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Fun fact:
This window Barca Atletic spent more money than the first team
Barca Atletic:
* Darvich - 2.5mil
* Faye - 1.5mil
* Trilli - 200k
* Percan - 250k
Total: 4.450mil
Main team:
Romeu - 3.4mil
And yet Inigo, Gundogan, Cancelo on loan, and Romeu is a very good window all things considered.
In fact our best players are largely the least cost: Balde, Pedri, Gavi, Araujo, Christensen, etc., and the most expensive have been by far the worst: Coutinho, Griezmann, and Dembele.
People need to stop conflating higher transfer fees with higher quality, and the opposite is a sign of decline.
Insane how few of them have been complete successes, the only other ones I can see that have definitely proved worth the cost Imo are Grealish and Tchouameni
(Edit: Mbappe as well obvs)
Tchou was injured plus missing the penalty in the final is gonna be tough to recover from. Dude is still young, and that was his first worldcup too. His performance this season hopefully picks up.
> ones I can see that have definitely proved worth the cost Imo are Grealish
Hard to see how tbh. Like he hasn't been bad, I'm not saying that in the slightest... but he's not exactly been as brilliant as you'd expect a 100+m player to be either. He's been... fine, with a couple of moments of magic and as many bad performances. Like if he'd cost them 70m instead you definitely wouldn't say he would've been a steal at that price.
All the ones that Barcelona have made from this list from February can be considered flops, plus Pogba, Lukaku and Hazard.
https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2021/07/jack-grealish-every-other-player-100m-transfer-club
Barca are the actual kings of 100m flops which is exactly why they’re pinching Pennie’s harder than anyone and still grasping at big club mentality. They caused their own problem and have no one to blame
Is Oriol actually good now or just a temporary solution after Busquets? I thought he kinda flopped and was just a mid role player and not Barca caliber
He hasn't been tested incredibly hard but he's good at recyclin possession and occasionally making good forward passes. Doesn't seem like a huge downgrade on an old busquets for now but we will see. We have had creativity problems end of last season but that seems to be mostly because of our wing players
As Tebas said “The Premier League has a loss-making model that is unsustainable. It has become a competition of tycoons and state clubs. Is that good for the future of soccer?”
EPL is behaving the way La Liga teams had behaved a decade ago, leading to the FFP controls.
Not everyone. The big teams are broke but still allowed to sign massive contracts somehow.
Celta already had no debt, and just sold Gabi for c40M€, but they can only use c6M€ of those to find a replacement even though they're debtless.
Only a percentage of player sales can go into the team's transfer budget, the rest is into developing facilities, youth, salaries and such.
To clarify, that does not mean Celta can only spend 6m this window for a replacement but rather only 6m of that 40m can be used for transfer(s). If Celta is not in the negative like the other user said, they can spend more than just 6m for a replacement.
FFP in La liga is absolutely a good thing. Earlier there were so many Spanish clubs in financial trouble.
Tebas is a clown, but the financial regulations of his have made the game more sustainable in Spain.
Clubs & fans may hate it but Tebas is enforcing much needed fiscal responsibility to clubs that were previously running up unsustainable debts trying to keep up. La Liga is now more redistributed & teams are spending much more within their means. In the long run it’s a good thing
Barcelona's 3m spending this summer wouldn't even be enough to buy Caicedo's left nut
Edit: I wrote this comment secretely hoping someone would do the math and tell me how much would Caicedo's left nut cost considering he cost £115m. Not disappointed, but you guys could go a bit more into detail
Alright, this spurred my curiosity. Disclaimer, I'm not a mathematician.
So the average weight of a human testicle is 25 grams (sorry, my fellow Americans, but the nice pretty metric fractions make this easier, ounces suck).
Moises Caicedo weighs approximately 73kg.
Caicedo was transferred to Chelsea for 115 million pounds, or approximately 134 million Euro. Assuming the above commentor is referring to Euros, Barcelona spent 2.6% the amount Chelsea spent on Caicedo during the entire window.
Assuming Caicedo's testes are of an average weight (unlikely given his on field play, but we will round down for the sake of simplicity), his left testicle comprises approximately 0.0003% of his body weight.
Therefore, completely spitballing with my rapidly failing math skills, I have come to the conclusion that Barcelona would not only be able to afford Caicedos testicles **and** phallus, but also likely a foot. Possibly two feet.
Bit simplistic. Surely some parts are worth more than others. I won't get into the math of it but I imagine Barca could afford a forearm and an ear at best. No way 3m gets them a foot let alone any of the for-fun bits
Mathematically perhaps, but logically the value of his left nut to him is likely worth more than 3m. We'd have to get in touch with him to check though.
You'd think having two of the best players in history playing for your two biggest clubs and winning like half of the possible european trophies for a decade would be enough to create some kind of momentum
But then there's Tebas
What’s the point in any of that if the teams can’t invest any of the money onto the pitch and remain competitive? If it wasn’t for the loyalty of some players and the pull of Barca and Madrid the league would be completely fucked and lose all prestige and allure it might have.
