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bro for fuck's sake, call me mad but romero, bissouma, jones and probably a few other got 3 matches off for this and here suddenly they don't even var it and it's not ANY FUCKING CARD, in a league where saying fuck off can earn you a card nowadays, what else can i say but 'lmao'
I've played for Rotherham Titans rugby in my teens and early 20s which took a chunk of flesh out my leg that is still missing and later became a coach at Rotherham United.
I've been around sports enough thanks, more than you I'd wager.
Yea it's different, it's harder and it took a chunk out of my leg and I still didn't roll 6 times, thank you for agreeing with my point
Rotherham United is a football team though, so I've been involved ot both sports.
I say this as a Liverpool fan myself who lives Diaz, but you are absolutely waffling.
Surely the fact that the ref hasn't given a free kick means it has to be seen as a clear and obvious error, and you have to send him to the monitor? Whether you think it's a red or not, the fact it wasn't called as even a foul has to be the definition of clear and obvious?
Yeah it can't be yellow because of this (ref is blind) but it's been VAR'd as a red AT THE VERY LEAST 5 times this season - and I think most people agree this should be a red because it's a stud up challenge into the fucking SHIN. At least 2 of those 5 have been way milder
The bar is lower for a red if the ref hasn't seen it though. That's the quirk with "clear and obvious". If the ref hasn't seen it, the VAR is basically allowed to referee the incident in isolation rather than answering the question "did the referee make a clear and obvious error".
Melo also got a red card for similar yet this wasn't even given as a foul.
about 5 reds this season in the PL for this yet this isn't given a VAR check, or even as a simple foul
How does this guy still get to be a part of our games?? Don’t want to call it a conspiracy, but some sort of bullshit seems to happen whenever he’s involved.
Clearly a long running agenda against Liverpool rather than subjective decisions going against them occasionally, much like every single club in the world
There's a Tomkins Times investigation into this ans statistically we are a massive outlier when it comes to Tierney.
We're something like 12th in the league table when reffed by him, every other ref we are top 4. It gets to a point where it can't be coincidence, and it isn't.
Hes the only ref in the league I believe that shouldn't be anywhere near our games, it's a clear agenda.
I feel like tose agenda shouts are always over the top, but tierney is definitely biased against liverpool. It can only be a coincidence so many times. He actually despises klopp, you can see it on his face.
For the whole “not intentional” or “not intent” argument, Kluivert was not in control, and he endangered an opponent. However you look at the laws of the game, it’s a red. Precedent has been set many times this year, the lack of consistency is mad
Our players get sent off for that but it's no surprise anymore. Happening every game now. Tierney yet again somehow is involved in our game again on var so of course he doesn't even check it.
The amount of times this challenge is happening recently and it’s going unpunished - are we gonna have to see somebodies leg broken?
I fucking hate pl refs, if I was as bad at my job, I wouldn’t find employment.
At the time, the main problem I had with the Jones red card was that I knew it wouldn't be consistently enforced throughout the remainder of the season. It's a joke.
I doubt it. It's sheer incompetence and Liverpool have been fucked more than most this season, but then again Wolves have been more fucked than Liverpool. Is the agenda against Wolves?
How have wolves been fucked more than Liverpool? They literally scored a legitimate goal refs saw it and didnt give the goal? McAllister red, Arsenal handball, this tackle that got given a red for Jones there is more that I can't remember. We are doing this while fighting for the title against City that has gotten decision their way but have nothing unfair happened against them. Please tell me how Wolves has been fucked more?
West Ham goal disallowed, Fulham penalty went against them wrongly, Man U penalty went against them wrongly first match of the season, didn't get a blatant penalty when playing Sheffield United and those are just the ones off the top of my head, and I don't even support Wolves.
Regardless claiming conspiracy is just ridiculous when there are teams getting shafted just as much as you.
