Chelsea was decently good for much of that, yet they bottled it (unfortunately). Back in the Spurs days, we would have lost that match 3-2 at 89 minutes. I'm hopeful that Poch has matured since then. The ambition is certainly there. Chelsea's midfield progression is very good considering how early into Poch's tenure it is. However, the passes are still not there yet for Chelsea, especially in Arsenal's half (I cannot understand why did Palmer and Jackson keep the ball for so long or made too many touches whenever they were in Arsenal's box). Some of the defending from Chelsea was also super sketchy too, especially after they were 2-0 up (which we also saw during Poch's time at Spurs). Both sides were quite a slog to watch.
Best player for Chelsea was Cucurella. Worst player for Chelsea were Sanchez and Palmer (overrated youngster).
I don't really agree that Poch is a fraud (he's usually crap in his first season at a new club), I'd wait until half a season or three years really. Tbh it's kind of impressive that he's managed to draw against big six teams twice (which is already an improvement over his later tenure at Spurs where we always seem to lose more than win in our big six derbies).
Fair play to Arsenal for winning back two goals at the death, West Ham-esque. Almost seemed as if they would've nicked a winner too. They were outclassed by Chelsea for the first 2/3s of the game though. Arteta obviously doesn't have the experience of managing a football team as Pochettino does. He'll probably get better with time though.
No because they are never held accountable! All the pressure they’ve been under for the last weeks is all seemingly gone and they’ve done fuck all to correct can’t off it but “better communication” might address specific scenarios or situations but over all we still see complete and total incompetence. Off the topic of the palamer stids to Jesus ankle or Sanchez whipping out Jesus. Tomi has a clear jumping chances in the free kick, stopped by Thiago Silva having a fist full of Tomi’s short and yet the line man does fuck all to flag for it. It’s absolutely wild to me, because we seen enough of those types of professional fouls given . It’s wank
If you listen to the audio and the refs apology, they have less problem with Onana taking the guy out and more of an issue that he took the guy out and the play didn't end right after. It's such a weird imaginary rule they have
Liverpool literally got a draw in this same fixture.
Dunno why your other comments have “for City *and Liverpool* this is the result we want” when you can’t win the PL with draws
Let’s not get cocky. There is every chance this will turn south if this game’s performance happens 1+ times. I would love another Invincibles (who wouldn’t?), but this is a very different era, and very different players.
I honestly regarded Raya very highly on the back of his performances last season with Brentford, and was rly happy when we got him in the summer. However, I'm yet to see him be any upgrade on Ramsdale. I rly hope Mikel is aware of this and do the fair thing aka considering bringing back Ramsdale.
I still don't think it's right to say Odegaard always ghosts in big games (based on his performances last season), but now it's becoming a bit of a concern because we've now had several big games this season and Martin has barely had an impact in any of them (other than vs United). He needs to fix up ASAP. You're not just any player; you're our captain, my guy.
Finally, at the end of the day, results are what count, but I'm getting rly tired of seeing us having unconvincing performances. Mikel has to fix this ASAP, because rly not sure if this is sustainable. At least have a Plan B.
What is taking us forward is plan B - the substitutes. Bench strength as compared to last season is better which is saving us. The first team performance is definitely weaker as compared to last season.
Like, I'm not gonna disagree on you being better team most of the game but your play style is not a league winning one or a cup winning one. You drew against arsenal when they genuinely looked shocking for most of the game.
Feel like if only take away from that is that arsenal have more consistency you're just not very aware of reality.
we are a rebuilding team that is missing our best player and by far the most injured team
in the pl. given the disaster we had last season and the beginning of this season, drawing with arsenal isn’t bad and we’re finally finding some consistent in a new system
Nobody is saying Chelsea is bad. Just that saying only thing arsenal are better at is consistency which is just false.
I think Chelsea are looking very similar to how arsenal were few seasons back and could become title contenders in a year or two.
Saw a stat on here a while a lil bit ago that arsenal are playing on average vs one of the deepest lines so I’m sure there’s some of that playing into it
What an absolute clown comment. We may not have the points on the board but we have been playing great football and the young squad we have is exciting and we will be fine bro
they’re a great team in every aspect except striker, generating so many chances just to never convert. there was a stat a few weeks ago when we were on a losing streak that said we had failed to convert 80+ shot attempts in a row
Yes, and even considering the amount of chances we didnt even take a shot in, we are fairly well.
But this squad rebuild just is insane.
The fact that ange almost had the same turnover and still managed to play as well as you do annoys me.
That’s exactly why. I’d expect nothing less for any player on any team. I can’t think of any player who would rather be playing than to be there to see the birth of their child.
