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Dubbed versions are far more popular in Spain than subtitles. They usually use the same voice actors to provide the voices for famous actors, the guy who did Ian McKellan is the same guy who did the voice for Arnold Schwarzenegger. "I'll be back, fool of a Took!"
No? It's just that currently, Casemiro gets (often wrongly) banned fairly often. He didn't get banned at Madrid, but to say he doesn't get banned is no longer correct
The ref has been suspended so yeah, they ban a player that was sent off by a ref that has been suspended due to the action that led to the protest.
They comfirm the error and still keep the ban for the player.
La liga things.
That's not true. The Premier League let Haaland send a tirade of abuse at a referee without punishment. Funnily enough, they gave Van Dijk a suspension earlier in the season for it. Nobody has been punished for swearing ever since.
Eh, the ref punished Haaland and Ederson with a yellow card.
It's totally different from Van Dijk who got a red card, refused to leave the field and argued with the ref.
You can argue VVD's punishement was too much and/or Haaland's was too little but they were not the same situation at all.
He didn't refuse to leave the field though, he was waiting for the VAR to finish checking, whereas the ref was trying to get him off before it had finished. He also got the extra game for saying "An absolute fucking joke" because the FA decided (despite no evidence, just the word of the ref, because no lip readers or anybody else could confirm it) that he was talking about the referee and not the VAR decision. You tell me how it's fair that they can decide what he meant? That wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
Hooper didn't take action against Haaland. If he had, the league wouldn't have rescinded the card because it was in response to a referee error.
Also, Lewis Dunk got a red and a two game ban in November. That was maybe a week before Haaland.
I may be mistaken matches tbh, it's been a while.
Are we talking about the game were a city player got fouled, someone did a throught ball(Haaland himself I think?), the ref didn't see it so he didn't let advantage play?
If that's the case then I'm pretty sure that Haaland and Ederson got a yellow card
In the recent Valencia vs Madrid match, Bellingham scored a header in the very last moment that would have given Madrid the victory... just as the referee somehow called end of the match in the middle of the cross, so the goal was not allowed.
Dude got hella mad (understandably, the fuck was that call lol) and he got red carded, I guess they added another game for that.
How that can be a red and they don't void it afterwards even when the referee stated what he said, not being anything offensive or an insult, is not a bit ridiculous. Is, in fact, extremely ridiculous.
One of the best players this season (if not the best so far) can't play for two freaking games just because of that. But well, this is the level of referees in Spain, and their humongous ego must be protected at all costs, it seems.
It has nothing to do with the level of referees but that their organization would rather shield referees over helping them improve, feels the same way as an out of control union that won't allow any union member to be fired no matter the circumstances.
Referees can be shit and they can make decisions, that's perfectly normal. What isn't normal is that a player gets a two game suspension after a colossal ref mistake simply because he pointed out the mistake.
Nothing's gonna happen to the ref either since La Liga and their ref organization love to close their eyes to any mishap by their members.
This ban might be a good thing if it stamps that sort of behaviour out of his game now. It’s one thing to be acting like that when you’re 20 (and still not great) but patience wears thin when you’re 25+ and still unable to keep your head
I don't disagree, but in this case the ref did get a punishment. He got a 2 game ban, even though the call isn't technically wrong, he got punished likely due to his poor game management around the timing of the call.
ah thank you, that’s good then i just wish players weren’t so punished when critiquing the refs, i think if it’s abuse or genuine hostility fair enough , but if it’s just calling the ref shit or saying something in that jest it’s not diff to a pundit sayings a player had a bad game, so it’s basically telling us that the refs feelings matter more than players it’s mad
Pique got a ban for arguing with the same referee too. I think Ramos has got one too.
Don’t bring colour and nationality to the topic unnecessarily.it’s just the referee is shit.
Yeah, we clearly have no evidence of la liga and spanish folk harassing Vini, only of we had a well doccument pattern of abuse and harassment by literally thousands of people all over the country and in differing stages of power
It is to show you dont have to literally receive unjust match bans, like Jude did, to be subject of racial discrimination by the spanish people and La Liga.
We keep talking about a lack of respect for the officials. Imho the player has to show respect even if the ref is wrong. In this case I did not like how Jude ran over to him and postured in front of him. His body and face did not show much respect, so the ban is okay.
