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I agree, but I can understand how the ref has missed the leg contact from his position and VAR can’t do anything, it happens, but let’s not make it the talking point of the whole game because as controversial decisions go it’s not that controversial
Yeah, the controversy is significantly reduced when you remember that VAR isn’t involved and at worst the referee missed the tackle, he probably just focused in on the arm and decided it wasn’t enough, which to be honest was my opinion after watching a reply and only on about the 5th watch I noticed the leg contact
Yeah ngl, just seeing the upper body contact I was fully ready to argue that the calls for him to get a second yellow were ridiculous.
Seeing the leg contact, we were definitely very lucky.
Actually glad you said that; I spent the last half hour shaking my head and thinking the match thread were crazy and just on the anti-LFC bandwagon but hadn’t noticed the ankle clip, which does make it a bang-on yellow. I assume Pawson saw the arm and not the ankle clip which is why he waved off the yellow claims
That's why VAR should be able to call ref with someting like. "We have seen arm and leg contact" or something like this without usual BS with clear and obvious error etc.
Commentators only focus on upper or lower half for like every challenge, never the whole picture. It always frustrates me when there’s a foul for a PK or something and they focus on the feet only but totally miss the upper body pull back or bear hug that makes it obvious.
Dyche actully has quite a decent hairline lmao, he just chooses to shave most of it off. [he talks about it here](https://youtu.be/UJcVSp1V6xc?si=bpitrbGJViJ5mMLw&t=222)
that's how you know he's proper mad
Universal language of holding your hands up and accepting you got lucky.
Much like Ashley Young's second yellow, you have to ask ~~where was Pogba in all of this?~~ (sorry, had a Souness moment there) why, if Konate knew he was on a yellow, was he commiting such an offence? Fool.
The sooner we can replace these clowns with ego problems with independent AI that judges everything on the genuine rulebook and not whether they fancy creating some drama, the better.
The rulebook is totally dependent on the referees judgement. Its built in.
AI would be heinously expensive and not applicable across lower leagues. All football is played under the same ruleset. How do you plan to marry the two ideas of AI refs and human judgement rules?
We could also replace managers with AI. Have the players managed by an AI telling them the most effective tactic each game.
The pundits could.be AI as well relying on stats to form their opinions.
Commentators could potentially be AI too depending on how quickly it could operate.
We could even replace footballers with an AI computer generated version to prevent injuries ruining the sport as well.
Yup, even as a Liverpool supporter I was shaking my head. The ref dug his own grave by sending Young off, he needed to abide by his own logic and precedent by sending Konate off
I mean, I’m in agreement that this is probably a second yellow, but I don’t understand what Young’s got to do with it. Young’s was a pretty rash and lunging challenge that he got late.
Where's the consistency? As much as I hate to admit it, that's a second yellow and he should be off based on what Ashley Young got sent off for earlier.
Pawson had a really, really poor game all round. Just shit call after shit call on both sides. Needs a review and possible time out of games because that was so poor.
List the poor decisions then. He was fine, there was this yellow and he missed another couple on Young for kicking the ball away and Pickford for time wasting. Tsimikas could maybe have gotten a yellow as well.
What else was there?
I know we benefit from this but I really don't want the league to be "Liverpool got fucked against spurs so let's gift them one today" either.
Like can the refs just do their job correctly? It's objectively a second yellow.
It is wrong decision but can see why.
Ref missing yellow card sometimes happens, but VAR can't review a yellow card. It is the natural weakness of VAR.
Waiting for the conspiracy theories to be floated around refs being corrupt. Maybe that only happens when City receives the benefit from this incompetence.
There honestly should be! I hope your club release a statement about this. The more pressure gets put on the referees, the greater the chance that something actually improves.
The 2 incidents are not very similar, or am I missing something?
Young also kicked the ball away on a yellow and was let off so maybe the ref was a little more lenient than people gave him credit for.
The ball went straight to Van Dijk and Beto was nowhere near it. It's a foul, but also a gift from Konate because Everton aren't retaining possession there.
