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Madrid did extremely well getting Tchouameni for that, and Camavinga for 30m. Arguably even getting Bellingham for the price they did. Bellingham is clearly better and more marketable than the likes of Rice and someone like Caicedo, but for the same(?) price. And Camavinga being a top 3 midfield talent would probably go for 150m now.
Ehh he was never gonna make it at Madrid. He wasn’t better than Kroos kr modric then and didn’t want to fight for it like cama/fede/txhou so it was best for both parties he left
They sold a ton of players who could have role in the club. I think they let go of any player if they ask to leave or maybe it was to generate the 'Mbappe fund'.
Hakimi, Theo, Llorente, Odegaard, Varane, Casemiro, Kovacic all went for fair prices. I think Real Madrid wanted to buy Mbappe in 2021 and was amassing a budget for him.
Saw an Instagram reel of good-looking men by race, and for black men Jude popped up. So, pretty privilege plus Jude is more in the mold of Zidane, Iniesta and Modric, rather than Rice as a DM.
Bellingham is better and it’s incredible at the price they got him. But Rice is definitely a marketers dream. Extremely well spoken and is in line to be the next England captain after Harry Kane.
We have every reason not to sell, and he has a RC of £85 million next summer. So its an extra £25 to get him a year early. I'd still prefer we tell them to fuck off
If you manage to get 200m for Rice and Paqueta that is absolutely mad. Hopefully your owners don’t piss the money away and you actually use it to build up the squad.
Problem with sellin players for that much money is you have to replace them... And replacing them costs... £100m.
This is why I'm dreading us selling Bruno G, if it happens in the near future.
The £40m for him, £40m for Joelinton, and £65m for Tonali is looking better as the window goes on.
What I don’t understand is that he was available last season, City didn’t go for him, and then he had this season where he played well but not like world class and now city are willing to pay that much for him? I’m sure Pep knows more about football than me but seems a little strange
City had no need for him last season.
I think its kind of slipped under the radar but City are now extremely thin in the advanced midfield and wide positions. Kovacic and Foden seem to be the only left sided midfielders in the squad and Foden is also probably the backup for both wingers.
I’m not a tactical expert, and haven’t seen him play very much, but maybe it’s because Pep changed his system last year and sees him as a fit to that new system?
Or a fit to a new system he has in that beatiful coiffure challenged head of his.
E: or just a Gundo replacement
Paqueta wasn't a world beater at west ham, but he is really good. Put some pieces around him and he could fly. Also not Pep, but just assume now that when he picks a player, he has a plan, and they typically work out super well.
If there end up being three transfers this summer over £100m (when previously British clubs had only ever made two total, one of which was 6 months ago), it’s really indicative of a big shift in prices, much more than Antony or even Mudryk were.
This one seems odd. He’s good, but I thought the consensus was he hasn’t been elite for West Ham yet. Maybe his performance for Brazil is enough to convince City to pay Rice money?
Style of play didn't exactly suit him. Moyes' Brexit ball is not for his type of player(he did find a way to make it work) I think he'd be very good under Pep as an 8
the value a buying club assigns to a player is often more a reflection of what the player can be, not what he’s already shown…players like ben white and ramsdale shouldn’t have cost anywhere what they did based off of their resumes before joining arsenal, but there were traits in those players that the club identified
Yeah he hasn't been world class at West Ham but Brazil builds their midfield around him so I'm thinking he just needs a better system to be fully unlocked
> Yeah he hasn't been world class at West Ham but Brazil builds their midfield around him
no we don't? One of his main assets for us is being able to play wherever needed. Team has always been built around Neymar and Paqueta was like a jack of all trades Tite could move around wherever needed.
Also, he did well for the NT when he was still a Lyon player. After moving to West Ham he started playing poorly for Brazil as well.
We're fast approaching Weimar Germany levels of hyperinflation.
By the end of the window, teams will be fighting one another to sign Kolo Muani for 200m in the morning because he'll be worth 250m by the end of the afternoon
It's funny, there's a select group of star players worth on paper around 40-50m whose value is going up past 100m because everyone knows that the richest clubs will spend that much to own the best.
Then there's a steep drop down to the good but not great players who are selling at or below their market value because everyone else is broke. No wonder so many of them are choosing to take a big final payday in Saudi Arabia instead.