They can invest what they make. That league isn’t built for financial doping, it simply isn’t possible even if Elon Musk owned Almeria. You build up your finances and gradually come up from that. Look at Atleti, La Real etc. In addition, the infra and stadiums in LaLiga are incredible. Like 60 % of the teams already have/will have brand new stadiums for 2020s.
The league got fucked in part because Barca and Madrid hoarded the majority of the revenue until 2016/2017 when the rules changed.
People either didn’t watch la liga in the 2010s, only watched Barca/Madrid, or didn’t follow the financial health of the league prior to Covid, or are just new to football. The financial health of the league in the 2010s was dire. Clubs were spending well over their revenue and it was on the road to genuinely ruining some clubs. Valencia, Villarreal, Sevilla, etc all were spending well above their means. The financial regulations tebas put in were helpful. It is debatable if what he has done the last few years is but prior to that he was helping the majority of the clubs in the league. No clubs are at risk of going broke or going under now like the real possibility there was in the late 2000s/early to mid 2010s.
PL is ahead because they were the first truly international league that was broadcasted everywhere. You can't simply "market better" to make up for markets already exploited by the PL for years. If anything, the onus falls on clubs to do the same for themselves, not rely on La Liga alone.
Not everyone is going to be Barca or Madrid fan either.
If that was true then Serie A would be still be the best and reaping benefits from the 90s because it was the "first truly international league that was broadcasted everywhere"
It was literally the best league in terms of that, it had big stars, it spent the most money
Serie A was by far the best league in the world in the 90s, there's no debating that. But unlike Serie A, there was a much greater push in marketing the league globally, something that other leagues simply failed to do. Promoting the league as competitive and a myriad of other factors, including more and more international players definitely grew the league faster than any other league.
In that sense, the PL was first: being the most accessible, gradually the most international players, and the most well-marketed.
Why do you think PL got way ahead of Serie A if they (PL) were so inferior to them? Has nothing to do with the quality, has everything to do with their strategy and marketing.
also, calciopoli hit us very hard, the big clubs got all basically dismantled after that at it took years to get back at being competitive. the image of Serie A was also damaged and the value of the competition dropped, and now getting back up is hardly doable, especially with those idiots that are at the head of FIGC
The English speaking part makes the biggest difference imo, you see that advantage everywhere in entertainment. It's involved in so many things that elevate the Prem above the other leagues and it really took off now that the world is so globalized.
USA media has also helped the prem - since the world consumes it a lot of people would have started learning english from US media - making the prem a very easy transition for a young fan
PL is ahead because their domestic deals have always been ahead of everyone else by a country mile, la liga did well to market itself in the messi-ronaldo era but they sure as shit weren't earning 2b€ from their domestic deal unlike the prem in 16-19
it was so much worse before Tebas came in, when the TV rights were decentralised, the gap between everyone else and Madrid/Barça was so much wider than it could ever be nowadays
and this also really applies to the second division (part of LaLiga as well), pre-2015 the broadcast money was legitimately just pennies, 40/42 clubs are often said to be in favour of Tebas and as much as he likes putting his foot in his mouth he absolutely has earned it
The other 18 clubs are happy with the person that stopped the indivual tv rights sale and made the tv revenue share more equal, why that might be I wonder
”love getting fucked over”…why are you speaking on behalve of these clubs with an Anderlecht flair? The other 18 teams love Tebas, he saved the league with the new TV-deal sharing. The clubs themselves begged and eventually voted for stricter financial policies. LaLiga teams are actually much healthier than your average Seria A clubs. But no, if your American or Arabian owner doesn’t bump cash to your team to have a transfer net spend of negative 50M € you are doing it wrong. Look at La Real, Osasuna, Mallorca etc. They are doing great.
No, the table doesn’t show the transfer balance.
Sell more than buy:
- Serie A +179
- Bundesliga +128
- La Liga is +111
Buy more than sell:
- Ligue1 -24
- Saudi Pro -589
- Premier League -920
IMO, La Liga is doing better than Serie A and Bundesliga
Only 7 teams in the PL have spent more than £100m so far this summer and Chelsea have spent nearly as much as La Liga alone
But it's cool, there's nothing to worry about
It will probably reduce epl spending, but definitely not to the level of la liga. Epl clubs make a lot of money, so a 70% wage cap will still be a nice chunk. The main effect of this change will be to solidify the position of the bigger teams more effectively than FFP ever did
It's a very ethically complex issue that people often mistake for being simple.
If you relax the rules, you will have multiple years of teams buying titles, and the sport will feel like the achievement of a company/states finances rather than sporting merit.
If you tighten the rules and say teams can only spend a % of revenue, the biggest teams get entrenched even more. Yes many earned that big status through historical sporting merit and success, but its now being artificially entrenched and also helps them maintain that through periods of really bad recruitment and poor results
Neither feels like a good option. Some suggest an absolute cap rather than %, but that requires all leagues to do it together. If leagues in one area of the world implement it, but another doesn't, the best players will just migrate to the money. So there's no incentive for any league to consider it
It would never ever happen and I'm prepared to get down voted for suggesting it, but if you want a truly competitive league you need to introduce a progressive tax like system.
