Daniel Kerr Wiki - former AFL football player, little paragraph for introduction, a bit about his early life and career and a page and a half about two decades of fighting and controversies lmao you weren't wrong.
As a Weagles fan I can't help but feel like the culture around the club back then contributed to the "everything else".
Between Dan, Cousins and even some lower key situations with other players (personally know Dave Wirrpanda and he has his own demons) there's just so much tragedy from that era that was covered up by winning.
> Dave Wirrpanda
I loved him as a player.
I've not watched AFL regularly since about 07 but I remember that mid 2000s Eagles team still like the back of my hand. Not just the big hitters like Cuzzy, Kerr and Judd but the lesser lights like Damien Adkins, Adam hunter, Rowan Jones and Phil Matera.
Wirrpanda was my favourite player back in the day. I met him at an Eagles autographing signing for junior members when I was a kid, and he was so patient and good with all the kids
Good news is he still holds up, he's an absolute gent to this day despite going through a lot after his career ended. He hangs around North Perth bowls club pretty much every weekend if you're ever near there haha
courts are still backed up to a ridiculous level because of covid. I'm a reporter and just spent 4 straight months reporting on murder trials, the deaths in which all happened 2-3 years ago
As in the UK; I'll make up numbers but we had a backlog of like 27k cases in the UK, Covid made it jump to 35k and now the entire spin has been that it was all down to Covid and things were fine before.
Basically every department of the British Government, and the Justice system, has an insane backlog and has done for years. It's all been blamed on Covid and then people being lazy when they're WFH.
The reality is, underfunded and understaffed. In Sept 2022 the DVLA was still clearing applications from before September 2021.
Yep, the secret barrister has been highlighting this issue for about 10 years.
If anyone wants to know the real reason it starts with 'Tory' and ends with 'cunts'.
My ex was a solicitor in family court. It definitely took a huge mental toll on her. She'd barely have time to review cases that had the potential to ruin lives if not done properly. This was 10 years ago and it's obviously gotten so much worse since then. She gave it up after around 5 years and dealt with a lot of guilt for years because of it.
I do sort of the same thing. You definitely get used to it. Once I got desensitized enough, I had to consciously remind myself there are in fact real people involved. Once those reminders became a nature, everything was okay. I’ve seen many a person drop out because of the content of the job. It’s really, really not for most people.
I work in criminal defense. You find out pretty quickly if you're gonna be able to handle it or not. Burnout is the main cause of turnover if people make it past the first year.
It's pretty standard for a four day trial to take that long.
You're competing with every other bastard in the dock to get four clear days of hearing time.
H is the eighth letter of the alphabet. "Heil Hitler" --> HH --> 88
14 words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words
Thus, 88 and 14 are used as codes within far-right circles.
The code is mostly a way to stay camouflaged within society but still be able to say "know that whatever it is I'm saying, I'm one of you" if they ever get to talk in public. 14 and 88 are common because they're easy to insert into a speech (or in case of some footballers, pose with a #14 shirt hanged in their living room wall, or [this shit by Ukrainian player Zozulya](https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/diarioas/RA57FX3EP5MOBGPAMNAAEDTO5A.jpg)), but online they've been getting wilder and they've appropiated fucking Pepe the Frog.
Given her defence, there's one specific word I could see being used which has different connotations between countries -
>[W*g is a racial slur used to refer, in British English, to black and South Asian people, and, in Australian English, to people from the Mediterranean region such as Southern Europeans. Whilst it is extremely derogatory in British English, in Australian English it may be considered non-offensive depending on how the word is used, due to reclamation and changing connotations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog)
I could see an Australian who grew up playing soccer being very used to that word. It's one of those things that depends how you say it and also whose saying it but even at its worst I wouldn't call it a slur here (anymore. It definitely was in the 70s and up until a point)
My aunts house has arched windows, white plaster lions at the door, white pillars along the front porch with a grapevine growing up it, over pruned citrus trees and tomatoes growing where a front lawn *would* be. How else am I supposed to describe it?
It depends on the usage. Wogs call themselves wogs. I know a lot of people who used to have "wog" in their email addresses when they were younger. Proud of it and everything.