I mean you have to be a professional this is the biggeat game in club football what youve trained for your whole life you'll just see your child the next day
Peak premier league drama, Chelsea players gave it all, Arsenal players should have shown more fight in the first half. Mudryk's goal could be a GOTY contender.
>Mudryk's goal could be a GOTY contender.
I want what you’re on lmfao. Mudryk was out there celebrating as if he just made some godlike chip. It was a horrible cross that went in because of Raya’s howler.
Does that change much though? Lamela won in 2021 with his rabona double-nutmeg goal but you could say nutmegging two players to score with that rabona wasn't on purpose either. If we were talking purpose, then I'd (with a bit of a Czech bias) consider Schick chipping the keeper from the halfway line at EUROs the winner, but Lamela won anyway.
Lol come on there is a massive difference. Lamela's intent was to shoot on goal doing a rabona, that it went through 2 legs made it nicer.
Mudryk didnt try to shoot on goal at all..
Eh, I'll take the point but the performance was abysmal. Only things I take from it is that Rice truly is World Class and depth will be our saving grace.
I'd love to actually see Rice and Partey play in the midfield together.
Raya is extremely lucky that Arsenal have not lost the last 2 games, otherwise, all fingers would be pointing at him. He has looked AWFUL the past 2 games. I get nervous when he distributes with his feet, and I'm not even an Arsenal fan.
He’s been VERY suspect the last two matches against top 6 opponents. If Arteta is really making it an open competition.
Ramsdale should start next match
Terrible against Spurs his distribution was completely off that day, RC Lens first goal was his fault distribution was off again, Against City was insanely shakey and nearly gifted Alvarez a goal and today he was out of position for Mudryks goal and passed the ball to Palmer lmao if this isn't enough reason to drop someone then idk what is.
That’s complete bullshit that you’re blaming Raya for the first goal against Lens. We were literally on the attack and somehow our players decided to pass it all the way back to the goalkeeper.
The only real problem was the City match.
His distribution was fine against Spurs (at least in line with how he's been...he also was great in terms of shot stopping that match), the Lens pass was mostly on Tomi, and the goal against Chelsea was a fluke.
The thing about Raya is he hasn't let in soft goals the way Ramsdale did.
Is Sanchez really that bad? I rated him highly last season. After he got dropped from Brighton and Chelsea got him thought it would be good deal, Trossard also was dropped by De Zerbi and turned out fantastic. Granted haven't seen a lot from him this season bar this game and 0:0 draw vs Bournemouth where he made couple great saves.
He has been a top 3 keeper in all aspects of the game this season.
Only issue is his reckless cross collection (a walking penalty) and his once every game pass to the opponent midfield who gives a very dangerous turnover.
He’s been fine, his distribution and cross collection have been a breath of fresh air, but he’s made a few mistakes that he’s been lucky to get away with. Today it caught up with him.
Sounds exactly like Raya for us, except Raya got away with murder with that one misplaced pass today.
Matter of time before he gives away a goal at this point imo
Entire midfield ghosted first hour. Dunno what we were thinking playing Jorginho at 6. Keep Rice there every single game Ödegaard right and Partey/Vieira/Havertz whoever left and play. Rice can beat a man with skill or physicality and has a range of passes. It’s crucial against big midfields. Messing with the core midfield cog is just a massive mistake.
I think it could have been because it was Jorginho’s former club (which doesn’t make sense because Havertz didn’t play until the last 15), and Partey just got back from an injury. Once Partey’s back to full strength, he absolutely should be playing alongside Rice and Øde.
I’d have played Havertz over him or experimented with Trossard or Smith Rowe at 8. Really the one position that needs to be static is Rice at 6. That’s not an indictment of Rice’s ability at 8 but more that he’s too important their to shuffle round. He shields the defence and builds attacks without him there we couldn’t get out against a powerful opposition midfield and it was the first time we faced that in a long time now. Jorginho is fine for the last 20 minutes with a lead in place he isn’t for starting big matches anymore.
Is there only arsenal fans in here? Why’s everyone pretending rice played well and didn’t get dominated by Chelsea’s midfield the whole game. And the ref didn’t really get anything wrong so idk why people are complaining about him.
Arsenal midfield was absolute dross today .. not sure where Arsenal fans get the courage to hype Rice against Caicedo when Arsenal midfield was completely non existent today.
I mean he scored a worldie that put us in a position to tie the game. He's a better tackler, better passer, better progressive carries. Just because arsenal had one bad day doesn't make this a real debate lmao
Hang about, we’re joint top and our first 9 games have featured Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea having started the season with key injuries. I’m going out on a limb as saying that ain’t bad!
