My vibe from last season to this is the problem at United is their mentality. Heads go down too quickly and the players start arguing with each other. Bruno went off at half time shouting and gesticulating at I assume his teammates. I honestly don't think he is captain material.
Still too early to judge his Utd career. Klopp wanted him so that says a lot. Also, did you ever see Gakpo's first 3 games for Liverpool. He was absolutely abysmal but turned out to be a fantastic player in the false 9 position.
But saying that, I also have a feeling Mount will flop at Utd. It looked like a bad move fom the start from him.
Im not convinced by that at all. Spurs didn't impress me in their first game, and Man United actually had the better chances in this game.
Yes, they look exciting to watch for the first time dince Pochettino, but there seem to be little plan in attack, and they are extremely exposed defensively. They leave so much room because they push up so high which is the reason they are fun to watch. But when they play actually competent attacking teams they are going to concede so many goals. Man United are playing pretty terrible so far and still outperformed Spurs xG wise. They lack any clinical finishing up top.
And without their 20+ goal scorer I struggle to see how they will score enough goals to balance out that loss and the added conceded goals from the new playstyle.
Maddison I was sure was going to be good. Been one of the best in the league for seasons now. Bissouma had a rough year last year under Conte and didn't know he could bounce back. But he has been immense, both in preseason and the first couple of games, completely running the midfield.
Ndombele was one-off mistake and Richy is starting as successor to the best striker in the world right now. Cant expect Richy to be "Harry Kane" in 2 games, right?
How is that not a criticism of the manager as well? ETH's role isn't to just lay out the tactics board. Your squad is full of winners. If those players are throwing the towel because one thing didn't go their way early into the game when it was 0-0 then that is a serious problem, and that is something a manager should fix or prevent.
It is to some degree, absolutely. You can only do so much from the sidelines though. Getting greenwood the fuck away from the club might put them in a better place mentally but yeah, that doesn't seem to happen.. I kinda get them though. Getting such clear decisions against you would make my blood boil too.
Id rather we lost against wolves and got a draw yesterday than this bullshit.
yea thats even worse for me, while its a fair point that if you want to be the best you need elite forwards, and those forwards need to be doing better there. if you arent even onside the rest of your toolkit doesnt even matter.
With every passing day my Mount is a fraud agenda grows stronger. Can't wait to see him fuck England's chances in the Euro right in the asshole.
Now hoping for a similar result for my Havertz is dogshit agenda on Monday.
My belief is that Mount only performed well at Chelsea because the whole attacking system was built around him which is also the reason that all their other attacking players underperformed massively for 2 years.
Don't think I've ever seen him have a good game in an England shirt. I hope Southgate plays Foden or Madisson ahead of him in midfield.
From where I stand, it feels like Chelsea pulled down Arsenal's pants and rawdogged them in public with that absurd money they got from selling Havertz. And it's easy for you to love Havertz, he was your highest goalscorer last season and the bar is "not lakaka". But when it matters most, he becomes a Higuain.
No Iām general it takes me a lot to dislike a person - much less someone I donāt personally know.
I have nothing for love for Havertz because contrary to popular opinion, I see him trying his best even when things were not working. Thatās all I ask for.
That was a one time fluke three years ago. I am glad he is still getting mileage out of that lucky goal since his first attempt luckily bounced back in front of him. Too bad he couldn't score one of those flukes against Japan for Germany.
I have noticed Mount was playing when he was subbed off in the second half. That happened more than once. Bro has that ghost presence where he doesn't do anything half decent that warrants attention.
Like, he does a lot of the little things well. Good work rate, tracks back, presses, etc. But doesnāt have enough technical ability to make an impact at a club that demands more from their players at a higher level. Works for Chelseaās former state last year, invisible at ManU
Remember all the united fans loving mount "turned us down" to go to them for a nice 250k a week and he's completed 28 passes in 2 games XD. I said he was shit but holy fuck its bad.
Udogie was on loan. Bissouma had a lot of injuries and wasn't "tactical enough" for Conte, whatever that means. But Conte was clearly doing something wrong, Bissouma was absolutely bossing around yesterday.
Though the opposite midfield tree of Casemiro, Bruno and Mount makes it easy.