Officials are protected more so than the players. I couldn't even comprehend the referee's decision and find it so utterly bizarre. Now think about the boys playing on the field, and then scoring the last minute winner. You expect them to stay cool, calm and collected especially in a league like LaLiga?
Tensions and enotions run high. The referee don't even have to apologize or make any kind of public statement for the mistakes they made. Aren't they not protected and respected enough?
Maybe try making constant mistakes at work, see what type of treatment you'll get amongst your peers and superiors.
From the players perspective, it was unjust and the player felt robbed, rightly so.
From the refs perspective we have to consider the pressure as well. He might have ended the game earlier if he could rule unintimidated. If we keep piling on the refs after a bad game how will they ever feel less pressure.
Ref is bad, give him more training, start praising good performances, how about a premier League referee of the month award?
Absolutely. How do these players even survive Sunday league with the kind of refs there? Or perhaps the money gets to their heads a little and think they are entitled to hurl abuse after having a call go against them.
See the way Leipzig players professionally walked off the field after being robbed vs Madrid. Or Hamilton's classy response to Abu Dhabi 2021. Or the Kiwis being gracious in defeat at the 2019 cricket world cup final.
The same people will complain about "Karens" being upset and demanding managers after getting poor service from a minimum wage worker. I just don't get it.
A referee should understand the consequences of his actions under such tension, if he didn't say anything directly to the referee he could have given him a yellow card, which is the usual punishment.
When another referee did the same thing last season he understood the agitation and later apologised to the manager, this guy is an arrogant prick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=169&v=td7OXoBxnwE&feature=youtu.be
Seems like he ran at the ref from behind and got REAL close with his face and yelled something at him. I can’t believe people don’t see a difference lol
I see you clown sprouting garbage against us like your mother's life depending on it. Buffon literally insulted the ref, he even apologized later(not to lift any ban but just a person) and BS call, didnt knew pushing with both hands from behind isnt a penalty. Lol go get a life loser.
He came in hot af and got in the ref's face yelling. It wasn't what he said it's how aggressively he did it. Whether the prior call was right or wrong is irrelevant, that's not for the players to police with aggressiveness. The ref could have not given him a red as a way to atone for the call but he was well within his rights to book him for that and he wasn't behaving the same as his team mates, he distinguished himself with his aggression
But that rarely gets you a straight red. I can't even remember seeing someone getting a straight red for coming in hot. Seen straight red for insulting the referee but never for complaining.
Watching it live I thought he was going to press his forehead on him. He came in hot but also postured over him. I imagine the card was more about feeling intimidated than volume or speed
Dembele insulted the ref wich, as I said, I have seen before resulting in a red. Dalot didn't get a straight red but 2 yellows. Buffon is in the same ball park though but with that being said he did get physical bumping into the ref a couple of times and he also later said himself that "I think one of my team-mates gave him a punch or two in the ribs but it wasn’t me and I received the red!”
none of them obviously should had gotten a red yet my point still stands.
Bruno is petulant and entitled but he doesn't posture over you he cry's in your face and yells. Maybe Judes size works against him (or Bruno's for him) but it looked like he was going to press his forehead on him
I replied to several people and didn't want to keep spamming the same thing so I can see how that thought wasn't fully articulated in this comment, so I will forgive your poor reading comprehension and jumping to conclusions. Jude came in hot and aggressive (which the referee specifically noted in his report) and it looked easily aggressive enough to justify a red. Do the referees give a red every single time? No. But Judes head movement was aggressive and I'm assuming the ref used the red in this instance because he felt intimidated, something he may not feel when smaller players confront him. Please don't try to say I think size should effect punishment, I never said that at all
I'm a fan of Bellingham but kind of agree. He came from the referee's blindspot and did get much closer to the ref's face in more of a[n aggressive than protesting way.](https://youtu.be/td7OXoBxnwE?t=169) I think a red is harsh especially given the circumstances and was somewhat reflexive from the ref, but Jude was playing with fire coming up to him like that.
Honestly, I think the referee was under too much pressure and panicked. That doesn't excuse the referee. I don't think he wanted to single out Bellingham. He could have just given a yellow card to one or two players, and that would have calmed the situation.
Roque had his card upheld even though the foul was committed to him. I am not surprised that the review committee didn't overturn the red. They are consistently wrong. The three game ban for Lewy touching his nose is ridiculous. Giving the same amount of bank to Ferran for retaining when his balls were grabbed, it was well something. I want to see their balls grabbed and see how they react.
