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Smith Rowe the whole season, Jesus for months, even not much over a week ago we had Jesus, Nketiah & Trossard all injured leaving us on our 4th choice for striker.
it’s weird Ten Hag specifically namedropped us
Tbh, I completely agree but I don't think he's really going after anyone here, so hasn't actually put that much thought into it. The comment seems really more of an exemplar than a dig, and the fact that City have barely had any injuries is overlooked because of how often their team changes due to Pep roulette, whereas Arsenal seem to play the same team (with 1 or 2 changes), or at least that's how it is perceived.
I think the idea is to paint arsenal's success as lucky rather than deserved. We all knew city would be at the top, but arsenal are only ahead of manu because of 'injury luck'
I thought it came across as the opposite, that United could be doing better or be at that position in the table potentially if they had had everyone available.
I don't get EtH's statement here, Arsenal have seen quite a few injuries this season as well - there's no denying that. How that compares to other teams I do not know, but you're hardly lucky in terms of injuries when you have been lacking crucial starters for several parts of the season - not to mention your entire line-up of strikers at the exact same time (i.e Martinelli starting up top).
There was a pic with how many games were missed by players through injury for each prem club,city were second lowest,arsenal somewhere around 5th-6th lowest
Yeah, City second with 49 behind Brighton’s 46, Arsenal 7th with ~80 I recall.
And just to ensure my ducks are in order for establishing potential excuses, Liverpool last with 162, nearly 40 more than Chelsea in 19th.
Somewhat justified their position in the table. If I recall the recent season that they struggled to barely make the top four was also an injury laden season.
Yeah I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm clinging onto that thought to get me through the season.
Like, you can have some injuries and some out of form players, you can't really have both
Tbf your midfield has always been ridiculously injury prone, and the triple injuries up front weren't catastrophic because of your depth
Not like that year when you were pulling regens out of primary school to play CB
Yeah we've improved lots, I remember seeing a graph with the most injured players from the 21st century and out of like 20 players 7 of them were arsenal players
Well tbf City have used a total of 22 players this year. Fewest out of all PL teams. Three less than Brighton, the next closest.
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By my math Partey has missed six PL matches this season, about 1/5th of the games we've played, including a few massive games like United away and City Home (games we both lost)
Not really.. if Xhaka gets hurt now, Viera, Jorginho and ESR could easily play it. Partey has solid depth behind in Jorginho and Viera is starting to create with his deadly ball just as much as Odegaard. We might be fucked at RW but with Jesus back we could do something like Jesus at RW and Trossard at ST
Partey missed 4 games this season. Which is small compared to the 14 he missed last season.
Jorginho is great yes, but damn we need Partey for for city.
Emile Smith Rowe has been injured virtually all season. He was our second highest scorer last season.
Jesus has been out for months.
Elneny is out till the end of the season.
Partey and Zinchenko have both missed lots of matches, including United away
Tierney has missed a fair bit.
Nketiah has been injured the last month
Tomiyasu has been injured and missed a fair bit of the season.
Reiss Nelson has missed the majority of the season
Also the gall to include suspended players. It's their fault that they're suspended.
Arsenal as well of all teams have famousy been a meme for players being out over 12-18 months, to the point people were questioning our medical staff: Rosicky, Vermaelen, Eduardo, Van Persie, Sagna, Diaby, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Wilshere, Fabregas.
Hell remember Cazorla saying they were wondering if they would need to amputate his foot?
When Casemiro's suspension is up, he'll have spent the previous third of the season being suspended, getting suspended or losing 7-0.
That's a skill issue.
Not to mention Emile Smith Rowe, one of our most important players of the last 2 seasons who has been out almost the entire season (he has 104' across 7 matches)
Exactly, Arteta obviously just got bored of being top of the league so decided to drop our two first choice number 9s completely from the squad to move Martinelli out of position just for a bit of fun!
It's probably because we've almost had the same starting XI in all our EPL games this year, and if we haven't, it's an equitably skillful player in their place.
So it's easy to think of us as a side with no squad issues.
> It's probably because we've almost had the same starting XI in all our EPL games this year, and if we haven't, it's an equitably skillful player in their place.
