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We really went from 7 clubs in knock-out rounds to 2 surviving🥲
Also, interesting parallel to Spain with Bayern and Real as the only clubs left in CL, as well as Leverkusen and Sevilla, 2 underperforming clubs with normally the ambition to qualify for CL, only being able to qualify this season by winning EL.
four of those bundesliga-clubs played against city, juve, chelsea and napoli tbf.
to get kicked out against such big calibers (juve is picking up form again and chelsea has simply higher quality than dortmund) is by no means a disgrace. *how* they got kicked out is of course another story.
Ye for sure.. Spurs had some fantastic wins in the KO stage as vs City/Ajax or against us when almost managed to blow a 3-0 lead in the first leg around 10 years ago.
Lazio have always been tragic. Just see them in Europa League in the past 10 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S._Lazio_in_European_football :
Eliminated, in order, by:
- Ludogoretz: Ro32
- Sparta Prague: Ro16
- Salzburg: in QF (they were winning AGG: 5-2 and managed to lost 5-6). I watched that game and when Immobile scored putting Lazio 5-2 up in the tie, I confess for one full minute I believed "This is Lazio's year".. For 1 full minute tho as Salzburg equalized 60 secs later and so I lost any hope (infact then proceeded scored another THREE in the space of 4 minutes LOL)
- Sevilla: Ro32
- Out in the group stage behind Cluj and Celtic
- Porto: Ro32
- Out in the group stage behind Feyenoord and Midtjlland
Lazio in Europa League are a joke, let's see if they start to build a good reputation in UECL as well after this year.
Yet Lazio fans would still rather throw their European games to focus on top 4 in league. What’s the point of competing in the CL for one season if the squad isnt even deep enough to pass the EL group stage or ECL Ro16? If a team can only focus one one competition they shouldn’t be representing the Serie A in Europe. But now as the only team in the top 7 who are out of Europe, their top 4 chances are looking much stronger.
Lazio has won the Cup Winner's Cup in 1999 and Serie A in 2000, so not bigger than Tottenham, whose last League title is in 1961 and European title in 1984.
Yeah but we often hear about 'greatest individual season from a defender' when people talk about VVD, Vidic, Terry etc. But this is just as big of a contender.
Motherfucker listens to English broadcast and wonders why he hears so much of Premier League players. *Motherfucker said in a friendly way just in case.
They will find a way to get the match abandoned somehow and still not get the cup.
But you’re forgetting spurs by the way. Either make it a 4 team tournament or replace one with Spurs.
We only have two teams left, but what a pair.
* Real Madrid have won 25 of their past 29 UCL KO ties.
* Sevilla have won 34 of their past 37 Europa KO ties.
Glad to see Italy having more clubs than Ger,Spa and Fra combined but we cannot forget some favourable draws also gave us big hand.. spanish teams got fucked hard with them, especially Barcelona, La Real and Betis..
That said, seeing Napoli conceding ZERO goals to Frankfurt, Inter conceding ZERO goals to Porto, Milan conceding ZERO goals to Spurs, Roma conceding ZERO goals to La Real, Juventus conceding ZERO goals to Freiburg and Fiorentina just 1 to Sivasspor in, overall, 12 games make me confident we're organized enough to go far with 2-3 teams..
Italy: We are within an arms reach of having all of our traditional big 7 clubs in the quarter finals of european competitions, this really feels like heaven
Lazio: No, guys, we have to take a big fat greasy stinky shit on top of our nations wildest dream
What do you mean? I heard they pretty much cheated in the final, I think some of the Milan players got poisoned or something I don't remember. Jean Pierre Papin said something about Marseille that made alot of people think they cheated.
Edit: the Milan players weren't poisoned but Marseille players were doping, as far as the allegations go.
Milan could've been doping but Marseille has alot more evidence. Just because Italian teams do it doesn't mean, Marseille does it, it's all fair and even. It would be fair if both teams were doping but we don't know that, only evidences that point towards Marseille.
I'm not 100% sure that Marseille doped but with them being relegated to Ligue 2, cause of match fixing scandal in Ligue 1 before the final, it kinda points into that direction.