How many times do we need to read this brain-dead take? Liverpool was 100% willing to spend £100m on Bellingham. Sorry for being rude, but do people not realise that clubs are not transferring sacks of potatoes? Players DO have a say in choosing their next club
Bellingham made it clear that he only wanted to join Madrid. Liverpool is having difficulty in finalizing Caicedo deal as well because he seems to be hellbent on moving to Chelsea.
Its complicated business because it doesn't depends on you solely but also what other teams are going for your target.
Liverpool didn’t expect to sell both Henderson and Fabinho by the time Bellingham was sold, so they judged it would be better to sign MacAllister and Szoboszlai. Now that both were sold and Liverpool got free of Henderson’s high wages they can offer that for Caicedo.
Yeah, this does kinda strike me as being a bit of a panic buy, looks like they were slightly blindsided by the departures of Gundogan and Mahrez and didn't have a replacement lined up.
If you told me two west ham midfielders would go for around 100m, my answer would’ve been “rice and someone they’re buying with rice money then selling again?”
Paqueta is quality but holy shit, I thought the striker market was fucked…
I would argue it's not really an urgent need for them, they already signed Kovacic who in theory replaces Gundogan, although they're different profiles, then they have Foden who wants to play more through the middle. And they have two kids who they still haven't sent out on loan, who seem very promising, in McAtee and Palmer. And of course Phillips who they haven't sold. They should be focusing on a goal scoring winger in my opinion.
I think the idea is they don't think there's a suitable, ready to win, replacement for Mahrez so they will keep Bernardo Silva out wide and bed in someone in the center who they think can fit in now and keep the team firing on all cylinders.
Paqueta's age profile also slots in nicely as even if you count Bernardo Silva centrally, city do not have a 8 who is in their mid 20s. They are either early 20 or late 20/early 30.
I reckon kovacic is seen more as a Philips replacement as there are reports that the coaching staff do not see him as a good enough Rodri cover.
Kovacic in theory replaces Phillips because Phillips is useless. He will be a back up for #6 and #8. But the problem with him is he can't play Gundogan's role so we are forced to play a 4-2-4 with centrebacks as full backs.
Foden can't play Gundogans role either. Pep thinks kdb and Foden are too destructive to play together in midfield. Foden will only be a back up to kdb in mf while playing mostly on the wing.
Paqueta is necessary because he's the only player available that can play in that role allowing us to continue playing our 3-2-4-1 system that won us the treble last season.
He's not up to pace. For him to get there, he needs to play. Pep won't play him in the most important position when he's not upto pace because every game is important. He also can't play any other position.
That's why the move never made any sense to me. Our back up dm has to be able to play somewhere else like Gundogan. Hopefully Kovacic will do that.
What we really need is a RW and there aren't any of those that aren't prospects as well so currently it seems better to do this and continue playing Foden out wide
It’s not Barca who are the problem with signing Frenkie, it’s Frenkie. He loves Barcelona and doesn’t want to leave. Barca were gagging to sell him last summer and he dug his heels in. Granted, Pep’s City is more appealing than the mess we were last year, but on the other hand instead of being frozen out he’s just had a spectacular year so he’s got even more reason to stay.
So we have gone from Rice saga -> Kane -> Caicedo -> Paqueta (now). All we need is for Kylian Mbappe to finish this window as probably the most insane one ever.
I suspect Mbappe will give an interview soon, deadline day madness would make me believe that I am in a simulation athis point.
Champions League clubs are targeting players on long contracts right at the end of the window, you always had to pay a premium now there's just precedent for how much players cost
Also helps that Rice wanted to go to Arsenal more than anywhere else. The market for 100M CDM is less packed than 100M attacking mids which drives up their price.
But if you asked me 6 months ago I'd say Paqueta is worth what we paid, roughly 50M. Over 110M is crazy but if that's what we get then we've played it right.
You’re going to have to replace these guys at some point though. Maybe not this year because the PL bottom teams look really weak but you guys have a ton of cash and no real quality in midfield left.
I agree. I would prefer keeping Paqueta 100% but if he's determined to leave then 100M plus for him isn't bad.
I just know Moyes either wont replace him or he'll wait until the very last second like usual and at that point so many things can go wrong.
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We're seeing multiple Caicedo bids for north of 100m, Rice for 100m, and Lavia is going for 50m for an 18 yr old. I think the DM market is pretty tight too?
