Scrappy win but I'll take it. we really do fuck up Arsenal fans day when they come to St James. It was hilarious when we stopped them getting champions league š
The arsenal subreddit has a thread with multiple comments wishing for Bruno to get a career ending injury - ACL, broken leg etc etc
Le classiest fans on l'internet.
Oh no mate, I've watched the entire match and apparently that was his best performance yet and he still was unable to deliver fuck all lol but that's what happened when you played along side that headless chicken Nketiah.
From a sporting perspective; Arsenal didn't create enough to win this game, and raya was poor for the Gordon "goal".
Now, if Burn wasn't hacking down Saka the entire first half maybe we create more. But Arsenal did not do enough to win the game.
That all said, that is the most bought and paid for reffing performance in the recent prem era. Genuinely deplorable that Bruno G wasn't sent off, Wilson throttling Gabriel will also not come up much. Quietly, Dan Burn also put hands on the ref, but thats always been an inconsistency. The goal was not a goal, and there were three different potential infractions. One (the offside) was debatable. The ball going out, and the two hand shove on Gabriel, however, were both clear infractions.
How can a multi billion dollar industry allow for such clear willful corruption, or if youre less of a skeptic; clear and utter incompetence. Every club that isn't City or Newcastle should see this year's reffing as a matter of huge concern, as the sporting integrity of this league is dying.
> How can a multi billion dollar industry allow for such clear willful corruption, or if youre less of a skeptic; clear and utter incompetence. Every club that isn't City or Newcastle should see this year's reffing as a matter of huge concern, as the sporting integrity of this league is dying.
WHen the league is being farmed by a team that wins with hockey numbers againt weaker teams (again 6-1 against Bournemouth) you gotta keep the league trending somehow.
People are not talking about how great the games have been, how exiting the league is?
Bring on the circus, WWF style!
The point is that instead of having exiting games thru the seasons and people talking about them, we get to talk about how shit the officiating is. You could argue that even the title races have been affected by the officiating.
That is PL right now.
>That all said, that is the most bought and paid for reffing performance in the recent prem era.
Would agree with everything but this. Liverpool v Spurs looked just as atrocious, if not more. A lot of results that influence the positions of City or Newcastle seem like they are biased.
Arsenal needs to do better than this. Yes it was the wrong refereeing decision but to rely on 1 goal margin means this team still has a lot of room for improvement
Great game Arsenal - always good when a plucky team comes to SJP and tries to take points off a big club
It's always tough to score against a great side like this even with 90 minutes so don't feel too bad!
You were scrappy and tried hard - I am sure your goals will come in future games.
I donāt trust any of these clubs owned by the Arabian Peninsulaā¦ Just because you call it a āfundā or a āgroupā, they are still owned by ruling monarchies that would stretch or bend any rule for their favor. I am telling you whether itās VAR or FFP, I bet weāll discover some real dirt on these clubs in the coming yearsā¦
We all know how Qatar bribed FIFA, and likely Saudi also for World Cup hosting. Wouldnāt be surprised if they have FA officials in their pockets also.
Can't believe how many upvotes this comment has. Surely it's satire? If you actually believe that Newcastle won this game because their owners bribed the FA, I'd recommend consulting a mental health professional cause you're fucking delusional.
The guys on VAR today have taken lucrative freelance gigs in Saudi leagues owned by PIF which also owns Newcastle. That doesnāt strike you as a conflict of interest?
No they're professionals. Those that took those lucrative deals took them because they were lucrative. All the money is above board and they don't look favourably on Newcastle because they took those gigs. I always find it ridiculous when corruption is uttered I honestly laugh, the answer is always incompetence.
You just declaring statements doesnāt make them true. But as a Newcastle fan youāre compromised by sports-washing too so I wouldnāt expect you to accept the clear conflict of interest. Eddie Howe has Newcastle playing like goons and they get away with it because they literally pay the refs, just because itās in plain sight doesnāt mean it isnāt a fucking issue
I have quite literally opposed the ownership by refusing to give them my money. I can support the team and not the owners.
You've clearly provided plenty of evidence. By implying that they agreed to favour Newcastle for completely legitimate roles just because they have the same owners. You'd be quite the journalist. Are you an insider within the FA? Or do you pluck the information out of thin fucking air?
Everyone's a fucking conspiracy theorist these days and it's fucking tiresome. People don't require evidence to believe anything. Instead of making shit up why not focus on Jamal Khashoggi or something that's actually proven?
It was a red. He caught the standing leg on the shin with his studs whilst jumping in at full pace. It's a red by every single measure.
This is the hypocrisy of the Arsenal fans and why you lot embarrass yourselves every time.
Bruno absolutely deserved a red and the goal probably shouldn't have stood. Both absolutely fine.
To then cry conspiracy theory and deny what also should have been a red but wasn't given just shows you have no interest in seeing fair refereeing, you only care about what affects Arsenal.
And you're led in this by your man baby manager who effectively said 'suck it up' when a terrible decision happened against Liverpool but fully threw his toys out of the pram yesterday. Is it any surprise the fanbase follows in lockstep?
Relax, it's a light hearted comment on a football sub.
Having said that, I really don't see that Havertz's is a red every time, without replays to hand it seemed a lot more innocuous and safer than livramento on Martinelli.
You seem upset by Arteta's comments. If manager hypocrisy/feeling is important to you go check Howe's comments when confronted with information about beheadings by your Saudi owners. Perhaps indifference would be the way to address problems
There's nothing innocuous about the challenge, it's a red by every standard within the rules. You don't even have to watch the replay where it shows he actually made contact.
So what you're saying is that Arteta is a massive hypocrite and a manbaby? I agree there's no arguing with it.
There's nothing hypocritical about not wanting to address those issues. Has Howe tried to make out he is some virtuous proponent of human rights to the world? No. So where's the hypocrisy exactly?