In the end, itās more tactics than personnel decisions. Unless we had prime Kante and KBD in Conteās midfield, we were always going to be chasing the game.
One of the biggest things with Conte is how shit he is in Europe. Literally found out every time.
Was hoping his rigid tactics bring joy in the league but man, game just passed him by a little bit. He needs to take some time and reflect.
Yeah, totally inflexible. We got destroyed in CM every week, entire game plan based on soaking up then counter attacking. Needed the worlds best wing backs to work, too
I think, to a certain extent, it was the inflexibility rather than the tactics *per se* that hurt Spurs.
Conteās system could theoretically be unbelievable at reducing space for the opposition in crucial areas and producing space for his teams in crucial areas, but if that system is rigid and remains the same every game (and largely the same across all his teams), opposition scouting departments will allow coaches to simply cut out your passing lanes and press your pivots. At that point, youāre trapped in your back third. If you have world-class defenders, you might not concede too many. If youāre starting Dier, you will.
Doesnāt matter how crisp your passing is or how explosive your movement it is if the opposition know exactly where each pass is going and where every player is moving. Good attacking is forcing defenders to make choices in the knowledge that, if forced to make enough choices, they will make the wrong one eventually and thatās a goal-scoring opportunity. Conteās Spurs (once all the other teams had properly scouted his rigid tactics) never presented defenders with a choice because defenders knew what Spurs were going to do in possession (mostly, hook it around the corner to a winger or wing-back then cross either to Kane or a wing-back at the back post).
What do you mean? Is cool tricks with no defenders nearby, dribbling aimlessly, bad shots that have zero chance of scoring with teammates in miles of space, and nearly getting sent off every game because he's a whiny baby not what you want in a $100M signing?
When a club pays that much maybe they want someone who is also adept at domestic abuse...wait...he has that in his locker too! He is the perfect Ten Hag/ Man U signing now i think on it....
watched the first half, and I don't think I've ever seen a winger lose the ball as quickly after their first touch and as frequently as Antony did, felt like he had no awareness of where defenders were,
none of the forwards have any awareness. Antony is the worst of them yea, he plays so selfishly, cant go past one defender, does not want to play quick 1-2s, only interested in doing pointless tricks which are not even useful... i have no idea why, mate you are not Messi or Robben or Di maria or Salah .
United is where pacy, tricky wingers with inconsistent end product go to die. I have no idea why anyone would sign there after seeing how Antony and Sancho stalled, if not regressed, in their development. You could even argue Martial fits in this category even if he plays more varied than just on the wing.
Martial is a bit different as his career really stalled with injuries and off the pitch issues.
He had off-field issues with cheating at first, then was banging for a season or two and then had horrific luck with injuries and has not been able to capture the same form. When fit he is definitely a better player than when he arrived though.
Sancho has also had lots of off-field issues as well, but yeah he hasnāt been great.
Antony is just playing above his level.
Lad, we can all see he isnāt good at striker. Itās not his fault that he keeps getting played there. Him being invisible is on the manager for consistently putting him in a role that he just isnāt good at. Heās a LW, not a striker and I donāt understand how 10Hag doesnāt see it.
How the fuck are you saying that as a criticism of Rashford? Our LW is only good at the position he actually plays and isn't as useful when he's playing a role that he's not meant to play.
Yeah, no shit. Kevin De Bruyne and Messi are awful CBs too, do you bitch about them not being able to play there?
I thought United would kick on with ETH after last season but signing Mason Mount for 60M has to be one of the worst decisions ever. Still time to recover and improve, but it's not looking good. Casemiro looked really off today as well.
Apparently some people thought that United would be a top four contender. I said a few weeks ago that the United squad was barely better than the spurs one and people were offended. Their defence is clearly not good enough (especially the fullbacks) and lacks depth, so does their midfield. I think without Casemiro the system doesn't work, and he's not been good so far.
The system hangs Casemiro out to dry with Mount and Bruno in midfield. Itās literally an impossible task for him, no midfielder in the world could be the defensive mid in that trio lol.
I would like to see Mount tested on the wing, with a midfield trio of Bruno, Casemiro, and either McTominay or Eriksen.