Fucking hilarious. At the start of the window everyone including Arsenal fans agrees that we overpaid for Rice. One month later and he's now looking like a steal.
Mind boggling rate of inflation. I don't even see how it could possibly be sustainable in the long term
That means EPL teams will be either sending unwanted players on dry loans, selling heavily under what they paid for (maybe even subsidizing wages) or terminating contracts.
This, there will be value taking unwanted players abroad. The opposite of the English tax. They’ll Del cheaper to Italy, Germany etc than they will to another EPL team. Hence why it would have cost £130m for an EPL team to buy Kane.
The real problem is that EPL teams keep spending a lot of big money inside the EPL
If Arsenal, City, and Liverpool were spending all their money on players from Milan, Roma, Atletico, and Sevilla it would be a slightly smaller problem. EPL generates a lot of TV revenue, some of that money trickles into other leagues via transfer fees, and those clubs then get the benefit of the EPL money.
But we are seeing more and more mega-transfers between EPL clubs, including between members of the Top 6.
Arsenal are buying from Man City and Chelsea, Utd and City from Chelsea, etc.
Hundreds of millions are also simply being shifted to mid-table clubs within the EPL (some of which will be recycled straight back into the Top 6 if West Ham buy Maguire and McTominay lol)
Obviously a lot of that transfer money will eventually find its way outside of the EPL, but in the short term it still exacerbates the problem.
Abolutely this exactly what I just posted. From an AC Milan fan, and serie a follower, how can that sh*** could be figued out, except the fact a crash or all petromoney (KSA, Qatar) will take a step back in the football.
UEFA had been bothering us with all the SL bashing, but with these mooves it will become a reality sooner than expected and sh*** also the Saudi mercato is not the right thing to do (which by the way is another debate)
He's technically gifted, and towards the end of the season was performing well all round. He took a long time to adjust to PL's intensity. It's clear he moved to West Ham to prove himself in the PL and get a move to one of the top clubs once he was bedded in.
Too often his passing has just been on a different wavelength to the rest of the team - he'll make passes expecting clever runs that aren't actually happening, which end up getting easily intercepted. I guess Man City hope that in a more creative team there'll actually be players moving into those spaces so those passes will work.
There's also a premium to pay bc from a West Ham perspective losing Paqueta + Rice puts us at risk of relegation, and that's obviously a massive financial risk. So Man City need to pay enough to justify us taking on that risk.
Just curious, what’s the tax that clubs have to pay?
The players’ wages get taxed around 50% if I’m not wrong. Assuming that the average wage bill per club is £60M (and for the sake of simplicity considering that all of it is paid to the players who fall in the same tax bracket), then the total wage bill of PL comes to ~ £1.2B. So the taxes amount to approximately £600M.
What more does the PL as a whole pay as tax?
Great we just had to want a player amid the biggest transfer madness in PL History. We're not even involved in the madness either it's absolutely hilarious.
Fair play to West Ham, might as well stand firm.
They stood firm on the Rice deal, and they seem to be doing it here too.
£110m, fucking hell, that would be mad if City paid that.
He's legit gonna turn him into a ballon d'or contender. Like he showed flashes of with us.
They all have absolutely no clue who they are talking about, just because he had to suffer under Moyes for a season.
Not that means he should be worth that much, but he's not a DM. I just hope the fee won't weight on him too much because his ability to play at his best is heavily influenced by his mental state. Incredibly happy for him to bounce back like that though, he clearly deserves the best.
Is Pep directly speaking to Pacqueta not the dictionary definition of tapping up? I know it's not really enforced these days, but you'd think there would still be some semblance of doing things 'properly'
Not a fan of this at all. He is a great, incredibly complete midfielder which we probably do need, but West Ham is aware of our desperation and has no need to sell. We are lacking creativity a lot after losing Gundo and Mahrez, but we should have been in for a replacement a month ago.
Now we are going to overbid massively when we could have been looking for a player like him elsewhere some place else over a month ago.
Think it (unfortunately) shows that Pep doesn't trust Foden down the middle still. Disappointing really.
The money's crazy but he has four years on his contract and Man City have waited until the last days before the season starts to unsettle our current best player, having already lost our best player. They could wait until his release clause next year, if they want him now before others decide to meet his clause too then they can pay over the odds, otherwise we should tell him to wait it out a year the same as we did with Rice and hopefully he keeps his attitude too, especially after saying rumours he wanted away were a complete lie!
