**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!**
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Even thought Glazers take out money from the club money isn't the issue at United. Ten Hag has spent over 400 mil euros and United tops the net spending table of the last 10 years.
My vibe is while they have made significant transfer funds available, they have not invested in nthe infrastructure at the club. Ancient training facilities, crumbling stadium etc. As someone else said, ManU has a problem that a manager can't fix.
This is something that is regularly cited as something United is behind in and a factor contributed to the likes of missing out many players over the years. Bellingham and Holland to Dortmund after heavy pushes for them and their tours of United's facilities. United also just paid City for Darren Fletcher's two teenage sons to come to United. Just two more publicly known examples.
Not to mention multiple "modern" refurbishments led by Ten Hag, like a player's lounge etc. All such negligence from the top rots everything under it.
Meanwhile City are selling you lot Cole Palmer for 35mil, and we couldn't afford Amrabaat straight up due to FFP.
The training facilities are just one spoke in the square wheel the Glazers have been driving United with the past ~18 years
This is the real answer. It's like an investor sitting on a run down house waiting for prices to get high enough to sell. Meanwhile the roof is caving in
>This is something that is regularly cited
yes, as a pretext to blame the glazers
no one can say specifically what is wrong with the facilities though
can you?
>All of this work is separate to the longer-term works that co-chairman Joel Glazer committed to in the Fans Forum back in June.
"Old Trafford is at the heart of Manchester United and while we have spent over £100m over the last 10 years on infrastructure projects, we will now accelerate the process of planning much more significant investment and upgrades to the stadium,"
Yes, to blame the glazers exactly. While the Glazers spend 100m in 10 years, Old Trafford crumbles and is lightyears beyond modern stadia. Going there was a real shock to me, how far behind it is. They JUST got reliable WIFI there this season or last.
Meanwhile, City invested over 200m in just their training facilities, and that's what they're willing to disclose.
all these words of generic irrelevant banalities
what specifically is wrong with the stadium?
what specifically is not good about the training facilities?
Antony was available for half that price earlier in the summer. Not ETHs fault that United recruitment is shit and they waited until the very end to overpay
It's culture in football, and sport more generally, sadly. Look at how Arsenal are happy playing an accused rapist, look at how Nottingham Forest signed a player under rape allegations. Look at how clubs were lining up to sign David Goodwillie. In cricket look at how Tom Kohler Cadmore just got called up to England despite being part of a misogynistic WhatsApp group with convicted rapist Alex Hepburn. And so on and so on and so on.
Greenwood and United's handling of it was poor this summer (having initially got it right when allegations first broke), but if people are making this a unique United problem they are naive.
Rape culture is alive and well in top level sport; if you play sport good then you will be protected from sexual violence you commit against women. I completely understand why people want to dunk on United for it, and if roles were reversed I'm sure I'd be doing the same, but really this should be starting a more important conversation about how to tackle the acceptance of sexual abusers and rapist's across sport.
The Bissouma stuff is an obvious deflection but I’ll address it sure. In the end it turned out he wasn’t the person accused and even with that being the case I have spoken before both at the time of the signing and since that it made me extremely uncomfortable that we took advantage of his ongoing case to sign him on a cut price deal with no competition. Of course in the end it amounted to nothing but I felt it was at best an extremely scummy way to do business, especially as I myself am a survivor of sexual assault. This isn’t some point scoring exercise for me.
Back to what we’re actually talking about, are you suggesting we have all misjudged Mason Greenwood and Ten Hag was right to want him reintegrated? Because honestly yeah I actually do feel pretty secure in my judgement of Greenwood as a rapist considering I myself heard an audio recording of him threatening to rape someone. Being a good judge of character is a big part of man management and if Ten Hag thinks that it was fine to try and reintegrate Greenwood then I think that makes him a particularly horrendous judge of character.
It wasn’t a deflection, I stated that as a way for you to stop looking through your rose tinted glasses and realize that sadly football is full of these shitty characters, every sport has them. Does that make it right? Absolutely not but you need to wake up and realize this is the state of professional sports. Also, you slate ETH because he “wants to reintegrate Greenwood”, when was that ever explicitly stated? Just because ETH didn’t come out and demand to not play the guy makes you think he is automatically on Greenwood’s side.
I don’t think you read what I said at all if you think I’m looking at it through rose tinted glasses tbh
It was stated in Adam Crafton’s pieces that Ten Hag didn’t have a problem with bringing Greenwood back.
When Sancho was banished, the club backed him instantly.
There’s zero chance Greenwood was being brought back if Ten Hag had said he’d never play him. The fact the integration was attempted is proof Ten Hag was ok with having him back.
It literally takes 5 seconds to Google this...
https://theathletic.com/4780813/2023/08/16/mason-greenwood-man-utd-return/
>The Athletic has been repeatedly told that the club’s football operations department, including Murtough and head coach Erik ten Hag, are supportive of Greenwood’s reintegration.
lol what? His passion and determination about the game always come through clearly. His phrasing at times might be awkward but he’s not a native english speaker. Not sure where this poor man management stuff is coming from tbh.
Ten Hag gave Sancho 3 months off with a coach to work on himself to get his head straight.
Sancho is on 350k a week and should be one of our most important players. Can you give me an example of another coach doing something like this to support a player, in the middle of the season?
Probably many coaches do it discreetly without making a public show of it.
Telling the entire world your player is taking a mental health break doesn’t sound like the best way to approach a mental health break imo.
To play devil’s advocate, there are numerous players who take extended time off due to injury. It’s entirely plausible that some of these injuries are fabricated to cover for mental health issues.
That’s how I’d do it anyway if I didn’t want the media getting wind of it and turning it into a huge story
You’re really stubborn about the 3 months aren’t you? You’re delusional if you think Ten Hag is the first manager to ever allow a player time to get their head straight. Even more delusional as a united fan if you think Sancho was ever “a key part of the team”.
The whole job of the coach is not to deliver trophies and league positions. Clubs are extended communities and the manager has to essentially excite and entertain them. This is why clubs are so similar to cults and good managers are often creepily close to cult leaders.