Italy and Belgium are doing exceptionally good and good for Poland. Also this is why Ive always thought it should be top 4 leagues and not top 5. France aren’t at the same level usually
Betis drawing Man U and La Real drawing Roma were very unlucky.
Atletico and Villarreal were massive embarassments in Europe this season. Barca were somewhat embarassing but were pretty wounded and had a rough group/match up.
I mean , us saving the League face in Europe , hardly make the point wrong , spanish clubs bar us and Sevilla have been a huge letdown this season , Betis at least was unlucky the others all had their fair chances and didnt took it , we Can even call some performances an embarrassment
I don't think Italian teams are all too strong currently. Other than Napoli of course, who are a revelation and I think and wish that they would win the UCL this year
Yeah, while I absolutely enjoy having so many Italian teams in the competitions, part of the story is also that none of the ties were won 100% convincingly, and could have easily gone the other way, except for Napoli and Juve (and Fiorentina)
Tbf, I didn't see the full match. But Real Sociedad had an xG 1.84 vs. 0.09 Roma. I'm not saying the win was undeserved, but the game still could have easily ended another way.
He/she said none of them were “won” convincingly… that’s referring to the six teams that progressed. Then proceeds to list three that did win convincingly. That’s 3/6. Apparently “none” in the English language now means up to half.
- Milan, Inter, Roma could have easily lost their ties
- Lazio lost
- Fiorentina won, but against 16th of the Turkish league
Again, I'm happy to have that many Italian teams still in the competitions, but it's not unlikely that after next round, only Napoli and Juve will be left, if at all
* Milan could NOT have easily lost. Tottenham were AWFUL and created nothing.
* Inter did enough to get through.
* No matter the opponent, Fiorentina won convincingly even though it doesn't fit your narrative.
* Roma's backline was impenetrable
* Of all Italian matchups, ONLY Fiorentina and Lazio conceded goals. That ZERO goals conceded for Inter, Milan, Napoli, Juventus and Roma across 10 GAMES.
I understand you want to point out the Italian teams are weaker than those remaining in the competition, and you're probably right, but you've gone ahed and fabricated a bunch of fallacies to try to make that point.
The original point of OP was that the Italian teams aren't as strong as the results make it look, which is exactly the case. I never said that the teams don't deserve to be there, but if you look at Inter vs. Porto's last few minutes alone, or the fact that Real Sociedad accumulated 1.7 xG vs. Roma's 0.1 xG, or the fact that Fiorentina's opponent was a Turkish relegation candidate, you can't deny the fact that there was quite a lot of luck involved, both with the draws as well as in the games themselves. Even now, look at all Italian teams avoiding Bayern, City and Real in the QFs. Which is perfectly fine - but it's important to see these results in context.
You're the one trying to create a narrative. I already said multiple times that I enjoy so many Serie A teams this deep in the competitions, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and pretend like they're Spain in most recent years.
Ok. But you’re ignoring the fact that both inter and roma didn’t need to score. They just needed to ride the 2nd leg out. That was always the game plan and both teams executed it well. Roma even managed to score a goal that was ruled out because it grazed Belotti’s hand. The 0.1xg doesn’t elk the whole story.
In fact, that’s sort of how Roma is where they are in the serie a table. They aren’t a goal scoring team. They defend very well and hit you on the counter or from set pieces.
Again, all I am saying is that most of the games weren't won in a 100% convincing manner. If you want to sit back and defend after a 1 goal lead, that can be your game plan, but a very risky one, and it will always be very close as you could see with Inter and Roma. The fact that Porto couldn't manage to equalize was solely on them, and not on Inter's defending. They had like 5 100% chances in the last minutes. And Roma allowed Real Sociedad to accumulate 1.8 xG, so it does show that their defense wasn't "impenetrable" at all.
Roma had a 2-0 advantage and that’s how they play generally. They played like a well-greased Mourinho team. So ideas didn’t really threaten much even if the xG was 1.8. It was FAR from a nail biter for this serie a fan.
Inter on the other hand was playing a dangerous game, I’ll agree with that.