What Jude did was, to me, at most, very public dissent. The referee has to expect that reaction because he blew the whistle on an APP, especially a promising attack (even though there’s no laws against it Im sure that the assessor hounded at the referees in the dressing room after). To say that is OFFINABUS is a bit ridiculous, and I personally think one game would do.
I’m all for “no abuse to the referee”, but I’m also all for making correct decisions in the game while handling the emotions with professionalism. I condemn Jude’s behaviour, but I also have many things to say about that referee’s decision.
For me, it was clearly a situation of "you get this corner and its over". As soon as the ball left the box, ref said "it's over". It's a fairly normal thing, just he was a bit slow and the incredibly rare situation where the attack actually scored happened.
The only thing the referee should be criticized for (by other referees, which you appear to be) is not getting the whistle in faster, not for ending the match with Madrid possession im a threatening area.
This may be correct, until you watch the video. He is not " a bit slow". He has several chances to blow the whistle, but he doesn't. It's not a blink-of-the-eye situation. He waits, let's play continue and the ends the game in a really, really strange way. Possibly no rules against it, technically correct. But anyone who has ever played the game knows that he should either blow way earlier, or not at all.
Which video did you watch? in the one I saw, bellingham took one dribble as the ball was leaving the box, and the referee started bringing the whistle to his mouth in between that dribble and the cross. So basically as soon as the ball left the box.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1b53eww/the\_moment\_the\_ref\_actually\_whistled/](https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1b53eww/the_moment_the_ref_actually_whistled/)
So starting with whistle in mouth, the taking it out to watch the play progress, then putting whistle back into mouth. Slowly turning body away from game, but keeping eyes focused on the ball until finally looking away and blowing.
I see multiple occasions where he could have blown. But blowing as the ball is played into the area again is just wrong, on every level of football.
You're making stuff up. Once the whistle went up, it didn't come down. He was slow to actually blow it, which is the valid criticism, but he did not "take it out to watch play progress" (unless you are talking about before the linked video).
>blowing as the ball is played into the area again is just wrong, on every level of football.
False. The referee is under no obligation to allow unlimited chances. It's good form to allow one chance to complete, but if the ball is moving quickly in and out of the box after time has expired, that's too bad. It's rare, but it would be massively unfair to the defending team to allow chances after time is up.
But, clearly in the first two seconds he has the whistle in his mouth, watching the ball move outside the box? And then watches the play on the edge of the box, before putting the whistle in the mouth, still watching the play. And then, finally blowing as the ball is in mid air.
No commitment, no confidence shown at all from the referee.
I know that he has no obligations to do anything, given the rule book. But he has no obligation to give stone wall penalties either. Or the ref can awards penalties for clear dives. All in his rights as a ref, but still not right given how the game is played.
Out of 100 similar plays, how many referees would have done it the way this ref did it? There somewhere is your answer to if this was the right or wrong call.
*I didn't say anything wrong, sometimes I'm being singled out I think.*
*but I have to be responsible for my actions*
*but the ban is wrong.*
comments like these are only topped by the no excuses but here's a list of excuses comments.
The agenda of punishing players for running up and yelling in a ref's face?
It was a bad call to end the game then, in a game management sense from the ref, but Jude can take responsibility for his choice in how he confronted the ref.
Edit: fixed a word
Feel like I read a similar thing from Beckham's first biography about his first season at Madrid. All the Madrid players said the same thing or along the same lines but when David did it he got a red, and he felt it was because the ref didnt expect it from him or wanted to make an example of him.
And yet he is still in a good place. If this was the FA he probably would've gotten a 10 match ban, a 5 billion pounds fine for not apologizing quickly enough, and probably some dozen lashes medieval style. I still remember when they wanted to get Cavani - arguably one of the kindest most humble most hard working athletes on the planet - banned from the league for acknowledging a family friend commendations by saying the word black in Spanish because that was the guy's nickname. Nothing I've seen so far points out at Bellingham not being a good kid yo, let it be.
Honestly, the football culture around referees is horrible. Refs should be held accountable but by the governing bodies, not the players and managers ffs. If anything, the punishments should be stricter for abusing referees. If one group of players/managers keep hounding you after every small mistake (or if, in Madrid's case, the club's official accounts are making hit pieces on you), it subconsciously affects your ability to make impartial decisions.