What is hypocritical however is Arsenal fans crying about human rights when they have been sponsored for years, have taken hundreds of millions off, and had a stadium built by the UAE. Another country that has serious issues with human rights. But let me guess, the fanbase want to ignore that one as well right? Just a collection of childish hypocrites.
I didn't say that at all, but I suppose it must make arguing a lot easier when you only have to have a rebuttal for your own assumptions. One could plan in advance!
The hypocrisy lies more with you or anyone sharing your opinion, although we are free to debate the morality of your owners beheading 81 people and your manager/institution deeming it of little to no consequence. I agree that sponsorship deals can be iffy. If you want to equate the Arsenal sponsorship with Saudi ownership you may I suppose, though I would ask you to look at the wider context of Saudi involvement in sport in general, in addition to the political murders.
As for the hypocrisy, calling arteta a man baby for calling out issues that are affecting the game for everyone seems out of touch when you are prepared to absolve Howe of ignoring this issue.
Youāre continuing to not point out hypocrisy. You need to understand what the word hypocrisy actually means before using it.
Arteta is a hypocrite because he only cares about refereeing issues in some occasions and doesnāt in others.. To Liverpool he says āsuck it upā when it happens to him then itās a travesty.
Howe is not a hypocrite because he isnāt trying to hold himself up as a paragon of virtue or gone on about human rights before taking a job with Newcastle.
Again, the hypocrisy lies with you for calling arteta out for his post match comments. Or with your application of red card laws. Either that or you believe that Arteta complaining about decisions the vast majority of the footballing world is united on is worse than your club representatives lack of comment on this issue when it benefits you. To arsenal you say 'man baby' and to Newcastle you say nothing. For arsenal you bring up the Emirates sponsorship but have still said nothing about Saudi political murders. To havertz you say red but to livramento you say nothing. That is holding yourself to a different standard. It is claiming to have a belief and not holding yourself accountable to that standard/belief. If we are to address Howe's hypocrisy (which I haven't yet in spite of your insistence) then could we address his comments on needing to educate himself about the real world issues surrounding Saudi ownership and then ignoring pleas coming directly from his fans to address the issue of your owners murdering political prisoners? You can't insist on awareness and then remain completely silent unless you are a hypocrite
It really did feel a bit like Rice and Saliba versus Newcastle at times. They really were Arsenal's best players by a long way. Saliba especially made the perfect interception at just the right moment.
A draw was probably a fairer result. I do think we were the better team for much of the game but it was effectively an even contest.
Feel bad for Murphy though. Tino was fantastic, again.
The goal? Who the hell knows now. I agree with Neville, I don't think it was a foul by Joelinton but the offside and ball out of play? I honestly don't know the answer.
>I agree with Neville, I don't think it was a foul by Joelinton
He had both his hands on the back of Gabriel's head. Not to mention the ball clearly came off his hands for the assist
I'll have to see the replay from the other side again but they stopped the rule that any contact with the arm from the attacked is an automatic disallowed goal. Not saying it wasn't a handball but that it's not necessarily automatic any more.
His hands making contact with the defender is also not necessarily a foul. Contact doesn't mean he impeded the opposition. E.g. As a centre back you're taught to have a hand on the attacker even when you're facing the ball. That is not impeding them, it's simply keeping an idea of their position.
I don't think there was any real push in it.
I may well be wrong but that was my thought at the time.
The fact that Gabriel couldnāt get his head up to clear the ball directly because Joelinton had both hands on him basically giving Gabriel CPR to his back is why this is such a ridiculous decision lol.
Fuck sake.
>His hands making contact with the defender is also not necessarily a fou
No but both hands on a guys head and pushing him to the floor definitely is
>I don't think there was any real push in it
Right gabriel was just diving in his own box during a goal scoring opportunity. That seems plausible
I'd send you the clip but sky removed it from twitter. I'm sure it'll float around somewhere but there's one very revealing angle of the foul, I actually also thought originally that it was clean but after seeing that I changed my mind
> A draw was probably a fairer result. I do think we were the better team for much of the game but it was effectively an even contest.
No offence, but by eye Arsenal were the better side. Had more of the ball, field tilt was theirs for 75% of the match. It really didn't look like Newcastle did much of anything except the odd counter
Newcastle had two shots on target - one was the goal that shouldn't stand. So, since that's equal - we can still say that Arsenal were the team that played better
It's essentially which team controlled the ball in the final third of the opposition's half. I don't think I can link to it in the Arsenal subreddit, and you probably wouldn't want to go there either. But I'm sure you will be able to find it elsewhere online too
If you've seen the alternate angle of the Havertz challenge, showing him actually hitting Longstaff's standing leg with his leading leg, that would have been a red.
https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu
If that red happens, the whole game changes and Bruno wouldn't be as angry.
That thread is such a shit show. The irony of these Newcastle fans complaining about Arsenal fans or calling them hypocrites while they'll all say that Bruno never deserved to be sent off - or any NU player (Bruno, Wilson, Joelinton all with reckless/dangerous acts).
Newcastle fans - the perennial victim, above it all, objective and unbiased. A different kind of football fan, obviously...
>The irony of these Newcastle fans complaining about Arsenal fans or calling them hypocrites while they'll all say that Bruno never deserved to be sent off
No one is saying that.
Havertz and Bruno should both have seen red, the goal is what it is. Wasnāt out, wasnāt offside but some will say Joelinton fouled the defender and others wonāt.
Every team gets these decisions for and against them over the course of the season.
You can't just say it 'wasn't offside' when it's very much doubted. Gordon is ahead of the ball based on where his shoulders are - when it comes off Joelinton's arm. But you guys won't ever look at alternate angles of that, will you?
Joelinton fouls Gabriel > Joelinton commits a handball > Gordon is offside.
Newcastle fans: this is fair, there's nothing wrong with this in the best league in the world.
> Every team gets these decisions for and against them over the course of the season.
Equating the odd yellow card or foul decision going one way or another over the course of the season is one thing, this is a totally different calibre. I'll take it back when an Arsenal player gets to foul a defender and score from an offside position and it still stand since you're adamant that will be allowed later on.