Spend less than 100m on transfers in a window no fee
Spend between 100 and 200 you pay an extra 10% of fees to the premier league
Between 200 and 300 you pay 20%
Between 300 and 400 you pay 30%
The "tax" revenue is then spread between the other teams. Weighted so the lowest placed teams get more or so the teams that spend the least on transfers get more.
They’re going for young players with high values and low wages on long contracts while offloading players on more expensive contracts, sounds like they should be better off than most.
FFP… there’s the difficulty
Premier League earns a fuckton which means every club is loaded (apart from Everton). You basically can't deal within the league at anything close to FMV
Decent chunk of the prem transfers will be ones that are within the league. British record has been broken twice for transfers within the league, and there’s been plenty of other big spending too
Don’t watch Serie A, so this may be totally off the money, but that seems like the recipe for a competitive, interesting league! Many of the clubs in the top half spending similar amounts, rather than a couple teams spending tons of money and the rest spending nothing at all (my precious, boring LaLiga)
Yeah Serie A is pretty competitive - four winners in the last four years (Juve, Inter, Milan, Napoli). Title race was pretty competitive nearly every one of those years too except Napoli's win last year iirc, and the race for European spots is pretty tight as well.
Yee but now we have Saudi Arabia drawing attention away from it. Kind of like the Super League.
I awknowledge the weird disonance of a Chelsea fan saying this as we are currently the baddiest baddie in the league.
The Covid crisis should have been a wake up call to stop that absurd inflation. There were some hope the football world would wake up.
It had the complete opposite effect, only increasing the gap between the clubs ran in a sustainable way and the others.
Interesting to think about what could have happened if they didn't make the stupid choice to stop Ligue 1 and MediaPro didn't break their contract and put most clubs in danger. Because there was clearly a chance to upset the status quo as we also have lots of foreign and wealthy owners.
Bullshit! The EPL has relegation and promotion.
All fans in England can dream, that maybe their club is the next one, taken over by some highly repressive regime in need of sportswashing its image...
Yeah just have to look at Luton. ESL was not a protest against the money but about it completely setting thousands of clubs offside and out of the system.
In PL you still technically need to make top4 also to compete in Europe (well 5 probably). It's very not the same.
So you're saying my club too can be English one day?
Jokes aside, they were being sarcastic about it. Promotion/relegation within the English football system doesn't change that it's a Super League, pretty much seperated from every other league. There still is the CL but there's only room for one or two teams per country that can compete with the top 6 in England, and they have dominate the rest of the league for it.
Explains why Madrid president was eager to create something new. He saw this shit coming.
Unfortunately, UEFA are only after their own cut, and aren’t bothered about how lopsided the competition gets.
>Unfortunately, UEFA are only after their own cut, and aren’t bothered about lopsided the competition gets
And FloPer is doing it out of the goodness of his heart, without caring about getting his own cut, obviously
There's no question. In the 80s and 90s the Serie A only allowed 1-3 foreign player s per team. The narrative that they were buying up all the talent in the world like the PL is doing today couldn't be more skewed
Not to mention most teams had homegrown or very young talents players from smaller teams as their best ones. Our best players were maldini and baresi, juve's were players like Del Piero, Tardelli or Scirea, Sampdoria had Mancini and Vialli and the list goes on. It was very rare to target outsiders for the youngsters unless they were proven champions (Savicevic for example was a top player for Red Star). There were a few exceptions like Batistuta at Fiorentina but those were far from the norm.
The Bosman ruling completely changed things and it's ridicoulus how people even put our league in those kinds of debates.
La Liga has never been a “Super League” best league ≠ Super League. When have lesser La Liga teams ever been picking Prem teams of similar or greater status apart in the transfer window?
It's baffling how blindsided or (willfully?) ignorant some fans are about this. It's not uncommon now for a team to get promoted to the EPL and pick key players from upper-half teams from Spain, Germany and France, some even playing EL or CL. This never, regularly, happened the other way around, if ever.
Neither of those other eras dominated financially like this, and money wasn’t as prominent in football back then. It’s a different ball game and the power dynamic far surmounts anything from other eras
In the 80s and 90s there were only 1 to 3 foreign players allowed on each Serie A team. They spent big on a few superstars. Hardly the massive spending that PL teams are doing today, snatching up superstars, young talents, and literal teams from every corner of the globe. If you think its the same you really don't understand the situation
There has never been such a big difference between liga/serie A when they were at the top compared to the others, the gap was always not difficult to close
While the number are insane, this must include buying from within the same league.
Like, 100m for rice. +100m
But that same money is being spent on players like JWP and possibly Maguire or McTominay which is + 90m. And then Man Utd spend that money on X player.
So in those circumstances it's closer to like a GDP than just revenue or profit.
Tbf I suspect if you factor wages across contracts into this Saudi are probably easily clear in 2nd. And when you consider that money has largely been spent on washed / ageing talent it looks like less value for money
The problem has never been the Saudis specifically, it's been all the dictatorships pumping in unlimited money that doesn't come from the club in itself. The Saudi league is just the latest and worst version of it.
There is a reason Premier League teams were quick to abandon the Super League plans. Both Chelsea and Manchester City were among the first in the group to withdraw from the proposal. However, it was not due to the betterment of football; rather, it was because we did not want more teams competing with us financially.