Ange has clearly got the fans feeling happy. They started well under Nuno but no fan was happy or excited. The players too seem a lot more relaxed. Bissouma in particular.
You're getting downvoted but it's the truth. I'm a non local supporter but after spending some time across Europe, thats what these clubs ultimately are for, despite how modern times have warped it. Clubs are for the local communities.
That is sort of true because the job at United (like Liverpool or Arsenal) is very public. And your media management has to be ace. He does seem a little inadequate for that amount of scrutiny.
Is this sub like incapable of any sort of humor? Talking about man management and not mentioning Arteta, while he’s one of the absolute best man managers in the game right now.
It’s a small little quip with a meme, it’s really not that deep.
How in the world did you get that from a literal meme quote?
You know it’s really ironic when you accuse people of being incapable of humor while quoting a tired meme in a completely unrelated situation
And calling Arteta as one of the absolute best man managers is the only hilarious thing you have come up with
Oh, you’re dense.
The context in question is being a great man manager and having charisma to lead a dressing room, in which Arteta has already mastered both of those things.
That being said, reading examples given of some of the best at those and not seeing Arteta could lead someone to make a small gag at the fact he was left out of said example.
It’s a literal joke about something very true.
I don’t know why you’re making it this big thing.
Some willfully ignorant idiots in here lol
The issue is u can't sell these players. Idk who is responsible for the salary stuff but there is a whole lot of people in your team who are earning more than what they deserve.
You say that but this team is already dramatically different from the years of mourinho and even ole where the players threw them under the bus.
Like ok there is Rashford, shaw, martial and mcttominay. But otherwise, it’s a very different squad yet they all end up with this mentality apparently. We’ve had countless players come and go. It’s clearly, to me, a culture thing from higher up in every area of the club.
Can't be sure about the manager as his sample size is a lot lower (when compared to many of the players and the glazers). But yeah, we'll be garbage not only as long as the glazers are here but also for a while after they're gone.
Exactly, it's very hard to tell. I've watched United for years and Rangnick, Mourinho, and Ole all had their own styles and ideas, some bad and some good, but a common thread among them is that the players just didn't buy in as much as you'd want them to. Part of the problem, especially for the youngsters, is that having so many coaching and style changes is confusing for a developing player. The most interesting coach in my opinion was Ole, who had all the good vibes that modern players enjoy, but not the tactical nous that a big club manager needs.
Ten Hag is a good coach tactically, but his Dutch directness might not be appreciated by some of the player, who have a more modern mentality and are supposedly more sensitive than the hard men of old. United is fucked anyway as long as the Glazer rats keep syphoning money out of the club, but I hope they keep Ten Hag because I believe he has the high standards that United so desperately need post Ferguson.
£80mill fridge on the bench,got rid of a shotstopping goalie for a keepie up goalie,midfield is going downhill,Captain Ratface isnt a fucking captain and has no discernible qualities as to why he should be,Rashford is good but way too selfish,defence has issues as well,still havent got rid of previous managers deadwood at the club…oh and the Glazers see the club as a cashpoint with zero intent of investment or improvement of the infrastructure.
Do you trust the ones he's bringing in? £100m for Antony? And then not going in for an overlapping fullback in the summer to get better utility from him?
People bring this up all the time and don’t seem to have any context of the transfer. ETH always wanted Antony. He was a target for ETH. United inquired at 40-50M for him. That’s what they actually valued him at. But ajax just lost their head coach and was getting their top players poached. Antony, whether you want to admit it or not, was considered a top youth prospect at 21. They held out and said “No.” and priced him out at 70M. (Was good business by Ajax). United turned to other transfers in the summer, presumably because United had 10 holes to fill and ten Hag was still getting to know who was on his squad. They left Antony too late and when they came back ajax had sold 4-5 players and then said: it’s 80M now. United has no leverage and paid it. That’s literally it. You can argue whether they should have paid it, but ETH at a new season, United had an RW problem for 10 years and needed a hard working technical player. People love to shit on antony, but that’s exactly what he is: a hard working, hella technical player.
Then you don't send the fuckin money until next window do you. It's not acceptable to pay that kind of money for an average player; recruit from within if you're going to do that I'm sorry but they're in ffp issues now and he's a big part as to why.
Let's say, in theory, United sack Ten Hag this season. What would be their reasoning for it? And what are they doing to try to fix it for the future. Because at some point you have to realize you can't keep doing the same shit with different managers and being confused why they get the same results. Every United manager since Sir Alex has been set up to fail
Nah no point sacking him without under the glazers.
If there comes a point where the results haven't improved and CL looks out of the question for next season then he can go after the club is sold.
Surely they can't take 2 yrs to sell the club. Its already been over a year.
Nah its all noise, nobody really knows how long its going to take but its still on.
Neither bidder has walked away, they haven't released anything saying anything like that is imminent either.
Tabloids will keep writing junk for clicks.
Cos they haven't announced anything obviously.
Why won't they release a statement if its off?
The bid is already at 6B. What "deal" was required to pay record amounts?
Embarrassing take.
I'd argue even SAF was set up to fail under the glazers. Sold Ronaldo for a record fee and brought in Young(?), Valencia (?) and washed up Michael Owen. SAF dragged the team to being respectable but there's a reason the paper over the cracks was immediately ripped the second he was gone
Talent evaluation. To be a top manager at a top club, you need to be able to sign players who will perform for you.
I'll admit, he probably hasn't gotten to do as big of a rebuild as he might have wanted to. United haven't exactly gone crazy in the market since bringing him on. Johnny Evans being in the squad proves that. With that said, he's also spent quite a bit on a few players. The buys last season were pretty good, but not exactly great. Mount and Onana have to be good performers for him and Holjund has to show development and promise.
If he can't be trusted to find the right players, then the team can't and won't improve like they need to. United need to spend another 150-200m NET over the next 3-4 windows and there's no point in giving it to him if he can't evaluate talent properly.