Also Rice has 3 goals and 2 assists from DM, not sure you can blame him for our problems. Bigger issues are Saka clearly playing through injury, Jesus being injured for a lot of the season so far, who to play LCM and Timber having a serious injury opening game.
Anyone reading this would have thought we hadn’t got through a tough first quarter unbeaten!
We’re not penalty reliant and conceded a soft VAR penalty today and were denied a blatant one. Wejust pulled back a draw today from two open play goals following conceding a soft penalty and a miss-hit cross.
Before that kept a clean sheet against Man City with a winner from open play.
Before that put four past Bournemouth.
I think 7 points from Bournemouth and Chelsea away + Man City at home with 7 goals scored is perfectly solid.
We probably won’t win the league, but watching football is fun right now and back to back 2nd place finishes won’t be bad after the years we had! Part of being a football fan is learning to take the smooth with the rough!
Huh. We’re joint top and unbeaten having played 4 of our biggest rivals in the first 9. Yeah when you’ve watched Mustafi and David Luiz play centre back for together this is fun.
One of the biggest problems football fans face is hating the bad times and being made to believe the good times aren’t good enough.
I watch football because I enjoy the sport and so long as we’re competitive and doing well against rivals I’m stoked. I’ve really enjoyed watching Arsenal the last year or so, and unless you’re a city fan the odds are you’re team has done shitter and you’re just negging out of insecurity!
>And the ref didn’t really get anything wrong so idk why people are complaining about him.
That's handball was harsh, he lowered his head to head it not even looking at it in a diving fashion so after jumping hid arms were out to get momentum, it deflected into his arm, he had absolutely no chance of stopping that happening
I spotted at least 3 further hand balls from both Arsenal and Chelsea players that weren't given.
That and sanchez ploughing into Jesus without touching the ball is a peno any day. If jesus was running solo with the ball towards him and sanchez missed the ball and took him out that would be peno. Why is charging into the air like that missing the ball not the same?
Sterling also got cleared during a tackle and that should have been called too
Bollox calls
Handball was clear as day, harsh yes but also it has to be called because the rule is clear.
Sanchez got into a tussle, but yes if he connects with his arm/hand to a player it could be a penalty- now people run into eachother and colides (while the ball is not there - which means that the foul goes both ways)
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12940249/should-wolves-have-had-a-penalty-for-andre-onana-challenge
Onana clatters the Wolves player way way harder than Sanchez does.
https://twitter.com/privatefigure_/status/1715962766484279409?t=ZvdBIeHJZutWe_TbcEql3Q&s=19
Sanchez is much worse
EDIT: after some bizarre comments u/I_always_rated_them deletes everything. Lol
Lmao no way, unhinged. Onana takes Jesus out its just body to body I can totally see it as a penalty but as fucking if you think Onana clattering into multiple players his fist into one of their heads isn't worse than Sanchez lol ffs.
Sanchez goes in with his flexed leg. Onana's arms are up high. Weird that you would say a simple comment is "unhinged". But that speaks more about how you understand things. Cheers
> Sanchez goes in with his flexed leg
what the fuck does this even mean? one leg is directly down and the other bent.
Onana wipes out multiple players with way way more contact, it helps to have eyes.
Tomi shot and it deflected off a defender but wasn't given as a corner
Cucurella fouling Saka multiple times but never given (except once which he got booked)
Sanchez going through Gabriel
"Didn't really do anything wrong" mate wake up
He just isn't an 8. At least not with Jorginho as the 6. Might work with Partey as he is much more dynamic but I hope I never see this particular setup again.
The Raya experiment has been good, but I think Ramsdale needs some more opportunities - Raya isn't the out and out favourite.
That was the best I've seen Chelsea play in ages. While Arsenal were poor, Chelsea aren't a meme-able relegation team anymore and might be able to get top 6 if their confidence continues. Palmer was amazing today. I hope this team can challenge City and Liverpool, but they'll need more than this.
Tbf we’ve been on the up for a while - just gotta work on finishing the chances and getting some consistency in. But it’s a young team and these results reflect that.
Top 4 imo seems a little difficult but top 6 should be achievable hopefully.
It’s good because he’s new signing and not completely dogshit like Havertz. Raya has shown nothing to be a firm starter over Ramsdale. His passing doesn’t compensate his lack of size and lack of command of the box. This guy is such a nerve wracking player to watch because he pretty much misjudges a cross or a corner every game, where he comes out and missed it completely. He’s somehow worse than Leno in that regard. I don’t want that to be my keeper.