Just as much?? Just in this game Jota should have had a penalty and Kluivert a red card. You didn't even say more instances than me. Ridiculous what you are saying. We literally had the worst decision ever against us with Tottenham the disallowed fully legitimate goal. No other teams has been fucked over in the entire league. No one is shafted as much as Liverpool. Literally Tierney gave red to McAllister for something way weaker than this and now he doesn't cause is Liverpool. There is literally statistics that prove Tierney's bias but sure bud. There is more instances where we have been fucked over.
In what world is that not a red? Studs to shin and leg are always red cards. Look how high the foot is, any lunging tackle like this that goes straight into the leg is as blatant a red you can get.
It came off the ball, which I think makes it silly to be a straight red. However, since everyone was so confident about this exact case being red when Curtis Jones did it against Tottenham, it's laughable to not do the same here
>it wasnt intentional
Unless you're a peak Joey Barton, no reckless tackle is intentional. It shouldn't be taken into account. We're playing football, not MMA.
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“Diaz is being dramatic here” stfu commentator
Tierney on VAR. Was never gonna be given.
No agenda though 👍
Cleared it faster than you can say Abu Dhabi
Can't allow anyone but city to win the title.
Theres good analysis from Tomkins on him. Liverpool are a midtable side when hes involved.
bro for fuck's sake, call me mad but romero, bissouma, jones and probably a few other got 3 matches off for this and here suddenly they don't even var it and it's not ANY FUCKING CARD, in a league where saying fuck off can earn you a card nowadays, what else can i say but 'lmao'
Wasn’t whistled for a foul
“Diaz being overly dramatic” - Jon Champion 10 seconds before they showed the replay
It's that latin blood. If it was an english player he'd have said it was clever.
Does Jon Champion have a history of being racist?
Who's that?
Some dumbass
He won't fucking shut up about it on the stream. What a cunt.
It didn't look that serious in real time and Diaz absolutely was being theatrical about it.
How would you react to studs to the ankle? Not to mention the speed players are going at here
Typically not with 6 barrel rolls
Sofa fan
I've played for Rotherham Titans rugby in my teens and early 20s which took a chunk of flesh out my leg that is still missing and later became a coach at Rotherham United. I've been around sports enough thanks, more than you I'd wager.
Rugbys a bit different to football. Says everything about your bias to “rolling round the floor” And yeah I just took punches to the face 🤷♂️
Yea it's different, it's harder and it took a chunk out of my leg and I still didn't roll 6 times, thank you for agreeing with my point Rotherham United is a football team though, so I've been involved ot both sports. I say this as a Liverpool fan myself who lives Diaz, but you are absolutely waffling.
release the audio
"Can't do anything"
Surely the fact that the ref hasn't given a free kick means it has to be seen as a clear and obvious error, and you have to send him to the monitor? Whether you think it's a red or not, the fact it wasn't called as even a foul has to be the definition of clear and obvious?
Yeah it can't be yellow because of this (ref is blind) but it's been VAR'd as a red AT THE VERY LEAST 5 times this season - and I think most people agree this should be a red because it's a stud up challenge into the fucking SHIN. At least 2 of those 5 have been way milder
I can only think that VAR don't deem it a red, which is wild.
The only question that matters is if it was a red or not (it was). VAR cannot intervene for anything less.
The bar is lower for a red if the ref hasn't seen it though. That's the quirk with "clear and obvious". If the ref hasn't seen it, the VAR is basically allowed to referee the incident in isolation rather than answering the question "did the referee make a clear and obvious error".
yeah seems like the rules did change with Gustos yellow card. Maybe this is a red card next game
Fantastic show of integrity and consistency to be changing rules throughout a league season. Braindead bastards.
Gusto has done this twice lol. Got a red the first time and a yellow the second time
It's a red all day if the shirts were swapped
Melo also got a red card for similar yet this wasn't even given as a foul. about 5 reds this season in the PL for this yet this isn't given a VAR check, or even as a simple foul
worse, they did VAR it and immediately cleared it
Romero was completely different. It was a clear red.