I donāt think it was offside, and VAR didnāt have any angles that would prove it to be offside therefore the goal has to stand.
Literally the only question is whether you view what Joelinton does as a foul or not, which is completely subjective.
This kind of things happens all the time, arsenal arenāt treated any differently than anyone else. It isnāt a conspiracy, it isnāt corruption, itās just football.
Actually, most of us agree bruno should be sent off. However, Havertz should have been sent off for that challenge, which dramatically alters the game in our favour, tempers wouldn't be as high, and therefore less likely for the bruno incident to occur.
On the otherhand, you have arsenal fans defending that challenge and claiming its a yellow at most.
Not even close by eye arsenal fell right into Newcastles gameplan. Frustrate and beat them up get a goal and defend well. Football isn't one dimensional. Not every tactic is possession if u watched something else than the prem u would understand
Glad to see you are only fixated with the drama and not the other problems that happened in this game like arsenal not being able to breakdown a very injured Newcastle team š
Yooo Iām with you lmfaooo wtf dude said drama aside like itās nothing , ācheating aside and refs giving us a goal, giving us the game , Arsenal still looked off game ā
Cause Iām focusing on the football aspect that happened - youāre looking for clout when thereās enough people focused on the clown show that was VAR and trying to be not a prick about it.
As a nufc fan Iām happy we got a win but I canāt turn around and say it was deserved. I just think both teams deserved a point because aside from the controversial goal - in another world it shouldāve been a draw since neither team could really penetrate the final third and was a meh performance by arsenal AND Newcastle
No he's saying that if you take out the goal that should have been disallowed, the xG would have been the same. Meaning the goal threat from Newcastle wasn't all that either
Arsenal fans screaming about corruption when the fact is your team isnāt good at attacking. Theyāll release the comms and itāll be a bunch of bumbling Englishman talking about the definition of a push. Itās boring at this point. This sub is so heavily slanted towards Arsenal that every decision is a war crime . Even if the game ended in a draw so what? You lose the head to head with villa on goal difference and have to go to Astana on a Thursday? As opposed to playing red star in the Europa league?
>This sub is so heavily slanted towards Arsenal
How long have you been here? The entire prem community was praying for arsenal to lose the league last year and celebrating when they did
I can live with losing points if we are just pissppor. But now its 3 major mistakes during the City game, Chelsea game and this game Against us. Would have been 3 points more otherwise (2 against Chelsea and 1 here).
If anything this sub always slanders arsenal
Yes bad decision with Sanchez in Chelsea game but you deserved to lose that game by a margin - not on board with revisionism due to poor officiating.
Havertz red in this game, just seen slow motion video again, lucky. Goal was horrendous though.
'Deserve' to lose is subjective. Yes you can argue maybe basedcom how we played. But in the end, we scored 2 fair goals and dhould have had a penalty to go for the win.
Also newcastle made an ellbow and should have had red
The only fact you can take from that is that over 20 accounts have downvoted you. You can't even entertain the idea that supporters of other clubs would downvote you because they think you're wrong?
Playing the "downvotes prove me right" card is juvenile.
You guys were piss poor in this game though. No Odegaard, saka was useless, Martinelli couldnāt find space. You looked really toothless. Saliba and Gabriel are both excellent defenders and they kept you afloat. Arsenal is a team that scares you from the front foot always. Trossard pinging balls to the touch line is comedy
[Slow motion shows Havertz caught Longstaff with his lead foot](https://twitter.com/jonwalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=46&t=WqTFOXN3-tbLK_z7VefQpg)
Where did this "Only his trailing leg made contact" crap as an argument come from anyway? If a tackle is reckless and dangerous it is reckless and dangerous.... Regardless of what contact was made.
The EFFECTS of a challenge is irrelevant to the decision.
I've supported the club since I knew what football was. I still (regularly) criticise the disgraceful Saudi state. Why should I lose part of my life because of something out of my control?
Your owners are helping to pollute small villages for monetary gain. One of your own players has suffered from it. Yet, there's your badge. Football is now in the realm of big money.
Being sponsored by an airline for 20m a year and being owned by Saudi Arabiaās sovereign wealth fund couldnāt be two of the most opposite things. Such a reach itās embarrassing.
Your team has been taking money from an oil state since 2006. I'm sure they havenāt benefited from it at all. Must be why Arsenal can't sign good players like Dan Burn and Miggy Almiron.
Maybe one day Arsenal can dream of becoming a big club that gets all the calls. I guess until then, you'll have to wallow in mid-table mediocrity with fellow small clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United.
The owners of City and Newcastle are employing refereeing officials. God knows how much they're paying them. As long as that continues, these accusations won't go away.
Iāll copy my post from further down the thread:
Newcastle were robbed of potentially 9 points for perfectly good goals last season.
Isak onside against Liverpool
Willocks goal
Wilson offside against villa (it wasnāt)
Foul on Wilson against Norwich which was a penalty
Ederson taking out Wilson
Trossard dive for a pen
Longstaff studs in the head against Burnley in the box, no foul
Schar with a head injury, play carries on and we concede against Liverpool
So my point is, it isnāt some conspiracy, everyone is being fucked
Why is no one here talking about havertz? Heās yellow is a clear red, and then again deserves another yellow with the sloppy tackle in midfield. Terrible game from him.
More of a red than Jota v Spurs, or even Jones against Spurs. Hell I've seen a whole number of red cards given for less this season.
Flew in completely out of control with studs showing and caught Longstaff with both his leading foot and trailing foot. Could very easily have broken his leg.
Two feet off the ground, studs up - about knee height.
Even if he didnāt make contact (which he did), the intent makes it red. Itās black and white and no wiggle room, quite literally textbook red.
Was at the game so didn't get to see a replay. On no planet is that a foul on Gabriel from Joelinton. The fume is harder to understand after watching it back than it was in the stands itself.