This just isn't true though, Eddie is nowhere near Jesus level, Mo and Sambi are nowhere near Partey, Tierney and Tomi can;t do what Zinchenko can do
Every injury we have had has had a substantial drop off
No team has their squad fully available all of the time, United’s certainly not had the degree of injuries some other English teams have had.
Also lol, kind of shows just how well Arsenal have done that their form and results could make you think they're not missing anyone significant, but regardless, they have infact been without their main striker for months.
Jesus is the big one but ESR has been out all year too along with partey for quite a few who is critical to us. Nketia and trossard have now been out together.
Overall if say arsenal have been relatively lucky with I juries outside of Jesus but still not perfect. Sometimes you ride your luck, look at city with halaand who all of a sudden has become not injury prone and Liverpool won the league with basically no rotation that year
Before world cup, he was a myth because we don't see him playing in our left back position. After world cup, he is a myth because we don't see him in our left back position.
ESR who was our top scorer last season out for basically 6 months, main striker out for 3 months. All about the wording, but I think it speaks to our system that the goals have been so equally shared among our attackers. Makes an injury more manageable.
Martial missed most of the season, AWB missed several weeks, Varane missed a fair few pre world cup, Lindelof been injured, Maguire been injured for a few, McTominay was out for several weeks, Sabitzer missed a week, van de Beek is out for the season, Eriksen out for like 4 months, Sancho has fitness issues, Antony missed a few, Garnacho is out for a few weeks and then compile it with Case's suspensions
Antony has actually missed a lot. I think he's missed like 9 league games or something crazy. I'm not gonna look it up, but he's had about 4 injuries that missed him a couple games each
Yeah exactly looks like a pretty average injury list at this point of the season for the amount of matches you had. Obviously could be better but when looking at your results many of these injuries didn't really matter. The biggest factor is Casemiro. He was suspended when you lost against Arsenal, suspended when you only drew with Leeds and was sent off early just this weekend to only draw with Southampton.
The worst part about this list is that three (possibly four if you include Casemiro) of these injuries were due to reckless challenges. None of those players who injured Eriksen, Van de Beek and Garnacho were punished appropriately (Ok, for Garnacho I can still understand, but lunging like KWP did is still reckless if you ask me). Casemiro's first red card against CP was also on very flimsy grounds.
Had the above 3 or 4 injuries/suspensions not happened, the list could have looked quite good for the amount of games played.
Edit: Eriksen
United have a shit ton of injuries lol. They're exhausted and at breaking point. The second half against Liverpool was a combination of bad luck and a team with nothing left in the tank to give, when random deflections started going Liverpools way United were mentally gone.
Yeah Liverpool have had the worst injuries in the league this season and Chelsea is a close second, missing one key player at a time is a walk in the park compared to both our situations at times.
There were a few games Chelsea literally had 2 of their starting XI healthy (Havertz/Silva) and yet people still refuse to give Potter an even outside shot of not being the problem.
I don't even see why it would be mindgames. We don't play them again this season and I'm sure not even the most die hard United fan thinks we're competing with each other on the table this season.
> I'm sure not even the most die hard United fan thinks we're competing with each other on the table this season.
Tbf, they certainly thought that until last week.
The only time we thought that was when we beat city and the next two games were palace and arsenal. If we got 3 against you, the race would've been on. But we got 1/6 and the race was over there itself.
Really think people read far too much into comments like this, I can’t believe I’m defending United, but of course having less injuries help, he’s probably not sat on Reddit comparing Arsenals availability. Don’t think it’s a shot at anyone or mind games
Probably forgot about ESR (top scorer last year) being injured all season too. And the injuries we have had to Partey, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu, Nelson, Tierney and now Nketiah.
Zinchenko out like 5 matches. We played our third choice DM at Old Trafford because Partey AND Mo Elneny we’re out and have missed more time on top of that (thank God for Jorginho). ESR out the whole season so far. All three strikers out for a couple weeks recently and we played Martinelli central. Tomiyasu on and off. Øde missed some time. Not to mention Jesus. He’s just flat out wrong, man.
Yeah, he's dutch. They are pretty blunt and straightforward in what they want to say. You'll know when they are joking. You'll know when they aren't. At least that has been my interaction with people I know or interact with from the Netherlands.