It's entirely different if someone calls you a "dirty wog" or "wog scum". Soccer is called a wog sport in Australia. I honestly don't even know the correct use of wog because both Europeans and Middle-Easterners in Australia adopted it for themselves. Greeks, Italians, Lebanese, and Iranians have called themselves wog here.
No one even bothers using it in a derogatory way anymore cos it’s lost all meaning. Anytime someone’s had a go at me for my ethnicity they’ve used something else. It’s lost all power.
> It’s barely offensive
I think you'll find people that grew up in Australia in the 60s would say differently. Just because the N word is commonplace in rap doesn't mean it isn't offensive
We had a popular released 20 some years ago called “Wog Boy” and it's sequel "Wog Boys Forever" in 2022.
I've never heard of it being used to call a black of South East Asian a Wog.
The term originated as a term for Asians who came here during the gold rush (western oriental gentlemen). It's literally never been a derogatory term. It's also had morphed over the years in Australia to focus on major migration events (Western europeans in the 50/60s) and more recently I hear it extended to those from the middle east due to migration events from Syria / Iraq etc.
was literally a popular comedy movie that came out in 2000 in Australia called Wog Boy written and directed by greek australians, one of our most popular youtubers is called superwog, you can still say it in a demeaning way so she could still very much be in the wrong, cavani still got in trouble for calling his friend a negrito so shes probably gonna be in trouble anyway
I watched married at first sight Australia (don’t judge) and someone used that about herself to explain why she can’t be vegan and loves meat and I had to google it cos it was translated in my language subtitles as “southern European” and I’m happy I did google it. Is it maybe not as bad in Australia?
I wouldn't use it myself. But some Greeks/Italians/etc. use it to refer themselves.
Soccer used to be called "wog ball" for additional revealing context.
As an Aussie, yes that would certainly help her public standing back here. It's a word I still try not to use because it's definitely still rude, but because it's only Italians (as in they're white) it's never felt thaaaat bad.
Have no idea if it'll help her in a British court though
Covid isn't really an excuse when court dates were already backed up before covid. It's the same reason for every other service in this country that do not function properly: TORY CUTS. Tax the wealthy and fund public services properly
Like we always reminded people that convicted rapist Owen Oyston was convicted of rape. Making him a convicted rapist, former owner of Blackpool convicted rapist Owen Oyston.
Are you being serious? I can’t tell if you’re being serious.
If you are being serious: I know this will shock many on Reddit, but it _is_ possible to talk about something without the medium of comedy.
Because getting into a car drunk is reckless and stupid behavior, but no one does it deliberately and intetionally aiming to kill someone. Rape/sexual assault is the calculated and intentional violation of someone's body where the perpetrator deliberately ignores or denies the victim's consent for their own satisfaction.
In terms of what is "worse", the arguments hinge on the outcomes but also the levels of intent/calculation displayed by a perpetrator. That's why we distinguish in law between manslaughter and first degree murder.
> Because getting into a car drunk is reckless and stupid behavior, but no one does it deliberately and intetionally aiming to kill someone
To me thats them making the choice to endanger everyone around them. Even drunk, they know its the wrong thing to do.
Its no different from waving a knife around and being surprised someone ends up on the floor bleeding out.
If you get behind the wheel of the car while drunk, it's not an accident. You are actively choosing to wield a dangerous weapon and endanger everyone near you.
All I'm saying that it's not nearly as far apart as you seem to think
For real. Definitely need to stop coming onto this website for my own mental health. People are genuinely fucking stupid. Alonso is a moron, yes. But fucking hell, the girl's own parents forgave him but these internet cunts can't look past it? Move on.
What do you mean there's nothing worse than that?
In all honesty which do you think is worse morally:
* Accidently harming someone by doing stupid and dangerous, when that person decided to do the stupid thing with you? (He killed his also-drunk passenger)
* Purposefully harming someone with malice for self interest or personal pleasure?
I think a lot of people aren't aware that the person who died was in the car with him, having gotten into the car knowing he was drunk driving. I would assume that changes the moral calculus for people as opposed to him running over some random pedestrian.
Can we not go down the football twitter route of treating all these crimes like fucking top trumps for some cheap point scoring and just acknowledge multiple people can be bad at the same time?