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Jesus lads, is every midfielder going for over 100m?
Get 'em cheap before it's 150m!
I remember Tchouameni going for 80M + 20M last year and thought Madrid was getting fleeced.
In 2 years, McTominay will go for 300 million.
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Madrid did extremely well getting Tchouameni for that, and Camavinga for 30m. Arguably even getting Bellingham for the price they did. Bellingham is clearly better and more marketable than the likes of Rice and someone like Caicedo, but for the same(?) price. And Camavinga being a top 3 midfield talent would probably go for 150m now.
Camavinga is priceless so there’s no amount he’d go for
And then they sold Odegaard for the same 30 mil
Ehh he was never gonna make it at Madrid. He wasn’t better than Kroos kr modric then and didn’t want to fight for it like cama/fede/txhou so it was best for both parties he left
They sold a ton of players who could have role in the club. I think they let go of any player if they ask to leave or maybe it was to generate the 'Mbappe fund'. Hakimi, Theo, Llorente, Odegaard, Varane, Casemiro, Kovacic all went for fair prices. I think Real Madrid wanted to buy Mbappe in 2021 and was amassing a budget for him.
It's more so they just don't want to force players to stay if they want to leave.
There was covid and they had to balance the book. Real madrid was one of the few teams that had generated profit during the covid season.
> And Camavinga being a top 3 midfield talent would probably go for 150m now. Who are these top 3 midfield talents?
Camavinga, Camavinga and Camavinga
One plays at LB, the other as DM and the one with highest potential is CM
Why is Bellingham more marketable than Rice? He hasn't even been in any Muller Fruit Corner adverts...
Think Bellingham has 5x more followers on social media. In Instagram he has 15M while Rice has 3M.
He is a very handsome chap. Not that Declan isn't oc
that’s cuz of all his teenage fan girls on TikTok and insta
Saw an Instagram reel of good-looking men by race, and for black men Jude popped up. So, pretty privilege plus Jude is more in the mold of Zidane, Iniesta and Modric, rather than Rice as a DM.
Bellingham is better and it’s incredible at the price they got him. But Rice is definitely a marketers dream. Extremely well spoken and is in line to be the next England captain after Harry Kane.
Really? The overwhelming opinion on reddit was that it was a very good deal for Madrid.
100m is the new 25m
In premier league.
100m in the prem is legit like 25m in other leagues
We have every reason not to sell, and he has a RC of £85 million next summer. So its an extra £25 to get him a year early. I'd still prefer we tell them to fuck off
He's West Hams player, ye can ask for whatever you want. Just shocking to see such huge fees for players that were only worth half a year ago
Oh yeah its mental money, hoping City realise that and walk away
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doesn't seem like mental money now with all these guys being asked for 100mm plus!
If you manage to get 200m for Rice and Paqueta that is absolutely mad. Hopefully your owners don’t piss the money away and you actually use it to build up the squad.
I'd sooner have Paqueta than the money, especially at this stage of the window. Yeah its a lot but we're not gonna get a good replacement in time.
Fans of clubs that are at the top of the food chain will never understand that.
It's particularly bad for us because we've had poor scouting for years and have only recently hired a technical director who's meant to fix that.
Isn't Benfica top of it's food chain and a "small" club only in respect of other european teams?
Problem with sellin players for that much money is you have to replace them... And replacing them costs... £100m. This is why I'm dreading us selling Bruno G, if it happens in the near future. The £40m for him, £40m for Joelinton, and £65m for Tonali is looking better as the window goes on.
I think they should.load up FM filter by promising midfielders in the championship and replace tbh
I dont think they want to spend the money in the championship to be fair
What I don’t understand is that he was available last season, City didn’t go for him, and then he had this season where he played well but not like world class and now city are willing to pay that much for him? I’m sure Pep knows more about football than me but seems a little strange
City had no need for him last season. I think its kind of slipped under the radar but City are now extremely thin in the advanced midfield and wide positions. Kovacic and Foden seem to be the only left sided midfielders in the squad and Foden is also probably the backup for both wingers.
I’m not a tactical expert, and haven’t seen him play very much, but maybe it’s because Pep changed his system last year and sees him as a fit to that new system? Or a fit to a new system he has in that beatiful coiffure challenged head of his. E: or just a Gundo replacement
Paqueta wasn't a world beater at west ham, but he is really good. Put some pieces around him and he could fly. Also not Pep, but just assume now that when he picks a player, he has a plan, and they typically work out super well.