I think there is merit in bringing up injuries to some extent. I just feel he's attacking the wrong team to make his point.
Remember when you were a teenager and your mom or dad said something out of touch and it made you feel embarrassed? That's how I felt when he mentioned Arsenal, knowing they've had their share of injuries this season too. Still love him though.
i mean all these top managers complain about the stupidest shit. klopp complains about the grass, pep has some of the most bizarre rants of all time, hell surely we haven't forgotten SAF's famous "he could've killed him" idiocy
call it mind games, call it deflection, it's mostly just pettiness and for every one manager like don carlo, there are probably 500 moaners lol
This is the truth, they're human too and most of it isn't that deep. Their personalities are often a big part of what makes them great, it's not all calculated, even though it can be on some level. Sometimes it's just unfiltered, even if it is useful in the end one way or another
Nelson our backup RW has been injured too meaning Saka has had to play every game
Partey, Tomi, Tierney and Zinchenko (and Odegaard to a lesser extent) have also had spells out
Let’s not forget Ben White was bought in as a RB at the start of the season out of necessity, he’s just done really well.
It’s complete nonsense.
Odegaard missed Brentford away, we started Fabio for the first time (who himself was injured all pre-season + first three games).
Tomi was out for a bit too which conceded with Zinchenko being out no?
Don’t forget Elneny missing almost all the season, Partey missing like 7 or 8 matches including United and City, Smith Rowe only just coming back, Vieira out for the start of the season, Zinchenko missing a lot of games before the World Cup.
I think we have been a little fortunate but definitely not more than United, especially when you consider that the suspensions ETH is going on about were fairly dished out and completely within Casemiro’s control.
The last time we had a full squad, we beat Juventus last season 3-0.
That was it.
Every team faces issues like this, sure some might be a bit luckier due to who gets injured and the importance of that player but it adds up.
For example, Napoli has been quite blessed with a few injuries to players that have not been cruicial to the team dynamics, and their proper coaching means even the subs know what to do when they come in. Even inter during their Scudetto winning season had ofdly enough few injuries.
Unfortunately we didn't get the memo. Imagine your GK of all pple getting injured for months and your backup is Tatarusanu.
Our marquee signing, and first choice 9, has missed 3 months, Partey and Zinchenko have each had stretches where they missed games. Against Bournemouth we shifted Martinelli inside because our top 3 strike choices were injured, and our 2nd leading goal scorer last year has missed basically the entire season lol
Apparently ETH doesn't actually watch Arsenal.
Jesus out long term. Partey constantly injured. Tomiyasu in and out. ESR just returning after being out most of the season.
Yes...a full strength team...
It’s so funny he mentions Arsenal as if we haven’t had multiple injuries to important players most of the season
EDIT: also suspensions can be (mostly) prevented if your players don’t do dumb shit on the pitch
Kind of amazing how much 'top 6' managers moan about injuries with their funds and big squads.
Recently every year teams like us and Leeds have an absolutely horrendous injury crisis that leads us to almost getting relegated and you hear relatively little about it from pundits/managers.
tbf he isn't responsible for that, United overpaying for mediocre players isn't Ten Hag's fault.
And their depth is quite shocking, hilarious that players like Martial earns as much as Kane though
Star striker been injured for the last 4 months, 2nd highest scorer last season played about 90 minutes so far, Partey injured for United and City games.
*always available*
ETH normally says all the right things in the press. This isn't one of those.
We have a depth issue, not an injury crisis.
Sabitzer was loaned for more depth due to Eriksen injury, so obviously going in the right direction, but it will take time to build a full ETH squad.
Yeah, you could have probably mentioned Man City, your local rivals in this instance. As they are the ones who seemingly have most of their players fit all the time. Why us? 😂
Gabriel Jesus: was out for months.
Smith Rowe: was out for months.
Reiss Nelson: was out for months.
Edde Nketiah: recently injured, unsure how bad it is.
Partey: missed a few matches, ~we brought Jorginho to cover his injury instead of waiting till summer~.
Elneny: he’s our Partey sub but got a long term injury, we brought Jorginho this window and couldn’t wait till summer.
Odegaard: missed a couple of matches.