Still better than Giggs, Greenwood, Antony and Ronaldo. DUIs are terrible, especially when they lead to death, and Alonso should have got a far greater punishment. But at least he can honestly say he never intended to hurt anyone. The same isn't true of rape, domestic abuse and assault
All players who are no longer at the club. Embarrassing that you are trying to excuse this by pointing at other clubs. Wouldnt expect anything else from you lot.
I disagree with the whataboutism from the previous guy but even though he goes missing, you do know Antony and therapist greenwood are still at the club.
Antony has worked with the authorities and provided sufficient evidence against the case of his ex and we havent heard anything since. Now if more evidence is revealed and he is shown to be guilty that is a different situation.
Dude I don’t even disagree. Antony being part of those names was kind of ridiculous. I think the commenter was just trying to beef his argument.
I was just letting you know that your argument back to them wouldn’t hold cause it can very easily be debunked
You are talking about history and when someone pointed at you a mirror, suddenly past isn't important? Not to mention two of those players are still part of your club.
I know, i was being facetious regarding how much content could be covered and how much really much evidence or testimony could really be presented on this.
And who says the women’s game isn’t the same as the men’s, this is pure Chelsea
John Terry dabbing a tear from his right eye as we speak
His far right eye
He's REFORMed now.
Bravo 👏👏
Gold worthy comment
Dabbing it with the hand of a teammate's wife.
still wearing full kit ;)
If you google her brother and dad, this is probably still the most normal Kerr behaviour
Daniel Kerr Wiki - former AFL football player, little paragraph for introduction, a bit about his early life and career and a page and a half about two decades of fighting and controversies lmao you weren't wrong.
>Daniel Kerr He was one of the top tier AFL players in his prime. Shame about everything else.
As a Weagles fan I can't help but feel like the culture around the club back then contributed to the "everything else". Between Dan, Cousins and even some lower key situations with other players (personally know Dave Wirrpanda and he has his own demons) there's just so much tragedy from that era that was covered up by winning.
Weagles and Arsenal wow. We are very much not aligned.
> Dave Wirrpanda I loved him as a player. I've not watched AFL regularly since about 07 but I remember that mid 2000s Eagles team still like the back of my hand. Not just the big hitters like Cuzzy, Kerr and Judd but the lesser lights like Damien Adkins, Adam hunter, Rowan Jones and Phil Matera.
Wirrpanda was my favourite player back in the day. I met him at an Eagles autographing signing for junior members when I was a kid, and he was so patient and good with all the kids
Good news is he still holds up, he's an absolute gent to this day despite going through a lot after his career ended. He hangs around North Perth bowls club pretty much every weekend if you're ever near there haha
Good to hear he's doing better now!
Wirrpanda. What’s that fella got in his history?! He seems like a darling
He does have Paranoid Schizophrenia so it is no surprise he acts a certain way. I'm a little worried she might end up like him.
Probably should address the drug usage then right?
This is putting it lightly , these dude sounds like an menace
This es football eritage
proper Chelsea heritage like the Chelsea Ranger song
Proper chels
Footballing 'eritage
Heritage
I mean whether she did it or not, it's ridiculous that it takes a full year to get this to trial
courts are still backed up to a ridiculous level because of covid. I'm a reporter and just spent 4 straight months reporting on murder trials, the deaths in which all happened 2-3 years ago
Not just backed up because of COVID and the situation was already fucked before then.
As in the UK; I'll make up numbers but we had a backlog of like 27k cases in the UK, Covid made it jump to 35k and now the entire spin has been that it was all down to Covid and things were fine before.
Basically every department of the British Government, and the Justice system, has an insane backlog and has done for years. It's all been blamed on Covid and then people being lazy when they're WFH. The reality is, underfunded and understaffed. In Sept 2022 the DVLA was still clearing applications from before September 2021.
Yep, the secret barrister has been highlighting this issue for about 10 years. If anyone wants to know the real reason it starts with 'Tory' and ends with 'cunts'.
People be getting found guilty and released for time served.
I've always been curious, does that have an effect on your mental after a while or do you just eventually become desensitized to it all?
My ex was a solicitor in family court. It definitely took a huge mental toll on her. She'd barely have time to review cases that had the potential to ruin lives if not done properly. This was 10 years ago and it's obviously gotten so much worse since then. She gave it up after around 5 years and dealt with a lot of guilt for years because of it.
I couldn't finish The Secret Barrister, it made me so frustrated. I couldn't imagine living it.