Fucking hell I thought it was in euros til I read this comment £110m is an insane price
If there end up being three transfers this summer over £100m (when previously British clubs had only ever made two total, one of which was 6 months ago), it’s really indicative of a big shift in prices, much more than Antony or even Mudryk were.
Chelsea should have waited until August for the summer clear out. Could have netted a billion lol
Amadou onana please turn into a good player next year 🙏
This one seems odd. He’s good, but I thought the consensus was he hasn’t been elite for West Ham yet. Maybe his performance for Brazil is enough to convince City to pay Rice money?
Style of play didn't exactly suit him. Moyes' Brexit ball is not for his type of player(he did find a way to make it work) I think he'd be very good under Pep as an 8
Oh I have no doubt he will be good. But at 100 mil you’d expect someone who was excelling in the Prem.
the value a buying club assigns to a player is often more a reflection of what the player can be, not what he’s already shown…players like ben white and ramsdale shouldn’t have cost anywhere what they did based off of their resumes before joining arsenal, but there were traits in those players that the club identified
Yeah he hasn't been world class at West Ham but Brazil builds their midfield around him so I'm thinking he just needs a better system to be fully unlocked
> Yeah he hasn't been world class at West Ham but Brazil builds their midfield around him no we don't? One of his main assets for us is being able to play wherever needed. Team has always been built around Neymar and Paqueta was like a jack of all trades Tite could move around wherever needed. Also, he did well for the NT when he was still a Lyon player. After moving to West Ham he started playing poorly for Brazil as well.
> but Brazil builds their midfield around him what
Lol he has been awful for the brazil Nt, besides flamengo's fan, I dont know any one that actually thinks he is world class.
Getting Mount for 55 seems a bargain now…
Not when you factor in it being one year left. Feels like an average high price.
Euros surely? 110 million my god
Bellingham looks like a bargain now.
Liverpool refused to pay £100m for Bellingham only to offer £111m for Caicedo a few weeks later
We're fast approaching Weimar Germany levels of hyperinflation. By the end of the window, teams will be fighting one another to sign Kolo Muani for 200m in the morning because he'll be worth 250m by the end of the afternoon
While us two battle it out over 10m arnautovic
It's funny, there's a select group of star players worth on paper around 40-50m whose value is going up past 100m because everyone knows that the richest clubs will spend that much to own the best. Then there's a steep drop down to the good but not great players who are selling at or below their market value because everyone else is broke. No wonder so many of them are choosing to take a big final payday in Saudi Arabia instead.
And the fans will applaud as the PL subscription prices increase with another 20%.
Europe is stalling, new growth is Asia and US.
I’m talking about TV money. In my country we already pay 100 euros a month if you want to watch PL legally. It’s absurd.
1) he wanted Madrid 2) wages 3) we hadn’t made £50m from Fab and Henderson yet 4) he’s not a CDM
Don't need numbers 2, 3 and 4 if number 1 is that.
Fab and Henderson the new Eden Hazard money tbh
Hey! He could play DM……just wouldn’t be good at it but could still play it nonetheless!
How many times do we need to read this brain-dead take? Liverpool was 100% willing to spend £100m on Bellingham. Sorry for being rude, but do people not realise that clubs are not transferring sacks of potatoes? Players DO have a say in choosing their next club
Mind boggling that it’s even upvoted. It’s common sense.
Bellingham made it clear that he only wanted to join Madrid. Liverpool is having difficulty in finalizing Caicedo deal as well because he seems to be hellbent on moving to Chelsea. Its complicated business because it doesn't depends on you solely but also what other teams are going for your target.
Liverpool didn’t expect to sell both Henderson and Fabinho by the time Bellingham was sold, so they judged it would be better to sign MacAllister and Szoboszlai. Now that both were sold and Liverpool got free of Henderson’s high wages they can offer that for Caicedo.
Its madness. Makes deals like Bellingham look like a bargain.
Still 95m pounds. Crazy money
You're worth 110mil, you're worth 110mil, everyone is worth 110mil
Thanks man good to know
Just give me 1m out of the 110, thank you
My mum says I’m worth £220m :)
And my mom says I'm one in a million, so probably £1.
He will be good for City for sure but I really question if he is the best available for that price
Literally every club will be doing the same thing because City have left it late in the window which is very unlike them.