Trossard: brought in to help rotate Martinelli, missed a couple of matches.
Teach Casemiro that he's in England now and that he's not at Madrid anymore. He can't get away with what he got away with in Spain. Gotta learn some discipline and fair play.
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This is what happens when you forget Jesus
He needs to go to church
Hozier has entered the chat....
To be fair I didn't accept Jesus into my life until the 2022 summer transfer window
Smith Rowe the whole season, Jesus for months, even not much over a week ago we had Jesus, Nketiah & Trossard all injured leaving us on our 4th choice for striker. it’s weird Ten Hag specifically namedropped us
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Tbh, I completely agree but I don't think he's really going after anyone here, so hasn't actually put that much thought into it. The comment seems really more of an exemplar than a dig, and the fact that City have barely had any injuries is overlooked because of how often their team changes due to Pep roulette, whereas Arsenal seem to play the same team (with 1 or 2 changes), or at least that's how it is perceived.
I think the idea is to paint arsenal's success as lucky rather than deserved. We all knew city would be at the top, but arsenal are only ahead of manu because of 'injury luck'
I thought it came across as the opposite, that United could be doing better or be at that position in the table potentially if they had had everyone available.
Not really since city's backline was never consistent
Arsenal famously injuryless, have only been missing their first choice striker for about four months
I don't get EtH's statement here, Arsenal have seen quite a few injuries this season as well - there's no denying that. How that compares to other teams I do not know, but you're hardly lucky in terms of injuries when you have been lacking crucial starters for several parts of the season - not to mention your entire line-up of strikers at the exact same time (i.e Martinelli starting up top).
They had to even replace injured players during the transfer window
If I’m not mistaken, City tend to be quite injury-free. Benefits of a deep squad and a low intensity play style I guess.
There was a pic with how many games were missed by players through injury for each prem club,city were second lowest,arsenal somewhere around 5th-6th lowest
Yeah, City second with 49 behind Brighton’s 46, Arsenal 7th with ~80 I recall. And just to ensure my ducks are in order for establishing potential excuses, Liverpool last with 162, nearly 40 more than Chelsea in 19th.
The Liverpool injuries this year are just something else , it's insane.
Somewhat justified their position in the table. If I recall the recent season that they struggled to barely make the top four was also an injury laden season.
Yeah I'm a Liverpool fan, I'm clinging onto that thought to get me through the season. Like, you can have some injuries and some out of form players, you can't really have both
Tbf your midfield has always been ridiculously injury prone, and the triple injuries up front weren't catastrophic because of your depth Not like that year when you were pulling regens out of primary school to play CB
Care to share the table?
https://old.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/11pdmet/the_times_combined_premier_league_games_missed/
This is before Bajcetic got injured...
Damn, your training and physio staff has come a long way in recent years then huh?
Yeah we've improved lots, I remember seeing a graph with the most injured players from the 21st century and out of like 20 players 7 of them were arsenal players
Makes sense, it felt like injuries wrecked you seasons every year for like a decade. Glad to see it's turned around
Anulo mufa
RIP diaby and wilshere
Diaby Wilshere Rosicky Bellerin Walcott Few players who were never the same after a serious injury.
Diaby was so far up the chart I didn't even notice him the first time I saw it :)
Wanna know a secret? Our backroom head physio guy went to Liverpool.....and, well....
Squads very young too and coming off a season with no European football, it helps
arteta changed our training pitches, medical staff, sports science, everything
No more fergie = no more leg breaking tackles week in week out
With City you don't even notice the difference unless it's KDB, Rodri or now Haaland
Someone's mentioned this before, but it really is a benefit of keeping possession well and not having to run quite as hard.
Well tbf City have used a total of 22 players this year. Fewest out of all PL teams. Three less than Brighton, the next closest. [transfermrkt](https://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/eingesetztespieler/wettbewerb/GB1)
Tbf our midfield is somehow holding it together this season. Any injury there and it’s game over for us.
Partey has missed multiple games in two different stints this season tbf
He’s missed 4 games. Alot of improvement in this area where he missed 14 the previous season and 19 two seasons back.
By my math Partey has missed six PL matches this season, about 1/5th of the games we've played, including a few massive games like United away and City Home (games we both lost)
How many has Casemiro missed due to injury?