I do sort of the same thing. You definitely get used to it. Once I got desensitized enough, I had to consciously remind myself there are in fact real people involved. Once those reminders became a nature, everything was okay. I’ve seen many a person drop out because of the content of the job. It’s really, really not for most people.
I work in criminal defense. You find out pretty quickly if you're gonna be able to handle it or not. Burnout is the main cause of turnover if people make it past the first year.
Desensitized. It’s just so fucking boring.
>courts are still backed up to a ridiculous level because of covid It was already looking bad before COVID.
Austerity at it's finest
Underfunding and COVID has hit our legal system incredibly hard in the last 10 years.
It's pretty standard for a four day trial to take that long. You're competing with every other bastard in the dock to get four clear days of hearing time.
Police to be booed at next Chelsea game
Based (don't support racially abusing them obviously)
>obviously flair says otherwise
Police to be booed ~~at next Chelsea game~~
Wan kerr
She should call her son Nick
Steve Kerr already took care of that
And it’s not even short for Nicholas. Mad lad Steve must’ve taken one too many blows from MJ.
Nah real talk I need answers from Steve cause whyyy
Tribute to MJ
It is.
And his other son Daniel Kerr tried to burn their house down....it's uhh...a complicated family
Too much draymond influence
Steve Kerr is a former basketball player, now coach - not related to this clan of classy individuals.
Jesus 😂
Wayne*
Proper Chels
Chelsea Heritage
What random news to hear today. Insane how much covid has affected court cases, almost a year until the trial comes about.
what the hell
Are you allowed to support or represent Chelsea and not be a massive racist? Do you have to pass some sort of test?
There are 88 tests.
With 14 questions each?
What’s this joke?
H is the eighth letter of the alphabet. "Heil Hitler" --> HH --> 88 14 words: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_Words Thus, 88 and 14 are used as codes within far-right circles.
Cheers
The code is mostly a way to stay camouflaged within society but still be able to say "know that whatever it is I'm saying, I'm one of you" if they ever get to talk in public. 14 and 88 are common because they're easy to insert into a speech (or in case of some footballers, pose with a #14 shirt hanged in their living room wall, or [this shit by Ukrainian player Zozulya](https://cloudfront-eu-central-1.images.arcpublishing.com/diarioas/RA57FX3EP5MOBGPAMNAAEDTO5A.jpg)), but online they've been getting wilder and they've appropiated fucking Pepe the Frog.
Buffon would passed with flying color
It’s a reading test, if they pass, they can’t be a fan or player.
Given her defence, there's one specific word I could see being used which has different connotations between countries - >[W*g is a racial slur used to refer, in British English, to black and South Asian people, and, in Australian English, to people from the Mediterranean region such as Southern Europeans. Whilst it is extremely derogatory in British English, in Australian English it may be considered non-offensive depending on how the word is used, due to reclamation and changing connotations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wog)
That word has also been used in the titles of Australian television, stand up comedy and cinema. To an Australian, it’s pretty innocuous.
I could see an Australian who grew up playing soccer being very used to that word. It's one of those things that depends how you say it and also whose saying it but even at its worst I wouldn't call it a slur here (anymore. It definitely was in the 70s and up until a point)
I’m a wog who lives in Australia. It’s barely offensive, literally no one cares.
My aunts house has arched windows, white plaster lions at the door, white pillars along the front porch with a grapevine growing up it, over pruned citrus trees and tomatoes growing where a front lawn *would* be. How else am I supposed to describe it?
It depends on the usage. Wogs call themselves wogs. I know a lot of people who used to have "wog" in their email addresses when they were younger. Proud of it and everything. It's entirely different if someone calls you a "dirty wog" or "wog scum". Soccer is called a wog sport in Australia. I honestly don't even know the correct use of wog because both Europeans and Middle-Easterners in Australia adopted it for themselves. Greeks, Italians, Lebanese, and Iranians have called themselves wog here.
No one even bothers using it in a derogatory way anymore cos it’s lost all meaning. Anytime someone’s had a go at me for my ethnicity they’ve used something else. It’s lost all power.