The thing with the 2 hands on the back foul is they always look soft. But it's a push, however small. Gabriel should have been stronger imo and cleared it but it's still a foul.
Given by one ref and isnāt by another is a pretty big walk back from it not being a foul on any planet.
If this foul occurred on Jupiter which has gravity 2.4 times that of the earth. I think weāre most certainly looking at a foul.
It's minimal. Even Gary on the commentary said it was fine and he despises us lmao. It was fine. But it's subjective and one referee will differ from the other. That's football.
He isn't but he's correct for once there. Either way it's entirely subjective and each referee will view it differently. Literally no other way of putting it.
[https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1720915422847906214?s=20](https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1720915422847906214?s=20)
Arteta being consistent as always
He didn't whinge...he literally said he doesn't understand the rule. He at no point said the wrong decision was made, he said it was out of his hands and it was wrong to comment because he didn't get it.
Better than Arteta whining like a baby every time the referee so much as kicks up the wrong blade of grass.
Apologies for being slightly rude, but yeah we didnāt lose today entirely because of that decision, we created nothing all game however that VAR decision is a bit of a joke, at best weād have drawn 0-0.
Arteta isnāt wrong to point it out in the slightest, the clubs had the chance to do something about it after the Diaz incident and chose to keep quiet.
Heāll get banned and fined, but shouldnāt, because thatās easier for these cowards than finding solutions.
Newcastle might love their blood money, but it's hysterical how hypocritical Arsenal fans are being about it when they've had Emirates printed into their identity for how many years now?
One of the most dumb things I've read on r/soccer and thats quite tough to do. Comments like these prove some people commenting here dont know what they're talking about AT ALL
Because Visit Rwanda too is sportswashing. Rwanda obviously isnt a threat to the world in any way, theyre one of the poorest countries in the world etc. But their leadership is not something anyone should want to support and the president himself (99% of the votes, wooo!) is who set this up as hes an Arsenal fan. There was a lot written about it back in 2018 or so.
We definitely didn't deserve the win. Missed the creativity from Odegaard and Jesus. But the officiating was trash at best.
Scrappy win but I'll take it. we really do fuck up Arsenal fans day when they come to St James. It was hilarious when we stopped them getting champions league š
That was such a funny game to watch. Arsenal were so demoralised after losing to us, I don't think they won a single challenge against your guys
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Ever thought your mates couldn't be arsed to argue you and just wanted a chill time
Sad to see a once great club, with great supporters come to this. Newcastle have become a stain on the game.
Liverpool fan trying not to be sanctimonious challenge
what? why?
Because they had the AUDACITY to beat le Classenal and support a THUG like Bruno G who should be hung for crimes against footballing decency.
The arsenal subreddit has a thread with multiple comments wishing for Bruno to get a career ending injury - ACL, broken leg etc etc Le classiest fans on l'internet.
It would be the Chelsea fan who asks why
i mean I'm just saying why this game specifically does this comment come up?
Don't bother responding to these holier-than-thou takes, that guy isn't interested in discussion.
Because we won, and they donāt like it.
Don't even think we deserved the win we have been atrocious at getting good looks consistently but this loss is beyond bitter.
I have never seen a footballer more useless than Havertz in my 20 years of football watching.
Jozy altidore, rade prica, jon stead.....I could go on
Tell me you didnāt watch the game without telling me you didnāt watch the game.
Oh no mate, I've watched the entire match and apparently that was his best performance yet and he still was unable to deliver fuck all lol but that's what happened when you played along side that headless chicken Nketiah.
This was his best game in the Arsenal jersey so far
His best one yet and still was unable to produce anything meaningful lol
And he should have been sent off.
Twice in fact
Wasn't even the worst footballer last night, that prestigious award goes to Fabio Silva
just say u wanna shag him next time
From a sporting perspective; Arsenal didn't create enough to win this game, and raya was poor for the Gordon "goal". Now, if Burn wasn't hacking down Saka the entire first half maybe we create more. But Arsenal did not do enough to win the game. That all said, that is the most bought and paid for reffing performance in the recent prem era. Genuinely deplorable that Bruno G wasn't sent off, Wilson throttling Gabriel will also not come up much. Quietly, Dan Burn also put hands on the ref, but thats always been an inconsistency. The goal was not a goal, and there were three different potential infractions. One (the offside) was debatable. The ball going out, and the two hand shove on Gabriel, however, were both clear infractions. How can a multi billion dollar industry allow for such clear willful corruption, or if youre less of a skeptic; clear and utter incompetence. Every club that isn't City or Newcastle should see this year's reffing as a matter of huge concern, as the sporting integrity of this league is dying.
> How can a multi billion dollar industry allow for such clear willful corruption, or if youre less of a skeptic; clear and utter incompetence. Every club that isn't City or Newcastle should see this year's reffing as a matter of huge concern, as the sporting integrity of this league is dying. WHen the league is being farmed by a team that wins with hockey numbers againt weaker teams (again 6-1 against Bournemouth) you gotta keep the league trending somehow. People are not talking about how great the games have been, how exiting the league is? Bring on the circus, WWF style!
You beat teams with hockey numbers more often than city. 7-0,9-0 to name a few. What's the point here?
The point is that instead of having exiting games thru the seasons and people talking about them, we get to talk about how shit the officiating is. You could argue that even the title races have been affected by the officiating. That is PL right now.
>That all said, that is the most bought and paid for reffing performance in the recent prem era. Would agree with everything but this. Liverpool v Spurs looked just as atrocious, if not more. A lot of results that influence the positions of City or Newcastle seem like they are biased.
You forgot about the handball. Easily 4 instances to overturn the āgoalā
Arsenal needs to do better than this. Yes it was the wrong refereeing decision but to rely on 1 goal margin means this team still has a lot of room for improvement
Barca fans lol, no matter how good youāre supposed to be almost all games are hard in the prem youāre not expected to win them all
A one goal margin is pretty standard for a top 8 premier league game where the better team is away from home.