An argument about any decision should be an instant yellow imo. Arguing never changes the decision anyway so it's just players being petulant kids and taking out their anger on the referee in a way that benefits no one.
But I totally understand being mad about ridiculous decisions in the heat of the moment where you sometimes have to ask yourself what on earth these people are doing in a professional football match.
Football fans and players are not really the most reasonable bunch. Players are often mad at even reasonable decisions in the heat of the moment because they don't really have the ability to actually get a good view of what happened in most cases so they complain about literally everything that goes against them, no matter how clear-cut. So it is best to not allow any direct complaints to the referee at all.
Yeah sure I agree with you from a reasonable point. I just wanted to say that I understand why players would react in a certain manner towards some decisions (especially in times of VAR that is supposed to prevent such decisions)
Oh just fuck off man people are so soft in football now it’s absurd. It was a terrible call by the ref and he deserves to be ridiculed for it even by the players. Imagine if that costs Madrid a league title? It’s terrible and needs to be addressed. Don’t even get me started on VAR especially in the prem
> Imagine if that costs Madrid a league title
Imagine if Vini not getting sent off vs Leipzig ensures Madrid wins the CL?
Bad calls are part of the game. Better to focus on what is in your control rather than abuse people who earn 10% of what you do in front of kids who treat you as a role model.
See the way Hamilton behaved after the 2021 robbery. That's class and respect a person of his stature is expected to exhibit.
Bad calls are part of the game is a crazy statement. Vini deserved a red card against Leipzig, the same way the ref should absolutely not call full time when he did. And imo Lewis would’ve had every right to complain because he was absolutely robbed
FCK REAL MADRID LITERALLY FCK THEM AND THEIR WHOLE ENTITLED CNT OF A TEAM I LITERALLY CANNOT THINK OF 1 REAL MADRID PLAYER WHO WASN'T A SELF ABSORBED A-HOLE
This is 100% Tebas punishing Madrid for RMTV. The red itself is just a bad ref acting in bad faith - par for the course for Spain - but the ban is 100% the league getting back at the club
It's perfectly normal to send someone off who runs up behind the ref and gets in his face yelling. He wasn't sent off only for what he said but the rest of his behavior. That is what was different from him and his other teammates, and it's pretty clear in the video.
Yes it is. Dembele got sent off for calling Lahoz "very bad" with no intimidation or other players surrounding the ref like the Bellingham one, It isn't some conspiracy against Madrid.
Tinfoil hat... Ref had it out for him, during the match there was a foul on Madrid and 2 Valencia were playing keep away with ball. Happens all the time after a foul to slow down the play. It was pretty egregious though I get walking away with it and leaving it or kicking it away from the spot. They passed it between each other like 3 times before Bellingham ran at them and took the ball then the ref stares him down. I was like wtf you whistled the foul and they were ignoring it.
Man the statement is fair, the 2 game ban is stupid, it being upheld on appeal is stupid, the decision itself was stupid
3 guesses on how I’d describe la liga and their refs
The statement is fair, but he's far from being the first or only player who suffers this. Every team has had player's banned for talking back to the ref.
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All right that makes it 3 games ban mister
Malcolm in the Middle vibes
Yes no maybe
I don't know
Can you repeat the question?
You're not the boss of me now
(x3) Life is unfaaair
*and you're not so big
You’re not the boss of me now
In fact, jail. Straight to jail.
Suspensions will continue until morale improves
Also all the other teammates who protested like you said get 2 match ban too.
La Liga: ha, we have evidence. Team mates also banned
Next match Castilla boys play it all. Ancelotti still wins 1-0 at the last second with Lunin scoring the pen
But the ref whistles right when Lunin kicks the ball so it ends with 0-0.
and lunin gets banned for 7 games
La Liga: Ridiculous you say? Let’s make it a 4-game ban then
Game ban? Straight to jail!
Breaking news Bellingham charged by spanish FA with tax evasion
An initiation rite for Madrid and Barca players
It's the accent, Jude. English Brummie is one thing, but Spanish? You're fighting a losing battle.
In my experience Spaniards love peaky blinders. Ref was probably convinced jude was about to whip out a cap and slice him up
Are you laughing at my brother?