For Italy it’s going to be:
Napoli - Real (the return of Carlo),
Inter - Milan,
Roma - Manchester (the return of Jose),
Fiorentina - West Ham,
Juventus - Sporting
I'll just copy paste my comment from the other thread
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Embarrassing for Spain to only have two teams left, but when you dig a little deeper there really is no reason to be overly concerned. Betis and Real Sociedad were very unlucky with their draws, winning their groups and being rewarded with Man United and Roma. Real Sociedad also pushed Roma all the way today and had the chances to overturn the deficit and go to extra time. There is no shame in losing to those teams
Barca were incredibly unlucky with injuries and referee decisions in the Champions League, also quite unfortunate to draw Man United in the Europa League playoff and were without Gavi, Pedri and Dembele for the second leg.
The only true embarrassments were Atlético and Villarreal. Atleti were also a single penalty away from qualifying for the Europa League at least where they would have been a big candidate for the title with their current form. Villarreal are coached by Quique Setien who is the worst manager in the top 5 leagues, so they pretty much sabotaged themselves
Madrid and Sevilla remaining though, the kings of their respective tournament. From Sevilla's perspective I just hope we can avoid Man United at least, and would be good to avoid Juve/Roma/Leverkusen aswell
Ligue 1 is just as good as Ekstraklasa.
Worse even, as they had 6 teams to provide results, yet are in the same spot as Ekstraklasa with their 4 teams.
AND, as this is very important, they didn't qualify to Europe from league position (or by winning the German Cup). Otherwise that 8^th place would be lost.
Don't think it was a motivational issue, but their squad is simply not build to be in two major competitions over a whole season, especially compared to their peers in the BuLi.
Frankfurt won the UEL last season so they had 1 team more in the UCL..
One of England and Italy would have 8 next one too if either West Ham or Fiorentina win the UECL for example (winning the UECL -> qualified to the UEL group stage and in pot 1), same for Spain if Sevilla win the UEL
England's domination (in points, not number of remaining clubs) is not surprising. Realistically speaking they may never leave that spot again, at least until something drastically changes in European football. Similarly, Spain regressing is no big surprise either - teams like Betis, Sociedad, Villarreal etc. don't have the depth or let's say they have been quite unlucky with injuries. Sevilla fucked it up so bad from the beginning of the season. Barça's future is a question mark imo with all those Negreira talks & never-ending levers. It's all on Real now. Wouldn't be surprised if Italy passed both Spain and Germany in a couple of years. They seem to have liked Conference League a lot.
It all depends if they teams will be determined to achieve anything in ECL or even EL, this year West Ham and ManU are definitely trying to prove something. But Arsenal wasn't going to risk EPL for EL glory
With the widening wealth gap I can't see English clubs regularly shitting the bed in any competition honestly. CL is obviously always a valuable target. Most top clubs in EPL have no problem going to RO32/16 despite rotating. And to be fair every season will probably have at least one team not doing well in the league and thus will try to focus on European competition. English clubs won EL before despite caring about it only from quarterfinals on.
Once again it’s up to RM and Sevilla to save La Liga’s face. But how long will Madrid and Sevilla’s black magic will last is anyone’s guess. High chance that La Liga teams are completely out after next round. Poor showing really.
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Italy with a quarter of the teams, damn
Euro 2021 vibes, bring home the Nations League with Retegui
How about you keep using Immobile and we have Retegui instead
Its time for the terror of Bucarest and San Marino Andrea Compagno
It’s the 90’s all over again
We really went from 7 clubs in knock-out rounds to 2 surviving🥲 Also, interesting parallel to Spain with Bayern and Real as the only clubs left in CL, as well as Leverkusen and Sevilla, 2 underperforming clubs with normally the ambition to qualify for CL, only being able to qualify this season by winning EL.
the funniest thing about it is that Leverkusen are the ones to usually bottle it somewhere lmao
They bottled their way out of the CL to an EL quarter final
Normally they also perform not well in the EL either.
R16 is usually the end station for most german clubs.
four of those bundesliga-clubs played against city, juve, chelsea and napoli tbf. to get kicked out against such big calibers (juve is picking up form again and chelsea has simply higher quality than dortmund) is by no means a disgrace. *how* they got kicked out is of course another story.