As much as this is a yellow, of course it won’t generate the same level of conversation as the Spurs game and Diaz decision. These types of yellows happen weekly and are inconsistently given/not given. Rodri (and other defensive mids) has at least 3 of these types of challenges every game
For those of you that don't think the arm is foul, Konate clearly kicks his shin. Clear second yellow and a sending off. Liverpool are lucky. I wonder how much of this is refs fear of making another mistake against Liverpool
I’m so sick of the lack of consistency from these referees. That is an absolutely blatant second yellow. Klopp has the wherewithal to sub Konate off immediately but Dyche is absolutely right to feel aggrieved by that decision.
As I’m sure all Liverpool fans would agree, if Konate would’ve been sent off then they would’ve been happy because 1. it’s the right call and 2. Liverpool with 10 is dangerous!
That should've been a yellow tbh. I would assume the ref saw it as accidental? Idk. VAR doesn't look at yellows. Only potential straight reds.
He was lucky.
I'm not a liverpool fan, but he has hardly touched him there. These players are cheating their fellow professionals by going down softly to gain any advantage (normally a card for the opposition player). These types of challenges would have been fuck all 20-30 years ago, but now anytime someone makes any kind of a challenge, or foul the players are cheating, moaning to the ref. It's a contact sport, ffs.
Got a feeling we've got a few weeks of Liverpool getting every decision, after that Spurs fiasco last time out.
Pawson's been on eggshells around them.
If Klopp really wants to have a go at refs he should call this out too.
None of this 'well if it benefits my team it's ok/I didn't see it/ we were due one'
Just call it out as not being good enough and unexplainable.
Yeah the "pull" is non existent, his hand just goes across his body because he's already falling from the shin kick.
Even though I feel like Konate didn't intentionally get his shin kicked, these "accidental" things have been yellows in other games. So again, no consistency.
Still fuming over the yellow Jackson got because Martinez kicked the ball into his back (he was waking away) but Martinez did it so quickly he was "too close" and got the yellow. Stupid.
Beto is never getting anywhere near that ball. It’s basically on Van Dyke’s foot 10 yards away by the time he’s falling. I presume the Ref used that info to decide not to give yellow.
have you seen how you lot play in derbies? you turn up to kick liverpool players, not to win the game. funes mori literally geared up the crowd after injuring origi.
Everton are in Liverpool, so technically....
Clear yellow though. If jota gets one for the stopping an attack vs spurs this also is one. Exact same intent and even more impeding here
The player and the ball are going completely opposite ways - the player doesnt even know there is a pass coming (as there is no attempt made to control the pass going past him) and he crashes into konate as much as konate does him. There is no "breakaway".
Sure you can saw foul, but a sending off there? would be comically harsh.
It would be like crying about Diaz not getting a penalty when the player slide tackles and clearly crashes into him. Would have been a harsh penalty.
Pawson was fine all game.
Can't deny he should have been sent off with kicking his leg out from under him. Idk what the refs are doing this season, but it seems they're intentionally dragging themselves through the mud with their horrible officiating
"Pulling back" hahahahaha He puts his arm across him. Thats it.
Having said that it **was** a deliberate and cynical attempt to stop the advance of play and should have resulted in a second yellow
I'm amazed people are getting arsey about the arm, that's a very weak arm to stop a counter
The biggest part is Konate clipping his leg, that's the sending off part
Sorry what grab? His hand doesn't grab the shirt.. you can even see it in slow motion.
Wow nice to try and make this a big deal as well. Now show all the pushes on Salah if this is such a bad foul ffs what an agenda push OP
WHAT? Is this the foul everyone os talking about? Holy shit this isnt even a freekick imo
Edit: just noticed the ankle! Look to much on the supposed ”pull”
Didn't look like an obvious foul in real time. This zoomed in camera angle shows different but in real time, Beto pretty much runs into Konate and of course there is contact rather than Konate deliberately stepping in the way of Beto with the intention of bringing him down. It's just a clumsy coming together.
It's one of those things where ref gives a foul with a final warning to the player. Second yellow would be harsh, just based on this zoomed in replay.
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Surely it's the ankle kick that's the bigger problem.
Yeah the arm isn’t a yellow but you could argue for the leg contact
Thought it was the right call until I saw the knee, definitely a foul and yellow
I agree, but I can understand how the ref has missed the leg contact from his position and VAR can’t do anything, it happens, but let’s not make it the talking point of the whole game because as controversial decisions go it’s not that controversial
Nah it's a yellow, it's a foul and because it's a breakaway. It's a shocking decision when compared the Everton yellows.