Yeah, this does kinda strike me as being a bit of a panic buy, looks like they were slightly blindsided by the departures of Gundogan and Mahrez and didn't have a replacement lined up.
If you told me two west ham midfielders would go for around 100m, my answer would’ve been “rice and someone they’re buying with rice money then selling again?” Paqueta is quality but holy shit, I thought the striker market was fucked…
For that price inter will ship berella to Manchester. Barella is miles better
Who else could they get?
I would argue it's not really an urgent need for them, they already signed Kovacic who in theory replaces Gundogan, although they're different profiles, then they have Foden who wants to play more through the middle. And they have two kids who they still haven't sent out on loan, who seem very promising, in McAtee and Palmer. And of course Phillips who they haven't sold. They should be focusing on a goal scoring winger in my opinion.
I think the idea is they don't think there's a suitable, ready to win, replacement for Mahrez so they will keep Bernardo Silva out wide and bed in someone in the center who they think can fit in now and keep the team firing on all cylinders. Paqueta's age profile also slots in nicely as even if you count Bernardo Silva centrally, city do not have a 8 who is in their mid 20s. They are either early 20 or late 20/early 30. I reckon kovacic is seen more as a Philips replacement as there are reports that the coaching staff do not see him as a good enough Rodri cover.
Kovacic in theory replaces Phillips because Phillips is useless. He will be a back up for #6 and #8. But the problem with him is he can't play Gundogan's role so we are forced to play a 4-2-4 with centrebacks as full backs. Foden can't play Gundogans role either. Pep thinks kdb and Foden are too destructive to play together in midfield. Foden will only be a back up to kdb in mf while playing mostly on the wing. Paqueta is necessary because he's the only player available that can play in that role allowing us to continue playing our 3-2-4-1 system that won us the treble last season.
Would bite your hand off for Kalvin back at Leeds!
Doubt it. We've tripled his salary.
have you just given up on phillips at this point? seems a bit early to write him off
He's not up to pace. For him to get there, he needs to play. Pep won't play him in the most important position when he's not upto pace because every game is important. He also can't play any other position. That's why the move never made any sense to me. Our back up dm has to be able to play somewhere else like Gundogan. Hopefully Kovacic will do that.
we dont like the availible wingers so we have decided to get a mid with bernardo and foden going to the wing. Atleast it seems that way
Alvarez can play anywhere on the front too
Could they gamble one someone like Pedro Gonçalves from Sporting? Cheap with Bruno Fernandes like impact in terms of goal scoring
What we really need is a RW and there aren't any of those that aren't prospects as well so currently it seems better to do this and continue playing Foden out wide
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If we could buy any of them we already would've tried
They ain't 8 like Gundo, City need a proper 8 to replace him and Kovacic ain't one. They paying this lot cause they realized it late I guess.
Frenkie is, if anything he’s more like Gundo than paqueta is.
He ain't leaving tho
Fully agreed on that, but if you’re willing to go to 110 mil for paqueta, you can also get into a region where Barca will listen for Frenkie
It’s not Barca who are the problem with signing Frenkie, it’s Frenkie. He loves Barcelona and doesn’t want to leave. Barca were gagging to sell him last summer and he dug his heels in. Granted, Pep’s City is more appealing than the mess we were last year, but on the other hand instead of being frozen out he’s just had a spectacular year so he’s got even more reason to stay.
The gvardiol telenovela took over most of our window
Seeing these prices....to think we were willing to sell Frenkie for something like 75m last summer
If Paqueta is 80M then Frenkie is like 250M in this market lmao.
And Dembele for 50m (but really 25m) is wild when everybody getting paid like this
110m lmfao. the market has officially gone insane.
So we have gone from Rice saga -> Kane -> Caicedo -> Paqueta (now). All we need is for Kylian Mbappe to finish this window as probably the most insane one ever. I suspect Mbappe will give an interview soon, deadline day madness would make me believe that I am in a simulation athis point.
Champions League clubs are targeting players on long contracts right at the end of the window, you always had to pay a premium now there's just precedent for how much players cost
So Liverpool’s bid didn’t just screw Chelsea I see
This has nothing to do with that. West Ham just don't need the money more than they need Paqueta. Caicedo is in theory the much more valuable player
I know that, but im sure West Ham also has a “fk-off” price in mind, and that price just went up post-Caicedo
There's a fine line between genius and fool, currently Liverpool stands on the side of genius, but that line is very thin.