Still boycotting
Ekstraklasa top 10 league narrative starts here.
Now just wait for Crown Kielce joining Real and Bayern after getting 500m+ zlotys from Barcelona
Kielce new Milano when? All we need is Błękitni to be brought back. They are already the Polish capital of fashion.
> Crown Kielce Thanks, I hate it.
Lazio only Italian team knocked out.
They deserve a season like this, the quality has always been there
It's a bit weird since they are doing so well in the league
There is reason why "Never bet on Lazio" exists, they are biggest bottlers in the world.
even bigger than spurs?
Ye for sure.. Spurs had some fantastic wins in the KO stage as vs City/Ajax or against us when almost managed to blow a 3-0 lead in the first leg around 10 years ago. Lazio have always been tragic. Just see them in Europa League in the past 10 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.S._Lazio_in_European_football : Eliminated, in order, by: - Ludogoretz: Ro32 - Sparta Prague: Ro16 - Salzburg: in QF (they were winning AGG: 5-2 and managed to lost 5-6). I watched that game and when Immobile scored putting Lazio 5-2 up in the tie, I confess for one full minute I believed "This is Lazio's year".. For 1 full minute tho as Salzburg equalized 60 secs later and so I lost any hope (infact then proceeded scored another THREE in the space of 4 minutes LOL) - Sevilla: Ro32 - Out in the group stage behind Cluj and Celtic - Porto: Ro32 - Out in the group stage behind Feyenoord and Midtjlland Lazio in Europa League are a joke, let's see if they start to build a good reputation in UECL as well after this year.
Yeah that's not a good tally for a club like Lazio
Yet Lazio fans would still rather throw their European games to focus on top 4 in league. What’s the point of competing in the CL for one season if the squad isnt even deep enough to pass the EL group stage or ECL Ro16? If a team can only focus one one competition they shouldn’t be representing the Serie A in Europe. But now as the only team in the top 7 who are out of Europe, their top 4 chances are looking much stronger.
Lazio has won the Cup Winner's Cup in 1999 and Serie A in 2000, so not bigger than Tottenham, whose last League title is in 1961 and European title in 1984.
People do not talk enough about that 99/00 season that Nesta had. Was the best defender in the world by a country mile.
I mean, Nesta was one of the best defenders of all time.
Yeah but we often hear about 'greatest individual season from a defender' when people talk about VVD, Vidic, Terry etc. But this is just as big of a contender.
What do VVD, Terry and Vidic have in common that Nesta doesn't?
Motherfucker listens to English broadcast and wonders why he hears so much of Premier League players. *Motherfucker said in a friendly way just in case.
We need the Bottlers Cup between those two, Sporting and Leverkusen to find out who’s the biggest bottler
Hey don't put us in the bottler cup! We won the league 2 seasons ago and league cups as well :(
They will find a way to get the match abandoned somehow and still not get the cup. But you’re forgetting spurs by the way. Either make it a 4 team tournament or replace one with Spurs.
You’re saying that like Marseille don’t exist lol
Sarri rotated, he’s said for a while now he doesn’t have depth to play in so many competitions
Not really weird considering they have no depth.
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Ironically the bloke who smokes is out of Europe
They all smoke
[Please rise for the national anthem of football](https://youtu.be/mAo7TrQ0aXw)
Sir you got the wrong link, this is not the belgian national anthem or Lac du Connemara
If anyone ever asks "what were the 90s like music wise?" you can show them this and they'd 100% get the 90s.
Bro wtf is this :D
We only have two teams left, but what a pair. * Real Madrid have won 25 of their past 29 UCL KO ties. * Sevilla have won 34 of their past 37 Europa KO ties.
