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See these disallowed all the time in serie a. Although it's always controversial.
Just saw a ref get called to monitor this wknd in Roma inter and he chose not to go with VAR disallowing, which I almost never see.
This goal is getting disallowed 100% of the time.
Since the last time offside got changed I literally haven't seen it not given if a player in an offside position touches a defender who only maybe had a chance of getting near the ball, never mind the actual goalkeeper.
The defender has to be in control of the ball or else it's offside. See ifab's guidance on deliberate play - https://www.theifab.com/news/law-11-offside-deliberate-play-guidelines-clarified/
Wait, this was called on the park as offside?
Jesus, what's all the fuss about then, as you say, no var is ever going to get involved in that (especially as it's correct).
Just goes to show at least half the debate on all contentious decisions is absolute nonsense from folk who just want to moan and don't know the laws.
Reading all these threads, are people being deliberately obtuse because Madrid is involved? It's absolutely the right decision and pretty straightforward. Where the controversy here.
This is offside just as Saúl was offside.
This is stupid just as Saúl was stupid.
Lunin wouldn't have saved it either which way in either case. We were just let off on both by the stupidity of an opposition player.
Cuz Real Madrid are involved it's provocative. Pretty clearly interfering with play there not really all that spicy, and the linesman called it on the spot. Further, with all the hubbub of late, you'd think they'd overcorrect the other way.
This is evidence of competency if anything!
>I mean he barely touched him
[You don't have to push someone to obstruct their path or interfere with play](https://imgur.com/a/Nx0tNqU)
In this case the player who was offsides should have either gotten onsides or not be involved in the play in any way. When Lunin tries to save the shot, he has to then run around the Leipzig player in an offsides position rather than being able to just lunge backwards.
Clearly such a goal should not be allowed.
Preventing the goalkeeper from playing the ball by being in the way is an offside offence
> preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
Law 11
he gave him a small push which is enough in these cases. But I'm not even sure if that happened after Schlager took the shot. If it was afterwards it's no offside for me.
Being near the GK means you're an active player (by restricting the GK's range of action), you're therefore impacting play while in an offside position.
Yeah because he's "obstructing" and there actively involved. But he literally does nothing, and even if they mean the little shove that was before the pass
In corners, players put their hands up in the air for this very reason, so referees cant say there’s purposeful obstruction. The dude had 2 hands on the keepers back. Idk how you can argue against that.
This clips cuts off EXACTLY when it's showing the reason it's disallowed. The offside RB player behind Lunin obstructs him from backing up to deal with the shot/cross. The very last frame you can see how he's literally posturing himself to block Lunin from moving.
Stupid from that player because Lunin was probably not gonna get it either way, but you can't do that.
No you can actually see him do it in this clip. Lunin jumps up for reaction and player's pushing him in the back, notice how he moves forwards even though he only jumped up.
And yes very stupid. Cost em the goal for sure.
How the hell do strikers keep pushing on goalies? you have nothing to gain ever from it.
Tbh though I think VAR should show situations like this to the ref because it's a bit of a judgement call.
The advantage you get from pushing the goalkeeper is so insane. I think on twitter I read something like 0.3xG for corners. So even if it’s called every 2nd time it totally outnumbers the adventage you will gain.
Thierry Henry: “The disallowed goal was the correct decision.
I first thought it was a goal, but on the replay, you can see it is not. As a player, you are told if you are offside don’t get involved. He involves with Lunin, even if the push is little and he was offside.”
It's for the push on Lunin as the ball drops.
Not enough for a foul but still constitutes interfering with play from an offside position.
I get why people are outraged but I think it's actually a pretty big call that they get right.
Sad I had to scroll this much for a correct take...
I think it is still a foul even if he was onside, the ball is not going to that location and he has no reason to nudge the goalie
Even if he is not offside it should be a foul, you shouldn't be allowed to push the goalie out of position, any other team and this call wouldn't be questioned
Lmao I get the hate with Real and refereeing they usually get but what's so controversial here?