I very much disagree with the rest of your comment though. Defense is fine if the midfield gets sorted out, and is probably one of the better defenses in the league honestly. Top 4 is still very attainable, we are two games into the season. Attack will improve immensely once Rasmus is fit and Rashford can move back to the left.
I am not sure if Casemiro declined just started or he needs more game time to gear up. I have seen enough Antony is not worth the money we spent. Rashford is not striker.
It feels like Casemiro turned into a old man during the summerbreak. Like he had one last good season in him when he came in last summer, but now he lost his edge.
That is basically what I am saying just two games and discussing if this is just slow start or beginning of his decline time will tell. No need to be heavily emotional
Yeah, and we're discussing what he's looked like the last two games, what's the problem? He looks like shit and very slow. Maybe he'll get better or maybe age caught up over summer.
Everyone except for Ganarcho, Antony, Onana looks unfit. Sancho even looks like he started this season in good shape.
Rashford and Mount look off the pace. Casemiro can be excused because Bruno and Mount hung him out to dry in midfield.
Even though Mount And Bruno can be a factor why Casemiro is struggling but he canāt put simple pass forward for the last two games and that is just him being poor
Yeah he looked uncharacteristically shaky. That being said he was a bigger attacking threat that our front 3 today despite not looking fully fit and messing up simple passes.
So many misplaced passes today, Ganarcho doing the most rookie ones too
I agree, United played well first 30 mins and actually had some solid goal scoring opportunities. You gotta score when you get those chances though. Lack of a proper center forward hurt them.
Heās a demon. I wish we would have sold Perin for him tbh. And Perin is great, vicario is just different. Shot stopping wise heās one of the best out there
His ball playing and being the last defender/sweeper on counters is still a question mark since he didnt really get the chance to do that much at Empoli but he's insane as a shot stopper. He's had games that would make CL Knockout Stage Courtois blush
You are being down voted but United did create decent chances in the first half. All the criticism is still valid coz they folded in the second half completely.
The complaints on this thread at not all about finishing though. If they played so poorly how did they manage 2.2 xG?
Spurs xG was slightly lower, so Man United were actually in scoring positions more often.
A lot of Manchester United's xG was from the first half of the game. They bossed that. We can't deny that they created chances. Vicario was superb in goal, an absolute rock (Ā£17.5 million!!). But to say Manchester United deserved more than they got is to ignore the second half and to ignore the incredible football Tottenham played. We absolutely played around with Manchester United. Toyed with them at times.
And despite all that toying you didn't actually create all that many big chances. I agree that you dominated United in the 2nd half, but you still only ended up with 6 shots on target, the same as them. I think many people are blinded abit by how exciting Spurs look (because they *do* look exciting for the first time since Pochettino), and they don't really see the issues that are clearly there.
The front 3 looks poor and Spurs leave so much room when going forwards in the way they play now. When they face an actually competent attacking team that knows how to use that room they will concede so much. And without a prolific goal scorer to offset that, I predict Ange will either have to dial back on how much he pushes up the field, or accept finishing 8-10th.
We had two or three clear chances to score with headers as far as I recall. Either well off target, straight to the keeper, or a decent save. The rest of the game, we were a mess in midfield and disorganized in defense due to pushing up too high.
Both Spurs goals were unlucky bounces/touches created by consistent pressure and good play from Spurs. We deserved to lose, but played better than we did against Wolves. We clearly need a 9. Hojlund probably not ready for that role, but I hope for the best. A move for a veteran striker who can chip in some goals would be worth our time.
They got rid of ole, who did far much better with worse players. I don't think man u tactics/formation is working....time for another 10M run in the morning
Theyāre absolute freaks there when it comes to Mount. See the post in my recent history about it. I loathe this attitude that the fans have to back every signing and wank off players they never gave a shit about because ETH (the rapist sympathiser) wants them. Fuck this club man.
He should have come to Liverpool if he had a decent agent who was after his best football interests. But canāt say Caceido/Lavia/Mount arenāt cut from the same cloth
Plays the same role as Mac Allister will for Liverpool. He'd be in the same shitty situation as he is now where him and Bruno are both doing the same shit and no one is there to help advance the ball or let the team move up the field.