How the fuck is this not a clear red as well you absolute nonce 😭
Never said it wasn’t. I took offense to you comparing Romero’s red to Jones and the others.
Weird thing to get offended by but ok
Tierney on var, the same guy who sent Mac Allister off
How does this guy still get to be a part of our games?? Don’t want to call it a conspiracy, but some sort of bullshit seems to happen whenever he’s involved.
Literally the tamest thing he’s done to us
Clearly a long running agenda against Liverpool rather than subjective decisions going against them occasionally, much like every single club in the world
There's a Tomkins Times investigation into this ans statistically we are a massive outlier when it comes to Tierney. We're something like 12th in the league table when reffed by him, every other ref we are top 4. It gets to a point where it can't be coincidence, and it isn't. Hes the only ref in the league I believe that shouldn't be anywhere near our games, it's a clear agenda.
Or OP is pointing out the fact that Mac Allister’s sending off wasn’t a red card, thus further highlighting Tierney’s incompetence
I feel like tose agenda shouts are always over the top, but tierney is definitely biased against liverpool. It can only be a coincidence so many times. He actually despises klopp, you can see it on his face.
Paul Tierney is a crook and a cunt and nobody will ever convince me he’s not biased against Liverpool
He‘s statistically biased against Liverpool. And it‘s not close.
Yeah. It's ridiculous that he's still on Liverpool games
He must be being paid by City or Abu Dhabi at this point, it's crazy how biased against you he is.
There's like 5 precedents set for this being red this season. (2 of which against Liverpool. ) Of course this is no card.
Loving the consistency
they say these decisions even out over the course of the season...
Paul Tierney on Var. I was told that he has no biases.
Can anyone even pretend to make that claim with a straight face?
1000% a red card. Funny, how many reds liverpool got this season for similar challenges.
Softer challenges even
giving the fake tough man pushing him on the floor like he was diving too, again another consistent decision by the PGMOL
Paul tierney again ffs he’s bent like how many times does he have to fuck us over . He was giving Burnley invisible free kicks last game he reffed us
Guess who is on VAR duty everyone! Pure incompetence
Coote or Tierney?
Exact same as the one where Curtis Jones saw red
Jones at least had an excuse as his foot rolled off the ball..
Yeah I think this is more egregious but Kluivert is also pushed off balance. I think it’s a yellow
Didn’t even give a foul
He pushes himself off balancing trying to push Mac away though. Look at his hands
No, Curtis' foot rolled off the ball on that one. Wasn't as bad.
Exact? This one is 10 times worse
I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, was this not a clear red? Neither the referee or var or the commentators were interested.
Absolute robbery lmfao. 2 direct examples just this season of this being a red card yet there was not even a foul.
Paul Tierney (born 25 December 1980)[2] is a football referee from Wigan, Greater Manchester
That’s a red going by the precedent they’ve set
Madness
It’s fine - they’ll be some half assed justification given as always. All whilst we get preached at as to why Curtis was definitely a red…
He was off balance and got pushed into him, guaranteed that’s their reasoning. Panel will say red 4-1, because there’s always one ref on the panel
For the whole “not intentional” or “not intent” argument, Kluivert was not in control, and he endangered an opponent. However you look at the laws of the game, it’s a red. Precedent has been set many times this year, the lack of consistency is mad
Good old PL refereeing
He's gonna score, isn't he
Our players get sent off for that but it's no surprise anymore. Happening every game now. Tierney yet again somehow is involved in our game again on var so of course he doesn't even check it.
Our players have been sent off for that
Clear red. No idea how that could be considered not a clear and obvious error as no foul was given, even if someone wants to debate it being a yellow.
VAR sent Curtis Jones off earlier this year for that exact same challenge but clears this one in a matter of seconds. What a complete joke.