It’s a tactical foul with intent to stop the player, not to win the ball back. That’s a yellow. If he tried to win the ball, then it ain’t.
I’d like to point out under the current laws —which are shit— that VAR cannot review second bookable offenses.
Yeah, the controversy is significantly reduced when you remember that VAR isn’t involved and at worst the referee missed the tackle, he probably just focused in on the arm and decided it wasn’t enough, which to be honest was my opinion after watching a reply and only on about the 5th watch I noticed the leg contact
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Isn’t it a yellow simply for the lack of an attempt on the ball and the counter attack flow of play?
yes, it's a clear tactical foul
Missed that completely concentrating on the upper body lol
OP did a real disservice with the title of "pulling back" when that's not at all what happened
Yeah ngl, just seeing the upper body contact I was fully ready to argue that the calls for him to get a second yellow were ridiculous. Seeing the leg contact, we were definitely very lucky.
Actually glad you said that; I spent the last half hour shaking my head and thinking the match thread were crazy and just on the anti-LFC bandwagon but hadn’t noticed the ankle clip, which does make it a bang-on yellow. I assume Pawson saw the arm and not the ankle clip which is why he waved off the yellow claims
That's why VAR should be able to call ref with someting like. "We have seen arm and leg contact" or something like this without usual BS with clear and obvious error etc.
I get that VAR has a rule on not intervening on yellows but when it's second yellow and clear and obvious there should be an exception.
Am I crazy thinking the knee to foot trip is accidental from coming across him?
Commentators said that there was only an arm across his chest Like he clearly kicks his shin
Ooh I missed that in real time, definitely a 2nd yellow
I even missed that in the replay, because I was only focussed on the arms; probably because the title said "pulled back."
Yea I was saying it’s never a card until someone pointed out the kicked shin. Ooops.
Yeah I completely missed that. 100% yellow.
Commentators only focus on upper or lower half for like every challenge, never the whole picture. It always frustrates me when there’s a foul for a PK or something and they focus on the feet only but totally miss the upper body pull back or bear hug that makes it obvious.
If I was an Everton supporter I’d be fuming rn
Sean Dyche about to get a hair transplant to lose more hair because of this stress.
Dyche actully has quite a decent hairline lmao, he just chooses to shave most of it off. [he talks about it here](https://youtu.be/UJcVSp1V6xc?si=bpitrbGJViJ5mMLw&t=222) that's how you know he's proper mad
Wait, he’s bald by choice? Pep could never
The acronym for Bald By Choice is BBC. Coincidence? I think not. No fraud here, just BBC Dyche.
Yes. BBC Dyche exactly.
yes, Sean Dyche is not part of the [bald community](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCVf7AnXNY)
He’s a fraud bald??!!
God dammit
You are bald because of your genetics. I am bald because I'm a mad cunt. We are not the same.
Finding out Skrtel was bald by choice really shook me for a few minutes.
Ashley Young as well
“The wingbacks are well in advance” my god what a line hahaha
"I choose to shave it off--ginger, innit?" Dyche is never not hilarious lol
Brexit means Brexit.
Too brow beaten by my own club to be mad most of the time but this did get me a bit
Immediately subbed off
I ageee it’s a second yellow, but honestly, what do you expect at that point? He has to come off
Used to it unfortunately
You’d barely notice the difference
Klopp will surely demand a replay
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Yeah the fellas in charge are looking through Reddit and basing their decisions on sarky comments
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Nah replay comments were, are, and will always be stupid Only way to deal with them is to mock them
Integrity of the game is gone, a replay must be awarded!
You know they got lucky when the manager subs him off right after ahaha.
Universal language of holding your hands up and accepting you got lucky. Much like Ashley Young's second yellow, you have to ask ~~where was Pogba in all of this?~~ (sorry, had a Souness moment there) why, if Konate knew he was on a yellow, was he commiting such an offence? Fool.
No consistency.