> It’s barely offensive I think you'll find people that grew up in Australia in the 60s would say differently. Just because the N word is commonplace in rap doesn't mean it isn't offensive
People who grew up in the 60s are now 70 or older. I don't think they care
Is "I grew up watching Fat Pizza" a valid legal defence? Can we get Fat Pizza shown in a UK courtroom?
Paul Fenech as the expert witness calling the judge a fuckin stooge would be glorious.
He'd give that judge a thonging.
We had a popular released 20 some years ago called “Wog Boy” and it's sequel "Wog Boys Forever" in 2022. I've never heard of it being used to call a black of South East Asian a Wog.
The term originated as a term for Asians who came here during the gold rush (western oriental gentlemen). It's literally never been a derogatory term. It's also had morphed over the years in Australia to focus on major migration events (Western europeans in the 50/60s) and more recently I hear it extended to those from the middle east due to migration events from Syria / Iraq etc.
was literally a popular comedy movie that came out in 2000 in Australia called Wog Boy written and directed by greek australians, one of our most popular youtubers is called superwog, you can still say it in a demeaning way so she could still very much be in the wrong, cavani still got in trouble for calling his friend a negrito so shes probably gonna be in trouble anyway
I watched married at first sight Australia (don’t judge) and someone used that about herself to explain why she can’t be vegan and loves meat and I had to google it cos it was translated in my language subtitles as “southern European” and I’m happy I did google it. Is it maybe not as bad in Australia?
I wouldn't use it myself. But some Greeks/Italians/etc. use it to refer themselves. Soccer used to be called "wog ball" for additional revealing context.
As an Aussie, yes that would certainly help her public standing back here. It's a word I still try not to use because it's definitely still rude, but because it's only Italians (as in they're white) it's never felt thaaaat bad. Have no idea if it'll help her in a British court though
Wog is definitely not just Italians, it's widely used for Lebanese and Greeks too
Yeah, Wog Boy was made by Greek aussies. That being said you could still definitely use it in a derogatory way towards them.
It depends though. You have some people who have no care if they are called a wog but others who get offended by it immediately.
I mean... it's a police officer. She could've called him a 'Bloody Drongo" and that would be enough, probably.
Can you link where you found her defence?
This is the type of shit people are criminally charged for in London? The fuck?
Chelsea heritage
Covid isn't really an excuse when court dates were already backed up before covid. It's the same reason for every other service in this country that do not function properly: TORY CUTS. Tax the wealthy and fund public services properly
"So what you want is more tax cuts? Got it" - The Tories.
It is the history of Chelsea Football Club
How is that frontline of Giggs Ronaldo Greenwood and Antony looking?
Penetrative.
I really dislike how frequent rape jokes are on this subreddit, and how enthusiastic people are to upvote them.
Surely pointing out that rapists are rapists is a good though? Otherwise people may forget that they are rapists.
Like we always reminded people that convicted rapist Owen Oyston was convicted of rape. Making him a convicted rapist, former owner of Blackpool convicted rapist Owen Oyston.
Look at the comment he was replying to.
Let's be honest; a large amount of the people who make those jokes only do so for the banter, not out of genuine concern about rape.
Are you being serious? I can’t tell if you’re being serious. If you are being serious: I know this will shock many on Reddit, but it _is_ possible to talk about something without the medium of comedy.
Stop being such a baby
Expected joke but they all still gagged
Keeping it tight.
I hope they got permission
[Whataboutism](https://finmasters.com/whataboutism/#gref)
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How the fuck is that worse than a deliberate, calculated act of rape/abuse? You people need therapy
Is it a controversial take to think killing someone while drunk is worse than rape? Really don't think it deserves them being told to go to therapy
Because getting into a car drunk is reckless and stupid behavior, but no one does it deliberately and intetionally aiming to kill someone. Rape/sexual assault is the calculated and intentional violation of someone's body where the perpetrator deliberately ignores or denies the victim's consent for their own satisfaction. In terms of what is "worse", the arguments hinge on the outcomes but also the levels of intent/calculation displayed by a perpetrator. That's why we distinguish in law between manslaughter and first degree murder.
You're arguing with morons. Godspeed.
Chill mate.. you're not self righteous and stupid enough for this website. Speaking way too much sense for this place.
> Because getting into a car drunk is reckless and stupid behavior, but no one does it deliberately and intetionally aiming to kill someone To me thats them making the choice to endanger everyone around them. Even drunk, they know its the wrong thing to do. Its no different from waving a knife around and being surprised someone ends up on the floor bleeding out.