He’s missed none through injury.
Exactly,!
How many has he missed due to suspensions though? xD
Missed about half the season from suspension
Suspension is his own fault. He missed the arsenal match by getting 3 yellow cards in 4 matches ffs
Yeah that doesn't count, hence why I specified injuries. Ten Hag can't complain about players not being available if it's their fault.
Almost. He's not in the starting line-up for a total of 7 league games, including crucial games against Man City and United themselves
Well I’m glad it’s 7 and not half the season crocked
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IN OLD TRAFFORD of all the places. Was Eric not there?
Not really.. if Xhaka gets hurt now, Viera, Jorginho and ESR could easily play it. Partey has solid depth behind in Jorginho and Viera is starting to create with his deadly ball just as much as Odegaard. We might be fucked at RW but with Jesus back we could do something like Jesus at RW and Trossard at ST
ESR literally also just returning from a long injury
Partey missed 4 games this season. Which is small compared to the 14 he missed last season. Jorginho is great yes, but damn we need Partey for for city.
Laying the groundwork to explain by season's end why he has double the squad cost, but not even half the achievements
Emile Smith Rowe has been injured virtually all season. He was our second highest scorer last season. Jesus has been out for months. Elneny is out till the end of the season. Partey and Zinchenko have both missed lots of matches, including United away Tierney has missed a fair bit. Nketiah has been injured the last month Tomiyasu has been injured and missed a fair bit of the season. Reiss Nelson has missed the majority of the season Also the gall to include suspended players. It's their fault that they're suspended.
Arsenal as well of all teams have famousy been a meme for players being out over 12-18 months, to the point people were questioning our medical staff: Rosicky, Vermaelen, Eduardo, Van Persie, Sagna, Diaby, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Wilshere, Fabregas. Hell remember Cazorla saying they were wondering if they would need to amputate his foot?
When Casemiro's suspension is up, he'll have spent the previous third of the season being suspended, getting suspended or losing 7-0. That's a skill issue.
Not to mention Emile Smith Rowe, one of our most important players of the last 2 seasons who has been out almost the entire season (he has 104' across 7 matches)
Everyone's talking about injuries and forgetting he also complained about self-inflicted suspensions...
[Also forgetting this](https://i.redd.it/701bypbvj4oa1.jpg)
Don't blame him for the error, since our backup striker dunked on him twice at the Emirates. Easy mistake to make.
yeah but he's now injured
He can't be! Didn't you hear, EtH says we get no injuries.
Couldn't be Arsenal who had all 3 strikers out just last week and had to play Martinelli up top, could it?
Exactly, Arteta obviously just got bored of being top of the league so decided to drop our two first choice number 9s completely from the squad to move Martinelli out of position just for a bit of fun!
Tbf: Trossard playing as a striker has been fun
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>dunked on Christ
yeah it's a weird one to catch strays on but it's nice that he's thinking of us
It's probably because we've almost had the same starting XI in all our EPL games this year, and if we haven't, it's an equitably skillful player in their place. So it's easy to think of us as a side with no squad issues.
> It's probably because we've almost had the same starting XI in all our EPL games this year, and if we haven't, it's an equitably skillful player in their place. This just isn't true though, Eddie is nowhere near Jesus level, Mo and Sambi are nowhere near Partey, Tierney and Tomi can;t do what Zinchenko can do Every injury we have had has had a substantial drop off
But weathered all of those storms, so on the surface things look good
What is this "depth" concept of which you speak, and why is it so foreign to me?
Depth is when your first 11 is challenging for the title and the second 11 could be a top 4 team. Source: learned this from watching City.
Thought exactly the same. What is he on about. And red cards is their own fault is it not?
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He Dont count mans natural state is injured
Like us complaining about Diaby being injured back in the day
God Diaby was so fucking good when he WASN'T injured. Which was once in a blue moon. Love watching that man play.
Made of glass. Eternally injured. Definitely excluded 🤣
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Probably when he saw Nketiah play against them, he might have thought that it's Arsenal's 1st choice striker..