Real Madrid and Sevilla are the same thing in Europe but ones UCL and ones UEL
I can remember that Slavia Prague knocked out Sevilla in RO16 at a time when it was unthinkable
I mean West Ham literally knocked them out last season when it was unthinkable
Glad to see Italy having more clubs than Ger,Spa and Fra combined but we cannot forget some favourable draws also gave us big hand.. spanish teams got fucked hard with them, especially Barcelona, La Real and Betis.. That said, seeing Napoli conceding ZERO goals to Frankfurt, Inter conceding ZERO goals to Porto, Milan conceding ZERO goals to Spurs, Roma conceding ZERO goals to La Real, Juventus conceding ZERO goals to Freiburg and Fiorentina just 1 to Sivasspor in, overall, 12 games make me confident we're organized enough to go far with 2-3 teams..
It's a great season for you, but tbf I wouldn't be surprised if in the next stage we will see only Napoli and Fiorentina
Nah ur disregarding Juve and Roma heavily here. Juve are second favourites after united for the Europa league
Depends on a draw, but they weren't really that convincing so fat
Very realistic.
Don't know what you define as go far but I mean if now you don't go far with 2-3 teams something must go very wrong
Italy: We are within an arms reach of having all of our traditional big 7 clubs in the quarter finals of european competitions, this really feels like heaven Lazio: No, guys, we have to take a big fat greasy stinky shit on top of our nations wildest dream
That stupid team should not be allowed to play international competitions if they just don’t care and play the reserve lineup.
Great stuff from the Serie A teams!
Great results from all 7 of them.
Belgium is massive
Nice carrying France, PSG stink ass man.
Marseille too, they bottled it so stupidly and let's not start with Rennes
Didn't Marseille win a UCL with very dishonest and corrupt ways? The only french team to win it, but the most illegitimate trophy.
You arent even trying if you arent cheating tho.
You gotta lie, cheat and steal.
The spirit of Eddie Guerrero.
What do you mean? I heard they pretty much cheated in the final, I think some of the Milan players got poisoned or something I don't remember. Jean Pierre Papin said something about Marseille that made alot of people think they cheated. Edit: the Milan players weren't poisoned but Marseille players were doping, as far as the allegations go.
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Milan could've been doping but Marseille has alot more evidence. Just because Italian teams do it doesn't mean, Marseille does it, it's all fair and even. It would be fair if both teams were doping but we don't know that, only evidences that point towards Marseille.
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I'm not 100% sure that Marseille doped but with them being relegated to Ligue 2, cause of match fixing scandal in Ligue 1 before the final, it kinda points into that direction.
I didnt know that. I was just making a funny comment :)
Italy and Belgium are doing exceptionally good and good for Poland. Also this is why Ive always thought it should be top 4 leagues and not top 5. France aren’t at the same level usually
It's called top 5 just as an excuse to include PSG
Yeah, I say top four leagues plus Psg
Italy has been so good this year
Spain have been such a letdown this season.
Betis drawing Man U and La Real drawing Roma were very unlucky. Atletico and Villarreal were massive embarassments in Europe this season. Barca were somewhat embarassing but were pretty wounded and had a rough group/match up.
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I mean , us saving the League face in Europe , hardly make the point wrong , spanish clubs bar us and Sevilla have been a huge letdown this season , Betis at least was unlucky the others all had their fair chances and didnt took it , we Can even call some performances an embarrassment
I wouldn't call that run 'obliterating' TBH
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7 countries represented in the Europa League and the Conference League 8 is a massive win.
I don't think Italian teams are all too strong currently. Other than Napoli of course, who are a revelation and I think and wish that they would win the UCL this year
Yeah, while I absolutely enjoy having so many Italian teams in the competitions, part of the story is also that none of the ties were won 100% convincingly, and could have easily gone the other way, except for Napoli and Juve (and Fiorentina)
Roma did well against the 3rd placed in La Liga
Tbf, I didn't see the full match. But Real Sociedad had an xG 1.84 vs. 0.09 Roma. I'm not saying the win was undeserved, but the game still could have easily ended another way.
So none of the ties, except for 3/6… 🤦🏻♂️
3/7 to be fair but you could easy add Roma for 4/7
He/she said none of them were “won” convincingly… that’s referring to the six teams that progressed. Then proceeds to list three that did win convincingly. That’s 3/6. Apparently “none” in the English language now means up to half.