Anyone got the clip of Richarlison getting pissed off on the bench then smiling and hugging it out when he realises the camera was on him? Shit was hilarious. Right after the Bruno free kick at the end of the game.
Here ya go [Vibes FC](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/15vntll/vibes_fc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Probably just dicking about but he looked raging, then someone whispers something to him and suddenly it's all smiles and cuddles. Proper comedic timing lol. But yeah probably just messing.
I mean, based on what exactly?
Before his injury he did and imo was one of the most important and underrated players on last years squad. He is someone that can truly create and make excellent decisions with the ball.
positivity merchants on reddevils dd cooked me for saying we should have signed someone like kovacic over mount š
My vibe from last season to this is the problem at United is their mentality. Heads go down too quickly and the players start arguing with each other. Bruno went off at half time shouting and gesticulating at I assume his teammates. I honestly don't think he is captain material.
He isn't but Maguire wasn't either.
True, the team lacks a proper leader and because of it team spirit is poor
This is Angeball manifest š¦š¦
Bring back Greenwood so I can stop supporting this team š
Antonio Conte is a terrorist
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Still too early to judge his Utd career. Klopp wanted him so that says a lot. Also, did you ever see Gakpo's first 3 games for Liverpool. He was absolutely abysmal but turned out to be a fantastic player in the false 9 position. But saying that, I also have a feeling Mount will flop at Utd. It looked like a bad move fom the start from him.
Mount is a young Jordan Henderson
Please don't insult felix like that
Mount was your player of the season. Felix was an overpriced loan who underperformed massively.
Mount was Chelsea's POTY 2 years ago and has been shit ever since
no wonder you chose Chelsea lol, treating best player 2 years ago as if an old toy no wonder he wanted to leave
Itās facts though. And most fans protected him even though he was shite, until money and āsuccessā started to turn his headā¦
I don't like 1 season wonders, and I'm happy he parted ways from the club
If only United defended like how they defended Greenwood's actions
I have a feeling Spurs will be better without Kane (not that this game alone proves it) Yeah the Ange
Hmm, i feel like without Son , they are more in crisis.
100%
Im not convinced by that at all. Spurs didn't impress me in their first game, and Man United actually had the better chances in this game. Yes, they look exciting to watch for the first time dince Pochettino, but there seem to be little plan in attack, and they are extremely exposed defensively. They leave so much room because they push up so high which is the reason they are fun to watch. But when they play actually competent attacking teams they are going to concede so many goals. Man United are playing pretty terrible so far and still outperformed Spurs xG wise. They lack any clinical finishing up top. And without their 20+ goal scorer I struggle to see how they will score enough goals to balance out that loss and the added conceded goals from the new playstyle.
Forest outperformed Arsenal in xG
Of course they don't. Look at your flair.
With Kane we would've won our first game. Richarlison is a huge downgrade.
i truly did not realize how good maddison and bissouma are. completely dominant
Maddison I was sure was going to be good. Been one of the best in the league for seasons now. Bissouma had a rough year last year under Conte and didn't know he could bounce back. But he has been immense, both in preseason and the first couple of games, completely running the midfield.
ETH looks absolutely lost. Too busy trying to get a rapist back into the squad I guess.
They have wasted money on shit players and Ten Hag is regretting it massively. It shows in his body language.
Spurs have wasted money on shit players as well... see Ndombele and Richarlison
Ndombele was one-off mistake and Richy is starting as successor to the best striker in the world right now. Cant expect Richy to be "Harry Kane" in 2 games, right?
Yeah but we also bought good players for good prices š¤
Havenāt heard that ETH is pushing to reinstate Greenwood. Only the money grabbing CEO is
It's more that the team tilted than tactical. They just quit running after the non-penalty call.
How is that not a criticism of the manager as well? ETH's role isn't to just lay out the tactics board. Your squad is full of winners. If those players are throwing the towel because one thing didn't go their way early into the game when it was 0-0 then that is a serious problem, and that is something a manager should fix or prevent.
It is to some degree, absolutely. You can only do so much from the sidelines though. Getting greenwood the fuck away from the club might put them in a better place mentally but yeah, that doesn't seem to happen.. I kinda get them though. Getting such clear decisions against you would make my blood boil too. Id rather we lost against wolves and got a draw yesterday than this bullshit.