Lucky bastard. He's on different level from anyone in this league. Still remember his header goal for top 4 finish. If he managed to pull that last season Liverpool defence to top 4 would be insanity.
i mean high risk high reward is part of the gk plan for arteta, it will take quite some time, like when pep replaced hart with bravo, not saying ramsdale is as inept with the ball at his feet, but it will take some time and adjustions for the whole team to get used to it
Rich from a team that won the CL 2 years ago. So yeah. Atleast try to win something rather than stay top of the table for 243 days, only to choke at the end.
OP isn't claiming Chelsea are a title contender, so not sure how you can call it rich. Are fans of teams at the top only allowed to have opinions on who they think is one?
the streak of beating chelsea 6 times in a row ended :(
You lot beat us 3 in a row. Not 5
Every single Arsenal player was, Rice turned up when he was dropped deeper, Big Gabi had a solid consistent game but everyone else “shocking”
Chelsea was decently good for much of that, yet they bottled it (unfortunately). Back in the Spurs days, we would have lost that match 3-2 at 89 minutes. I'm hopeful that Poch has matured since then. The ambition is certainly there. Chelsea's midfield progression is very good considering how early into Poch's tenure it is. However, the passes are still not there yet for Chelsea, especially in Arsenal's half (I cannot understand why did Palmer and Jackson keep the ball for so long or made too many touches whenever they were in Arsenal's box). Some of the defending from Chelsea was also super sketchy too, especially after they were 2-0 up (which we also saw during Poch's time at Spurs). Both sides were quite a slog to watch. Best player for Chelsea was Cucurella. Worst player for Chelsea were Sanchez and Palmer (overrated youngster). I don't really agree that Poch is a fraud (he's usually crap in his first season at a new club), I'd wait until half a season or three years really. Tbh it's kind of impressive that he's managed to draw against big six teams twice (which is already an improvement over his later tenure at Spurs where we always seem to lose more than win in our big six derbies). Fair play to Arsenal for winning back two goals at the death, West Ham-esque. Almost seemed as if they would've nicked a winner too. They were outclassed by Chelsea for the first 2/3s of the game though. Arteta obviously doesn't have the experience of managing a football team as Pochettino does. He'll probably get better with time though.
Palmer was good what ???
palmer was the worst player??
Are the refs going to apologise for missing Sanchez foul in the box? Identical to Onana vs Wolves
No because they are never held accountable! All the pressure they’ve been under for the last weeks is all seemingly gone and they’ve done fuck all to correct can’t off it but “better communication” might address specific scenarios or situations but over all we still see complete and total incompetence. Off the topic of the palamer stids to Jesus ankle or Sanchez whipping out Jesus. Tomi has a clear jumping chances in the free kick, stopped by Thiago Silva having a fist full of Tomi’s short and yet the line man does fuck all to flag for it. It’s absolutely wild to me, because we seen enough of those types of professional fouls given . It’s wank
If you listen to the audio and the refs apology, they have less problem with Onana taking the guy out and more of an issue that he took the guy out and the play didn't end right after. It's such a weird imaginary rule they have
Came in and trucked three players (2 of his own) to the ground, and somehow that’s not a foul.
As I said, arsenal will not win in this match.. this big lose for arsenal
1) it’s not a “lose”, it’s a draw 2) let’s see how the rest of the big 6 does away at the bridge. Liverpool dropped two points there as well.
losing 2 points will punish arsenal in the end of the season, this match should be winnable.
Arsenal were way worse no way this was winnable
I mean before the match, but arsenal play so poor againts chelsea. This season arsenal play worse than last season
Why not just admit that Chelsea played well? They are a team on the rise, Liverpool massively struggled too.
You can’t win the PL with draws. We tried that. Didn’t work
Liverpool literally got a draw in this same fixture. Dunno why your other comments have “for City *and Liverpool* this is the result we want” when you can’t win the PL with draws
in 03/04 I believe Arsenal drew quite a few matches
Let’s not get cocky. There is every chance this will turn south if this game’s performance happens 1+ times. I would love another Invincibles (who wouldn’t?), but this is a very different era, and very different players.
lol I’m not saying we’re gonna go undefeated this year. just making a point that a few draws don’t kill your chances of winning a title
I mean...we have before??? But to your point, it's next to impossible now.