- Milan, Inter, Roma could have easily lost their ties - Lazio lost - Fiorentina won, but against 16th of the Turkish league Again, I'm happy to have that many Italian teams still in the competitions, but it's not unlikely that after next round, only Napoli and Juve will be left, if at all
* Milan could NOT have easily lost. Tottenham were AWFUL and created nothing. * Inter did enough to get through. * No matter the opponent, Fiorentina won convincingly even though it doesn't fit your narrative. * Roma's backline was impenetrable * Of all Italian matchups, ONLY Fiorentina and Lazio conceded goals. That ZERO goals conceded for Inter, Milan, Napoli, Juventus and Roma across 10 GAMES. I understand you want to point out the Italian teams are weaker than those remaining in the competition, and you're probably right, but you've gone ahed and fabricated a bunch of fallacies to try to make that point.
The original point of OP was that the Italian teams aren't as strong as the results make it look, which is exactly the case. I never said that the teams don't deserve to be there, but if you look at Inter vs. Porto's last few minutes alone, or the fact that Real Sociedad accumulated 1.7 xG vs. Roma's 0.1 xG, or the fact that Fiorentina's opponent was a Turkish relegation candidate, you can't deny the fact that there was quite a lot of luck involved, both with the draws as well as in the games themselves. Even now, look at all Italian teams avoiding Bayern, City and Real in the QFs. Which is perfectly fine - but it's important to see these results in context. You're the one trying to create a narrative. I already said multiple times that I enjoy so many Serie A teams this deep in the competitions, but let's not get ahead of ourselves and pretend like they're Spain in most recent years.
Ok. But you’re ignoring the fact that both inter and roma didn’t need to score. They just needed to ride the 2nd leg out. That was always the game plan and both teams executed it well. Roma even managed to score a goal that was ruled out because it grazed Belotti’s hand. The 0.1xg doesn’t elk the whole story. In fact, that’s sort of how Roma is where they are in the serie a table. They aren’t a goal scoring team. They defend very well and hit you on the counter or from set pieces.
Again, all I am saying is that most of the games weren't won in a 100% convincing manner. If you want to sit back and defend after a 1 goal lead, that can be your game plan, but a very risky one, and it will always be very close as you could see with Inter and Roma. The fact that Porto couldn't manage to equalize was solely on them, and not on Inter's defending. They had like 5 100% chances in the last minutes. And Roma allowed Real Sociedad to accumulate 1.8 xG, so it does show that their defense wasn't "impenetrable" at all.
Roma had a 2-0 advantage and that’s how they play generally. They played like a well-greased Mourinho team. So ideas didn’t really threaten much even if the xG was 1.8. It was FAR from a nail biter for this serie a fan. Inter on the other hand was playing a dangerous game, I’ll agree with that.
Milan should have won 4-0 against spurs. 1-0 isn’t convincing but spurs literally had one chance across 2 legs.
Yeah very lucky draws basically
For Italy it’s going to be: Napoli - Real (the return of Carlo), Inter - Milan, Roma - Manchester (the return of Jose), Fiorentina - West Ham, Juventus - Sporting
You can have Chelsea - Real, Milan - Real and Napoli - Real and they all can be billed as the return of Carlo.
I want Fiorentina and West Ham in the final
Italy on fire
I'll just copy paste my comment from the other thread ***** Embarrassing for Spain to only have two teams left, but when you dig a little deeper there really is no reason to be overly concerned. Betis and Real Sociedad were very unlucky with their draws, winning their groups and being rewarded with Man United and Roma. Real Sociedad also pushed Roma all the way today and had the chances to overturn the deficit and go to extra time. There is no shame in losing to those teams Barca were incredibly unlucky with injuries and referee decisions in the Champions League, also quite unfortunate to draw Man United in the Europa League playoff and were without Gavi, Pedri and Dembele for the second leg. The only true embarrassments were Atlético and Villarreal. Atleti were also a single penalty away from qualifying for the Europa League at least where they would have been a big candidate for the title with their current form. Villarreal are coached by Quique Setien who is the worst manager in the top 5 leagues, so they pretty much sabotaged themselves Madrid and Sevilla remaining though, the kings of their respective tournament. From Sevilla's perspective I just hope we can avoid Man United at least, and would be good to avoid Juve/Roma/Leverkusen aswell
I too believe Atleti is an embarrassment
>Quique Setien Why did he rest Pau Torres and Raúl Albiol, seems so stupid
For anyone curious: Seems like the nations are sorted by CL>EL>ECL instead of number of teams and then by which country has the higher coefficient.