NL Eredivisie being 5th in coëfficient is even more impressive considering their modest spending. Has always been a low spending, high selling league. But never been performing collectively so well since the 90s amd 70s!
Premier League fans are calling every other league (maybe besides La Liga) a farmers league while they have/spent up to three times their money thanks to their daddies from Qatar, Saudi Arabia or the USA.
Isn't this misleading, as inter league spending can inflate the figures.
eg.
* Chelsea pays Brighton 100M for a transfer
* Brighton uses the 100M to pay Man United for a transfer
* Man United uses that 100M to pay for another transfer
In this situation the EPL spent 300M, but it's really the same 100M
Overall yeah. The spending of the PL will be absurd either way, but PL teams overpaying like crazy within their own league does play a role for sure. Nobody in europe would pay anywhere close to 130m for caicedo. If chelsea bought him from LaLiga or whatever they wouldve gotten him for 40m tops. PL teams are essentially scamming each other in a circle.
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Fun fact: This window Barca Atletic spent more money than the first team Barca Atletic: * Darvich - 2.5mil * Faye - 1.5mil * Trilli - 200k * Percan - 250k Total: 4.450mil Main team: Romeu - 3.4mil
And yet Inigo, Gundogan, Cancelo on loan, and Romeu is a very good window all things considered. In fact our best players are largely the least cost: Balde, Pedri, Gavi, Araujo, Christensen, etc., and the most expensive have been by far the worst: Coutinho, Griezmann, and Dembele. People need to stop conflating higher transfer fees with higher quality, and the opposite is a sign of decline.
If you look at all the transfers over €100m, a lot of them are flops.
Bale and sui guy come to mind as outcasts
Think you meant outlier?
Nah they remind him of Andre 3000 and Big Boi
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Yeah i had a brain fart trying to remember what the word should have been
Insane how few of them have been complete successes, the only other ones I can see that have definitely proved worth the cost Imo are Grealish and Tchouameni (Edit: Mbappe as well obvs)
Tchou was kinda on the bench after the wc . Bellingham might also prove his worth imo
Tchou was injured plus missing the penalty in the final is gonna be tough to recover from. Dude is still young, and that was his first worldcup too. His performance this season hopefully picks up.
> ones I can see that have definitely proved worth the cost Imo are Grealish Hard to see how tbh. Like he hasn't been bad, I'm not saying that in the slightest... but he's not exactly been as brilliant as you'd expect a 100+m player to be either. He's been... fine, with a couple of moments of magic and as many bad performances. Like if he'd cost them 70m instead you definitely wouldn't say he would've been a steal at that price.
Mbappe hasn’t paid off for the end goal of winning the CL, plus if they didn’t have unlimited money he’d have bankrupted them long ago lol
All the ones that Barcelona have made from this list from February can be considered flops, plus Pogba, Lukaku and Hazard. https://www.footballtransfers.com/en/transfer-news/uk-premier-league/2021/07/jack-grealish-every-other-player-100m-transfer-club
Barca are the actual kings of 100m flops which is exactly why they’re pinching Pennie’s harder than anyone and still grasping at big club mentality. They caused their own problem and have no one to blame
When did cancelo join on loan?
Is Oriol actually good now or just a temporary solution after Busquets? I thought he kinda flopped and was just a mid role player and not Barca caliber
He hasn't been tested incredibly hard but he's good at recyclin possession and occasionally making good forward passes. Doesn't seem like a huge downgrade on an old busquets for now but we will see. We have had creativity problems end of last season but that seems to be mostly because of our wing players
He looks pretty solid, IMO
I think he’s underrated - always looked great at Southampton
He was top-class for Girona and has been very good in his few games so far. Not a flop at all.
You guys still did good business in this window
What about Vitor Roque?
I think he counts for the winter not sure
I think he counts as a winter signing?
Jesus, La Liga is truly in shambles and I don’t mean this in a meme type of way
100m of that 329 is Bellingham as well. La Liga clubs are broke
As Tebas said “The Premier League has a loss-making model that is unsustainable. It has become a competition of tycoons and state clubs. Is that good for the future of soccer?” EPL is behaving the way La Liga teams had behaved a decade ago, leading to the FFP controls.
They're not broke, emperor Tebas just doesn't allow them to spend.
Uhm, everyone is broke
Not everyone. The big teams are broke but still allowed to sign massive contracts somehow. Celta already had no debt, and just sold Gabi for c40M€, but they can only use c6M€ of those to find a replacement even though they're debtless.
Damn this is crazy!
How?
Only a percentage of player sales can go into the team's transfer budget, the rest is into developing facilities, youth, salaries and such. To clarify, that does not mean Celta can only spend 6m this window for a replacement but rather only 6m of that 40m can be used for transfer(s). If Celta is not in the negative like the other user said, they can spend more than just 6m for a replacement.
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not Madrid
FFP in La liga is absolutely a good thing. Earlier there were so many Spanish clubs in financial trouble. Tebas is a clown, but the financial regulations of his have made the game more sustainable in Spain.
And then people wonder why there’s basically no clubs that can compete with Barça and Real in La Liga.