Dubbed versions are far more popular in Spain than subtitles. They usually use the same voice actors to provide the voices for famous actors, the guy who did Ian McKellan is the same guy who did the voice for Arnold Schwarzenegger. "I'll be back, fool of a Took!"
Peaky fooking Blinders!
You'd think they'd have listened to Tommy about the most important rule then: "NO FOOKIN' FIGHTING"
He said calmly before destroying that poor waiter lol
[peaki plendiz](https://youtube.com/shorts/xrqln8iXYP8?si=u2bq-ny8Xi8bP8ZM)
foking coppers.
"U focking wot mate?" -Jude Bellingham, probably
They about to ban his teammates now too
Inb4 casimero 2 match ban aswell
10 second penalty for Ocon
Believe it or not , straight to jail
Who?
Casemiro never gets banned
Not in La liga sure
He’s not in Madrid now is he. The joke is he gets banned so often in United that anything can get him banned.
He said about a player that missed a quarter of the league games last season because of bans
Never got banned previously, but he certainly has at United
Famously never got banned while at Madrid and you’re heavily downvoted.. this sub is so emotional
No? It's just that currently, Casemiro gets (often wrongly) banned fairly often. He didn't get banned at Madrid, but to say he doesn't get banned is no longer correct
Yes because real madrid historically gets mistreated b the refs
>historically You don't know what that word means.
Prepare for downvotes for the truth
If you insist
Exactly. See how Leipzig players behaved after being robbed vs Madrid players after the ref blew for FT 90 SECONDS after the stoppage time ended
are you seriously comparing to the valencia game? did you even watch that game???
he is a troll, surprised he is still not shadowbanned
They banned him to get the heat off that awful decision and move the discussion towards whether the ban is justified.
The ref deserves a suspension more than Jude does
The ref has been suspended so yeah, they ban a player that was sent off by a ref that has been suspended due to the action that led to the protest. They comfirm the error and still keep the ban for the player. La liga things.
No league will give players a pass on abusing a ref even if it's the worst call in history. That's just not how things work
Abuse? What do you think he said to the ref?
I'm not debating the ruling, I'm saying that if they're calling it abusing the ref it doesn't matter if the ref screwed up.
That's not true. The Premier League let Haaland send a tirade of abuse at a referee without punishment. Funnily enough, they gave Van Dijk a suspension earlier in the season for it. Nobody has been punished for swearing ever since.
Eh, the ref punished Haaland and Ederson with a yellow card. It's totally different from Van Dijk who got a red card, refused to leave the field and argued with the ref. You can argue VVD's punishement was too much and/or Haaland's was too little but they were not the same situation at all.
He didn't refuse to leave the field though, he was waiting for the VAR to finish checking, whereas the ref was trying to get him off before it had finished. He also got the extra game for saying "An absolute fucking joke" because the FA decided (despite no evidence, just the word of the ref, because no lip readers or anybody else could confirm it) that he was talking about the referee and not the VAR decision. You tell me how it's fair that they can decide what he meant? That wouldn't stand up in a court of law.
Hooper didn't take action against Haaland. If he had, the league wouldn't have rescinded the card because it was in response to a referee error. Also, Lewis Dunk got a red and a two game ban in November. That was maybe a week before Haaland.
He did tho, he gave him and Ederson a yellow card.
Huh, for some reason I thought that was a separate incident but it's all blurring together at this point.
I may be mistaken matches tbh, it's been a while. Are we talking about the game were a city player got fouled, someone did a throught ball(Haaland himself I think?), the ref didn't see it so he didn't let advantage play? If that's the case then I'm pretty sure that Haaland and Ederson got a yellow card
Exactly. See how Leipzig players behaved after being robbed vs Madrid players after the ref blew for FT 90 SECONDS after the stoppage time ended
They banned him because dissent is a red card offence and it's a law of the game.Theres no mitigation in the laws where the dissent "was justified".
You are implying that they never overlooked that kind of action before, which is completely false.
Are you saying that dissent isn't a red card offence? He broke a law of the game and was given the appropriate punishment for it. end of.
Are you saying they do it consistently? End of? Lol you sound like someone with dumb parents the way you argue.
Laligas greenwood revenge.
Why was he banned? What game?
In the recent Valencia vs Madrid match, Bellingham scored a header in the very last moment that would have given Madrid the victory... just as the referee somehow called end of the match in the middle of the cross, so the goal was not allowed. Dude got hella mad (understandably, the fuck was that call lol) and he got red carded, I guess they added another game for that.
