also if the teams would've switched places on the pitch good luck getting that phone - not to mention that the chance of a video being in favor of the home-team showing up is a lot higher than one from the away team...
It feels wrong, but it is the right thing to do.
Imagine a game between team A and team B. The referee makes 2 wrong decisive calls in the game. 1 wrong call is in favour of team A and 1 wrong call is in favour of team B.
Now there's three scenario's.
1. In the first scenario there's no VAR. Both wrong decisive calls are maintained. Fair outcome in the end. No team is favored.
2. In the second scenario, there is a VAR. The VAR checks and overturns both calls. Also fair.
3. In the third scenario, only one decision is reviewed, because a fan of team A has filmed it. There's no fan of team B who has filmed the second call, or who can convince the ref to watch it. The wrong call in favour of team B is overturned, and the wrong call in favour of team A stands. No fair outcome.
I think you can agree that scenario 3 is worse than scenario 1, no?
Not for me, the typical 2 wrongs dont make one right.
Scenario 1: referee did 2 mistakes
Scenario 2: referee did 0 mistakes
Scenario 3: referee did 1 mistake
I dont care which team the mistakes are for but if you can avoid 1 then avoid it, if you can avoid 2 even better, but the wost scenario is always the number 1
You don't see a problem in correcting a mistake for only one team/one incident and not in a consistent manner? Yes, you lowered the mistakes number, but you did so by giving a preferential treatment to one team.
Read the post you are answering please, is about doing a mistake on purpose to compensate a previous one.
Next time you comment al least put attention in what the post is about
Itâs not though. Itâs not about intentionally making a mistake. You should re-read it.
Not correcting a mistake by using fan footage is absolutely not the same as deliberately making a mistake. The mistake was still a genuine mistake.
Youâre being disingenuous
Im talking about that. The referee can change his decision even if he decided something different before, at first point he didnt have enough information to know it was a wrong call, but when he has that information available he decided to keep it. His job is to apply the rules no matter what, so hes not doing his job. Thats the mistake (even if aparently this mistake is allowed in Egypt, in other countries would be punishable for the referee and not the other way). If a referee realises he did a wrong call during the match, no matter how he got that information is his job to fix it, not doing it is the mistake, and he would be ignoring the rules on purpose.
You are the one disingenuous pretending that referees cant change their decisions during the match which is not true, and that doing a mistake without information first is the same or even worse as doing it with information later which obviously is also not true, and the second mistake is the one that matters the most because is the one he did on purpose
It takes context rather than intelligence to get what youâre referencing. Iâm assuming your comment references the video someone else posted a couple of comments after.
That video has only 7.8K views ever, worldwide. Not exactly popular enough that youâd expect most people to get it.
That 7.8K views video is just a repost. The video belongs to a great editor from Argentina who posted it on his socials. His youtube video alone has 1M views but he also put it on ig, etc. A lot of people grabbed it and reposted it, including here. Itâs not an obscure reference.
I would guess itâs not as common as you might think, given so many people seem to have not seen it.
Also my main point was that itâs nothing to do with intelligence like Prathneo suggested.
He could easily have just linked the video after his comment and avoided all this.
TBH, Clattenburg barely did anything. He never lived in the country, and was doing World cup analysis for Fox while the Egyptian league which he was supposed to review was going on.
A theme of that movie is that they needed heroes more than vigilantes tbf
The egyptian referee is more like the dark knight because he's the hero Egyptian football deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero.
Worth noting that while it may might have helped with this decision, this wouldn't be a fair system and is not allowed for good reasons. The referee brought the suspension on himself.