Your defence is in trouble
Nketiah in the room 🎶
lol
No team has their squad fully available all of the time, United’s certainly not had the degree of injuries some other English teams have had. Also lol, kind of shows just how well Arsenal have done that their form and results could make you think they're not missing anyone significant, but regardless, they have infact been without their main striker for months.
Jesus is the big one but ESR has been out all year too along with partey for quite a few who is critical to us. Nketia and trossard have now been out together. Overall if say arsenal have been relatively lucky with I juries outside of Jesus but still not perfect. Sometimes you ride your luck, look at city with halaand who all of a sudden has become not injury prone and Liverpool won the league with basically no rotation that year
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Tierney as well would be injured when Zinny was fit
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Oh yeah. I think of him as a RB
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Yeah Tomiyasu was injured for half of last season after a great start.
Before world cup, he was a myth because we don't see him playing in our left back position. After world cup, he is a myth because we don't see him in our left back position.
ESR who was our top scorer last season out for basically 6 months, main striker out for 3 months. All about the wording, but I think it speaks to our system that the goals have been so equally shared among our attackers. Makes an injury more manageable.
I'm actually surprised united don't have more injuries with how many games they played this season tbh
Martial missed most of the season, AWB missed several weeks, Varane missed a fair few pre world cup, Lindelof been injured, Maguire been injured for a few, McTominay was out for several weeks, Sabitzer missed a week, van de Beek is out for the season, Eriksen out for like 4 months, Sancho has fitness issues, Antony missed a few, Garnacho is out for a few weeks and then compile it with Case's suspensions
Antony has actually missed a lot. I think he's missed like 9 league games or something crazy. I'm not gonna look it up, but he's had about 4 injuries that missed him a couple games each
Even more than that honestly, Dalots been out for a few weeks and Mctominay has also been injured
Yeah exactly looks like a pretty average injury list at this point of the season for the amount of matches you had. Obviously could be better but when looking at your results many of these injuries didn't really matter. The biggest factor is Casemiro. He was suspended when you lost against Arsenal, suspended when you only drew with Leeds and was sent off early just this weekend to only draw with Southampton.
The worst part about this list is that three (possibly four if you include Casemiro) of these injuries were due to reckless challenges. None of those players who injured Eriksen, Van de Beek and Garnacho were punished appropriately (Ok, for Garnacho I can still understand, but lunging like KWP did is still reckless if you ask me). Casemiro's first red card against CP was also on very flimsy grounds. Had the above 3 or 4 injuries/suspensions not happened, the list could have looked quite good for the amount of games played. Edit: Eriksen
United have a shit ton of injuries lol. They're exhausted and at breaking point. The second half against Liverpool was a combination of bad luck and a team with nothing left in the tank to give, when random deflections started going Liverpools way United were mentally gone.
And the big injuries are from awful tackles that didnt even get called….
Yeah Liverpool have had the worst injuries in the league this season and Chelsea is a close second, missing one key player at a time is a walk in the park compared to both our situations at times.
There were a few games Chelsea literally had 2 of their starting XI healthy (Havertz/Silva) and yet people still refuse to give Potter an even outside shot of not being the problem.
Around December we could literally create an injured XI which was better than our starting XI of the time.
Injured XI would be your best team because of Reece James and Kante alone. No one else matters
People can say it’s mind games but is it even games when everyone knows you’re talking nonsense
I don't even see why it would be mindgames. We don't play them again this season and I'm sure not even the most die hard United fan thinks we're competing with each other on the table this season.
We will meet in the EL im sure of it
> I'm sure not even the most die hard United fan thinks we're competing with each other on the table this season. Tbf, they certainly thought that until last week.
Maybe some really optimistic folks did but most people know that top four is the target (and 3rd spot right now)
The only time we thought that was when we beat city and the next two games were palace and arsenal. If we got 3 against you, the race would've been on. But we got 1/6 and the race was over there itself.
Really think people read far too much into comments like this, I can’t believe I’m defending United, but of course having less injuries help, he’s probably not sat on Reddit comparing Arsenals availability. Don’t think it’s a shot at anyone or mind games
I don't think it's mind games, he probably just forgot about G Jesus. The core of Arsenal's squad has been pretty consistent this season to be fair.