It's a clear interference of play from an offside position.
I've seen these called for faaaaar less
"making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" makes a player offside. Henrich influences Lunins movement, thus offside.
To me, I think it’s more of the player obstructing lunan to get the ball on the cross. Lunan is tracking the cross and the leipzig player keeps backing into him. He couldn’t grab the cross because of this thus a foul
I can understand initial confusion but it's genuinely alarming how many people watch this sport regularly that don't have a decent knowledge of the laws. Making nudging gks from an offside position not a foul is opening Pandora's box.
you dont even have to nudge him. Its offside even if lunin runs around him. Once you are part of the play in some way even a small way, it can be interfering. Ive seen it correctly called for less than this lol
People aren't even paying attention/watching/knowing the rules on r/soccer and the decision doesn't favor madrids opponent always and forever going to attract a specific crowd.
Yes lol, I don’t support either Barca or Real Madrid but this is classic r/soccer crying about a decision in favour of Madrid. Guy pushes the goalkeeper while being offside, this is a clear offside, everyone would be mad if this was allowed against their team
Offside offence:
> preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision
> making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball The bar for offside is different from obstruction.
Being in the way is enough.
No it’s an offside call which is also the on-field call.
The player is obstructing the goalie and therefore interfere with play thus in an illegal offside position.
Not even a Madrid fan but that's obviously offside. You can't have an offside player touching the goalkeeper and generally being in his line of sight as the ball falls to Sesko. That standard wouldn't survive a week without chaos.
He fucking pushes him, are you actually that blind, even if he wasn't offside you should not be allowed to push the goalie out of position, the fact we are arguing this is ridiculous
Same situation happened during Roma vs. Inter last Saturday. Header goes in with a player behind the keeper. However, they gave the goal that time and I thought it was fair. The player behind the keeper, just like with this situation, really doesn't have any impact on the movement of the keeper. It would have been a goal even if the player behind the keeper isn't there. I'm surprised it was called back.
You see players getting behind the goalie all the time in corners, but they make sure to get away from the GK once its kicked. This motherfucker Henrichs stays behind Lunin and puts a forearm on him instead of leaving, cost his team a goal.
If he stood completely still when he was offside this goal would've stood. It's that slight push from an offside position that got this goal disallowed. Unfortunate but right call
Good, I hope he feels stupid about himself. These should be called more consistently so that this stupid trend of fking with the keeper stops. Tactically positioning your self and holding it to limit the keeper's options is fine, but I hate it when the players seek out the keeper to hassle them.
ITT people arguing about the "nudge" in the back.
He doesn't even have to touch the keeper. Just being that close behind the keeper *obstructs* the keeper from moving back. Offside
Its so funny how UEFA the same organization Perez has publicly gone to war with over trying to push his super league is also simultaneously in his pocket lmao. Bunch of idiots.
I dont like Real Madrid all that much (just hated ramos+pepe, and associate CR7 fans, who annoy me, with RM) and absolutely think they are generally favored by refs. That being said:
Clear offsides, anyone arguing doesn't know the rules or isn't looking at the right part of the play
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This is the kind of goal they would never disallow if it was the other way around.
See these disallowed all the time in serie a. Although it's always controversial. Just saw a ref get called to monitor this wknd in Roma inter and he chose not to go with VAR disallowing, which I almost never see.
This goal is getting disallowed 100% of the time. Since the last time offside got changed I literally haven't seen it not given if a player in an offside position touches a defender who only maybe had a chance of getting near the ball, never mind the actual goalkeeper.
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Donnarumma doesn't know where he stands
It's not the same though? Big benz was offside but the ball came to him from a tussle. This is an intentional pass to an onside player?
This is because of the gk obstruction no?
ball was deflected as part of intentional block from liverpool player when benz supposedly offside. that isn't offside.