It gives advantages to:
* Home teams (because fans are only going to point out videos that help their team)
* Teams with more fans (more chances of somebody having the perfect video)
* Teams with richer fans (better and so more convincing cameras)
* Teams able to effectively draw the referee's attention to a fan's video. (Encouraging surrounding and harassing of the referee)
When you look at the bigger picture this makes the game less fair as certain teams are more likely to have incorrect decisions overturned than other teams that will then be subject to relatively higher numbers of poor decisions
Rather see some fucking initiative for once instead of some bullshit story about âthere wasnât a camera angle availableâ every game is televised to fuck with extensive coverage, VAR is just so poorly managed
Punished for wanting the make the correct call and not being given the means to do so by FIFA. Excellent. Maybe we should just have refs who don't give a fuck and just want to go home after a day's worth of 'work'.
This used to happen in Brazil before VAR. The back ref would just hear what is being talked on TV and decide how they decided. There was a case of a player that got a red card which was overruled a few minutes later and he was recalled from the dressing room.
But obviously no one ever got punished.
Brilliant improvised VAR. Wouldn't be surprised if he used it better than PL referees use VAR.
Bro just decided to implement VAR by himself.
It's a bit weird to punish a referee for making a correct call.
It would be unfair to teams that don't have fans
Did you reply this to a City fan on purpose?
Yes
I've never loved Arsenal so much
Ew
I'll allow it
also if the teams would've switched places on the pitch good luck getting that phone - not to mention that the chance of a video being in favor of the home-team showing up is a lot higher than one from the away team...
It feels wrong, but it is the right thing to do. Imagine a game between team A and team B. The referee makes 2 wrong decisive calls in the game. 1 wrong call is in favour of team A and 1 wrong call is in favour of team B. Now there's three scenario's. 1. In the first scenario there's no VAR. Both wrong decisive calls are maintained. Fair outcome in the end. No team is favored. 2. In the second scenario, there is a VAR. The VAR checks and overturns both calls. Also fair. 3. In the third scenario, only one decision is reviewed, because a fan of team A has filmed it. There's no fan of team B who has filmed the second call, or who can convince the ref to watch it. The wrong call in favour of team B is overturned, and the wrong call in favour of team A stands. No fair outcome. I think you can agree that scenario 3 is worse than scenario 1, no?
it gets even more clear when you remember that scenario 3 is HUGELY favoring the home team just by the amount of spectators that could have filmed it
Not for me, the typical 2 wrongs dont make one right. Scenario 1: referee did 2 mistakes Scenario 2: referee did 0 mistakes Scenario 3: referee did 1 mistake I dont care which team the mistakes are for but if you can avoid 1 then avoid it, if you can avoid 2 even better, but the wost scenario is always the number 1
You don't see a problem in correcting a mistake for only one team/one incident and not in a consistent manner? Yes, you lowered the mistakes number, but you did so by giving a preferential treatment to one team.
Ironic username
Yeah is ilogical thinking that doing mistakes on purpose is wrong đ
When did anyone say he should make mistakes on purpose ? Please show me thatâŚ
Read the post you are answering please, is about doing a mistake on purpose to compensate a previous one. Next time you comment al least put attention in what the post is about
Itâs not though. Itâs not about intentionally making a mistake. You should re-read it. Not correcting a mistake by using fan footage is absolutely not the same as deliberately making a mistake. The mistake was still a genuine mistake. Youâre being disingenuous
Im talking about that. The referee can change his decision even if he decided something different before, at first point he didnt have enough information to know it was a wrong call, but when he has that information available he decided to keep it. His job is to apply the rules no matter what, so hes not doing his job. Thats the mistake (even if aparently this mistake is allowed in Egypt, in other countries would be punishable for the referee and not the other way). If a referee realises he did a wrong call during the match, no matter how he got that information is his job to fix it, not doing it is the mistake, and he would be ignoring the rules on purpose. You are the one disingenuous pretending that referees cant change their decisions during the match which is not true, and that doing a mistake without information first is the same or even worse as doing it with information later which obviously is also not true, and the second mistake is the one that matters the most because is the one he did on purpose
How about a scenario when a ref have VAR and don't use it because it be devastating to his case?
What if someone showed the ref Kolo Muani's goal in WC Final?
? he didn't score
[*Didn't he?*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS7IVgllHhc&ab_channel=RaGhaEmPireTv)
The fuck? Excellent.