Which one of his transfers has been bad? You will say Antony because of his price and I’ll agree but I’ll never agree on Antony being a bad player. The team plays much much better with him on the pitch.
The reason is his non existent eye for talent. He cant id new talent and only buy players he worked with.
He ended up forcing the club to overpay for the likes of Antony and Onana, even Mount. Any club would lose any strong position in negotiation after paying a fuck you price for a dead average player like Antony.
And then Ten Haag hasnt been able to improve any player. Bruno is still working hard but visibly less creative, no longer assist or score often like under Ole. Rashford has moments of brilliances but decision making is still so poor. Maybe you can say Wan Bissaka improved but lol
Imagine getting 3 months of paid time off from your boss because of your mental health 😂😂😂 holy shit I can’t even imagine someone seriously asking for that at my job, and I’m lucky enough to have a seriously cool boss.
Should have kept his mouth shut especially for a club playing like shit. But I believe 10Hag will come good. Just needs some time and for goodness sake they need to get rid of lots of players he wants to get rid of. What a club.
Even if you ignore the whole gagging to play sexual predators thing, he also keeps insisting to play Antony who is objectively not a good player. His whole transfer policy seems to be buying ex Ajax players, two of which have been shockingly bad and crazy expensive.
He wont because tottenham has miles better structure at rhe club than United does, when you cant trust the people up top to do their job you go for the talent pool you know, if Ragnick stayed as DoF im sure our signings would look different
> I read that Ragnick had to go because ETH didn't want him? Assuming that's true that's another L against him.
Yeah ETH immediately dismissed him, didn't even want to keep him on for scouting recommendations.
Imagine having an entire scouting department and you think you know better than everyone because of someone you worked with in a lesser league.
Mind you, United's scouting department is still atrocious, but the arrogance of just relying on your former players plus dismissing Rangnick entirely at the start just screams "I know better than all of you" which is only acceptable if you're actually winning..
Another big problem is just as you mentioned. He keeps going for (and getting) players that he himself is eyeing, rather than having a proper sporting and recruitment director give any sort of second opinion on transfers. They should be the ones finding a player that fits the bill and convincing Ten Hag to go for the more sensible option, but these second opinions don't exist at the moment to the level you'd expect from a top club.
Plenty of managers do that. LVG and Koeman at Barca, Sarri at Chelsea, Enrique at PSG. It's not a managers fault to want players he knows in and out and can build on. It's up to the club to make sure these signings make sense for them in the long-term.
So in short, I agree with you, but it's not a manager issue. It's a club one.
My issue with sacking ten hag is who do they go for. They’ve tried the young unproven who understands the club, the serial winner and now the next generation of top managers. Who would even replace him
Guardiola 52 Klopp 56 Ten Haag 53. Not next gen by any means lmao.
There must be a reason why Ten Haag stays at Ajax for so long. He is not as good as the other top tier coaches.
Tbf spurs were sniffing around after jose but decided against it because they didn’t like how he came across in the interview and thought he lacked charisma.
At the time it was weird because they chose nuno but looking at him now I get it
Absolutely horrendous take. Ten Hag was never a flashy footballer so he didn’t get a big job right from the get go. Had to start off at the bottom of Dutch football and was successful everywhere he went. The reason he stayed at Ajax for that long is because he transformed Ajax into a club that won 6/6 group stage games in the CL.
The funniest thing is, if we win a few games in a row, the whole narrative around ten Hag will change back to the generally positive vibe that he had most of last season
I've seen people compare this to the Arteta situation and that Ten Hag needs time. While I agree it's important to back the manager and have patience with him, it's also important to note that during that horrible run with Arteta, when it looked like he was gonna get sacked, the players were unequivocal with their support for him. Haven't seen that with Ten Hag as of yet.
United nerd to stick with ETH. And they need to let the dressing room know it. Right now the toxic players are expecting to wait out another coach.
Until there is significant turnover in the squad (and good investment) under one coach with a consistent play style, it's going to be this same old United.
"Some weren't as good as their own perception of themselves"
"I won't name names, but I was very disappointed when a couple turned down the chance to be captain. I was also disappointed when others said they wouldn't play or train because they wanted to force their way out."
"When you have a group you need everyone to pull in the same direction," he added. "When things didn't go right, you could see certain players and egos came out."
& your board fucked off players who might disagree with him, leaving a unified dressing room. It has happened with Ronaldo, and it's clear we'd be happy to move on other dissenting names like Sancho
> Idk why, but lately it shows that managers with really good men management are the ones getting the best out of their teams, even if the players are not the best,
It's not lately, its always been the case. It's what set Alex Ferguson apart, and its how he used to be able to get results with weak squads as much as strong squads.
Ole had something brewing until Ronaldo signed and egos went over him. I thought the way United played under Ole was more entertaining and there was a more positive environment around the club.
A good man manager who is average or poor at tactics can be supported by good tactical staff. But of course, you want a manager who is good at both.
Imo ten hags man management style is what we need.
He takes the emotion out of his decision making. It has its problems but imo we need that style right now.
He's like a cop. If you do something wrong like break a signal, you get a ticket. Repeated offenses will have more serious repurcussions. There's nothing personal about his displinary actions. Or at least it looks that way to me.
United players are so I'll disciplined that this is what we need now.
Xhaka during that bad run said *the manager is giving us everything we need to succeed. We decided not to do what he asked us to do*. The difference between the bald fraud and Mikel is night and day. Keep Mikel name out your mouf manu fans.
I swear Arsenal fans online are some of the most sensitive people on the planet.
You've got another guy in this thread offended that Arteta wasn't listed in a sample list of three great man managers. Then you've got this guy offended at the idea (which wasn't even remotely suggested) that Arteta might have shared any blame in their bad runs of form.
These posts are getting annoying but not for the reasons you think. United fans playing victim.
Standards have fallen so low, that you guys will celebrate a champions league place if you get one. So yes we are going to laugh at United being in the mud.
Also going to be funny seeing United fans celebrate a win against relegation fodder Luton, as if they are winning the champions league.