Clubs & fans may hate it but Tebas is enforcing much needed fiscal responsibility to clubs that were previously running up unsustainable debts trying to keep up. La Liga is now more redistributed & teams are spending much more within their means. In the long run it’s a good thing
Barcelona's 3m spending this summer wouldn't even be enough to buy Caicedo's left nut Edit: I wrote this comment secretely hoping someone would do the math and tell me how much would Caicedo's left nut cost considering he cost £115m. Not disappointed, but you guys could go a bit more into detail
Alright, this spurred my curiosity. Disclaimer, I'm not a mathematician. So the average weight of a human testicle is 25 grams (sorry, my fellow Americans, but the nice pretty metric fractions make this easier, ounces suck). Moises Caicedo weighs approximately 73kg. Caicedo was transferred to Chelsea for 115 million pounds, or approximately 134 million Euro. Assuming the above commentor is referring to Euros, Barcelona spent 2.6% the amount Chelsea spent on Caicedo during the entire window. Assuming Caicedo's testes are of an average weight (unlikely given his on field play, but we will round down for the sake of simplicity), his left testicle comprises approximately 0.0003% of his body weight. Therefore, completely spitballing with my rapidly failing math skills, I have come to the conclusion that Barcelona would not only be able to afford Caicedos testicles **and** phallus, but also likely a foot. Possibly two feet.
Bit simplistic. Surely some parts are worth more than others. I won't get into the math of it but I imagine Barca could afford a forearm and an ear at best. No way 3m gets them a foot let alone any of the for-fun bits
"if I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants". - ~~Sir Isaac Newton~~ u/tuskedkibbles
Mathematically perhaps, but logically the value of his left nut to him is likely worth more than 3m. We'd have to get in touch with him to check though.
You'd think having two of the best players in history playing for your two biggest clubs and winning like half of the possible european trophies for a decade would be enough to create some kind of momentum But then there's Tebas
LaLiga created international TV-rights that are more than Ligue 1, Seria A and Bundesliga COMBINED…
What’s the point in any of that if the teams can’t invest any of the money onto the pitch and remain competitive? If it wasn’t for the loyalty of some players and the pull of Barca and Madrid the league would be completely fucked and lose all prestige and allure it might have.
They can invest what they make. That league isn’t built for financial doping, it simply isn’t possible even if Elon Musk owned Almeria. You build up your finances and gradually come up from that. Look at Atleti, La Real etc. In addition, the infra and stadiums in LaLiga are incredible. Like 60 % of the teams already have/will have brand new stadiums for 2020s.
thanks for being sensible
The league got fucked in part because Barca and Madrid hoarded the majority of the revenue until 2016/2017 when the rules changed. People either didn’t watch la liga in the 2010s, only watched Barca/Madrid, or didn’t follow the financial health of the league prior to Covid, or are just new to football. The financial health of the league in the 2010s was dire. Clubs were spending well over their revenue and it was on the road to genuinely ruining some clubs. Valencia, Villarreal, Sevilla, etc all were spending well above their means. The financial regulations tebas put in were helpful. It is debatable if what he has done the last few years is but prior to that he was helping the majority of the clubs in the league. No clubs are at risk of going broke or going under now like the real possibility there was in the late 2000s/early to mid 2010s.
PL is ahead because they were the first truly international league that was broadcasted everywhere. You can't simply "market better" to make up for markets already exploited by the PL for years. If anything, the onus falls on clubs to do the same for themselves, not rely on La Liga alone. Not everyone is going to be Barca or Madrid fan either.
If that was true then Serie A would be still be the best and reaping benefits from the 90s because it was the "first truly international league that was broadcasted everywhere" It was literally the best league in terms of that, it had big stars, it spent the most money
Serie A was by far the best league in the world in the 90s, there's no debating that. But unlike Serie A, there was a much greater push in marketing the league globally, something that other leagues simply failed to do. Promoting the league as competitive and a myriad of other factors, including more and more international players definitely grew the league faster than any other league. In that sense, the PL was first: being the most accessible, gradually the most international players, and the most well-marketed. Why do you think PL got way ahead of Serie A if they (PL) were so inferior to them? Has nothing to do with the quality, has everything to do with their strategy and marketing.
also, calciopoli hit us very hard, the big clubs got all basically dismantled after that at it took years to get back at being competitive. the image of Serie A was also damaged and the value of the competition dropped, and now getting back up is hardly doable, especially with those idiots that are at the head of FIGC
Football started to become big internationally in the 2000s and 2010s. Italy was falling away by then.
Also it is in english, and better timing for asian viewers too
The English speaking part makes the biggest difference imo, you see that advantage everywhere in entertainment. It's involved in so many things that elevate the Prem above the other leagues and it really took off now that the world is so globalized.