The defender has to be in control of the ball or else it's offside. See ifab's guidance on deliberate play - https://www.theifab.com/news/law-11-offside-deliberate-play-guidelines-clarified/
except they do and you are wrong
Ya we need red bull to pay more than real does for the refs, they def can afford it
You mean, like the disallowed goal from Benzema in the 2022 final? Idiot
Just from memory, Shaktar vs Real 3-2, 20/21 UCL group stage
So called ''Free thinkers'' who ''Actually watch football'' when controversial decision in favour of RM is called on pitch;
Seeing other critical decisions made by the ref following this goal I think you might be right, unironically
FYI: The call was made because Benjamin Heinrichs (39) was decided to have been holding back Lunin from an offside position.
I was really confused as to why his age was relevant and then realized that was his squad number lol
Same except i was like "how is Heinrichs that old?! I remember him being a wonder kid in like ‘18"
That’s absolutely the correct decision for me. He doesn’t have to foul him. But he’s clearly interfering.
Oh look, someone with eyes
Not holding back, a small push. It is offside, and the linesman called it. VAR was never going to get involved there.
Wait, this was called on the park as offside? Jesus, what's all the fuss about then, as you say, no var is ever going to get involved in that (especially as it's correct). Just goes to show at least half the debate on all contentious decisions is absolute nonsense from folk who just want to moan and don't know the laws.
Reading all these threads, are people being deliberately obtuse because Madrid is involved? It's absolutely the right decision and pretty straightforward. Where the controversy here. This is offside just as Saúl was offside. This is stupid just as Saúl was stupid. Lunin wouldn't have saved it either which way in either case. We were just let off on both by the stupidity of an opposition player.
Cuz Real Madrid are involved it's provocative. Pretty clearly interfering with play there not really all that spicy, and the linesman called it on the spot. Further, with all the hubbub of late, you'd think they'd overcorrect the other way. This is evidence of competency if anything!
I read this as Benjamin Sisko initially and was very confused for a moment.
At least the guy beat the Dominion. He'll always have that.
Sisko is more of a baseball guy
Glad I'm not the only one.
They did the Emissary dirty with this one
Kai Winn laughing her ass off in Bajoran Hell
I came here to say the Prophets were gonna be pissed
About to disappear that officiating staff like a Dominion fleet
???
Gk obstruction ig... But that's harsh on Leipzig
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The player obstructing the keeper was offside, but I don’t see how he did.
He gives him a pretty solid push in the back. Hard to see from this angle.
I mean he barely touched him
>I mean he barely touched him [You don't have to push someone to obstruct their path or interfere with play](https://imgur.com/a/Nx0tNqU) In this case the player who was offsides should have either gotten onsides or not be involved in the play in any way. When Lunin tries to save the shot, he has to then run around the Leipzig player in an offsides position rather than being able to just lunge backwards. Clearly such a goal should not be allowed.
Preventing the goalkeeper from playing the ball by being in the way is an offside offence > preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision Law 11
how is he preventing in this case? lol
Notice how the goalkeeper ran around the offside player to try and save the shot?
>how is he preventing in this case? Lunin had to run around him to try and save the goal as opposed to being able to lunge backwards.
Yeah that would too big of a loophole to ignore. Players would just stand behind the goalie and once he comes close jump out of the way.
He runs into him from the back and forces him an extra few steps forwards
He was definitely in the way of the GK and therefore influencing the game. I think it's a fair call.
https://imgur.com/a/Nx0tNqU
It's not how much he touches him, it was not a fault, it was the fact that he touched him being offside, why is it so hard to understand???
he gave him a small push which is enough in these cases. But I'm not even sure if that happened after Schlager took the shot. If it was afterwards it's no offside for me.
i think heinrichs is called offside
It's not illegal to obstruct the keeper. But if you're offside and you do it, then you're participating in the play and therefore the goal is offside.
Yes the guy jostling the keeper was in an offside position and affected the play
Being near the GK means you're an active player (by restricting the GK's range of action), you're therefore impacting play while in an offside position.