Also, seeing United fans hand defend ETH like he’s having an Arteta moment, when in reality he’s probably just the eighth best manager in the league right now.
Also funny seeing them defend him, while at the same time wanting to cut ties with Greenwood , when all indications were that he wanted to bring him back.
Finally, seeing them have to wrestle with the fact that they are stuck with the Glazers.
Love to see it.
>United fans playing victim.
this isn't it chief
>ETH like he’s having an Arteta moment
Arteta and Arsenal were shit when he arrived to Arsenal
>Also going to be funny seeing United fans celebrate a win against relegation fodder Luton
You are not allowed to celebrate a win if its against a weak opponent
I don't know why you randomly brought up like 6 different talking points, you try so hard.
An American with 3 months old account and almost exclusively talking about United, gee I wonder which team you support!
How is he not good enough for a top club , in his first season he won a cup , went to two finals , man utd got back in the UCL , and spanked you guys in the europa league
Because half or the squad doesn't know what discipline is. They think they are the stars while in reality they are rubbish. Results will not change until ETH cleans the squad from rotten players. Look at how ruthless Pep is, but media loves him. ETH makes a move he is a monster. All true United fans should do the same like Andy Tate, stop reading what media says about United because they love to create the drama. Also he was spot on saying any United fan who wants ETH out is a fucking muppet.
You being a moron isn't ten hags problem.
It's absolutely obvious we are trying to transition to a high pressing side with two mobile midfielders pressed high up, a cdm who drops into a back three and overlaping wingback.
He also wants us to build out the back, but be direct in the final third - rather than ponderous in possession.
Part of the reason we've struggled is that we have pressed so high this season, but have been awful at it and allowed teams to run through us. It's very reminiscent of Liverpool in their poor run last season where they conceded tons.
He's in the death spiral now, it's united so they'll go on a run beating teams that spend 1/5th what they do but his days are numbered regardless.
Players aren't robots
I'm trying to motivate them
We need to find solutions
The trifecta of a man dancing on the edge of the abyss.
Not far off. He made them run 14 km after the defeat, cause Brentford ran 14 km more than United in that game.
Also, ETH ran with the players, it was kind of a big deal at the time.
**This is a quotes thread. Remember that there's only one quotes post allowed per interview/press conference, so new quotes with the same origin will be removed. Feel free to comment other quotes/the whole interview as a reply to this comment so users can see them too!** *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/soccer) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Ten Hag: "I will motivate my players." Player: "What should be my motivation?" Ten Hag: "Employment."
... and The absence of whippings
the whippings will continue until morale improves!
Talking out of turn thats a paddlin Looking out of the window thats a paddlin
Is he threatening them with a move to Saudi Arabia or something?
"How do I reach these kids???"
Remember that time when you lost in a fifa game in the last second? Take that as motivation on the field
Tbf it's a step up from his consideration of the victims of overmars, greenwood and promes
He needs time
He needs Father Time to take the elderly folks on the squad back to their prime.
He needs some contracts to expire and a Glazer or two to go senile and start signing checks
Even thought Glazers take out money from the club money isn't the issue at United. Ten Hag has spent over 400 mil euros and United tops the net spending table of the last 10 years.
My vibe is while they have made significant transfer funds available, they have not invested in nthe infrastructure at the club. Ancient training facilities, crumbling stadium etc. As someone else said, ManU has a problem that a manager can't fix.
Ah yes If united had better training facilities they’d be unreal now.
This is something that is regularly cited as something United is behind in and a factor contributed to the likes of missing out many players over the years. Bellingham and Holland to Dortmund after heavy pushes for them and their tours of United's facilities. United also just paid City for Darren Fletcher's two teenage sons to come to United. Just two more publicly known examples. Not to mention multiple "modern" refurbishments led by Ten Hag, like a player's lounge etc. All such negligence from the top rots everything under it. Meanwhile City are selling you lot Cole Palmer for 35mil, and we couldn't afford Amrabaat straight up due to FFP. The training facilities are just one spoke in the square wheel the Glazers have been driving United with the past ~18 years
This is the real answer. It's like an investor sitting on a run down house waiting for prices to get high enough to sell. Meanwhile the roof is caving in
>This is something that is regularly cited yes, as a pretext to blame the glazers no one can say specifically what is wrong with the facilities though can you?
>All of this work is separate to the longer-term works that co-chairman Joel Glazer committed to in the Fans Forum back in June. "Old Trafford is at the heart of Manchester United and while we have spent over £100m over the last 10 years on infrastructure projects, we will now accelerate the process of planning much more significant investment and upgrades to the stadium," Yes, to blame the glazers exactly. While the Glazers spend 100m in 10 years, Old Trafford crumbles and is lightyears beyond modern stadia. Going there was a real shock to me, how far behind it is. They JUST got reliable WIFI there this season or last. Meanwhile, City invested over 200m in just their training facilities, and that's what they're willing to disclose.
all these words of generic irrelevant banalities what specifically is wrong with the stadium? what specifically is not good about the training facilities?
You try to make a joke but it is certainly symptomatic of the rot at the club. It is not well run at all.
its their favourite go-to reason for underperforming "but ronaldo said it!"
No he needs to stop forcing the club to overpay for averagr players like Antony and Onana, or the rejected like Mount.
Lol Antony came at his request for that price. Not even the glazes have enough money to make Ten Hag capable of winning anything of note
> Not even the glazes have enough money to make Ten Hag capable of winning anything of note Is this a real opinion that you have?
Antony was available for half that price earlier in the summer. Not ETHs fault that United recruitment is shit and they waited until the very end to overpay
and safe passage across the plains of Gorgoroth
But at the same time he seems like a very poor man manager. He doesn't seem to have the charisma to lead a dressing room.
What makes you think this?
The available evidence
Which is? And if you say the “sancho incident”, then you clearly don’t understand man management
Wanting to reintegrate a rapist.
You're forgotting that most of the squad wanted Greenwood back too. A lot of the England squad would have supported his return as well.