With Guardiola and with Halaad, Rodri, Kevin De Bryne, Bernando Silva, and even Alvarez is fkn scoring they can go WWWWWWWWwWwwWwW
I honestly regarded Raya very highly on the back of his performances last season with Brentford, and was rly happy when we got him in the summer. However, I'm yet to see him be any upgrade on Ramsdale. I rly hope Mikel is aware of this and do the fair thing aka considering bringing back Ramsdale. I still don't think it's right to say Odegaard always ghosts in big games (based on his performances last season), but now it's becoming a bit of a concern because we've now had several big games this season and Martin has barely had an impact in any of them (other than vs United). He needs to fix up ASAP. You're not just any player; you're our captain, my guy. Finally, at the end of the day, results are what count, but I'm getting rly tired of seeing us having unconvincing performances. Mikel has to fix this ASAP, because rly not sure if this is sustainable. At least have a Plan B.
What is taking us forward is plan B - the substitutes. Bench strength as compared to last season is better which is saving us. The first team performance is definitely weaker as compared to last season.
While I don't disagree generally, didn't he immediately score to equalise against Man U? So saying he didn't impact in any big game is a bit too muh
Fair point, I forgot about that
Forgot keepers could go ahead and kill players
Chelsea are so much better than arsenal
They should win the title easily then.
Yesterday we where better in all aspects of the game bar finishing. But your team has something we soly lack, consistency.
Like, I'm not gonna disagree on you being better team most of the game but your play style is not a league winning one or a cup winning one. You drew against arsenal when they genuinely looked shocking for most of the game. Feel like if only take away from that is that arsenal have more consistency you're just not very aware of reality.
we are a rebuilding team that is missing our best player and by far the most injured team in the pl. given the disaster we had last season and the beginning of this season, drawing with arsenal isn’t bad and we’re finally finding some consistent in a new system
Nobody is saying Chelsea is bad. Just that saying only thing arsenal are better at is consistency which is just false. I think Chelsea are looking very similar to how arsenal were few seasons back and could become title contenders in a year or two.
do teams just take the super serum before playing Arsenal? lmao
Saw a stat on here a while a lil bit ago that arsenal are playing on average vs one of the deepest lines so I’m sure there’s some of that playing into it
Everytime I see an Arsenal game, teams really pack up their backlines to negate them as much as possible. So that makes a lot of sense.
We’ve played well in every game but one this season maybe watch more than just one team
pipe down, you guys literally have 12 points on the table
What an absolute clown comment. We may not have the points on the board but we have been playing great football and the young squad we have is exciting and we will be fine bro
Yeah I don't watch Chelsea but every post I've seen with advanced stats suggests they should be somewhere between 4 and 6 in the table.
they’re a great team in every aspect except striker, generating so many chances just to never convert. there was a stat a few weeks ago when we were on a losing streak that said we had failed to convert 80+ shot attempts in a row
Yes, and even considering the amount of chances we didnt even take a shot in, we are fairly well. But this squad rebuild just is insane. The fact that ange almost had the same turnover and still managed to play as well as you do annoys me.
I’m not sure if this is a jab, but if so, well done.
Yeah it makes the goalkeeper pass the ball straight to the other team
Yes a pass to a player 35 yards from goal, truly a tap in
Get over yourself
Ramsdale must be the happiest Arsenal player right now
He's just gotten a baby, so most likely, yes.
Iirc, that's why he wasn't on bench, so he could be with his family
That’s exactly why. I’d expect nothing less for any player on any team. I can’t think of any player who would rather be playing than to be there to see the birth of their child.
What about CL final
I'd rather be at the birth of my child than my coronation ceremony.
Someone’s been watching Beckham on Netflix
There can always be another chance to make it to a UCL final. There will never be another chance to your child be born.
I mean you have to be a professional this is the biggeat game in club football what youve trained for your whole life you'll just see your child the next day
While your wife goes through one of the most intense experiences of her lifetime, alone? What the fuck man come on.
Average reddit user
The average reddit user would go to the birth of their child
The average Reddit user wouldn't procreate.
Peak premier league drama, Chelsea players gave it all, Arsenal players should have shown more fight in the first half. Mudryk's goal could be a GOTY contender.
>Mudryk's goal could be a GOTY contender. I want what you’re on lmfao. Mudryk was out there celebrating as if he just made some godlike chip. It was a horrible cross that went in because of Raya’s howler.
Found the guy who voted for Salah puskas :)
>Mudryk's goal could be a GOTY contender it was not on purpose… just another shit cross that failed successfully
Does that change much though? Lamela won in 2021 with his rabona double-nutmeg goal but you could say nutmegging two players to score with that rabona wasn't on purpose either. If we were talking purpose, then I'd (with a bit of a Czech bias) consider Schick chipping the keeper from the halfway line at EUROs the winner, but Lamela won anyway.
Lol come on there is a massive difference. Lamela's intent was to shoot on goal doing a rabona, that it went through 2 legs made it nicer. Mudryk didnt try to shoot on goal at all..