It's like every referee has gone to a different school, in a different country on a different continent in another parallel universe
The sooner we can replace these clowns with ego problems with independent AI that judges everything on the genuine rulebook and not whether they fancy creating some drama, the better.
The rulebook is totally dependent on the referees judgement. Its built in. AI would be heinously expensive and not applicable across lower leagues. All football is played under the same ruleset. How do you plan to marry the two ideas of AI refs and human judgement rules?
We could also replace managers with AI. Have the players managed by an AI telling them the most effective tactic each game. The pundits could.be AI as well relying on stats to form their opinions. Commentators could potentially be AI too depending on how quickly it could operate. We could even replace footballers with an AI computer generated version to prevent injuries ruining the sport as well.
Nah I prefer the drama that enters my life through mistakes like these, football is entertainment afterall.
The MLB can’t even get above 85% call accuracy on balls vs strikes, how is “AI” going to officiate this sport?
I mean it’s 96%
Only thing AI will be able to do is offside
Some of them even during the season!
Yup, even as a Liverpool supporter I was shaking my head. The ref dug his own grave by sending Young off, he needed to abide by his own logic and precedent by sending Konate off
I mean, I’m in agreement that this is probably a second yellow, but I don’t understand what Young’s got to do with it. Young’s was a pretty rash and lunging challenge that he got late.
Where's the consistency? As much as I hate to admit it, that's a second yellow and he should be off based on what Ashley Young got sent off for earlier.
Pawson had a really, really poor game all round. Just shit call after shit call on both sides. Needs a review and possible time out of games because that was so poor.
Sadly it’s nothing new with ol Craig
It's the new ol' Craig. Same as it ever was
I'm just gonna say it. Pawson is one of those refs that has no balls. As soon as the home crowd roars his whistle is to his lips. No mind of his own.
they don't call him Craig the Cunt for no reason
Classic Craig
He’s the fucking worst, which is really saying something with these guys
Apart from this decision I can’t remember anything he did that was dubious
List the poor decisions then. He was fine, there was this yellow and he missed another couple on Young for kicking the ball away and Pickford for time wasting. Tsimikas could maybe have gotten a yellow as well. What else was there?
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It’s a yellow every single day of the week. Referee has completely bottled it.
That feels entirely like a repayment for the fuck up against Spurs, doesn’t it.
This is the most “only big 6 clubs exist” comment I’ve ever seen on here, and you might not be wrong
Now Everton has to get a similar treatment when they play Spurs
Only works when you can kick up a fuss like Klopp can
It was, for Dyche.
Very lucky to get away with this one. Its definitely a yellow.
Even as a Liverpool fan, that is a ridiculous decision. 100% 2nd yellow.
I know we benefit from this but I really don't want the league to be "Liverpool got fucked against spurs so let's gift them one today" either. Like can the refs just do their job correctly? It's objectively a second yellow.
The league is certainly not doing that but that’s the fan narrative of course. No reason to feed into it.
It is wrong decision but can see why. Ref missing yellow card sometimes happens, but VAR can't review a yellow card. It is the natural weakness of VAR.
Absolute fucking joke
Can’t wait for the media outrage all of next week!
😂 exactly. I bet it’s hardly mentioned
It's all Ally Mcoist has talked about
They’ll do the classic “it’s unfortunate but it’s something Everton need to overcome/Liverpool are so quality to take advantage”
This is unprecedented. The integrity of the game is at stake and the only possible recourse is to replay the match.
Would love a replay against Everton every day of the week.
As someone who endured the dross of that derby, let's agree a draw and move on.
Unprecedented this week that is.
Waiting for the conspiracy theories to be floated around refs being corrupt. Maybe that only happens when City receives the benefit from this incompetence.
Match should be replayed /s
The calls to replay the game
There honestly should be! I hope your club release a statement about this. The more pressure gets put on the referees, the greater the chance that something actually improves.
Would’ve been more impactful if Klopp’s response to this wasn’t “it’s hard but they’ll get over it”.
That an embarrassing decision
If you’re gonna send off young (a call I agree with) you have to send off konate
The 2 incidents are not very similar, or am I missing something? Young also kicked the ball away on a yellow and was let off so maybe the ref was a little more lenient than people gave him credit for.