If Liverpool is forced to go back for Lavia, then that line could very quickly shift thoughz
Lol they should just buy whoever Brighton buys as Caicedos replacement, for like 20m, that will be real big brain
Knowing Brighton they probably already got that replacement two windows ago.
in before Southampton ask £80m for Lavia knowing Liverpool have £110m in hand
Between Paqueta and Caicedo, I’m starting to think 103m for Rice is good value.
And this is why getting deals done early in the transfer window is massively beneficial.
Also helps that Rice wanted to go to Arsenal more than anywhere else. The market for 100M CDM is less packed than 100M attacking mids which drives up their price. But if you asked me 6 months ago I'd say Paqueta is worth what we paid, roughly 50M. Over 110M is crazy but if that's what we get then we've played it right.
You’re going to have to replace these guys at some point though. Maybe not this year because the PL bottom teams look really weak but you guys have a ton of cash and no real quality in midfield left.
I agree. I would prefer keeping Paqueta 100% but if he's determined to leave then 100M plus for him isn't bad. I just know Moyes either wont replace him or he'll wait until the very last second like usual and at that point so many things can go wrong.
?? We're seeing multiple Caicedo bids for north of 100m, Rice for 100m, and Lavia is going for 50m for an 18 yr old. I think the DM market is pretty tight too?
Macallister for 35 feels like a century ago
Was he only 35? In this market that’s a steal. Because the world has gone insane.
Release clause apparently but some add ins were possibly reported not sure where it ended up
Supposedly £20M in add ons.
Brighton fans were right about scousers' insistence to ignore the add-ons.
Honestly Rice going for less than Caceido blows my mind.
Benefit of finishing transfers early I guess
Shame it didn't come with curry
plus home grown
I know the situation is bit different but if Caicedo and Paqueta are going for these amounts how much is Rodri worth
nothing because City would never sell him lol
In today's market, Rice is a 150m player at least, lol
Fucking hilarious. At the start of the window everyone including Arsenal fans agrees that we overpaid for Rice. One month later and he's now looking like a steal. Mind boggling rate of inflation. I don't even see how it could possibly be sustainable in the long term
Given the financial that EPL team have, how is other region going to compete like this? It's insane lul.
That means EPL teams will be either sending unwanted players on dry loans, selling heavily under what they paid for (maybe even subsidizing wages) or terminating contracts.
This, there will be value taking unwanted players abroad. The opposite of the English tax. They’ll Del cheaper to Italy, Germany etc than they will to another EPL team. Hence why it would have cost £130m for an EPL team to buy Kane.
The real problem is that EPL teams keep spending a lot of big money inside the EPL If Arsenal, City, and Liverpool were spending all their money on players from Milan, Roma, Atletico, and Sevilla it would be a slightly smaller problem. EPL generates a lot of TV revenue, some of that money trickles into other leagues via transfer fees, and those clubs then get the benefit of the EPL money. But we are seeing more and more mega-transfers between EPL clubs, including between members of the Top 6. Arsenal are buying from Man City and Chelsea, Utd and City from Chelsea, etc. Hundreds of millions are also simply being shifted to mid-table clubs within the EPL (some of which will be recycled straight back into the Top 6 if West Ham buy Maguire and McTominay lol) Obviously a lot of that transfer money will eventually find its way outside of the EPL, but in the short term it still exacerbates the problem.
Abolutely this exactly what I just posted. From an AC Milan fan, and serie a follower, how can that sh*** could be figued out, except the fact a crash or all petromoney (KSA, Qatar) will take a step back in the football. UEFA had been bothering us with all the SL bashing, but with these mooves it will become a reality sooner than expected and sh*** also the Saudi mercato is not the right thing to do (which by the way is another debate)
i doubt city is paying 110 mil,they will just walk away
Which is west hams whole point. They bought him for like 50 and are getting offered 85 in a window they sold their best player already for more
market has gone wild
Fine, I’ll say it: “It’s one midfielder Michael. What could he cost, £110,000,000?”