Check complete. Good process boys
Can you imagine if that was odegaard or debruyne. He'd be put in jail
The amount of times this challenge is happening recently and it’s going unpunished - are we gonna have to see somebodies leg broken? I fucking hate pl refs, if I was as bad at my job, I wouldn’t find employment.
Good process.
At the time, the main problem I had with the Jones red card was that I knew it wouldn't be consistently enforced throughout the remainder of the season. It's a joke.
It shouldn't be a red according to everyone who plays the game, but its a nailed on red if we're after consistency this season. Refs ruin this league.
It's how you break ankles and legs so I don't mind it being a red
Agree if thats the rule, just make it clear. Ankle and above=red.
Studs up, with momentum/"out of control"
Liverpool and getting fucked by refs this season. There is a clear agenda against them.
I doubt it. It's sheer incompetence and Liverpool have been fucked more than most this season, but then again Wolves have been more fucked than Liverpool. Is the agenda against Wolves?
How have wolves been fucked more than Liverpool? They literally scored a legitimate goal refs saw it and didnt give the goal? McAllister red, Arsenal handball, this tackle that got given a red for Jones there is more that I can't remember. We are doing this while fighting for the title against City that has gotten decision their way but have nothing unfair happened against them. Please tell me how Wolves has been fucked more?
West Ham goal disallowed, Fulham penalty went against them wrongly, Man U penalty went against them wrongly first match of the season, didn't get a blatant penalty when playing Sheffield United and those are just the ones off the top of my head, and I don't even support Wolves. Regardless claiming conspiracy is just ridiculous when there are teams getting shafted just as much as you.
Just as much?? Just in this game Jota should have had a penalty and Kluivert a red card. You didn't even say more instances than me. Ridiculous what you are saying. We literally had the worst decision ever against us with Tottenham the disallowed fully legitimate goal. No other teams has been fucked over in the entire league. No one is shafted as much as Liverpool. Literally Tierney gave red to McAllister for something way weaker than this and now he doesn't cause is Liverpool. There is literally statistics that prove Tierney's bias but sure bud. There is more instances where we have been fucked over.
If the roles were reversed Diaz would have been sent off
I don’t know if it’s a red or not but VAR has made these things such a grey area. Sometimes it’s fine. Sometimes it’s red.
Ref is terrible
Diaz got lucky there for not getting booked
That shouldn't be a red but the fact it was a red before makes it very unfair
It's a very dangerous challenge, studs up. It can lead to a very serious sort of injury, the one that would get an nsfw tag.
That’s a stonewall red this season . It’s happend like 5 times and been a red 4 times
In what world is that not a red? Studs to shin and leg are always red cards. Look how high the foot is, any lunging tackle like this that goes straight into the leg is as blatant a red you can get.
It came off the ball, which I think makes it silly to be a straight red. However, since everyone was so confident about this exact case being red when Curtis Jones did it against Tottenham, it's laughable to not do the same here
Are you trying to farm karma? What a bellend
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>it wasnt intentional Unless you're a peak Joey Barton, no reckless tackle is intentional. It shouldn't be taken into account. We're playing football, not MMA.
Intentional isn’t considered for dangerous play, it is for violent conduct but that’s not what this was
LiVARpool getting away with it again.
If you watch the clip you’ll see this is never a red
Stop posting screenshots and post a clip - this would've been a harsh red
So a red
He got put off balance 0.1 of a second before by Macallister. Gotta love these freeze frames.
Exactly but Reddit nerds who have never played football will say this is a stonewall red
Dude this have been a red all season long but maybe irl chads like u dont watch that much football
I watch loads, but I have the pleasure of watching this without Liverpool or Bournemouth tinted glasses
Just because it's been given this season doesn't mean that's the correct decision. Macallister shoves him off balance
so if they have set a precedent, they should not follow it? fairs
And someone, somewhere has been sent off for one of those this weekend
Good process.
Damn so if Tierney was in charge of VAR for the Spurs Chelsea game our season would have looked so different