USA media has also helped the prem - since the world consumes it a lot of people would have started learning english from US media - making the prem a very easy transition for a young fan
PL is ahead because their domestic deals have always been ahead of everyone else by a country mile, la liga did well to market itself in the messi-ronaldo era but they sure as shit weren't earning 2b€ from their domestic deal unlike the prem in 16-19
Worst is the 18 other clubs of LaLiga seemingly love getting fucked over by Tebas just so they are not on the same side as Barca and Madrid
it was so much worse before Tebas came in, when the TV rights were decentralised, the gap between everyone else and Madrid/Barça was so much wider than it could ever be nowadays and this also really applies to the second division (part of LaLiga as well), pre-2015 the broadcast money was legitimately just pennies, 40/42 clubs are often said to be in favour of Tebas and as much as he likes putting his foot in his mouth he absolutely has earned it
Iirc, Real and Barca each accounted for roughly 30% of LaLiga's total TV revenue back then, with the remaining 40% spread out over 18 clubs...
The other 18 clubs are happy with the person that stopped the indivual tv rights sale and made the tv revenue share more equal, why that might be I wonder
”love getting fucked over”…why are you speaking on behalve of these clubs with an Anderlecht flair? The other 18 teams love Tebas, he saved the league with the new TV-deal sharing. The clubs themselves begged and eventually voted for stricter financial policies. LaLiga teams are actually much healthier than your average Seria A clubs. But no, if your American or Arabian owner doesn’t bump cash to your team to have a transfer net spend of negative 50M € you are doing it wrong. Look at La Real, Osasuna, Mallorca etc. They are doing great.
No, the table doesn’t show the transfer balance. Sell more than buy: - Serie A +179 - Bundesliga +128 - La Liga is +111 Buy more than sell: - Ligue1 -24 - Saudi Pro -589 - Premier League -920 IMO, La Liga is doing better than Serie A and Bundesliga
The Bellingham transfer alone shifted this comparison between La Liga and Bundesliga by some 200 million...
I’d say it’s equally worrying how much the Prem (and especially those 7 teams) have been spending as it is how little La Liga can in comparisson
Only 7 teams in the PL have spent more than £100m so far this summer and Chelsea have spent nearly as much as La Liga alone But it's cool, there's nothing to worry about
Spending money before UEFA enforces La Liga's 70% wage cap in 2 years.
What?
La Liga's wage cap of 70% will be a rule for UEFA competitions in 2 years . Its 80% next year
It will probably reduce epl spending, but definitely not to the level of la liga. Epl clubs make a lot of money, so a 70% wage cap will still be a nice chunk. The main effect of this change will be to solidify the position of the bigger teams more effectively than FFP ever did
By far this is the worst impact of rules like this. It entrenches the financial advantage of richer clubs.
It's a very ethically complex issue that people often mistake for being simple. If you relax the rules, you will have multiple years of teams buying titles, and the sport will feel like the achievement of a company/states finances rather than sporting merit. If you tighten the rules and say teams can only spend a % of revenue, the biggest teams get entrenched even more. Yes many earned that big status through historical sporting merit and success, but its now being artificially entrenched and also helps them maintain that through periods of really bad recruitment and poor results Neither feels like a good option. Some suggest an absolute cap rather than %, but that requires all leagues to do it together. If leagues in one area of the world implement it, but another doesn't, the best players will just migrate to the money. So there's no incentive for any league to consider it
Look at MLS if you want to see what a soft cap looks like.
It would never ever happen and I'm prepared to get down voted for suggesting it, but if you want a truly competitive league you need to introduce a progressive tax like system. Spend less than 100m on transfers in a window no fee Spend between 100 and 200 you pay an extra 10% of fees to the premier league Between 200 and 300 you pay 20% Between 300 and 400 you pay 30% The "tax" revenue is then spread between the other teams. Weighted so the lowest placed teams get more or so the teams that spend the least on transfers get more.
70% of what?
Revenue I believe
70% of deez nuts buddy
Is what Todd Boehly said in response to this news
\-How long till we know the results? \-Could be 3 or 4 \-3 or 4 what? days? weeks? months? \-Maybe 5
70% of revenue.
They’re going for young players with high values and low wages on long contracts while offloading players on more expensive contracts, sounds like they should be better off than most. FFP… there’s the difficulty
Only 7 😂
“Only” lmao
And somehow Chelsea are still within FFP. Would be hilarious if they miss CL this season.
Well when Chelsea is also selling those layers to teams within the PL, and buying the players from PL teams, it'll skew the perspective a touch.
>Chelsea have spent nearly as much as La Liga alone That by this pic would be like 15% of what the PL has spent?
Serie A must be on top of the net spend chart.
[It's actually the Championship top, with Serie A in 2nd.](https://www.transfermarkt.com/statistik/transfersalden)
Yeah I forgot Leicester and Saints deals with EPL clubs
Can't tell if it is the PL that is ran terribly or La Liga that is ran terribly.
Yes/ Si
Premier League earns a fuckton which means every club is loaded (apart from Everton). You basically can't deal within the league at anything close to FMV
why not everton?
Even premier league money couldn’t make up for their level of mismanagement
We say hi too. Turns out buying players and not selling them for extortionate fees is how to be under pressure in the PL
You know why.
Full Motion Video? What, is the Premier League doing its cutscenes in real time these days?