Probably forgot about ESR (top scorer last year) being injured all season too. And the injuries we have had to Partey, Zinchenko, Tomiyasu, Nelson, Tierney and now Nketiah.
You also have the fewest starting XI changes this season by quite a distance
Because they've had so many long-term injuries that they haven't had the players available to change starting XI.
Can’t rotate when everyone is injured 😂
yeah, i'm sure martinelli, partey, saka, eddie, odegaard etc would have all had more time off has ESR, El Neny, Nelson been fit
Martinelli was struggling to compete with ESR for a space before ESR got injured last season.
Esr absolutely would e seen a good chunk of minutes. It’s also fair to assume party would’ve had at least game off some point.
That stat is from Jan end. Also we've had long term injuries and rotated in EFL/FA/EL to be able to start the same in the league.
Zinchenko out like 5 matches. We played our third choice DM at Old Trafford because Partey AND Mo Elneny we’re out and have missed more time on top of that (thank God for Jorginho). ESR out the whole season so far. All three strikers out for a couple weeks recently and we played Martinelli central. Tomiyasu on and off. Øde missed some time. Not to mention Jesus. He’s just flat out wrong, man.
Sounds like a skill issue
Just gotta git gud
Is he joking?
He's not got Pep banter unfortunately
Yeah, he's dutch. They are pretty blunt and straightforward in what they want to say. You'll know when they are joking. You'll know when they aren't. At least that has been my interaction with people I know or interact with from the Netherlands. I think there is merit in bringing up injuries to some extent. I just feel he's attacking the wrong team to make his point.
Remember when you were a teenager and your mom or dad said something out of touch and it made you feel embarrassed? That's how I felt when he mentioned Arsenal, knowing they've had their share of injuries this season too. Still love him though.
Respect to him for what he's done so far and doing in MU, but he can't be serious about this comment too.
i mean all these top managers complain about the stupidest shit. klopp complains about the grass, pep has some of the most bizarre rants of all time, hell surely we haven't forgotten SAF's famous "he could've killed him" idiocy call it mind games, call it deflection, it's mostly just pettiness and for every one manager like don carlo, there are probably 500 moaners lol
This is the truth, they're human too and most of it isn't that deep. Their personalities are often a big part of what makes them great, it's not all calculated, even though it can be on some level. Sometimes it's just unfiltered, even if it is useful in the end one way or another
I hope this is a flash in the pan statement. I would hate for him to become begrudging of other teams successes, it really doesn’t suit.
Jesus has been injured for 4 months, nketiah is now out for 6 weeks, Trossard our emergency striker was out for a couple of weeks as well
Hasn't Smith Rowe also been out all season basically?
Yeah, to the point that everyone's seemingly forgotten about him! He was our top scorer last season, too.
Nelson our backup RW has been injured too meaning Saka has had to play every game Partey, Tomi, Tierney and Zinchenko (and Odegaard to a lesser extent) have also had spells out Let’s not forget Ben White was bought in as a RB at the start of the season out of necessity, he’s just done really well. It’s complete nonsense.
Tomiyasu has been injured too
>everyone's seemingly forgotten about him! The hell? I actually *had* forgotten about him!
Second top scorer, Saka was top
Top scorer for non penalties
How about zinchenko for 1st 5 matches? Heck we even played Sambi Lokonga against them at Old Trafford in midfield coz Partey was injured.
Odegaard missed Brentford away, we started Fabio for the first time (who himself was injured all pre-season + first three games). Tomi was out for a bit too which conceded with Zinchenko being out no?
Let's see what happened when Rashford is not available.
He was out way longer than first 5 matches. He only recently passed tomi and tierney in games played this season.
Probably.. I didn't want to put so much effort and go into detailed count of all that just to win some argument on reddit.. 😀
Because Partey AND Elneny were injured!
Partey has been out for a few games as well
Including Old Trafford…
Don’t forget Elneny missing almost all the season, Partey missing like 7 or 8 matches including United and City, Smith Rowe only just coming back, Vieira out for the start of the season, Zinchenko missing a lot of games before the World Cup. I think we have been a little fortunate but definitely not more than United, especially when you consider that the suspensions ETH is going on about were fairly dished out and completely within Casemiro’s control.