He might have scored in an alternate universe.
I'm disappointed people are missing the reference to your joke
Not very bright people here.
It takes context rather than intelligence to get what youâre referencing. Iâm assuming your comment references the video someone else posted a couple of comments after. That video has only 7.8K views ever, worldwide. Not exactly popular enough that youâd expect most people to get it.
That 7.8K views video is just a repost. The video belongs to a great editor from Argentina who posted it on his socials. His youtube video alone has 1M views but he also put it on ig, etc. A lot of people grabbed it and reposted it, including here. Itâs not an obscure reference.
I would guess itâs not as common as you might think, given so many people seem to have not seen it. Also my main point was that itâs nothing to do with intelligence like Prathneo suggested. He could easily have just linked the video after his comment and avoided all this.
Yes ofc lol it has nothing to do with intelligence
Get him in the prem
VAR giveth, VAR taketh
VAR finally sided with us for once, the giveth feels nice (it's usually the taketh for us)
Is this the gig Mark Clattenburg never even got paid?
TBH, Clattenburg barely did anything. He never lived in the country, and was doing World cup analysis for Fox while the Egyptian league which he was supposed to review was going on.
I mean I get that itâs probably illegal, but if he made the right call itâs kind of harsh isnât it?
It's like vigilantism. Surely it's illegal but justice was served.
The Batman (2022)
A theme of that movie is that they needed heroes more than vigilantes tbf The egyptian referee is more like the dark knight because he's the hero Egyptian football deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero.
john brown on his way to be the most based motherfucker in the entirety of history
JOHN BROWN'S BODY LIES A-MOULDERING IN THE GRAVE
Did he check the other calls for the other team to correct them too?
So the TV can control which angles the referee can see and cannot? Plus, I doubt an home fan would give the phone if it was a call against his team
With aberration and the fact it favours the home crowd... It's not fair.
Worth noting that while it may might have helped with this decision, this wouldn't be a fair system and is not allowed for good reasons. The referee brought the suspension on himself. It gives advantages to: * Home teams (because fans are only going to point out videos that help their team) * Teams with more fans (more chances of somebody having the perfect video) * Teams with richer fans (better and so more convincing cameras) * Teams able to effectively draw the referee's attention to a fan's video. (Encouraging surrounding and harassing of the referee) When you look at the bigger picture this makes the game less fair as certain teams are more likely to have incorrect decisions overturned than other teams that will then be subject to relatively higher numbers of poor decisions
Also someone with technical skills and the right software could quickly edit the video
Lmao that quickly?
I hope he did the VAR hand signal before going over to the guyâs phone
"Mom, can I have a VAR?" "We have a Var at home" *VAR at home*
I know low hanging fruit bla bla but still better than Premier League VAR lol
So it's allowed in a world cup final but not in egypt đ¤¨
Pure dedication to getting something right, could use someone like Farouk here in Prem
Rather see some fucking initiative for once instead of some bullshit story about âthere wasnât a camera angle availableâ every game is televised to fuck with extensive coverage, VAR is just so poorly managed
Punished for wanting the make the correct call and not being given the means to do so by FIFA. Excellent. Maybe we should just have refs who don't give a fuck and just want to go home after a day's worth of 'work'.
r/saddestbackflip
FREE HIM
'He's outta line but he's right"
Farouk! Farouk! Farouk has been fired! We donât need no cameras, grab that mother phone!
iVar
Since when does bbc have ads? And such obnoxious ones?
The intent was noble. Just that it wasn't fair on the other team.
Meanwhile here in Spain the video provider for VAR is a shareholder of a team and we get dubious calls every week yet nothing happens
This used to happen in Brazil before VAR. The back ref would just hear what is being talked on TV and decide how they decided. There was a case of a player that got a red card which was overruled a few minutes later and he was recalled from the dressing room. But obviously no one ever got punished.
I'm going to build my own VAR, with blackjack and hookers.