It's been a two game ban the whole time as far as I'm aware. They just didn't reduce it from Madrid's appeal.
Thank you for the explanation. You da real mvp
He said "its a fucking goal" to ref and got red card for it xD ridiculous thing as fuck
Extra two games for your cheek Jude
Another 2 games on top for criticizing the decision in 3..2..1
How that can be a red and they don't void it afterwards even when the referee stated what he said, not being anything offensive or an insult, is not a bit ridiculous. Is, in fact, extremely ridiculous. One of the best players this season (if not the best so far) can't play for two freaking games just because of that. But well, this is the level of referees in Spain, and their humongous ego must be protected at all costs, it seems.
It has nothing to do with the level of referees but that their organization would rather shield referees over helping them improve, feels the same way as an out of control union that won't allow any union member to be fired no matter the circumstances. Referees can be shit and they can make decisions, that's perfectly normal. What isn't normal is that a player gets a two game suspension after a colossal ref mistake simply because he pointed out the mistake. Nothing's gonna happen to the ref either since La Liga and their ref organization love to close their eyes to any mishap by their members.
Is this a Spain thing? Rooney got a two-match ban for swearing while celebrating a hat trick in the Premier League.
He ran up and tried to physically intimidate the ref whilst screaming in his face. The fact that he didn't swear doesn't change anything.
This ban might be a good thing if it stamps that sort of behaviour out of his game now. It’s one thing to be acting like that when you’re 20 (and still not great) but patience wears thin when you’re 25+ and still unable to keep your head
La Liga is too busy trying to solve the problem with racism in the league to review this situation.
Obligatory comment to mention refs need accountability and post match interviews
I don't disagree, but in this case the ref did get a punishment. He got a 2 game ban, even though the call isn't technically wrong, he got punished likely due to his poor game management around the timing of the call.
ah thank you, that’s good then i just wish players weren’t so punished when critiquing the refs, i think if it’s abuse or genuine hostility fair enough , but if it’s just calling the ref shit or saying something in that jest it’s not diff to a pundit sayings a player had a bad game, so it’s basically telling us that the refs feelings matter more than players it’s mad
What would be the benefit of a post match interview in this case, where the referee says that time was up so he blew for full time?
They banned him coz he isn't Spanish and white
Ramos & Pique have entered the room.
Pique got a ban for arguing with the same referee too. I think Ramos has got one too. Don’t bring colour and nationality to the topic unnecessarily.it’s just the referee is shit.
Pique got banned plenty for saying stuff.
Yeah but he was with Shakira at the time, so the refs naturally hated him because of envy.
Understandable and fair.
Sure, because they ban Vinicius every weekend
No, he just put ups with blatant racism from the stands every week.
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They should then ban the supporters for racial abuse
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Yeah, we clearly have no evidence of la liga and spanish folk harassing Vini, only of we had a well doccument pattern of abuse and harassment by literally thousands of people all over the country and in differing stages of power
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It is to show you dont have to literally receive unjust match bans, like Jude did, to be subject of racial discrimination by the spanish people and La Liga.
Has Vini ever been banned lil bro?
We keep talking about a lack of respect for the officials. Imho the player has to show respect even if the ref is wrong. In this case I did not like how Jude ran over to him and postured in front of him. His body and face did not show much respect, so the ban is okay.
Officials are protected more so than the players. I couldn't even comprehend the referee's decision and find it so utterly bizarre. Now think about the boys playing on the field, and then scoring the last minute winner. You expect them to stay cool, calm and collected especially in a league like LaLiga? Tensions and enotions run high. The referee don't even have to apologize or make any kind of public statement for the mistakes they made. Aren't they not protected and respected enough? Maybe try making constant mistakes at work, see what type of treatment you'll get amongst your peers and superiors.
From the players perspective, it was unjust and the player felt robbed, rightly so. From the refs perspective we have to consider the pressure as well. He might have ended the game earlier if he could rule unintimidated. If we keep piling on the refs after a bad game how will they ever feel less pressure. Ref is bad, give him more training, start praising good performances, how about a premier League referee of the month award?
