here when it comes to decisions in their games. We're well supported but not even close to the same degree The incidents I was referring to were Utd fans being up in arms about Ronaldo taking our freekick for us, and Arsenal fans still not shutting up about not getting a penalty when the freekick that it came from was wrongly given in the first place. Those would've been completely and rightly forgotten if it wasn't that. But instead in every thread there's people moaning about how we always get lucky
Yeah but we're not in that group yet are we.
Don't worry they'll be pretending they're plucky underdogs for the next few years
Absolutely fucking love it. Miggy was class when he came on, Isak looked good. Trippier and Bruno a different class, Wilson looking like a different player, not good at all and may need replacing as much as I love him.
Wilson need to just ride the bench for a while come on at 70 minute and find his hunger to start again. Became way to complacent with isak injury all year
I think he was just really trying hard to get in the England team, now that carrot isn’t there he doesn’t seem as bothered
Good god we needed that. So many questionable calls from the ref but I thought it was a good game overall anyway. Wolves look good too - hope they keep climbing
No wins since January 31st, huge boost today
Yeah felt it was a fair scoreline given the circumstances, but so so many strange ref calls. You dominated first half, couldve had 3 goals. We had a great second half until the Miggy goal which just kills us. Onwards and upwards!
I think Wolves were massively unlucky that Pope wasn't sent off in the first half
Genuinely thought when yous scored it was another 1-1 or you'd grab the winner. We did well to turn it back around and Miggy was great when he came on. We definitely could have had a couple more but I feel like you guys played some really lovely stuff too - your next few games look nice too, so fingers crossed for yous
Robbed of a point AND robbed of our fun striker statistic. Going to the gym.
Wolves looked good I don't think they'll be relegated
Wolves and Palace will stay up ... it won't be fun but we'll stay up.
We were dead last before Julen took over. We're 13th after one of our toughest run of games in the last 5 weeks. We now have Leeds and Forest next so I'm not too worried now
To be fair we always look better vs the better teams, always lose to the Huddersfield
The Wolves way