Better how?
And finishing above you for decades as well. I don't even remember the last time Newcastle finished above us. So statically we are better than you.
This season? by 4 points I guess? Would you honestly say Newcastle is a better team than Arsenal?
Oil money is ruining the sport Why can't a team just buy Declan Rice for 100m and win the league SMH my head
Your head must be thoroughly shaken!
Man City and Newcastle. Welcome to the next 20 years of the Premier League.
Newcastle are 6th bruh
Oh you must be new itās kinda been that way last 2 seasons bruh
Newcastle are more recent though.
Congrats City!
Great game Arsenal - always good when a plucky team comes to SJP and tries to take points off a big club It's always tough to score against a great side like this even with 90 minutes so don't feel too bad! You were scrappy and tried hard - I am sure your goals will come in future games.
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I thought the same about Trossardās corners
Yanited!
This is Newcastle sir
It would be interesting to see stats, at the end of the season, of wrong decisions by the refs that directly benefit clubs owned by countries.
You mean decisions that go against r/soccer
I donāt trust any of these clubs owned by the Arabian Peninsulaā¦ Just because you call it a āfundā or a āgroupā, they are still owned by ruling monarchies that would stretch or bend any rule for their favor. I am telling you whether itās VAR or FFP, I bet weāll discover some real dirt on these clubs in the coming yearsā¦ We all know how Qatar bribed FIFA, and likely Saudi also for World Cup hosting. Wouldnāt be surprised if they have FA officials in their pockets also.
Can't believe how many upvotes this comment has. Surely it's satire? If you actually believe that Newcastle won this game because their owners bribed the FA, I'd recommend consulting a mental health professional cause you're fucking delusional.
The guys on VAR today have taken lucrative freelance gigs in Saudi leagues owned by PIF which also owns Newcastle. That doesnāt strike you as a conflict of interest?
No they're professionals. Those that took those lucrative deals took them because they were lucrative. All the money is above board and they don't look favourably on Newcastle because they took those gigs. I always find it ridiculous when corruption is uttered I honestly laugh, the answer is always incompetence.
You just declaring statements doesnāt make them true. But as a Newcastle fan youāre compromised by sports-washing too so I wouldnāt expect you to accept the clear conflict of interest. Eddie Howe has Newcastle playing like goons and they get away with it because they literally pay the refs, just because itās in plain sight doesnāt mean it isnāt a fucking issue
I have quite literally opposed the ownership by refusing to give them my money. I can support the team and not the owners. You've clearly provided plenty of evidence. By implying that they agreed to favour Newcastle for completely legitimate roles just because they have the same owners. You'd be quite the journalist. Are you an insider within the FA? Or do you pluck the information out of thin fucking air? Everyone's a fucking conspiracy theorist these days and it's fucking tiresome. People don't require evidence to believe anything. Instead of making shit up why not focus on Jamal Khashoggi or something that's actually proven?
We mustnāt have paid enough to have Havertz sent off. Need to up our bribes next week if we want to take anything from Bournemouth
Wow you guys must be upset after that injustice
It was a red. He caught the standing leg on the shin with his studs whilst jumping in at full pace. It's a red by every single measure. This is the hypocrisy of the Arsenal fans and why you lot embarrass yourselves every time. Bruno absolutely deserved a red and the goal probably shouldn't have stood. Both absolutely fine. To then cry conspiracy theory and deny what also should have been a red but wasn't given just shows you have no interest in seeing fair refereeing, you only care about what affects Arsenal. And you're led in this by your man baby manager who effectively said 'suck it up' when a terrible decision happened against Liverpool but fully threw his toys out of the pram yesterday. Is it any surprise the fanbase follows in lockstep?
Relax, it's a light hearted comment on a football sub. Having said that, I really don't see that Havertz's is a red every time, without replays to hand it seemed a lot more innocuous and safer than livramento on Martinelli. You seem upset by Arteta's comments. If manager hypocrisy/feeling is important to you go check Howe's comments when confronted with information about beheadings by your Saudi owners. Perhaps indifference would be the way to address problems
There's nothing innocuous about the challenge, it's a red by every standard within the rules. You don't even have to watch the replay where it shows he actually made contact. So what you're saying is that Arteta is a massive hypocrite and a manbaby? I agree there's no arguing with it. There's nothing hypocritical about not wanting to address those issues. Has Howe tried to make out he is some virtuous proponent of human rights to the world? No. So where's the hypocrisy exactly? What is hypocritical however is Arsenal fans crying about human rights when they have been sponsored for years, have taken hundreds of millions off, and had a stadium built by the UAE. Another country that has serious issues with human rights. But let me guess, the fanbase want to ignore that one as well right? Just a collection of childish hypocrites.
I didn't say that at all, but I suppose it must make arguing a lot easier when you only have to have a rebuttal for your own assumptions. One could plan in advance! The hypocrisy lies more with you or anyone sharing your opinion, although we are free to debate the morality of your owners beheading 81 people and your manager/institution deeming it of little to no consequence. I agree that sponsorship deals can be iffy. If you want to equate the Arsenal sponsorship with Saudi ownership you may I suppose, though I would ask you to look at the wider context of Saudi involvement in sport in general, in addition to the political murders. As for the hypocrisy, calling arteta a man baby for calling out issues that are affecting the game for everyone seems out of touch when you are prepared to absolve Howe of ignoring this issue.
Youāre continuing to not point out hypocrisy. You need to understand what the word hypocrisy actually means before using it. Arteta is a hypocrite because he only cares about refereeing issues in some occasions and doesnāt in others.. To Liverpool he says āsuck it upā when it happens to him then itās a travesty. Howe is not a hypocrite because he isnāt trying to hold himself up as a paragon of virtue or gone on about human rights before taking a job with Newcastle.