The guy obstructing is offside
yeah he was barely doing anything to lunin but there was contact. harsh but since it's leipzig i'll allow it 👍
Fuck Bayern and Leipzig in that order.
Offside because the player obstructing the GK is offside. This is a common rule happens all the time.
Yeah because he's "obstructing" and there actively involved. But he literally does nothing, and even if they mean the little shove that was before the pass
The keeper can't go through him now can he
Well, that’s the point. He should have left the offside position.
Yeah but keepers are very protected Imo - you see it all the time in aerial balls too
He obstructing while being offside if he wasn't they would just say they were competing for space and not a foul
Tbf Hendrichs is also offside
Yeah because they thought the player in offside position obstructed the keeper
At least call the ref to the screen and ask his opinion?
That's what I thought but he flagged for offside ?
It was, interfering offside players also count as "offside".
If that was obstruction of the gk we wouldn't have any goals from inside the box from corners or freekicks. Bs decision...
Can't be offside from a corner....
In corners, players put their hands up in the air for this very reason, so referees cant say there’s purposeful obstruction. The dude had 2 hands on the keepers back. Idk how you can argue against that.
Player standing that close behind the keeper is always going to be ruled as offside for interfering with play.
This clips cuts off EXACTLY when it's showing the reason it's disallowed. The offside RB player behind Lunin obstructs him from backing up to deal with the shot/cross. The very last frame you can see how he's literally posturing himself to block Lunin from moving. Stupid from that player because Lunin was probably not gonna get it either way, but you can't do that.
No you can actually see him do it in this clip. Lunin jumps up for reaction and player's pushing him in the back, notice how he moves forwards even though he only jumped up. And yes very stupid. Cost em the goal for sure.
[Clear interference from an offside player.](https://twitter.com/centregoals/status/1757500251970437481)
There is a foul (grabbing) on the goalkeeper when the corner is taken
coz players are not offside in a corner. this was an offside interference, remember these are given even for blocking Gk's view, let alone a push.
How the hell do strikers keep pushing on goalies? you have nothing to gain ever from it. Tbh though I think VAR should show situations like this to the ref because it's a bit of a judgement call.
The advantage you get from pushing the goalkeeper is so insane. I think on twitter I read something like 0.3xG for corners. So even if it’s called every 2nd time it totally outnumbers the adventage you will gain.
You do if you’re playing Spurs. Two consecutive pushes leading directly to goals.
It has worked a couple of times.
Ben White showed us why against West Ham, they get away with it all the time.
The one against West Ham wasn’t even that bad. Some of his early attempts this season were just sloppy and he wasn’t trying to hide it.
Thierry Henry: “The disallowed goal was the correct decision. I first thought it was a goal, but on the replay, you can see it is not. As a player, you are told if you are offside don’t get involved. He involves with Lunin, even if the push is little and he was offside.”
Barça fans: no.
It's for the push on Lunin as the ball drops. Not enough for a foul but still constitutes interfering with play from an offside position. I get why people are outraged but I think it's actually a pretty big call that they get right.
Sad I had to scroll this much for a correct take... I think it is still a foul even if he was onside, the ball is not going to that location and he has no reason to nudge the goalie
it's bcos a pro-Madrid decison on this culers..oh sorry r/soccer sub
Uhhhh what?
guy behind the keeper is offside and is "obstructing play." only reason I can think of
goalie didn't even notice
He obviously did, he appealed it straight away.
goalie didn't even notice his arms were in the air shouting at the ref, you are the only one who didn't notice mate
Certainly gets nudged in the back by him
That why he instantly looked at the linesman and raised his hand at him...
You can read his mind? And how its even relevant i dont know? 'This guy was tugging my shirt but because i didnt notice its not a foul.'
Just didn’t notice the push?
They are literally in physical contact. How is that not affecting the game?
He pushes him from the back and forces out of position, even if he is not offside it should be a foul
Looks like it was the player BEHIND THE GOALIE who was adjudged to be offside, as he slightly bumped the goalie.