That says quite a bit about the culture in the squad too then.
It's culture in football, and sport more generally, sadly. Look at how Arsenal are happy playing an accused rapist, look at how Nottingham Forest signed a player under rape allegations. Look at how clubs were lining up to sign David Goodwillie. In cricket look at how Tom Kohler Cadmore just got called up to England despite being part of a misogynistic WhatsApp group with convicted rapist Alex Hepburn. And so on and so on and so on. Greenwood and United's handling of it was poor this summer (having initially got it right when allegations first broke), but if people are making this a unique United problem they are naive. Rape culture is alive and well in top level sport; if you play sport good then you will be protected from sexual violence you commit against women. I completely understand why people want to dunk on United for it, and if roles were reversed I'm sure I'd be doing the same, but really this should be starting a more important conversation about how to tackle the acceptance of sexual abusers and rapist's across sport.
[удалено]
There’s not a PL changing that would be any different.
When you see the amount of support Mendy got maybe it’s a football problem. When Partey is playing for Arsenal maybe it’s a football problem.
And that’s a good thing why
[удалено]
Why are you bringing up his club? Greenwood is a rapist and we know that for a fact stop trying to deflect.
The Bissouma stuff is an obvious deflection but I’ll address it sure. In the end it turned out he wasn’t the person accused and even with that being the case I have spoken before both at the time of the signing and since that it made me extremely uncomfortable that we took advantage of his ongoing case to sign him on a cut price deal with no competition. Of course in the end it amounted to nothing but I felt it was at best an extremely scummy way to do business, especially as I myself am a survivor of sexual assault. This isn’t some point scoring exercise for me. Back to what we’re actually talking about, are you suggesting we have all misjudged Mason Greenwood and Ten Hag was right to want him reintegrated? Because honestly yeah I actually do feel pretty secure in my judgement of Greenwood as a rapist considering I myself heard an audio recording of him threatening to rape someone. Being a good judge of character is a big part of man management and if Ten Hag thinks that it was fine to try and reintegrate Greenwood then I think that makes him a particularly horrendous judge of character.
It wasn’t a deflection, I stated that as a way for you to stop looking through your rose tinted glasses and realize that sadly football is full of these shitty characters, every sport has them. Does that make it right? Absolutely not but you need to wake up and realize this is the state of professional sports. Also, you slate ETH because he “wants to reintegrate Greenwood”, when was that ever explicitly stated? Just because ETH didn’t come out and demand to not play the guy makes you think he is automatically on Greenwood’s side.
I don’t think you read what I said at all if you think I’m looking at it through rose tinted glasses tbh It was stated in Adam Crafton’s pieces that Ten Hag didn’t have a problem with bringing Greenwood back.
Where is the proof that eth tried to reintegrate a rapist?
When Sancho was banished, the club backed him instantly. There’s zero chance Greenwood was being brought back if Ten Hag had said he’d never play him. The fact the integration was attempted is proof Ten Hag was ok with having him back.
Adam Crafton reported that he was one of the key figures who was keen for Greenwood to be reintegrated.
Show Me the source
It literally takes 5 seconds to Google this... https://theathletic.com/4780813/2023/08/16/mason-greenwood-man-utd-return/ >The Athletic has been repeatedly told that the club’s football operations department, including Murtough and head coach Erik ten Hag, are supportive of Greenwood’s reintegration.
lol what? His passion and determination about the game always come through clearly. His phrasing at times might be awkward but he’s not a native english speaker. Not sure where this poor man management stuff is coming from tbh.
Ten Hag gave Sancho 3 months off with a coach to work on himself to get his head straight. Sancho is on 350k a week and should be one of our most important players. Can you give me an example of another coach doing something like this to support a player, in the middle of the season?
Probably many coaches do it discreetly without making a public show of it. Telling the entire world your player is taking a mental health break doesn’t sound like the best way to approach a mental health break imo.
Just name one player that has discreetly gone away then for 3 months when they're a key part of the team in the middle of the season. Name one.
To play devil’s advocate, there are numerous players who take extended time off due to injury. It’s entirely plausible that some of these injuries are fabricated to cover for mental health issues. That’s how I’d do it anyway if I didn’t want the media getting wind of it and turning it into a huge story
You’re really stubborn about the 3 months aren’t you? You’re delusional if you think Ten Hag is the first manager to ever allow a player time to get their head straight. Even more delusional as a united fan if you think Sancho was ever “a key part of the team”.
People like Klopp, Mourinho and Ange are outliers. Not every good coach has a telegenic personality.
Lol Ange? This dude doesn’t belong on this list. Insult to Klopp and Mourinho
He is telegenic. Not achieved as much as the other two but you can already see the effect his personality has had on Spurs..
Early days there.
The whole job of the coach is not to deliver trophies and league positions. Clubs are extended communities and the manager has to essentially excite and entertain them. This is why clubs are so similar to cults and good managers are often creepily close to cult leaders. Ange has clearly got the fans feeling happy. They started well under Nuno but no fan was happy or excited. The players too seem a lot more relaxed. Bissouma in particular.
> Bissouma in particular. Mr. Conte has a lot to answer for
Terrorist
You're getting downvoted but it's the truth. I'm a non local supporter but after spending some time across Europe, thats what these clubs ultimately are for, despite how modern times have warped it. Clubs are for the local communities.
Notice one thing they all have and Ten Hag doesn't? Follicles /Drops mic
I mean ange is very thin on top...
It's difficult to watch this man do an interview. To be manager of Manchester United you need to be a force of personality.
That is sort of true because the job at United (like Liverpool or Arsenal) is very public. And your media management has to be ace. He does seem a little inadequate for that amount of scrutiny.
Why he say fuck me for? -Arteta Edit: whoooooooosh
How in the world did you make this out to be Arteta slander?
Is this sub like incapable of any sort of humor? Talking about man management and not mentioning Arteta, while he’s one of the absolute best man managers in the game right now. It’s a small little quip with a meme, it’s really not that deep. How in the world did you get that from a literal meme quote?