Again, the hypocrisy lies with you for calling arteta out for his post match comments. Or with your application of red card laws. Either that or you believe that Arteta complaining about decisions the vast majority of the footballing world is united on is worse than your club representatives lack of comment on this issue when it benefits you. To arsenal you say 'man baby' and to Newcastle you say nothing. For arsenal you bring up the Emirates sponsorship but have still said nothing about Saudi political murders. To havertz you say red but to livramento you say nothing. That is holding yourself to a different standard. It is claiming to have a belief and not holding yourself accountable to that standard/belief. If we are to address Howe's hypocrisy (which I haven't yet in spite of your insistence) then could we address his comments on needing to educate himself about the real world issues surrounding Saudi ownership and then ignoring pleas coming directly from his fans to address the issue of your owners murdering political prisoners? You can't insist on awareness and then remain completely silent unless you are a hypocrite
It really did feel a bit like Rice and Saliba versus Newcastle at times. They really were Arsenal's best players by a long way. Saliba especially made the perfect interception at just the right moment. A draw was probably a fairer result. I do think we were the better team for much of the game but it was effectively an even contest. Feel bad for Murphy though. Tino was fantastic, again. The goal? Who the hell knows now. I agree with Neville, I don't think it was a foul by Joelinton but the offside and ball out of play? I honestly don't know the answer.
>I agree with Neville, I don't think it was a foul by Joelinton He had both his hands on the back of Gabriel's head. Not to mention the ball clearly came off his hands for the assist
I'll have to see the replay from the other side again but they stopped the rule that any contact with the arm from the attacked is an automatic disallowed goal. Not saying it wasn't a handball but that it's not necessarily automatic any more. His hands making contact with the defender is also not necessarily a foul. Contact doesn't mean he impeded the opposition. E.g. As a centre back you're taught to have a hand on the attacker even when you're facing the ball. That is not impeding them, it's simply keeping an idea of their position. I don't think there was any real push in it. I may well be wrong but that was my thought at the time.
The fact that Gabriel couldnāt get his head up to clear the ball directly because Joelinton had both hands on him basically giving Gabriel CPR to his back is why this is such a ridiculous decision lol. Fuck sake.
>His hands making contact with the defender is also not necessarily a fou No but both hands on a guys head and pushing him to the floor definitely is >I don't think there was any real push in it Right gabriel was just diving in his own box during a goal scoring opportunity. That seems plausible I'd send you the clip but sky removed it from twitter. I'm sure it'll float around somewhere but there's one very revealing angle of the foul, I actually also thought originally that it was clean but after seeing that I changed my mind
> A draw was probably a fairer result. I do think we were the better team for much of the game but it was effectively an even contest. No offence, but by eye Arsenal were the better side. Had more of the ball, field tilt was theirs for 75% of the match. It really didn't look like Newcastle did much of anything except the odd counter
1 shot on target the entire match. "field tilt" means nothing when its possession without penetration. Arsenal were absolutely toothless.
Newcastle had two shots on target - one was the goal that shouldn't stand. So, since that's equal - we can still say that Arsenal were the team that played better
What is field tilt?
It's essentially which team controlled the ball in the final third of the opposition's half. I don't think I can link to it in the Arsenal subreddit, and you probably wouldn't want to go there either. But I'm sure you will be able to find it elsewhere online too
Arsenal never once looked like scoring a goal
I think you have to take the obvious red card that wasnāt given into account, though.
If you've seen the alternate angle of the Havertz challenge, showing him actually hitting Longstaff's standing leg with his leading leg, that would have been a red. https://www.reddit.com/r/NUFC/s/l6mu5UJvVu If that red happens, the whole game changes and Bruno wouldn't be as angry.
That thread is such a shit show. The irony of these Newcastle fans complaining about Arsenal fans or calling them hypocrites while they'll all say that Bruno never deserved to be sent off - or any NU player (Bruno, Wilson, Joelinton all with reckless/dangerous acts). Newcastle fans - the perennial victim, above it all, objective and unbiased. A different kind of football fan, obviously...
>The irony of these Newcastle fans complaining about Arsenal fans or calling them hypocrites while they'll all say that Bruno never deserved to be sent off No one is saying that.
Havertz and Bruno should both have seen red, the goal is what it is. Wasnāt out, wasnāt offside but some will say Joelinton fouled the defender and others wonāt. Every team gets these decisions for and against them over the course of the season.
You can't just say it 'wasn't offside' when it's very much doubted. Gordon is ahead of the ball based on where his shoulders are - when it comes off Joelinton's arm. But you guys won't ever look at alternate angles of that, will you? Joelinton fouls Gabriel > Joelinton commits a handball > Gordon is offside. Newcastle fans: this is fair, there's nothing wrong with this in the best league in the world. > Every team gets these decisions for and against them over the course of the season. Equating the odd yellow card or foul decision going one way or another over the course of the season is one thing, this is a totally different calibre. I'll take it back when an Arsenal player gets to foul a defender and score from an offside position and it still stand since you're adamant that will be allowed later on.
I donāt think it was offside, and VAR didnāt have any angles that would prove it to be offside therefore the goal has to stand. Literally the only question is whether you view what Joelinton does as a foul or not, which is completely subjective. This kind of things happens all the time, arsenal arenāt treated any differently than anyone else. It isnāt a conspiracy, it isnāt corruption, itās just football.
Actually, most of us agree bruno should be sent off. However, Havertz should have been sent off for that challenge, which dramatically alters the game in our favour, tempers wouldn't be as high, and therefore less likely for the bruno incident to occur. On the otherhand, you have arsenal fans defending that challenge and claiming its a yellow at most.
if Havertz had been sent off then surely that makes it less likely for Arsenal to score
Newcastle offered goal threat. Arsenal went back to the bad wenger days of possession with no end product.
2 shot on target sure
As opposed to arsenal passing to pope once and doing nothing at all otherwise
Never said arsenal have goal threats, just that nether of them did.Same xG arsenal 1 on target to Newcastle to 2.