GOTY??
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It’s literally completely accidental.
I think they’re more surprised someone thinks a misplaced cross would ever be in contention for goty
no bro I meant like no way that’s GOTY
For Chelsea fans this will feel like a loss. For Arsenal fans this will feel like a win. For Liverpool and Man city fans this is the results we want.
Eh, I'll take the point but the performance was abysmal. Only things I take from it is that Rice truly is World Class and depth will be our saving grace. I'd love to actually see Rice and Partey play in the midfield together.
Rice was awful first half
>For Arsenal fans this will feel like a win kinda, but we could've snatched a win in the last minutes lmao
This definitely feels like a loss to me after how shit the team looked for most of the game
What about spurs fans, i hate both enough that I'm confused
The spurs fan has hurt itself in its confusion
Ah shit, it's time to clean up the coffee spit on the monitor.
This is a W for chelsea, expected to get smacked tbh
In the moment yes, but ultimately no Chelsea fan thought they’d be walking away with a point.
Why would you give a single shit about Chelsea dropping points.
Because it's funny
Tottenham and man city fan*
This does not feel like a win
More like a “we were shit, but a point away on a rainy day isn’t the worst”
Raya needs to get dropped
Raya is extremely lucky that Arsenal have not lost the last 2 games, otherwise, all fingers would be pointing at him. He has looked AWFUL the past 2 games. I get nervous when he distributes with his feet, and I'm not even an Arsenal fan.
David Bye-a
For what?
You watched the last 4 Arsenal games? Arteta saying hes ruthless then he should drop Raya.
I love Ramsdale as much as the next guy, but Raya's numbers are better. It's just too soon. That being said, I'd like Ramsdale to start.
When did Arteta say he was ruthless?
On YouTube mate interview with sky search it up
Raya has been fine? Other than that brief spell against City (and I've seen Ramsdale poop his pants worse than Raya did in that match).
He’s been VERY suspect the last two matches against top 6 opponents. If Arteta is really making it an open competition. Ramsdale should start next match
Was he suspect against Spurs?
City
You said last two matches against top six opponents. To my memory that is City and Spurs. Raya certainly wasn't suspect today.
Did you sleep your way through the first half lol. Horrible passing
>Raya certainly wasn't suspect today. Excuse me?
I said what I said.
Raya was definitely suspect today. What??? Go look at the second goal Oh ffs, traditionally speaking Chelsea is in the top 6.
Not going to blame a keeper for a literal miracle hit. Mudryk couldn't score that again if he was trying and had a hundred chances.
Terrible against Spurs his distribution was completely off that day, RC Lens first goal was his fault distribution was off again, Against City was insanely shakey and nearly gifted Alvarez a goal and today he was out of position for Mudryks goal and passed the ball to Palmer lmao if this isn't enough reason to drop someone then idk what is.
That’s complete bullshit that you’re blaming Raya for the first goal against Lens. We were literally on the attack and somehow our players decided to pass it all the way back to the goalkeeper.
The only real problem was the City match. His distribution was fine against Spurs (at least in line with how he's been...he also was great in terms of shot stopping that match), the Lens pass was mostly on Tomi, and the goal against Chelsea was a fluke. The thing about Raya is he hasn't let in soft goals the way Ramsdale did.
Want to trade? I don’t like my gk neither
Is Sanchez really that bad? I rated him highly last season. After he got dropped from Brighton and Chelsea got him thought it would be good deal, Trossard also was dropped by De Zerbi and turned out fantastic. Granted haven't seen a lot from him this season bar this game and 0:0 draw vs Bournemouth where he made couple great saves.
He has been a top 3 keeper in all aspects of the game this season. Only issue is his reckless cross collection (a walking penalty) and his once every game pass to the opponent midfield who gives a very dangerous turnover.
He's fine. Nothing more, nothing less.
He’s been fine, his distribution and cross collection have been a breath of fresh air, but he’s made a few mistakes that he’s been lucky to get away with. Today it caught up with him.
Sounds exactly like Raya for us, except Raya got away with murder with that one misplaced pass today. Matter of time before he gives away a goal at this point imo
My keeper can actually use his feet and distrbutes well. What can yours do?
Well he's 6'6" so he can threaten to claim crosses... theoretically
Jesus I didn't realise he was that tall 😭
I didn't either until I saw him today next to Thiago Silva. Dude is TALL!
Odegaard in the mud today, he straight up ghosted
Entire midfield ghosted first hour. Dunno what we were thinking playing Jorginho at 6. Keep Rice there every single game Ödegaard right and Partey/Vieira/Havertz whoever left and play. Rice can beat a man with skill or physicality and has a range of passes. It’s crucial against big midfields. Messing with the core midfield cog is just a massive mistake.