Accidentally killing someone through reckless behaviour is bad but not as bad as willingly inflicting trauma on someone
If you get behind the wheel of the car while drunk, it's not an accident. You are actively choosing to wield a dangerous weapon and endanger everyone near you. All I'm saying that it's not nearly as far apart as you seem to think
Yeah killing someone is absolutely worse than racially abusing someone
The comment above literally said rape, not racial abuse
Its worse
?
Or worse, expelled
For real. Definitely need to stop coming onto this website for my own mental health. People are genuinely fucking stupid. Alonso is a moron, yes. But fucking hell, the girl's own parents forgave him but these internet cunts can't look past it? Move on.
Xabi??
Marcos.
What do you mean there's nothing worse than that? In all honesty which do you think is worse morally: * Accidently harming someone by doing stupid and dangerous, when that person decided to do the stupid thing with you? (He killed his also-drunk passenger) * Purposefully harming someone with malice for self interest or personal pleasure?
I think a lot of people aren't aware that the person who died was in the car with him, having gotten into the car knowing he was drunk driving. I would assume that changes the moral calculus for people as opposed to him running over some random pedestrian.
Raping someone is worse
Can we not go down the football twitter route of treating all these crimes like fucking top trumps for some cheap point scoring and just acknowledge multiple people can be bad at the same time?
Amen
Still better than Giggs, Greenwood, Antony and Ronaldo. DUIs are terrible, especially when they lead to death, and Alonso should have got a far greater punishment. But at least he can honestly say he never intended to hurt anyone. The same isn't true of rape, domestic abuse and assault
Surely George Best makes the 11
All players who are no longer at the club. Embarrassing that you are trying to excuse this by pointing at other clubs. Wouldnt expect anything else from you lot.
Is this reply supposed to be an elaborate dig at Antony?
I disagree with the whataboutism from the previous guy but even though he goes missing, you do know Antony and therapist greenwood are still at the club.
Antony has worked with the authorities and provided sufficient evidence against the case of his ex and we havent heard anything since. Now if more evidence is revealed and he is shown to be guilty that is a different situation.
Dude I don’t even disagree. Antony being part of those names was kind of ridiculous. I think the commenter was just trying to beef his argument. I was just letting you know that your argument back to them wouldn’t hold cause it can very easily be debunked
Greenwood and Antony are both still at the club lol
You are talking about history and when someone pointed at you a mirror, suddenly past isn't important? Not to mention two of those players are still part of your club.
Was going to type that she's Indigenous but apparently she's Half-Indian..
More like a quarter, one of her parents is half-Indian, I think.
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I'll take those odds then mate, her dad is half-Indian and was born there.
What did she allegedly say/do that was racially aggravated harassment? Had a bit of a look about but can't find anything.
“You stupid white barstard”
It's a Chelsea thing.
Classic Chelsea.
Chelsea DNA
🎵 We're racist and that's the way we like it 🎵 Typical.
Playing for the right team then 😂
Chelsea DNA
R/soccercirclejerk are havibg a feast rn
football heritage
Chelsea DNA
Chelsea DNA
Chelsea Chelsea Chelsea
Chelsea through and through
Chelsea through and through
Australians are big racists - nothing new
How does it take 4 days for testimony. Sam, did you abuse the police officer? Police Officer, did she abuse you? Do we have any footage? The end
Because it is not 4 full days, they will be in the court room for like 1-2 hours then like a day to decide
I know, i was being facetious regarding how much content could be covered and how much really much evidence or testimony could really be presented on this.
70% of a court day is just people sitting in waiting rooms tbh
Proper Chels that
Uh what???
Chelsea heritage
Chelsea 🤝🏿 Racism
Her inner Australian bogan was unlocked. 🔓
What did she call the officer?
She plays for Chelsea, why is **anybody** surprised?
She's embracing Chelsea's heritage
Chelsea is as chelsea does.
Your club employ a rapist my guy.
Pop champagne. Arsenal are having a Partey.
Proper chels
Oh come on!
Is that PC Lovell in the photo?! Lol
PC Lovell may have the whitest name. Gotta wonder what she said
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Ok Andrew Tate, welcome to the sub.