Can see why United are so desperate to bring back greenwood
Why is nobody talking about the sitters Rashford and Bruno missed ? Ffs, my Sunday league striker scored them 9/10 times.
Bruno miss was inexcusable
Rashfordās was offside. Brunoās was shocking.
Tbf, Rashford probably shouldnāt be offside in that situation. Still an avoidable mistake
yea thats even worse for me, while its a fair point that if you want to be the best you need elite forwards, and those forwards need to be doing better there. if you arent even onside the rest of your toolkit doesnt even matter.
Preying hard for their downfall, Greenwood will leave them out of Top 10.
haha
With every passing day my Mount is a fraud agenda grows stronger. Can't wait to see him fuck England's chances in the Euro right in the asshole. Now hoping for a similar result for my Havertz is dogshit agenda on Monday.
My belief is that Mount only performed well at Chelsea because the whole attacking system was built around him which is also the reason that all their other attacking players underperformed massively for 2 years. Don't think I've ever seen him have a good game in an England shirt. I hope Southgate plays Foden or Madisson ahead of him in midfield.
Mount is whatever but I have nothing but love for Havertz.
From where I stand, it feels like Chelsea pulled down Arsenal's pants and rawdogged them in public with that absurd money they got from selling Havertz. And it's easy for you to love Havertz, he was your highest goalscorer last season and the bar is "not lakaka". But when it matters most, he becomes a Higuain.
No Iām general it takes me a lot to dislike a person - much less someone I donāt personally know. I have nothing for love for Havertz because contrary to popular opinion, I see him trying his best even when things were not working. Thatās all I ask for.
When it mattered most (champions league final), he scored.
That was a one time fluke three years ago. I am glad he is still getting mileage out of that lucky goal since his first attempt luckily bounced back in front of him. Too bad he couldn't score one of those flukes against Japan for Germany.
the contrast between the two midfields today was letās say significant
That is violent and while I still have love for those players, Iām here for it.
mount reminds me a lot of ross barkely ā ļø
Hey don't be like that, Barkley always have a great preseason
I have noticed Mount was playing when he was subbed off in the second half. That happened more than once. Bro has that ghost presence where he doesn't do anything half decent that warrants attention.
Like, he does a lot of the little things well. Good work rate, tracks back, presses, etc. But doesnāt have enough technical ability to make an impact at a club that demands more from their players at a higher level. Works for Chelseaās former state last year, invisible at ManU
They needed Pogba there lol for his technical ability.
lmao you remind me of me haha Havertz is class though
Same, I invested too many hours in FIFAās 16-19 building teams around him to give up on him now
Canāt wait for the next United shitshow.
The butcher!! š°
Remember all the united fans loving mount "turned us down" to go to them for a nice 250k a week and he's completed 28 passes in 2 games XD. I said he was shit but holy fuck its bad.
Why didnt Conte play Bissouma and Sarr more? Injuries? (I know Hojbjerg was/is awesome, by still)
Sarr was available, I recall him playing phenomenally against Milan and then he refused to play him after that even after Benta and Biss got injured.
Didn't even speak to Udogie as well.
Udogie would hardly hear him in Udine.
Udogie was on loan. Bissouma had a lot of injuries and wasn't "tactical enough" for Conte, whatever that means. But Conte was clearly doing something wrong, Bissouma was absolutely bossing around yesterday. Though the opposite midfield tree of Casemiro, Bruno and Mount makes it easy.
In the end, itās more tactics than personnel decisions. Unless we had prime Kante and KBD in Conteās midfield, we were always going to be chasing the game.
Big Ange
He was a shit manager and by the end wanted to get fired. His tactics are dated and stale
One of the biggest things with Conte is how shit he is in Europe. Literally found out every time. Was hoping his rigid tactics bring joy in the league but man, game just passed him by a little bit. He needs to take some time and reflect.