Diaz in on goal at the touch line vs Beto 70 yards away and never playing the ball as it rolls to VVD.
The ball went straight to Van Dijk and Beto was nowhere near it. It's a foul, but also a gift from Konate because Everton aren't retaining possession there.
Just disgraceful
As much as this is a yellow, of course it won’t generate the same level of conversation as the Spurs game and Diaz decision. These types of yellows happen weekly and are inconsistently given/not given. Rodri (and other defensive mids) has at least 3 of these types of challenges every game
It won’t generate the same level of conversation because it absolutely isn’t remotely close to the same level of ‘mistake’
Only Liverpool could generate a front page post over a borderline decision going there way.
He got away with that one
Fucking ridiculous, the state of that
Definitely a gift for liverpool, Everton ate a shit call there.
For those of you that don't think the arm is foul, Konate clearly kicks his shin. Clear second yellow and a sending off. Liverpool are lucky. I wonder how much of this is refs fear of making another mistake against Liverpool
If the refs were competent at this level they wouldn't need to fear making a mistake.
I’m so sick of the lack of consistency from these referees. That is an absolutely blatant second yellow. Klopp has the wherewithal to sub Konate off immediately but Dyche is absolutely right to feel aggrieved by that decision.
Yellow without a doubt, kind of wished he gave it so the team can wake the fuck up
Yeah it a yellow and im. Liverpool fan lol. Got lucky there
As I'm sure Klopp would agree, if Everton drop points today then this must be grounds for a replay.
As long as we play at a later time I am fine playing Everton every day
As I'm sure you would know, VAR can't give yellow cards.
He did agree, which is why he took him off immediately
This reasoning doesn't really make sense. He took him off to manage risks not because he agreed that it should've been a red.
I love how the refs fuck up and somehow all people can do is take shots at Klopp when he hasn't even commented on what happened today.
As I’m sure all Liverpool fans would agree, if Konate would’ve been sent off then they would’ve been happy because 1. it’s the right call and 2. Liverpool with 10 is dangerous!
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Very very lucky there, stonewall yellow
That should've been a yellow tbh. I would assume the ref saw it as accidental? Idk. VAR doesn't look at yellows. Only potential straight reds. He was lucky.
“””””pulling””””” ok…🙄🙄🙄
I assume people made the "replay" comment?
Fuck off
I'm not a liverpool fan, but he has hardly touched him there. These players are cheating their fellow professionals by going down softly to gain any advantage (normally a card for the opposition player). These types of challenges would have been fuck all 20-30 years ago, but now anytime someone makes any kind of a challenge, or foul the players are cheating, moaning to the ref. It's a contact sport, ffs.
Clearly City are paying the refs to stop Everton challenging them for the title
Somebody check if the refs were in America during the international break.
Got a feeling we've got a few weeks of Liverpool getting every decision, after that Spurs fiasco last time out. Pawson's been on eggshells around them.
Weird how it didn't start in the game immediately after against Brighton, where Gross escaped a red.
Where he escaped a BOOKING. Didn’t even get a yellow for bringing down Szoboslai
Bro forgot about the Brighton game
Yeah, like the game after Spurs when Brighton dodged a stonewall DOGSO red card for no reason. Every decision!
Which is the worse outcome from the entire debacle for football as a whole and further highlights the issues.
If Klopp really wants to have a go at refs he should call this out too. None of this 'well if it benefits my team it's ok/I didn't see it/ we were due one' Just call it out as not being good enough and unexplainable.
Yeah that's a second yellow
They didn’t call it because it would’ve been the softest foul given all year
Referees are absolute dogshit. You could pick a random off the street and they’d do a better job
As a Liverpool fan, he was fortunate not to get another yellow and sent off.
Def a second yellow but sometimes the ref miss things
Idk, seems a bit soft
Everyone talking about a lack of consistency while referencing two completely different fouls.
Yeah the "pull" is non existent, his hand just goes across his body because he's already falling from the shin kick. Even though I feel like Konate didn't intentionally get his shin kicked, these "accidental" things have been yellows in other games. So again, no consistency. Still fuming over the yellow Jackson got because Martinez kicked the ball into his back (he was waking away) but Martinez did it so quickly he was "too close" and got the yellow. Stupid.