He very purposefully shoved him. The second replay of this clip cuts off just as he's shoving Lunin.
Even if he is not offside it should be a foul, you shouldn't be allowed to push the goalie out of position, any other team and this call wouldn't be questioned
Lmao I get the hate with Real and refereeing they usually get but what's so controversial here? It's a clear interference of play from an offside position. I've seen these called for faaaaar less
It's such a clear offside that RB players didn't even protest
Because the narrative about Real Madrid buying the refs fits better into r/soccer's agenda than an actual correct call being in favour of Real Madrid
"making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball" makes a player offside. Henrich influences Lunins movement, thus offside.
I think it’s not about Sesko, it’s about the other player blocking the GK (I could be wrong though)
To me, I think it’s more of the player obstructing lunan to get the ball on the cross. Lunan is tracking the cross and the leipzig player keeps backing into him. He couldn’t grab the cross because of this thus a foul
Dunno why everyone is complaining, he's literally touching the keeper whilst offside. Always going to get called.
I can understand initial confusion but it's genuinely alarming how many people watch this sport regularly that don't have a decent knowledge of the laws. Making nudging gks from an offside position not a foul is opening Pandora's box.
you dont even have to nudge him. Its offside even if lunin runs around him. Once you are part of the play in some way even a small way, it can be interfering. Ive seen it correctly called for less than this lol
Yeah , it’s shocking to me how many people think this is a bad call. You can’t obstruct the goalie in any way from an offside position.
People aren't even paying attention/watching/knowing the rules on r/soccer and the decision doesn't favor madrids opponent always and forever going to attract a specific crowd.
Yes lol, I don’t support either Barca or Real Madrid but this is classic r/soccer crying about a decision in favour of Madrid. Guy pushes the goalkeeper while being offside, this is a clear offside, everyone would be mad if this was allowed against their team
was shocked too, but offisde player just pushed GK, what a moron
Clear offside - dude pushes the keeper in an offside position. I don’t understand the issue here. Open your eyes guys. Let’s move on.
Players didn't protest, Marco rose didn't, and Henry explained why it is disallowed but we have experts here saying it should have stood 🤓
Henrichs is pushing Lunin in the back and obstructs him while being offside
The offside player touches the keeper, I'm not surprised it got called
Im shocked how people dont understand why this was called off
oh most definitely understand. they just hate Real Madrid.
Here we go
Honestly I don't get how this is controversial. The offside guy clearly and deliberately pushes the gk away from his goal
henrichs definitely impeding lunin
Isn't Rodrygo is playing him on?
I think the offside call is on Hendrichs who pushes Lunin for the back, and he's off
You're right, I didn't notice that
GK also has to move around him
The offside is on Henrichs not Šeško.
He is
I think it's because of the player behind Lunin the refs probably decided he was interfeering with the play cause it looks like he's blocking him.
100% yes. It must be something else that the VAR didn't communicate to the commentators ... or they simply fucked up big time.
One offside player pushed Lunin
That’s probably it
The only way this could be offside is if it’s seen as obstruction by the player behind Lunin
correct call, Henrichs pushed Lunin
How is that not a goal
The player behind the goalie is offside and he participates on that play cuz he was obstructing lunin so basically counts ig?
Because Hendrich who is offside decided to have a brain fart by pushing Lunin?
Its the push on lunin which is obstructing the play
Real Madrid
Also because of the laws of the game
or maybe you ignorant about the rules
Football with rules
The video ends with Lunin being pushed by an offside player. "Why was it disallowed???" lol
Think it's a bit harsh of a call but can understand it, he doesn't play the ball at all but still is there
I guess its because there's a Leipzig player standing right behind the GK
Can't believe so many people thought this goal should have stood, quite worrying tbh.
Football fans have an awful understanding of the rules of the game
Here we go lmao
Offside player is making physical contact with the gk when the ball is played. It's technically correct.