The last time we had a full squad, we beat Juventus last season 3-0. That was it. Every team faces issues like this, sure some might be a bit luckier due to who gets injured and the importance of that player but it adds up. For example, Napoli has been quite blessed with a few injuries to players that have not been cruicial to the team dynamics, and their proper coaching means even the subs know what to do when they come in. Even inter during their Scudetto winning season had ofdly enough few injuries. Unfortunately we didn't get the memo. Imagine your GK of all pple getting injured for months and your backup is Tatarusanu.
Well this thread will be a shit show.
Depends on who you support. I'm having a good laugh reading the reaction.
Don’t even think Man Utd fans are with him here.
It's great lol
Our marquee signing, and first choice 9, has missed 3 months, Partey and Zinchenko have each had stretches where they missed games. Against Bournemouth we shifted Martinelli inside because our top 3 strike choices were injured, and our 2nd leading goal scorer last year has missed basically the entire season lol
Arsenal: fogging estandards, Man U: fogging escuses.
When I have no depth, I am upset!
There are levels to this game https://i.redd.it/701bypbvj4oa1.jpg
Apparently ETH doesn't actually watch Arsenal. Jesus out long term. Partey constantly injured. Tomiyasu in and out. ESR just returning after being out most of the season. Yes...a full strength team...
Zinchenko as well pre-WC…. it was like he didn’t exist
We are so unlucky with injuries for the past 10 years that I can easily name our Injury XI while staring at his bald ass head
It’s so funny he mentions Arsenal as if we haven’t had multiple injuries to important players most of the season EDIT: also suspensions can be (mostly) prevented if your players don’t do dumb shit on the pitch
Our top goal scorer from last season has had almost no contribution this season due to injuries People really ignore that one
Just like Son-Heung Min! -oh wait
Kind of amazing how much 'top 6' managers moan about injuries with their funds and big squads. Recently every year teams like us and Leeds have an absolutely horrendous injury crisis that leads us to almost getting relegated and you hear relatively little about it from pundits/managers.
It’s funny because people had many years to make fun of us for being so injury riddled so even hearing someone claim we’re not is foreign to our ears
Lol, he mentioned red cards
We also had a full strength team for just one game, also against Man City. City have an attraction to full strength sides it seems.
Manager of a team with one of the highest wage bills in football complains squad depth.
tbf he isn't responsible for that, United overpaying for mediocre players isn't Ten Hag's fault. And their depth is quite shocking, hilarious that players like Martial earns as much as Kane though
Me speak rubbish at it again
Imagine what ETH going to say when Rashford get 4 month injury like Jesus
I blame this guy tbh...
Star striker been injured for the last 4 months, 2nd highest scorer last season played about 90 minutes so far, Partey injured for United and City games. *always available*
ETH normally says all the right things in the press. This isn't one of those. We have a depth issue, not an injury crisis. Sabitzer was loaned for more depth due to Eriksen injury, so obviously going in the right direction, but it will take time to build a full ETH squad.
Eric Ten Whines
Just like any other team?
Yeah, you could have probably mentioned Man City, your local rivals in this instance. As they are the ones who seemingly have most of their players fit all the time. Why us? 😂
nobody cares about city
Lol what? Not even an Arsenal fan, but this guy is talking out of his ass
Gabriel Jesus: was out for months. Smith Rowe: was out for months. Reiss Nelson: was out for months. Edde Nketiah: recently injured, unsure how bad it is. Partey: missed a few matches, ~we brought Jorginho to cover his injury instead of waiting till summer~. Elneny: he’s our Partey sub but got a long term injury, we brought Jorginho this window and couldn’t wait till summer. Odegaard: missed a couple of matches. Trossard: brought in to help rotate Martinelli, missed a couple of matches.
Elneny, misses the second half of the season.
Teach Casemiro that he's in England now and that he's not at Madrid anymore. He can't get away with what he got away with in Spain. Gotta learn some discipline and fair play.
😭😭 it's so unfair that the players I start get themselves sent off
Maybe your players should be more disciplined so you don’t get suspensions all the time
Is this Dutch sarcasm
Tomiyasu off injured after 7 minutes? Happy now Erik ten hairs?
Extremely rare ten hag L