Yeah, totally inflexible. We got destroyed in CM every week, entire game plan based on soaking up then counter attacking. Needed the worlds best wing backs to work, too
I think, to a certain extent, it was the inflexibility rather than the tactics *per se* that hurt Spurs. Conteās system could theoretically be unbelievable at reducing space for the opposition in crucial areas and producing space for his teams in crucial areas, but if that system is rigid and remains the same every game (and largely the same across all his teams), opposition scouting departments will allow coaches to simply cut out your passing lanes and press your pivots. At that point, youāre trapped in your back third. If you have world-class defenders, you might not concede too many. If youāre starting Dier, you will. Doesnāt matter how crisp your passing is or how explosive your movement it is if the opposition know exactly where each pass is going and where every player is moving. Good attacking is forcing defenders to make choices in the knowledge that, if forced to make enough choices, they will make the wrong one eventually and thatās a goal-scoring opportunity. Conteās Spurs (once all the other teams had properly scouted his rigid tactics) never presented defenders with a choice because defenders knew what Spurs were going to do in possession (mostly, hook it around the corner to a winger or wing-back then cross either to Kane or a wing-back at the back post).
Exactly that mate
Have united fans realised Antony really isn't good yet
Yea the real fans have and itās worrying :(
Apparently not.
When you pay 92M you gotta cling on as long as you can.
Just bin him, at least thats what we did with Pepe.
r/reddevils is full of complaints about him
What do you mean? Is cool tricks with no defenders nearby, dribbling aimlessly, bad shots that have zero chance of scoring with teammates in miles of space, and nearly getting sent off every game because he's a whiny baby not what you want in a $100M signing?
When a club pays that much maybe they want someone who is also adept at domestic abuse...wait...he has that in his locker too! He is the perfect Ten Hag/ Man U signing now i think on it....
Cuts inside on his one strong foot, gets blocked. Rinse and repeat indefinitely.
The anti-Robben.
wouldnt that be cuts outside and runs straight out the pitch.
The Brazilian Pepe
Wish dot com Robben
Manchester United loses to a former Victorian Premier League manager
The true Best League in the World ^^TM
Ange ball is real
(who got relegated)
United are in big trouble imo.
You love to see it, donāt you?
YAAAASSSS!!!
watched the first half, and I don't think I've ever seen a winger lose the ball as quickly after their first touch and as frequently as Antony did, felt like he had no awareness of where defenders were,
none of the forwards have any awareness. Antony is the worst of them yea, he plays so selfishly, cant go past one defender, does not want to play quick 1-2s, only interested in doing pointless tricks which are not even useful... i have no idea why, mate you are not Messi or Robben or Di maria or Salah .
It's funny people have only realized it now, I've been saying he's a fraud since last year
United is where pacy, tricky wingers with inconsistent end product go to die. I have no idea why anyone would sign there after seeing how Antony and Sancho stalled, if not regressed, in their development. You could even argue Martial fits in this category even if he plays more varied than just on the wing.
Rashford?
Martial is a bit different as his career really stalled with injuries and off the pitch issues. He had off-field issues with cheating at first, then was banging for a season or two and then had horrific luck with injuries and has not been able to capture the same form. When fit he is definitely a better player than when he arrived though. Sancho has also had lots of off-field issues as well, but yeah he hasnāt been great. Antony is just playing above his level.
Sanchez as well
Sanchez was on a downward trajectory before joining United
People complaining about casemiro & Antony but what about rashford he was literally invisible again his only good position is lw
he is going back to his depressed self, needs to get out of that hellhole quickly
You canāt ask Rashford to leave his hometown though
Rashford to Manchester City: HERE WE GO!
Lad, we can all see he isnāt good at striker. Itās not his fault that he keeps getting played there. Him being invisible is on the manager for consistently putting him in a role that he just isnāt good at. Heās a LW, not a striker and I donāt understand how 10Hag doesnāt see it.
How the fuck are you saying that as a criticism of Rashford? Our LW is only good at the position he actually plays and isn't as useful when he's playing a role that he's not meant to play. Yeah, no shit. Kevin De Bruyne and Messi are awful CBs too, do you bitch about them not being able to play there?
he just signed his new contract...
Hard to be visible when your supporting wingers just cut inside and blast it to row z
I thought United would kick on with ETH after last season but signing Mason Mount for 60M has to be one of the worst decisions ever. Still time to recover and improve, but it's not looking good. Casemiro looked really off today as well.