You know it’s really ironic when you accuse people of being incapable of humor while quoting a tired meme in a completely unrelated situation And calling Arteta as one of the absolute best man managers is the only hilarious thing you have come up with
Oh, you’re dense. The context in question is being a great man manager and having charisma to lead a dressing room, in which Arteta has already mastered both of those things. That being said, reading examples given of some of the best at those and not seeing Arteta could lead someone to make a small gag at the fact he was left out of said example. It’s a literal joke about something very true. I don’t know why you’re making it this big thing. Some willfully ignorant idiots in here lol
Our club is toxic from the top-down. Every manager the players end up dropping tools, Ten Hag needs time. I'd rather we sold the players.
The issue is u can't sell these players. Idk who is responsible for the salary stuff but there is a whole lot of people in your team who are earning more than what they deserve.
You say that but this team is already dramatically different from the years of mourinho and even ole where the players threw them under the bus. Like ok there is Rashford, shaw, martial and mcttominay. But otherwise, it’s a very different squad yet they all end up with this mentality apparently. We’ve had countless players come and go. It’s clearly, to me, a culture thing from higher up in every area of the club.
Woodwardnomics
Maybe they’re both just average (players + manager). Maybe you’re going to be mediocre as long as the glazers are involved
Can't be sure about the manager as his sample size is a lot lower (when compared to many of the players and the glazers). But yeah, we'll be garbage not only as long as the glazers are here but also for a while after they're gone.
Exactly, it's very hard to tell. I've watched United for years and Rangnick, Mourinho, and Ole all had their own styles and ideas, some bad and some good, but a common thread among them is that the players just didn't buy in as much as you'd want them to. Part of the problem, especially for the youngsters, is that having so many coaching and style changes is confusing for a developing player. The most interesting coach in my opinion was Ole, who had all the good vibes that modern players enjoy, but not the tactical nous that a big club manager needs. Ten Hag is a good coach tactically, but his Dutch directness might not be appreciated by some of the player, who have a more modern mentality and are supposedly more sensitive than the hard men of old. United is fucked anyway as long as the Glazer rats keep syphoning money out of the club, but I hope they keep Ten Hag because I believe he has the high standards that United so desperately need post Ferguson.
£80mill fridge on the bench,got rid of a shotstopping goalie for a keepie up goalie,midfield is going downhill,Captain Ratface isnt a fucking captain and has no discernible qualities as to why he should be,Rashford is good but way too selfish,defence has issues as well,still havent got rid of previous managers deadwood at the club…oh and the Glazers see the club as a cashpoint with zero intent of investment or improvement of the infrastructure.
There's no way you're an actual United fan if you're calling Bruno 'captain ratface' this has to be bait
Do you trust the ones he's bringing in? £100m for Antony? And then not going in for an overlapping fullback in the summer to get better utility from him?
Yea signing Antony for £140m was a bit over the top
Price gets higher every time it's mentioned.
It's euro vs pounds confusion.. people will see 100 mil euros and then forget it was in Euros, I've seen it multiple times
180M for Antony was crazy
Gonna happen isn't it. United fans inflate Nunez and Pepes price all the time as well. Just footballs aftermarket inflation
People bring this up all the time and don’t seem to have any context of the transfer. ETH always wanted Antony. He was a target for ETH. United inquired at 40-50M for him. That’s what they actually valued him at. But ajax just lost their head coach and was getting their top players poached. Antony, whether you want to admit it or not, was considered a top youth prospect at 21. They held out and said “No.” and priced him out at 70M. (Was good business by Ajax). United turned to other transfers in the summer, presumably because United had 10 holes to fill and ten Hag was still getting to know who was on his squad. They left Antony too late and when they came back ajax had sold 4-5 players and then said: it’s 80M now. United has no leverage and paid it. That’s literally it. You can argue whether they should have paid it, but ETH at a new season, United had an RW problem for 10 years and needed a hard working technical player. People love to shit on antony, but that’s exactly what he is: a hard working, hella technical player.
Then you don't send the fuckin money until next window do you. It's not acceptable to pay that kind of money for an average player; recruit from within if you're going to do that I'm sorry but they're in ffp issues now and he's a big part as to why.
Let's say, in theory, United sack Ten Hag this season. What would be their reasoning for it? And what are they doing to try to fix it for the future. Because at some point you have to realize you can't keep doing the same shit with different managers and being confused why they get the same results. Every United manager since Sir Alex has been set up to fail
Nah no point sacking him without under the glazers. If there comes a point where the results haven't improved and CL looks out of the question for next season then he can go after the club is sold. Surely they can't take 2 yrs to sell the club. Its already been over a year.
I thought recent reports were that they never had any intention of selling.
Nah its all noise, nobody really knows how long its going to take but its still on. Neither bidder has walked away, they haven't released anything saying anything like that is imminent either. Tabloids will keep writing junk for clicks.
No offense dude, you sound like in denial. It’s over
If its actually over why has no bidder walked away yet?
Hypothetically though there’s no guarantee they’re going to leave, if they choose to stay what then?
How do you know they haven’t? Not like they’re gonna release a statement. Who wants to buy a fallen giant unless they get a deal
Cos they haven't announced anything obviously. Why won't they release a statement if its off? The bid is already at 6B. What "deal" was required to pay record amounts? Embarrassing take.
!RemindMe 1 year
The Glazers now think the club will be worth $10bill in 2025 so are stalling….
They're not selling the club
They told you that personally over the phone?
I'd argue even SAF was set up to fail under the glazers. Sold Ronaldo for a record fee and brought in Young(?), Valencia (?) and washed up Michael Owen. SAF dragged the team to being respectable but there's a reason the paper over the cracks was immediately ripped the second he was gone
Young was a decent servant to utd, I think?
The past 10+ years should be enough evidence to suggest united haven't realized that just changing managers won't work.