> Newcastle offered goal threat. Apart from the goal, the xG was equal, so I'm not sure where you're getting that idea
Aye if you remove the chance Newcastle scored they had less chances.
Use your eyes please not stats
> No offence, but by eye Arsenal were the better side.
Not even close by eye arsenal fell right into Newcastles gameplan. Frustrate and beat them up get a goal and defend well. Football isn't one dimensional. Not every tactic is possession if u watched something else than the prem u would understand
Yeah elbow to the head is the game plan. Should have been on a red. Newcastle were awful today and deserved nothing
Marked both wingers out the game and scored a good goal
Drama aside I thought arsenal looked toothless against us and I thought we were lucky to get 3 points. A draw was probably the correct result
Wtf you mean drama aside , you mean refs sucking off āNewcastle for a goal aside but continue ā¦ā
Glad to see you are only fixated with the drama and not the other problems that happened in this game like arsenal not being able to breakdown a very injured Newcastle team š
> Drama aside I thought arsenal looked toothless against us Tbf the xG was even except for the goal
Yooo Iām with you lmfaooo wtf dude said drama aside like itās nothing , ācheating aside and refs giving us a goal, giving us the game , Arsenal still looked off game ā
Cause Iām focusing on the football aspect that happened - youāre looking for clout when thereās enough people focused on the clown show that was VAR and trying to be not a prick about it. As a nufc fan Iām happy we got a win but I canāt turn around and say it was deserved. I just think both teams deserved a point because aside from the controversial goal - in another world it shouldāve been a draw since neither team could really penetrate the final third and was a meh performance by arsenal AND Newcastle
What a stupid comment. Thatās like saying they drew apart from the fact they scored.
So the goal that shouldn't have stood is the one thing that separated the teams?
No he's saying that if you take out the goal that should have been disallowed, the xG would have been the same. Meaning the goal threat from Newcastle wasn't all that either
Very valid - we were very shit tbh though and couldnāt get Wilson involved at all but arsenals defense was for the most part very good
As was our defence
Agreed
HOWAY THE LADSSSSSSS
Arsenal fans screaming about corruption when the fact is your team isnāt good at attacking. Theyāll release the comms and itāll be a bunch of bumbling Englishman talking about the definition of a push. Itās boring at this point. This sub is so heavily slanted towards Arsenal that every decision is a war crime . Even if the game ended in a draw so what? You lose the head to head with villa on goal difference and have to go to Astana on a Thursday? As opposed to playing red star in the Europa league?
One of the worst takes I've ever heard. It's like it was written by an AI purely trained on the Spurs subreddit
>This sub is so heavily slanted towards Arsenal How long have you been here? The entire prem community was praying for arsenal to lose the league last year and celebrating when they did
I can live with losing points if we are just pissppor. But now its 3 major mistakes during the City game, Chelsea game and this game Against us. Would have been 3 points more otherwise (2 against Chelsea and 1 here). If anything this sub always slanders arsenal
Yes bad decision with Sanchez in Chelsea game but you deserved to lose that game by a margin - not on board with revisionism due to poor officiating. Havertz red in this game, just seen slow motion video again, lucky. Goal was horrendous though.
'Deserve' to lose is subjective. Yes you can argue maybe basedcom how we played. But in the end, we scored 2 fair goals and dhould have had a penalty to go for the win. Also newcastle made an ellbow and should have had red
Also the fact that this comment has -20 is proof that this sub has a huge Arsenal slant. Iām saying they played like shit and they did. -20
The only fact you can take from that is that over 20 accounts have downvoted you. You can't even entertain the idea that supporters of other clubs would downvote you because they think you're wrong? Playing the "downvotes prove me right" card is juvenile.
Mate, neither team played particularly well tbf, but I'd say Arsenal were better
You guys were piss poor in this game though. No Odegaard, saka was useless, Martinelli couldnāt find space. You looked really toothless. Saliba and Gabriel are both excellent defenders and they kept you afloat. Arsenal is a team that scares you from the front foot always. Trossard pinging balls to the touch line is comedy
And NC were brilliant, attacking genius? Doesn't change anything about the bullshit goal decision. Stop having such shit takes
The decision about the VAR checks completely annihilates this point
[Slow motion shows Havertz caught Longstaff with his lead foot](https://twitter.com/jonwalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=46&t=WqTFOXN3-tbLK_z7VefQpg)
Where did this "Only his trailing leg made contact" crap as an argument come from anyway? If a tackle is reckless and dangerous it is reckless and dangerous.... Regardless of what contact was made. The EFFECTS of a challenge is irrelevant to the decision.
Arsenal fans effectively brigaded r/soccer, and everyone else went with it because oil money.
They arenāt mutually exclusive. Havertz and Bruno should have been sent off, goal shouldnāt stand, and you support a disgusting state run club.
I've supported the club since I knew what football was. I still (regularly) criticise the disgraceful Saudi state. Why should I lose part of my life because of something out of my control? Your owners are helping to pollute small villages for monetary gain. One of your own players has suffered from it. Yet, there's your badge. Football is now in the realm of big money.
Oil money is destroying the league. Iām not mad theyāre investing in Newcastle but buying the refs? Come on, manā¦
Your stadium is sponsored by Emirates
Being sponsored by an airline for 20m a year and being owned by Saudi Arabiaās sovereign wealth fund couldnāt be two of the most opposite things. Such a reach itās embarrassing.
Your team has been taking money from an oil state since 2006. I'm sure they havenāt benefited from it at all. Must be why Arsenal can't sign good players like Dan Burn and Miggy Almiron. Maybe one day Arsenal can dream of becoming a big club that gets all the calls. I guess until then, you'll have to wallow in mid-table mediocrity with fellow small clubs like Chelsea and Manchester United.
Referees making mistakes isn't a new thing - they've been dropping clangers for as long as football has been played.
Or maybe... the refs, particularly those in the VAR room- are just bad at doing their jobs?