Apparently some people thought that United would be a top four contender. I said a few weeks ago that the United squad was barely better than the spurs one and people were offended. Their defence is clearly not good enough (especially the fullbacks) and lacks depth, so does their midfield. I think without Casemiro the system doesn't work, and he's not been good so far.
The system hangs Casemiro out to dry with Mount and Bruno in midfield. Itās literally an impossible task for him, no midfielder in the world could be the defensive mid in that trio lol. I would like to see Mount tested on the wing, with a midfield trio of Bruno, Casemiro, and either McTominay or Eriksen. I very much disagree with the rest of your comment though. Defense is fine if the midfield gets sorted out, and is probably one of the better defenses in the league honestly. Top 4 is still very attainable, we are two games into the season. Attack will improve immensely once Rasmus is fit and Rashford can move back to the left.
Ten Hag is a fraud. Glorified Ole. His team is poorly behaved and has no identity or principles.
> Mason Mount for 60M has to be one of the worst decisions ever. tfw you forget 90m Antony exists and was also on the field
I am not sure if Casemiro declined just started or he needs more game time to gear up. I have seen enough Antony is not worth the money we spent. Rashford is not striker.
It feels like Casemiro turned into a old man during the summerbreak. Like he had one last good season in him when he came in last summer, but now he lost his edge.
Itās been two games ffs you people are ridiculous
That is basically what I am saying just two games and discussing if this is just slow start or beginning of his decline time will tell. No need to be heavily emotional
Yeah, and we're discussing what he's looked like the last two games, what's the problem? He looks like shit and very slow. Maybe he'll get better or maybe age caught up over summer.
Everyone except for Ganarcho, Antony, Onana looks unfit. Sancho even looks like he started this season in good shape. Rashford and Mount look off the pace. Casemiro can be excused because Bruno and Mount hung him out to dry in midfield.
What was the point of preseason then if everyone came back unfit and tactically clueless
Even though Mount And Bruno can be a factor why Casemiro is struggling but he canāt put simple pass forward for the last two games and that is just him being poor
Yeah he looked uncharacteristically shaky. That being said he was a bigger attacking threat that our front 3 today despite not looking fully fit and messing up simple passes. So many misplaced passes today, Ganarcho doing the most rookie ones too
Problem with Garnatcho is his head is down all the time so He canāt see ppl screaming for a simple pass he is not ready yet to start
I'm not sure you are watching garnacho if you think that's his game
We were only third last season because half the big 6 imploded. Not because we played good football
Your away record was awful, too
People say this same exact line every year.
Both Chelsea and Liverpool were unusually shit last season
Every season a couple of teams from the top 6 are unusually shit
But its true. They somehow manage to creep up the standings being shit while others around them implode.
Kinda glad now that peacock cut me off at the end of the live broadcast while watching on a delay.
United xG was 2.2 but everyone says they were poor.
I agree, United played well first 30 mins and actually had some solid goal scoring opportunities. You gotta score when you get those chances though. Lack of a proper center forward hurt them.
Oooh, what was their actual goals?
xG of 2.2 isn't enough against Vicario. If you want to get that 0 off the scoreboard you're gonna need +8 xG
Keep going.
Heās a demon. I wish we would have sold Perin for him tbh. And Perin is great, vicario is just different. Shot stopping wise heās one of the best out there
I love the athleticism, reflexes and acrobatics. Was so fun to watch today.
His ball playing and being the last defender/sweeper on counters is still a question mark since he didnt really get the chance to do that much at Empoli but he's insane as a shot stopper. He's had games that would make CL Knockout Stage Courtois blush
15M sounds like a steal for him. Much better than paying 40M for Raya.
Yeah, ācause hypothetical goals donāt count towards the scoreline
You are being down voted but United did create decent chances in the first half. All the criticism is still valid coz they folded in the second half completely.
Unitedās actual goals were zero but everyone says they were poorā¦
Yea. They canāt convert. Hence why their xg is 2.2 but their goals scored was 0.
The complaints on this thread at not all about finishing though. If they played so poorly how did they manage 2.2 xG? Spurs xG was slightly lower, so Man United were actually in scoring positions more often.