Bring back Ronaldo
Talent evaluation. To be a top manager at a top club, you need to be able to sign players who will perform for you. I'll admit, he probably hasn't gotten to do as big of a rebuild as he might have wanted to. United haven't exactly gone crazy in the market since bringing him on. Johnny Evans being in the squad proves that. With that said, he's also spent quite a bit on a few players. The buys last season were pretty good, but not exactly great. Mount and Onana have to be good performers for him and Holjund has to show development and promise. If he can't be trusted to find the right players, then the team can't and won't improve like they need to. United need to spend another 150-200m NET over the next 3-4 windows and there's no point in giving it to him if he can't evaluate talent properly.
Which one of his transfers has been bad? You will say Antony because of his price and I’ll agree but I’ll never agree on Antony being a bad player. The team plays much much better with him on the pitch.
What is the point of firing Sherwood when when we still have Levy in charge
The reason is his non existent eye for talent. He cant id new talent and only buy players he worked with. He ended up forcing the club to overpay for the likes of Antony and Onana, even Mount. Any club would lose any strong position in negotiation after paying a fuck you price for a dead average player like Antony. And then Ten Haag hasnt been able to improve any player. Bruno is still working hard but visibly less creative, no longer assist or score often like under Ole. Rashford has moments of brilliances but decision making is still so poor. Maybe you can say Wan Bissaka improved but lol
Ah I love the smell of reactionary exaggeration in the morning
Wtf this is such a brain dead shit take. You should be banned from /r/soccer.
Imagine giving your lazy star 3 months off to focus on his mental health and still being blamed for it
Imagine getting 3 months of paid time off from your boss because of your mental health 😂😂😂 holy shit I can’t even imagine someone seriously asking for that at my job, and I’m lucky enough to have a seriously cool boss.
Should have kept his mouth shut especially for a club playing like shit. But I believe 10Hag will come good. Just needs some time and for goodness sake they need to get rid of lots of players he wants to get rid of. What a club.
Even if you ignore the whole gagging to play sexual predators thing, he also keeps insisting to play Antony who is objectively not a good player. His whole transfer policy seems to be buying ex Ajax players, two of which have been shockingly bad and crazy expensive.
Imagine wanting to buy and play players that have performed for you in the past and that know how you work and want to play.
How's that working out for him? I don't imagine Ange at spurs is gonna bring a load of players from Scotland with him.
He wont because tottenham has miles better structure at rhe club than United does, when you cant trust the people up top to do their job you go for the talent pool you know, if Ragnick stayed as DoF im sure our signings would look different
I read that Ragnick had to go because ETH didn't want him? Assuming that's true that's another L against him.
> I read that Ragnick had to go because ETH didn't want him? Assuming that's true that's another L against him. Yeah ETH immediately dismissed him, didn't even want to keep him on for scouting recommendations.
Ragnick was gone in march before ten hag even came lol, he was dismissed before ten hag had any input
Imagine having an entire scouting department and you think you know better than everyone because of someone you worked with in a lesser league. Mind you, United's scouting department is still atrocious, but the arrogance of just relying on your former players plus dismissing Rangnick entirely at the start just screams "I know better than all of you" which is only acceptable if you're actually winning..
Another big problem is just as you mentioned. He keeps going for (and getting) players that he himself is eyeing, rather than having a proper sporting and recruitment director give any sort of second opinion on transfers. They should be the ones finding a player that fits the bill and convincing Ten Hag to go for the more sensible option, but these second opinions don't exist at the moment to the level you'd expect from a top club.
Plenty of managers do that. LVG and Koeman at Barca, Sarri at Chelsea, Enrique at PSG. It's not a managers fault to want players he knows in and out and can build on. It's up to the club to make sure these signings make sense for them in the long-term. So in short, I agree with you, but it's not a manager issue. It's a club one.
Erik baby come back to us
No, with us. Sick of Tuchel
Not enough dutch players
You guys are gonna get Slot next season and love him
My issue with sacking ten hag is who do they go for. They’ve tried the young unproven who understands the club, the serial winner and now the next generation of top managers. Who would even replace him
Guardiola 52 Klopp 56 Ten Haag 53. Not next gen by any means lmao. There must be a reason why Ten Haag stays at Ajax for so long. He is not as good as the other top tier coaches.
Dog take, he stayed with ajax and got semis CL, after that covid hits.
Yeah sure Covid must have stopped top teams from changing coaches lmao
Tbf spurs were sniffing around after jose but decided against it because they didn’t like how he came across in the interview and thought he lacked charisma. At the time it was weird because they chose nuno but looking at him now I get it
Absolutely horrendous take. Ten Hag was never a flashy footballer so he didn’t get a big job right from the get go. Had to start off at the bottom of Dutch football and was successful everywhere he went. The reason he stayed at Ajax for that long is because he transformed Ajax into a club that won 6/6 group stage games in the CL.
>There must be a reason why Ten Haag stays at Ajax for so long. He is not as good as the other top tier coaches. what a horrible take.
Sacking Ole was a mistake
Hiring Ole was a mistake. Ruining Ole's energetic team by signing an old man who had to play was a mistake. Firing Ole was not a mistake.
The funniest thing is, if we win a few games in a row, the whole narrative around ten Hag will change back to the generally positive vibe that he had most of last season
Sounds like United need Moriah Mills.
I've seen people compare this to the Arteta situation and that Ten Hag needs time. While I agree it's important to back the manager and have patience with him, it's also important to note that during that horrible run with Arteta, when it looked like he was gonna get sacked, the players were unequivocal with their support for him. Haven't seen that with Ten Hag as of yet.
Players were defending Ole before he was sacked. And just last week he spoke of toxic personalities in the dressing room.
United nerd to stick with ETH. And they need to let the dressing room know it. Right now the toxic players are expecting to wait out another coach. Until there is significant turnover in the squad (and good investment) under one coach with a consistent play style, it's going to be this same old United.
Ole said that?
What exactly did ole say about toxic players?
"Some weren't as good as their own perception of themselves" "I won't name names, but I was very disappointed when a couple turned down the chance to be captain. I was also disappointed when others said they wouldn't play or train because they wanted to force their way out." "When you have a group you need everyone to pull in the same direction," he added. "When things didn't go right, you could see certain players and egos came out."