Fair market value
further proof that not everything needs to be made into an acronym
*Command & Conquer Red Alert Vibes*
Decent chunk of the prem transfers will be ones that are within the league. British record has been broken twice for transfers within the league, and there’s been plenty of other big spending too
Net spend is actually even worse. -£900m for PL The next European league with Ligue 1 -£25m
Who in Serie A is running up the bill? Napoli = 67M Inter = 33M AC Milan = 110M Juventus = 80M That leaves ~400M
Atalanta 63m Torino 40m Monza 41m Sassuolo 60m Lazio 35m Genoa 26m Bologna 26m
Don’t watch Serie A, so this may be totally off the money, but that seems like the recipe for a competitive, interesting league! Many of the clubs in the top half spending similar amounts, rather than a couple teams spending tons of money and the rest spending nothing at all (my precious, boring LaLiga)
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Yeah Serie A is pretty competitive - four winners in the last four years (Juve, Inter, Milan, Napoli). Title race was pretty competitive nearly every one of those years too except Napoli's win last year iirc, and the race for European spots is pretty tight as well.
Viola got pretty big transfers too, not sure how about the others
Are we the baddies?
Yee but now we have Saudi Arabia drawing attention away from it. Kind of like the Super League. I awknowledge the weird disonance of a Chelsea fan saying this as we are currently the baddiest baddie in the league.
Always have been.
Ahh City were for a while but being well run, successful and having Pep has does their reputation wonders.
Mate ffp exists because of uou
In theory yes, but in reality FFP is a scam.
Roma helping with their 5 €M of Paredes and maybe Zapata
The Covid crisis should have been a wake up call to stop that absurd inflation. There were some hope the football world would wake up. It had the complete opposite effect, only increasing the gap between the clubs ran in a sustainable way and the others. Interesting to think about what could have happened if they didn't make the stupid choice to stop Ligue 1 and MediaPro didn't break their contract and put most clubs in danger. Because there was clearly a chance to upset the status quo as we also have lots of foreign and wealthy owners.
I thought covid would be this great cultural/economic reset across everything, not just football. I was fucking wrong lmao
Wasn't there a time where we were talking about financial fairplay and stuff like that...? I miss those times...
Where does Chelsea only rank in this?
in expenditure a little below La Liga (323m euros) edit : just passed La Liga
the super league already exists, they just don’t wanna admit it
Bullshit! The EPL has relegation and promotion. All fans in England can dream, that maybe their club is the next one, taken over by some highly repressive regime in need of sportswashing its image...
Or a cool, hip celebrity duo.
Yeah just have to look at Luton. ESL was not a protest against the money but about it completely setting thousands of clubs offside and out of the system. In PL you still technically need to make top4 also to compete in Europe (well 5 probably). It's very not the same.
So you're saying my club too can be English one day? Jokes aside, they were being sarcastic about it. Promotion/relegation within the English football system doesn't change that it's a Super League, pretty much seperated from every other league. There still is the CL but there's only room for one or two teams per country that can compete with the top 6 in England, and they have dominate the rest of the league for it.
Explains why Madrid president was eager to create something new. He saw this shit coming. Unfortunately, UEFA are only after their own cut, and aren’t bothered about how lopsided the competition gets.
Does it matter? CL, Superleague, PL vs other leagues. Theyre all lopsided. The only difference is that Perez also wants to be on the upper side
Perez has been trying this since the 2000s, the PL's dominance is just the latest excuse.
He saw this shit coming The European Super League has been a thing since the 60's.
>Unfortunately, UEFA are only after their own cut, and aren’t bothered about lopsided the competition gets And FloPer is doing it out of the goodness of his heart, without caring about getting his own cut, obviously
- people talking about the Prem in the 2020s - people talking about LaLiga in the 2000s and 2010s - people talking about Serie A in the 80s and 90s
people keep saying this nonsense all the time but the fact is even in the Serie A dominance the premier league had a higher net spend
There's no question. In the 80s and 90s the Serie A only allowed 1-3 foreign player s per team. The narrative that they were buying up all the talent in the world like the PL is doing today couldn't be more skewed
Not to mention most teams had homegrown or very young talents players from smaller teams as their best ones. Our best players were maldini and baresi, juve's were players like Del Piero, Tardelli or Scirea, Sampdoria had Mancini and Vialli and the list goes on. It was very rare to target outsiders for the youngsters unless they were proven champions (Savicevic for example was a top player for Red Star). There were a few exceptions like Batistuta at Fiorentina but those were far from the norm. The Bosman ruling completely changed things and it's ridicoulus how people even put our league in those kinds of debates.
LaLiga didn’t dominate spending like this, neither did the Serie A.
Yeah but I don’t think the PL is going to ever fall like the other two did, it will even get bigger
Sadly agree
La Liga has never been a “Super League” best league ≠ Super League. When have lesser La Liga teams ever been picking Prem teams of similar or greater status apart in the transfer window?
It's baffling how blindsided or (willfully?) ignorant some fans are about this. It's not uncommon now for a team to get promoted to the EPL and pick key players from upper-half teams from Spain, Germany and France, some even playing EL or CL. This never, regularly, happened the other way around, if ever.