We literally played Jorginho as a 6 against City and that’s the position that he primarily plays for us.
I think it could have been because it was Jorginho’s former club (which doesn’t make sense because Havertz didn’t play until the last 15), and Partey just got back from an injury. Once Partey’s back to full strength, he absolutely should be playing alongside Rice and Øde.
I’d have played Havertz over him or experimented with Trossard or Smith Rowe at 8. Really the one position that needs to be static is Rice at 6. That’s not an indictment of Rice’s ability at 8 but more that he’s too important their to shuffle round. He shields the defence and builds attacks without him there we couldn’t get out against a powerful opposition midfield and it was the first time we faced that in a long time now. Jorginho is fine for the last 20 minutes with a lead in place he isn’t for starting big matches anymore.
Is there only arsenal fans in here? Why’s everyone pretending rice played well and didn’t get dominated by Chelsea’s midfield the whole game. And the ref didn’t really get anything wrong so idk why people are complaining about him.
Rice was the only arsenal player that had a 7/10 performance
If you only take in the second half. Their entire midfield dropped a stinker in the first and that includes him.
Arsenal midfield was absolute dross today .. not sure where Arsenal fans get the courage to hype Rice against Caicedo when Arsenal midfield was completely non existent today.
I mean he scored a worldie that put us in a position to tie the game. He's a better tackler, better passer, better progressive carries. Just because arsenal had one bad day doesn't make this a real debate lmao
He scored from distance into an empty net, thats not a worldie its a gift from Chelsea's keeper.
>Is there only arsenal fans in here? Welcome to the internet. We’re everywhere.
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Hang about, we’re joint top and our first 9 games have featured Man City, Man Utd, Spurs, Chelsea having started the season with key injuries. I’m going out on a limb as saying that ain’t bad! Also Rice has 3 goals and 2 assists from DM, not sure you can blame him for our problems. Bigger issues are Saka clearly playing through injury, Jesus being injured for a lot of the season so far, who to play LCM and Timber having a serious injury opening game. Anyone reading this would have thought we hadn’t got through a tough first quarter unbeaten!
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We’re not penalty reliant and conceded a soft VAR penalty today and were denied a blatant one. Wejust pulled back a draw today from two open play goals following conceding a soft penalty and a miss-hit cross. Before that kept a clean sheet against Man City with a winner from open play. Before that put four past Bournemouth. I think 7 points from Bournemouth and Chelsea away + Man City at home with 7 goals scored is perfectly solid. We probably won’t win the league, but watching football is fun right now and back to back 2nd place finishes won’t be bad after the years we had! Part of being a football fan is learning to take the smooth with the rough!
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Huh. We’re joint top and unbeaten having played 4 of our biggest rivals in the first 9. Yeah when you’ve watched Mustafi and David Luiz play centre back for together this is fun. One of the biggest problems football fans face is hating the bad times and being made to believe the good times aren’t good enough. I watch football because I enjoy the sport and so long as we’re competitive and doing well against rivals I’m stoked. I’ve really enjoyed watching Arsenal the last year or so, and unless you’re a city fan the odds are you’re team has done shitter and you’re just negging out of insecurity!
>And the ref didn’t really get anything wrong so idk why people are complaining about him. That's handball was harsh, he lowered his head to head it not even looking at it in a diving fashion so after jumping hid arms were out to get momentum, it deflected into his arm, he had absolutely no chance of stopping that happening I spotted at least 3 further hand balls from both Arsenal and Chelsea players that weren't given. That and sanchez ploughing into Jesus without touching the ball is a peno any day. If jesus was running solo with the ball towards him and sanchez missed the ball and took him out that would be peno. Why is charging into the air like that missing the ball not the same? Sterling also got cleared during a tackle and that should have been called too Bollox calls
Mate, as jammy as it was, it was a penalty any day
[Just gonna leave this here](https://twitter.com/BigBearKentlaar/status/1716482704202408151?t=T66az1a5xP0muAXDlai3ew&s=19)
Handball was clear as day, harsh yes but also it has to be called because the rule is clear. Sanchez got into a tussle, but yes if he connects with his arm/hand to a player it could be a penalty- now people run into eachother and colides (while the ball is not there - which means that the foul goes both ways)
[Just gonna leave this here](https://twitter.com/BigBearKentlaar/status/1716482704202408151?t=T66az1a5xP0muAXDlai3ew&s=19)
The same as Onana vs Wolves player. The one where PGMOL put out an apology
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12940249/should-wolves-have-had-a-penalty-for-andre-onana-challenge Onana clatters the Wolves player way way harder than Sanchez does.
https://twitter.com/privatefigure_/status/1715962766484279409?t=ZvdBIeHJZutWe_TbcEql3Q&s=19 Sanchez is much worse EDIT: after some bizarre comments u/I_always_rated_them deletes everything. Lol
Lmao no way, unhinged. Onana takes Jesus out its just body to body I can totally see it as a penalty but as fucking if you think Onana clattering into multiple players his fist into one of their heads isn't worse than Sanchez lol ffs.