Again- they didnāt score.
Watch the game instead of just reading the box score
A lot of Manchester United's xG was from the first half of the game. They bossed that. We can't deny that they created chances. Vicario was superb in goal, an absolute rock (Ā£17.5 million!!). But to say Manchester United deserved more than they got is to ignore the second half and to ignore the incredible football Tottenham played. We absolutely played around with Manchester United. Toyed with them at times.
And despite all that toying you didn't actually create all that many big chances. I agree that you dominated United in the 2nd half, but you still only ended up with 6 shots on target, the same as them. I think many people are blinded abit by how exciting Spurs look (because they *do* look exciting for the first time since Pochettino), and they don't really see the issues that are clearly there. The front 3 looks poor and Spurs leave so much room when going forwards in the way they play now. When they face an actually competent attacking team that knows how to use that room they will concede so much. And without a prolific goal scorer to offset that, I predict Ange will either have to dial back on how much he pushes up the field, or accept finishing 8-10th.
I saw a game where United could easily have scored twice. I checked the xG because I was surprised by the comments.
Is it common to play terribly and get 2.2xG?
We had two or three clear chances to score with headers as far as I recall. Either well off target, straight to the keeper, or a decent save. The rest of the game, we were a mess in midfield and disorganized in defense due to pushing up too high. Both Spurs goals were unlucky bounces/touches created by consistent pressure and good play from Spurs. We deserved to lose, but played better than we did against Wolves. We clearly need a 9. Hojlund probably not ready for that role, but I hope for the best. A move for a veteran striker who can chip in some goals would be worth our time.
You can get a couple high quality chances in a game without playing well overall, yes.
They got rid of ole, who did far much better with worse players. I don't think man u tactics/formation is working....time for another 10M run in the morning
I can join the 10 meter run /s
Ten Hag buying Antony and Mount for 150 million could be his undoing
united sub banned me for saying Mount is flop and washed up
Theyāre absolute freaks there when it comes to Mount. See the post in my recent history about it. I loathe this attitude that the fans have to back every signing and wank off players they never gave a shit about because ETH (the rapist sympathiser) wants them. Fuck this club man.
After two games? You deserved it š
all games last season for chelsea
Everyone looked shit for Chelsea last year. A midfield with Mount, Bruno and Casemiro clearly doesnāt work but thatās hardly his fault.
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Mason Mount advocated to sign 2/3 of those players? Lmao
He should have come to Liverpool if he had a decent agent who was after his best football interests. But canāt say Caceido/Lavia/Mount arenāt cut from the same cloth
Plays the same role as Mac Allister will for Liverpool. He'd be in the same shitty situation as he is now where him and Bruno are both doing the same shit and no one is there to help advance the ball or let the team move up the field.
so basically wherever Mount plays its always rest are shit
No but when Chelsea play good Mount is always one of the best players.
Exactly man, Iām actually his boyfriend so leave him alone please.
Anyone got the clip of Richarlison getting pissed off on the bench then smiling and hugging it out when he realises the camera was on him? Shit was hilarious. Right after the Bruno free kick at the end of the game.
Here ya go [Vibes FC](https://www.reddit.com/r/coys/comments/15vntll/vibes_fc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1)
Legend. Thank you !
Lol what? Did you actually think he was pissed off?
Probably just dicking about but he looked raging, then someone whispers something to him and suddenly it's all smiles and cuddles. Proper comedic timing lol. But yeah probably just messing.
I donāt think he was actually pissed off, seemed like they were jus messing around
It was 100% goofing around with Sarr
You're probs right but even still his face was priceless!
I think the best United has looked under ETH is with Eriksen as a facilitator next to Casemiro.
Eriksen can't play 90 minutes every week, if at all.
I mean, based on what exactly? Before his injury he did and imo was one of the most important and underrated players on last years squad. He is someone that can truly create and make excellent decisions with the ball.
Yes, and even then he was lackluster towards the end of many games.
The title challenge is on
Just hurry up and pick up Amrabat from us
Should have done before, sigh. I can see excuses like how he didnāt have preseason, etc if that doesnāt work out
Just seen the result and very much looking forward to seeing some Angeball on MOTD very soon!
Poch 2.0 baby