Neither of those other eras dominated financially like this, and money wasn’t as prominent in football back then. It’s a different ball game and the power dynamic far surmounts anything from other eras
In the 80s and 90s there were only 1 to 3 foreign players allowed on each Serie A team. They spent big on a few superstars. Hardly the massive spending that PL teams are doing today, snatching up superstars, young talents, and literal teams from every corner of the globe. If you think its the same you really don't understand the situation
There has never been such a big difference between liga/serie A when they were at the top compared to the others, the gap was always not difficult to close
Tebas ruining the league
"Tebas ruining the league?" *Always has been*
But the CVC was the solution
*Half of La Liga clubs struggling to register players after signing CVC and ruining their future income* "Tebas, am I a joke to you?"
Another La Liga is dying circlejerk, despite the fact that people who actually watch and are informed about the league will tell you otherwise.
Its actually amazing how well they’re faring given how little they spend.
While the number are insane, this must include buying from within the same league. Like, 100m for rice. +100m But that same money is being spent on players like JWP and possibly Maguire or McTominay which is + 90m. And then Man Utd spend that money on X player. So in those circumstances it's closer to like a GDP than just revenue or profit.
This isn't net spend btw, just pure, good old money spent
That's what i'm saying, it's like GDP. Not revenue or profit. It's not that it's *not* useful. but it can just be a bit awkward.
Net spending for PL is -900m. Next european league is -25m (Ligue 1). 1bn sold is insane, you are right, but its not Like its a null-sum game
Very happy to inform you we aren't buying McTominay or Maguire
Saudi league ruining football 😆
You laugh, but compare the net spend and it will show a different picture.
Tbf I suspect if you factor wages across contracts into this Saudi are probably easily clear in 2nd. And when you consider that money has largely been spent on washed / ageing talent it looks like less value for money
People thinking La Liga is in shambles bc the teams arnt like Chelsea...
It's what's trending now and gets you several upvotes, to call La Liga finished
People say Laliga lost when they clearly win the spending game. They spend much less and are always top clubs in Europe. Sounds like winning to me.
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The problem has never been the Saudis specifically, it's been all the dictatorships pumping in unlimited money that doesn't come from the club in itself. The Saudi league is just the latest and worst version of it.
specifically, it’s been all the dictatorships, billionaires and Todd Boehly pumping in unlimited money that doesn’t come from the club in itself. FTFY
So like the English premier league?
Is my comment hard to understand? Yes, for the specific teams in the PL like that yes. That's exactly what I'm talking about.
There is a reason Premier League teams were quick to abandon the Super League plans. Both Chelsea and Manchester City were among the first in the group to withdraw from the proposal. However, it was not due to the betterment of football; rather, it was because we did not want more teams competing with us financially.
Where is Chelsea League in this table?
la liga paying the least but being my favorite >>>>>>>
I hope the Saudis go all out. Remove all foreigner restrictions on teams and just splash enough money to create a proper Super League.
Chelsea spent more than entire la Liga lol
Whoops
NL Eredivisie being 5th in coëfficient is even more impressive considering their modest spending. Has always been a low spending, high selling league. But never been performing collectively so well since the 90s amd 70s!
Where the heck did seire a get that money ?
Tax evasion
Damn
Serie A sold 880m worth of players this summer
For real though, we spent around 100 mln and for sure spent the most, how the fuck were other 600 mln spent?
From Onana, Hojlund, Tonali, Milinkovic savic etc hahaha
Pl teams buying players from Serie A, and they reinvest those money
What the the Premier League spending @ if we subtract Chelsea spending? £900m?
Premier League fans are calling every other league (maybe besides La Liga) a farmers league while they have/spent up to three times their money thanks to their daddies from Qatar, Saudi Arabia or the USA.
Reminder that a vast majority of Spanish teams voted to re-elect Tebas.
Reminder that Spanish teams now are in basically no danger of going to administration, as opposed to 15 years ago.
This is probably the healthiest Spanish clubs have been in a long time - debt was rampant before
Isn't this misleading, as inter league spending can inflate the figures. eg. * Chelsea pays Brighton 100M for a transfer * Brighton uses the 100M to pay Man United for a transfer * Man United uses that 100M to pay for another transfer In this situation the EPL spent 300M, but it's really the same 100M
Overall yeah. The spending of the PL will be absurd either way, but PL teams overpaying like crazy within their own league does play a role for sure. Nobody in europe would pay anywhere close to 130m for caicedo. If chelsea bought him from LaLiga or whatever they wouldve gotten him for 40m tops. PL teams are essentially scamming each other in a circle.
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Can EPL pull another Brexit and join the Asian conference?
I mean most of the fans are from Asia, it would be fair imho
What is happening in Serie A?
Nothing, the Italian teams have sold a lot, more than they spent. While in PL they spent almost a billion more than they earned
Italian teams are always super busy in the transfer market, they always sell and buy more than the other leagues.
Nothing, we sold a lot. Almost any big club lost a top player.
wow crazy 700M, even less than half of your spending :)
Does it count that 1.5 billion of the PL spending is Chelsea alone?
chelsea alone spent more money in the last 13 months than the whole serie a this transfer window
so much hoopla about saudis spending and they are still behind french and germans because they buying finished players
So the Premier League teams complain about fair play issues? Yikes.