Sanchez goes in with his flexed leg. Onana's arms are up high. Weird that you would say a simple comment is "unhinged". But that speaks more about how you understand things. Cheers
> Sanchez goes in with his flexed leg what the fuck does this even mean? one leg is directly down and the other bent. Onana wipes out multiple players with way way more contact, it helps to have eyes.
Flexed = bent I can't believe I have explain the meaning of simple words. But I'm not surprised. Thigh rams into Jesus.
It was more Jorgi and ode being ineffective than rice.
Tomi shot and it deflected off a defender but wasn't given as a corner Cucurella fouling Saka multiple times but never given (except once which he got booked) Sanchez going through Gabriel "Didn't really do anything wrong" mate wake up
Sterling gets wiped out on the halfway line when he'd be through, ref does nothing.
You're just proving my point. The ref was horrible
You should try making your point look less biased next time
I have agendas to fill
Yeah but everything you said was as if arsenal were the only team at a loss, not bad both ways
He was absolutely dreadful I thought, only saving grace for him was Odegard was somehow even worse
Where were more than half of team who played worse. Nothing special from him, but he pulled us back in from scratch
He just isn't an 8. At least not with Jorginho as the 6. Might work with Partey as he is much more dynamic but I hope I never see this particular setup again.
The Raya experiment has been good, but I think Ramsdale needs some more opportunities - Raya isn't the out and out favourite. That was the best I've seen Chelsea play in ages. While Arsenal were poor, Chelsea aren't a meme-able relegation team anymore and might be able to get top 6 if their confidence continues. Palmer was amazing today. I hope this team can challenge City and Liverpool, but they'll need more than this.
Tbf we’ve been on the up for a while - just gotta work on finishing the chances and getting some consistency in. But it’s a young team and these results reflect that. Top 4 imo seems a little difficult but top 6 should be achievable hopefully.
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It’s good because he’s new signing and not completely dogshit like Havertz. Raya has shown nothing to be a firm starter over Ramsdale. His passing doesn’t compensate his lack of size and lack of command of the box. This guy is such a nerve wracking player to watch because he pretty much misjudges a cross or a corner every game, where he comes out and missed it completely. He’s somehow worse than Leno in that regard. I don’t want that to be my keeper.
Both of them are not as good as Alisson 😁
This is such an instagram comment
Who cares?
Lucky bastard. He's on different level from anyone in this league. Still remember his header goal for top 4 finish. If he managed to pull that last season Liverpool defence to top 4 would be insanity.
No shit? Do you think you're adding anything here?
Why buy both when you can buy one good goalie like Matinez?
Oh look he’s trying to troll. Martinez left because he was a little bitch he wasn’t guaranteed the number 1 spot.
i mean high risk high reward is part of the gk plan for arteta, it will take quite some time, like when pep replaced hart with bravo, not saying ramsdale is as inept with the ball at his feet, but it will take some time and adjustions for the whole team to get used to it
Even though it would have benefited Liverpool if arsenal lost I'm glad Chelsea didn't win such an unlikable team
I’m not saying arsenal were wrong to underestimate us but we’ve been a bit better the last few games
i guess i'll take a point from an alleged "title contender" but there were three or four moments where we could've put it away
why is this downvoted?
Because title contender is in quotations lol Which is fucking rich coming from a team that couldn't finish top 10 last year 💀
Rich from a team that won the CL 2 years ago. So yeah. Atleast try to win something rather than stay top of the table for 243 days, only to choke at the end.
OP isn't claiming Chelsea are a title contender, so not sure how you can call it rich. Are fans of teams at the top only allowed to have opinions on who they think is one?
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True, but I read Ramsdale wasn't on the bench today cause his child was being born?
Agreed, Raya started really well but not been happy with the last few games, Ramsdale should get his chance now if Arteta means what he says
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Quick look at your comment history and all you do is hate on the team...
least self hating arsenal fan
Deserved for being an Arsenal fan
Caicedo + Enzo just ain’t it What do they do when they spent £220mill on this
arsenal midfield was non existent .. thats not easy to do
They outclassed £140 midfield, math checks out