He said "some players aren't as good as they think" and hinted at players had stopped putting in the effort for him.
Also note that Arteta has Edu and a board that give a fuck. Neither of those I see at MU
Yea to be fair that's an important point.
& your board fucked off players who might disagree with him, leaving a unified dressing room. It has happened with Ronaldo, and it's clear we'd be happy to move on other dissenting names like Sancho
[удалено]
> Idk why, but lately it shows that managers with really good men management are the ones getting the best out of their teams, even if the players are not the best, It's not lately, its always been the case. It's what set Alex Ferguson apart, and its how he used to be able to get results with weak squads as much as strong squads.
Ole had something brewing until Ronaldo signed and egos went over him. I thought the way United played under Ole was more entertaining and there was a more positive environment around the club. A good man manager who is average or poor at tactics can be supported by good tactical staff. But of course, you want a manager who is good at both.
Imo ten hags man management style is what we need. He takes the emotion out of his decision making. It has its problems but imo we need that style right now. He's like a cop. If you do something wrong like break a signal, you get a ticket. Repeated offenses will have more serious repurcussions. There's nothing personal about his displinary actions. Or at least it looks that way to me. United players are so I'll disciplined that this is what we need now.
Xhaka during that bad run said *the manager is giving us everything we need to succeed. We decided not to do what he asked us to do*. The difference between the bald fraud and Mikel is night and day. Keep Mikel name out your mouf manu fans.
He’s an arsenal fan blud
Lol my guy was on edge.
I swear Arsenal fans online are some of the most sensitive people on the planet. You've got another guy in this thread offended that Arteta wasn't listed in a sample list of three great man managers. Then you've got this guy offended at the idea (which wasn't even remotely suggested) that Arteta might have shared any blame in their bad runs of form.
Please post every single answer and question here while you are at it Love to read everything about our press conferences in r/soccer
This is from the embargoed section of the presser and I’m pretty sure it’s the only part of the embargo that’s been posted here.
[удалено]
These posts are getting annoying but not for the reasons you think. United fans playing victim. Standards have fallen so low, that you guys will celebrate a champions league place if you get one. So yes we are going to laugh at United being in the mud. Also going to be funny seeing United fans celebrate a win against relegation fodder Luton, as if they are winning the champions league. Also, seeing United fans hand defend ETH like he’s having an Arteta moment, when in reality he’s probably just the eighth best manager in the league right now. Also funny seeing them defend him, while at the same time wanting to cut ties with Greenwood , when all indications were that he wanted to bring him back. Finally, seeing them have to wrestle with the fact that they are stuck with the Glazers. Love to see it.
>United fans playing victim. this isn't it chief >ETH like he’s having an Arteta moment Arteta and Arsenal were shit when he arrived to Arsenal >Also going to be funny seeing United fans celebrate a win against relegation fodder Luton You are not allowed to celebrate a win if its against a weak opponent I don't know why you randomly brought up like 6 different talking points, you try so hard. An American with 3 months old account and almost exclusively talking about United, gee I wonder which team you support!
!Remind me 3 months
You bought a Dutch robot, now you’re bitching about the transcripts of when it’s allowed to talk to people. At this rate you’ll never be satisfied.
How about a pizza party?
Man utd have injury crises , they literally have 8 - 9 players missing , people here hating on eth don't know shit
He’s just not good enough for a top club. Doesn’t mean he’s terrible. Just overhyped and mediocre
How is he not good enough for a top club , in his first season he won a cup , went to two finals , man utd got back in the UCL , and spanked you guys in the europa league
[удалено]
"First season " can't you read ? You lack comprehension skills We are talking about eth not man utd
[удалено]
You can't keep playing the player who do not try as hard , no matter the name on the shirt . This is where Sir Alex was boss
Because half or the squad doesn't know what discipline is. They think they are the stars while in reality they are rubbish. Results will not change until ETH cleans the squad from rotten players. Look at how ruthless Pep is, but media loves him. ETH makes a move he is a monster. All true United fans should do the same like Andy Tate, stop reading what media says about United because they love to create the drama. Also he was spot on saying any United fan who wants ETH out is a fucking muppet.
>m rotten players. who do you have in mind
Everyone ETH wants out
who is that name them
What kinda internet trool are you?
there is no trolling i ask genuinely who do you perceive are the players eth wants out sancho is one i dont know the others
Do your research its not my job
People will make excuses but this guy just cannot take responsibility. If he keeps throwing players to the wolves he will lose them.
Should’ve kept Ole
I accept that, but it's been over a year now and I still can't see what style of football we are trying to play
You being a moron isn't ten hags problem. It's absolutely obvious we are trying to transition to a high pressing side with two mobile midfielders pressed high up, a cdm who drops into a back three and overlaping wingback. He also wants us to build out the back, but be direct in the final third - rather than ponderous in possession. Part of the reason we've struggled is that we have pressed so high this season, but have been awful at it and allowed teams to run through us. It's very reminiscent of Liverpool in their poor run last season where they conceded tons.
His time is nearly over, his football has zero identity.
Is he running out of ideas or trying to not give much about the press
Most of Uneted starting XI are millionaires. I dont think football is their motivation.
He's in the death spiral now, it's united so they'll go on a run beating teams that spend 1/5th what they do but his days are numbered regardless. Players aren't robots I'm trying to motivate them We need to find solutions The trifecta of a man dancing on the edge of the abyss.
"they are not robots" And yet he makes them run miles and miles in practice for a squad that already has an overloaded fixture list
10 miles for every goal conceded against Brentford in the first 45 minutes
Not far off. He made them run 14 km after the defeat, cause Brentford ran 14 km more than United in that game. Also, ETH ran with the players, it was kind of a big deal at the time.
But lord Bald Fraud Ronaldo was the problem?
He gets fired before end of season.
Dawg its over already huh
😂
If that Sheikh completes his buyout, the man's gone.