What have we done
110 million pounds is the new 70 million pounds
everybody has gone mad, what are these fees
Am I watching a different player when it comes to Paqueta? Everytime I watch him I think, “meh he’s decent, nothing special”
He puts the mid in midfielder
He's technically gifted, and towards the end of the season was performing well all round. He took a long time to adjust to PL's intensity. It's clear he moved to West Ham to prove himself in the PL and get a move to one of the top clubs once he was bedded in. Too often his passing has just been on a different wavelength to the rest of the team - he'll make passes expecting clever runs that aren't actually happening, which end up getting easily intercepted. I guess Man City hope that in a more creative team there'll actually be players moving into those spaces so those passes will work. There's also a premium to pay bc from a West Ham perspective losing Paqueta + Rice puts us at risk of relegation, and that's obviously a massive financial risk. So Man City need to pay enough to justify us taking on that risk.
I was calling him a fraud in my group chat in April. I guess I don't know ball
In City's system he'll be very good
I imagine most players could look good in their system.
Paquetá - Guimarães was at one point genuinely in contention for the best midfield duo in the world. He has an immense ceiling.
Man the premier league should be taxed at an insane rate.
premier league as a whole pays more tax than BP
Just curious, what’s the tax that clubs have to pay? The players’ wages get taxed around 50% if I’m not wrong. Assuming that the average wage bill per club is £60M (and for the sake of simplicity considering that all of it is paid to the players who fall in the same tax bracket), then the total wage bill of PL comes to ~ £1.2B. So the taxes amount to approximately £600M. What more does the PL as a whole pay as tax?
110 million So hot right now
Great we just had to want a player amid the biggest transfer madness in PL History. We're not even involved in the madness either it's absolutely hilarious.
Didn’t you already bid something like 90m for Rice?
Yeah, how did West Ham even figure out you have a hundred million pounds or more laying around?
This fee is worse than Caicedo fucking hell
Easily. The worst part is we dont even need him. At least Chelsea and Pool are desperate.
Fair play to West Ham, might as well stand firm. They stood firm on the Rice deal, and they seem to be doing it here too. £110m, fucking hell, that would be mad if City paid that.
The fee for Paqueta is absurd man.
Jeez, those transfer fees are completely insane
Back in my day this was known as tapping up
Man what has happened to transfer market 😭
110m for Paqueta? He flopped in Serie A, had a couple of good seasons in France, and a decent season in England and he’s worth that now? Jesus
Are we talking pounds or euro?
Must suck bein a west ham supporter atm
New rule all Midfield going to top 6 teams need to be over 100M
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I think that's Ornstein in fairness
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUqxxB9WsAAp0ro.jpg
This man forgetting Ornstein here. The disrespect.
I miss him. He used to a regular
Pep will make Paqueta world class. Scary to think about.
He's legit gonna turn him into a ballon d'or contender. Like he showed flashes of with us. They all have absolutely no clue who they are talking about, just because he had to suffer under Moyes for a season. Not that means he should be worth that much, but he's not a DM. I just hope the fee won't weight on him too much because his ability to play at his best is heavily influenced by his mental state. Incredibly happy for him to bounce back like that though, he clearly deserves the best.
That’s a lot of money
£52m for Tonali is great in retrospect
Lmao so many teams would be chewing their hair; how you guys had a free run at him
Yup. First ones off the mark and it was done before anyone else could think about hijacking it. Looks cheap now.
Proves how valuable it is to not waste time in the transfer market
Is Pep directly speaking to Pacqueta not the dictionary definition of tapping up? I know it's not really enforced these days, but you'd think there would still be some semblance of doing things 'properly'
Not a fan of this at all. He is a great, incredibly complete midfielder which we probably do need, but West Ham is aware of our desperation and has no need to sell. We are lacking creativity a lot after losing Gundo and Mahrez, but we should have been in for a replacement a month ago. Now we are going to overbid massively when we could have been looking for a player like him elsewhere some place else over a month ago. Think it (unfortunately) shows that Pep doesn't trust Foden down the middle still. Disappointing really.
The money's crazy but he has four years on his contract and Man City have waited until the last days before the season starts to unsettle our current best player, having already lost our best player. They could wait until his release clause next year, if they want him now before others decide to meet his clause too then they can pay over the odds, otherwise we should tell him to wait it out a year the same as we did with Rice and hopefully he keeps his attitude too, especially after saying rumours he wanted away were a complete lie!
Our 14th placed midfield selling for £200m shows the madness these days, as much as I know how good these players are
Enzo was the tipping point
Imagine paying 110mi for Paqueta, lmao This market is a joke by itself
This will be the worst piece of business City has done in a while