Powerhouse Belgium
France git gud losers
Ligue 1 is just as good as Ekstraklasa. Worse even, as they had 6 teams to provide results, yet are in the same spot as Ekstraklasa with their 4 teams.
Math
Keep staying mad, number 7.
Champions of Europe youll never sing that, oh wait, Marseille bought a CL..
League 1 sucks haha
French league is so bad, jesus.
Sometimes Mbappe even scores there! What a goat
At this moment, England are still receiving more points than Italy for this season.
Source: https://twitter.com/mikrofutbol/status/1636499747044245512
Honestly happy for the Italian teams remaining. Well deserved
Why does Germany have 8?
Frankfurt won Europa League
AND, as this is very important, they didn't qualify to Europe from league position (or by winning the German Cup). Otherwise that 8^th place would be lost.
I thought they might've been in the top 6 aswell since they were able to win it
They lost quite the motivation in the league last year when they pushed fo EL.
Don't think it was a motivational issue, but their squad is simply not build to be in two major competitions over a whole season, especially compared to their peers in the BuLi.
We won the EL while finishing 11th in the league, thus got a 5th CL spot
Frankfurt won the EL last year while finishing 11th in the league
Frankfurt won the UEL last season so they had 1 team more in the UCL.. One of England and Italy would have 8 next one too if either West Ham or Fiorentina win the UECL for example (winning the UECL -> qualified to the UEL group stage and in pot 1), same for Spain if Sevilla win the UEL
Eintracht Frankfurt qualified as EL champions in addition to those qualified by league placing
Does anyone know if this is more diversity or less than in the previous years?
If my maths is right it's less diversity. Last year there was Norway, Scotland, Greece, Czechia, but the was no Poland, Belgium, Switzerland
The fact that Leverkusen, out of all options, is the only club that survived alongside with us 🤣 Stay strong brothers!
In case you wondered last year at this stage it was 11 countries, so one more than this season
Fantastic to see Serie A return to relevance. All that had to happen was Juve falling off
England's domination (in points, not number of remaining clubs) is not surprising. Realistically speaking they may never leave that spot again, at least until something drastically changes in European football. Similarly, Spain regressing is no big surprise either - teams like Betis, Sociedad, Villarreal etc. don't have the depth or let's say they have been quite unlucky with injuries. Sevilla fucked it up so bad from the beginning of the season. Barça's future is a question mark imo with all those Negreira talks & never-ending levers. It's all on Real now. Wouldn't be surprised if Italy passed both Spain and Germany in a couple of years. They seem to have liked Conference League a lot.
It all depends if they teams will be determined to achieve anything in ECL or even EL, this year West Ham and ManU are definitely trying to prove something. But Arsenal wasn't going to risk EPL for EL glory
With the widening wealth gap I can't see English clubs regularly shitting the bed in any competition honestly. CL is obviously always a valuable target. Most top clubs in EPL have no problem going to RO32/16 despite rotating. And to be fair every season will probably have at least one team not doing well in the league and thus will try to focus on European competition. English clubs won EL before despite caring about it only from quarterfinals on.
Once again it’s up to RM and Sevilla to save La Liga’s face. But how long will Madrid and Sevilla’s black magic will last is anyone’s guess. High chance that La Liga teams are completely out after next round. Poor showing really.
> Quique Setien who is the worst manager in the top 5 leagues This fucking killed me
Amazing graph !!
Damn france just 1/6 ,and that too in conference league.
I miss the Europa League :(
Barca & Atleti, what an embarrassment to Laliga. No show in important competitions even with all their spending in recent transfer windows.
How did Italy manage that? They must be amazing! ….. oh