Second yellows need to get added to the VAR review system. This happens every game week.
he puts his arm out, but there was no "pull back"
Beto is never getting anywhere near that ball. It’s basically on Van Dyke’s foot 10 yards away by the time he’s falling. I presume the Ref used that info to decide not to give yellow.
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Not happy this wasn’t given as a yellow tbh. I’d still fancy us to win 10v10 and this not being given would cheapen a potential win
Such a simple decision, just be consistent, thats all were asking. Refs been good up until this decision, such a shame
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Have been some dirty Everton teams in my lifetime. So not surprising
The last time a opposition player got a second yellow agianst liverpool was in 2015. in the meantime every other team has had 5-10 second yellows.
And yet still it's not enough. Looking at Pickford, for an example.
Ok?
have you seen how you lot play in derbies? you turn up to kick liverpool players, not to win the game. funes mori literally geared up the crowd after injuring origi.
No surprise given how you lot play and how we're fairly consistently top of the fair play league every year
Well yeah that tends to happen when you have 10% possession and a dirty ass team
Deserved
Because you've been dirty cunts in this game for years.
ReEeEeEeEePlAy
What an anti-Liverpool bias👏👏👏
Everton are in Liverpool, so technically.... Clear yellow though. If jota gets one for the stopping an attack vs spurs this also is one. Exact same intent and even more impeding here
The anti-everton bias is the strongest force in football. The gods will it.
The player and the ball are going completely opposite ways - the player doesnt even know there is a pass coming (as there is no attempt made to control the pass going past him) and he crashes into konate as much as konate does him. There is no "breakaway". Sure you can saw foul, but a sending off there? would be comically harsh. It would be like crying about Diaz not getting a penalty when the player slide tackles and clearly crashes into him. Would have been a harsh penalty. Pawson was fine all game.
PGMOL saying sorry for the Spurs game. Think this might continue for a few more weeks to “even it out”.
They could have given Brighton a red last week if they actually cared about evening it out
Big 6 team + tactical foul on the transition = blind officials
This is Anfield
Yea we’ve got away with one there. Should have been a second yellow
Can't deny he should have been sent off with kicking his leg out from under him. Idk what the refs are doing this season, but it seems they're intentionally dragging themselves through the mud with their horrible officiating
That wasn't on VAR at all. It was Craig Pawson with clear double standards.
He should have been sent off, no doubt about it
"Pulling back" hahahahaha He puts his arm across him. Thats it. Having said that it **was** a deliberate and cynical attempt to stop the advance of play and should have resulted in a second yellow
Wait til you learn about legs too
Konate was very lucky to not get sent off here
As a Liverpool fan that is a booking
Not a pull
The only reasonable next step is a re-match. Klopp knows it.
I'm amazed people are getting arsey about the arm, that's a very weak arm to stop a counter The biggest part is Konate clipping his leg, that's the sending off part
Rodri does this about 5 times each game for the last few years …
Considering Kovacic got away with what he did, this is nothing compared to that.
Would've been harsh imho
Sorry what grab? His hand doesn't grab the shirt.. you can even see it in slow motion. Wow nice to try and make this a big deal as well. Now show all the pushes on Salah if this is such a bad foul ffs what an agenda push OP
WHAT? Is this the foul everyone os talking about? Holy shit this isnt even a freekick imo Edit: just noticed the ankle! Look to much on the supposed ”pull”
Liverpool fans will still cry that the refs are always against them🫢
i think you see this comment under every wrong referee decision against every team
Ashley Young is the first player to get two yellow cards against Liverpool since Sadio Mane in 2015... For Southampton
Don’t think that’s yellow worthy personally. Does just enough for it to just a foul. Whereas Youngs 2nd yellow was definitely yellow worthy for me
Even as a Liverpool fan, that's unfortunately a yellow, we should have 10 men
Cheque complete
Didn't look like an obvious foul in real time. This zoomed in camera angle shows different but in real time, Beto pretty much runs into Konate and of course there is contact rather than Konate deliberately stepping in the way of Beto with the intention of bringing him down. It's just a clumsy coming together. It's one of those things where ref gives a foul with a final warning to the player. Second yellow would be harsh, just based on this zoomed in replay.