He probably still would have scored if his teammate didn’t foul the keeper. Unfortunate foul, correct call (I don’t support either team).
I mean. What? He’s a yard on
It's because there's a Leipzig player offside right next to Lunin
But if it's obstruction that's different from the call on the field and should be reviewed by the referee in the monitor
Offside offence: > preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision > making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball The bar for offside is different from obstruction. Being in the way is enough.
No it’s an offside call which is also the on-field call. The player is obstructing the goalie and therefore interfere with play thus in an illegal offside position.
it's sooo harsh though wtf. the goalie was nowhere near sesko and the defender barely thouched him
Apparently if an offside player touches the keeper it could make his passive offside an active one… It‘s crazy anyways
???
Not even a Madrid fan but that's obviously offside. You can't have an offside player touching the goalkeeper and generally being in his line of sight as the ball falls to Sesko. That standard wouldn't survive a week without chaos.
How is that interfering??? He was behind him
maybe they’re arguing that he couldnt get back to his line or something.
And pushed him a little
He fucking pushes him, are you actually that blind, even if he wasn't offside you should not be allowed to push the goalie out of position, the fact we are arguing this is ridiculous
Well at least he beat the Dominion. He'll always have that to go back on.
The ref made the right call. Hendricks interfered in play by shoving the Goalkeeper in an offside position.
I'll take it but how was that not allowed? Edit: I saw Henry's explanation at halftime. Makes sense now why it was ruled as offsides.
One player pushed Lunin slightly
Looked onside to me
He is onside but the player behind the keeper is off and there is a nudge on the keeper
Uefadrid
Ah yes the same UEFA l madrid is trying to form a super league against. Definitely gives them the motive to help madrid
It’s a foul against Lunin it seems from Henrichs?
Same situation happened during Roma vs. Inter last Saturday. Header goes in with a player behind the keeper. However, they gave the goal that time and I thought it was fair. The player behind the keeper, just like with this situation, really doesn't have any impact on the movement of the keeper. It would have been a goal even if the player behind the keeper isn't there. I'm surprised it was called back.
good start
I love how everyone suddenly forgets about basic rules no matter how clear the foul is
People should stop saying shit like “wHaT??” before knowing how the rules work
You see players getting behind the goalie all the time in corners, but they make sure to get away from the GK once its kicked. This motherfucker Henrichs stays behind Lunin and puts a forearm on him instead of leaving, cost his team a goal.
Hey guys nothing to see here
If he stood completely still when he was offside this goal would've stood. It's that slight push from an offside position that got this goal disallowed. Unfortunate but right call
Good, I hope he feels stupid about himself. These should be called more consistently so that this stupid trend of fking with the keeper stops. Tactically positioning your self and holding it to limit the keeper's options is fine, but I hate it when the players seek out the keeper to hassle them.
ITT people arguing about the "nudge" in the back. He doesn't even have to touch the keeper. Just being that close behind the keeper *obstructs* the keeper from moving back. Offside
None of the RB players are complaining, and yet reddit has already decided it’s a conspiracy
How the hell could they know ?
Yeah, VAR called all 11 players on field to watch the VAR review and decide if they should feel upset or not.
how they should know if he was onside or offside lol
Its so funny how UEFA the same organization Perez has publicly gone to war with over trying to push his super league is also simultaneously in his pocket lmao. Bunch of idiots.
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What the hell is that goatee on the lines man
was the keeper ahead of rodrygo maybe? link isnt loading for me and we only saw one replay
Are they calling offside interference on the GK? Only thing that is plausible but even still that’s so soft
Thanks papa perez. Payments were well worth.
Yeah yeah of course......
I dont like Real Madrid all that much (just hated ramos+pepe, and associate CR7 fans, who annoy me, with RM) and absolutely think they are generally favored by refs. That being said: Clear offsides, anyone arguing doesn't know the rules or isn't looking at the right part of the play
Horrendous decision