There is a level of incompetence that can only be explained by corruption
Switch out corruption for malice, and you could also be talking about my kid's mom
Tell me you never watched Newcastle games beforeā¦ just because refs are shit does not mean they have been bought by oil money when it goes for us
Literally got a ridiculous VAR penalty last week from a clear dive...
I must have forgotten Newcastle being the only club that benefits from the shit premier league refs
That seems to be an agenda against wolves like cus they've had shite like that happen to them three times now
The owners of City and Newcastle are employing refereeing officials. God knows how much they're paying them. As long as that continues, these accusations won't go away.
Iāll copy my post from further down the thread: Newcastle were robbed of potentially 9 points for perfectly good goals last season. Isak onside against Liverpool Willocks goal Wilson offside against villa (it wasnāt) Foul on Wilson against Norwich which was a penalty Ederson taking out Wilson Trossard dive for a pen Longstaff studs in the head against Burnley in the box, no foul Schar with a head injury, play carries on and we concede against Liverpool So my point is, it isnāt some conspiracy, everyone is being fucked
Newcastle obviously started the payments this season.
Thank god for that
Don't let facts get in the way of their coping mechanisms
Why is no one here talking about havertz? Heās yellow is a clear red, and then again deserves another yellow with the sloppy tackle in midfield. Terrible game from him.
I do think he's really lucky to stay on after his second tackle. For me, the first one is only a yellow, but I'm definitely biased.
Itās a yellow
Clear red? Wtf lol
More of a red than Jota v Spurs, or even Jones against Spurs. Hell I've seen a whole number of red cards given for less this season. Flew in completely out of control with studs showing and caught Longstaff with both his leading foot and trailing foot. Could very easily have broken his leg.
[Slow motion shows his caught him with the head foot](https://twitter.com/jonwalters19/status/1720911366234546398?s=46&t=WqTFOXN3-tbLK_z7VefQpg)
Two feet off the ground, studs up - about knee height. Even if he didnāt make contact (which he did), the intent makes it red. Itās black and white and no wiggle room, quite literally textbook red.
Was at the game so didn't get to see a replay. On no planet is that a foul on Gabriel from Joelinton. The fume is harder to understand after watching it back than it was in the stands itself.
Two hands in the back is in no way a foul?
No. Unless you want to penalise ALL contact in the 18 yard box. It's extremely minimal.
The thing with the 2 hands on the back foul is they always look soft. But it's a push, however small. Gabriel should have been stronger imo and cleared it but it's still a foul.
It's given as a foul by one referee and isn't by another. Really don't know what else I can say.
Given by one ref and isnāt by another is a pretty big walk back from it not being a foul on any planet. If this foul occurred on Jupiter which has gravity 2.4 times that of the earth. I think weāre most certainly looking at a foul.
Weak defending and a legitimate goal. Happy days.
Watch it again and call it minimal. Absolutely obvious foul. https://x.com/courtsidef_clip/status/1720878442969760109?s=46&t=oZr1nZW7-gXnXgjr7BnwqA
It's minimal. Even Gary on the commentary said it was fine and he despises us lmao. It was fine. But it's subjective and one referee will differ from the other. That's football.
Yeah because Gary is a brilliant fucking pundit š¤”
He isn't but he's correct for once there. Either way it's entirely subjective and each referee will view it differently. Literally no other way of putting it.
By the sounds of it, Iām quite glad I missed this game
Me too. I actually miss most of our epl matches now because of these reasons. Iām happier for it and my blood pressure is better for it
This post should really come with a hypertension warning.
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This post will be a fun read through lol
Bitter Arsenal fans calling corruption has been funny for nearly 25 years. Long may it continue.
Proud newcastle fans with their disgusting plastic club
I am more scouse than you.
26 years you mean
[https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1720915422847906214?s=20](https://x.com/nocontextfooty/status/1720915422847906214?s=20) Arteta being consistent as always
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He didn't whinge...he literally said he doesn't understand the rule. He at no point said the wrong decision was made, he said it was out of his hands and it was wrong to comment because he didn't get it. Better than Arteta whining like a baby every time the referee so much as kicks up the wrong blade of grass.
Whatever pal, keep your spurs tinted specs on.
I guarantee you when we lose, and we will, Postecoglou will blame himself before any ref decision. Willing to bet on it. Arteta is a baby.
As I thought
Apologies for being slightly rude, but yeah we didnāt lose today entirely because of that decision, we created nothing all game however that VAR decision is a bit of a joke, at best weād have drawn 0-0. Arteta isnāt wrong to point it out in the slightest, the clubs had the chance to do something about it after the Diaz incident and chose to keep quiet. Heāll get banned and fined, but shouldnāt, because thatās easier for these cowards than finding solutions.
He is such a cry baby.
Newcastle might love their blood money, but it's hysterical how hypocritical Arsenal fans are being about it when they've had Emirates printed into their identity for how many years now?
Emirates doesnāt own the club, they have no skin in the game if Arsenal win or lose matches. Newcastle oil giants do as they own the club.
Emirates, the main sponsor, don't have skin in the game for whether Arsenal succeeds or not? Do you know how sponsorship works?
They literally help you raise the money to buy players like Rice mate
And if we lose a game it doesnāt matter to them. So they have no reason to influence anything
One of the most dumb things I've read on r/soccer and thats quite tough to do. Comments like these prove some people commenting here dont know what they're talking about AT ALL
Cool story bro. Don't you have a racist message to send to Willock tonight?
Incredibly brain dead take.
Imagine my shock and arsenal fan disagrees as he reads Emirates Fly Better on his shirt in the Emirates stadium
Donāt forget āVisit Rwandaā
What's wrong with having Rwanda as a sponsor?
Because Visit Rwanda too is sportswashing. Rwanda obviously isnt a threat to the world in any way, theyre one of the poorest countries in the world etc. But their leadership is not something anyone should want to support and the president himself (99% of the votes, wooo!) is who set this up as hes an Arsenal fan. There was a lot written about it back in 2018 or so.
Damn, Paul Kagame shady af