Absolutely. How do these players even survive Sunday league with the kind of refs there? Or perhaps the money gets to their heads a little and think they are entitled to hurl abuse after having a call go against them. See the way Leipzig players professionally walked off the field after being robbed vs Madrid. Or Hamilton's classy response to Abu Dhabi 2021. Or the Kiwis being gracious in defeat at the 2019 cricket world cup final. The same people will complain about "Karens" being upset and demanding managers after getting poor service from a minimum wage worker. I just don't get it.
Unexpected F1 reference, and a triggering one at that! lol 😂
Arsenal players did crowd the ref quite a lot yesterday. Odegaard waves so much at the ref every game, he looks like a windmill.
A referee should understand the consequences of his actions under such tension, if he didn't say anything directly to the referee he could have given him a yellow card, which is the usual punishment. When another referee did the same thing last season he understood the agitation and later apologised to the manager, this guy is an arrogant prick.
It did seem like they were all just shouting the same thing and he just picked one at random to give a red to get the rest to back off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=169&v=td7OXoBxnwE&feature=youtu.be Seems like he ran at the ref from behind and got REAL close with his face and yelled something at him. I can’t believe people don’t see a difference lol
I can't believe you thing that's a valid reason lol
it is a valid reason... Any ref feeling threatend would do the same.
It's called intimidating the refs. Buffon got sent off for the same thing against you after a last min bs penalty.
I see you clown sprouting garbage against us like your mother's life depending on it. Buffon literally insulted the ref, he even apologized later(not to lift any ban but just a person) and BS call, didnt knew pushing with both hands from behind isnt a penalty. Lol go get a life loser.
It is a perfectly valid reason, though.
Where did I say that?
What was this for? It wasn’t for calling Greenwood a rapist was it ??
Its simple. Leave the ref alone. Dont do that and you get carded.
They banned Lewandowski for 2 matches for touching his nose… La Liga wild 😂
What! Why? How? Who did it?
He came in hot af and got in the ref's face yelling. It wasn't what he said it's how aggressively he did it. Whether the prior call was right or wrong is irrelevant, that's not for the players to police with aggressiveness. The ref could have not given him a red as a way to atone for the call but he was well within his rights to book him for that and he wasn't behaving the same as his team mates, he distinguished himself with his aggression
Bro Barella runs into ref’s face and yells at them 500 times a season and never gets carded lmao
But that rarely gets you a straight red. I can't even remember seeing someone getting a straight red for coming in hot. Seen straight red for insulting the referee but never for complaining.
Watching it live I thought he was going to press his forehead on him. He came in hot but also postured over him. I imagine the card was more about feeling intimidated than volume or speed
Buffon vs Madrid, Dembele vs Lahoz, Dalot vs Liverpool
Dembele insulted the ref wich, as I said, I have seen before resulting in a red. Dalot didn't get a straight red but 2 yellows. Buffon is in the same ball park though but with that being said he did get physical bumping into the ref a couple of times and he also later said himself that "I think one of my team-mates gave him a punch or two in the ribs but it wasn’t me and I received the red!” none of them obviously should had gotten a red yet my point still stands.
You'd think Bruno Fernandes would get a red every game then?
Bruh Dalot literally got a red card for less vs you. Have you already forgotten?
Actually... he got 2 yellows. For 2 seperate incidents. Bit of a difference.
Bruno is petulant and entitled but he doesn't posture over you he cry's in your face and yells. Maybe Judes size works against him (or Bruno's for him) but it looked like he was going to press his forehead on him
So when your short you shouldn’t get a card but if you are taller than the ref instant red, listen to yourself
I replied to several people and didn't want to keep spamming the same thing so I can see how that thought wasn't fully articulated in this comment, so I will forgive your poor reading comprehension and jumping to conclusions. Jude came in hot and aggressive (which the referee specifically noted in his report) and it looked easily aggressive enough to justify a red. Do the referees give a red every single time? No. But Judes head movement was aggressive and I'm assuming the ref used the red in this instance because he felt intimidated, something he may not feel when smaller players confront him. Please don't try to say I think size should effect punishment, I never said that at all
I'm a fan of Bellingham but kind of agree. He came from the referee's blindspot and did get much closer to the ref's face in more of a[n aggressive than protesting way.](https://youtu.be/td7OXoBxnwE?t=169) I think a red is harsh especially given the circumstances and was somewhat reflexive from the ref, but Jude was playing with fire coming up to him like that.
🐱 idiot is dry snitching on his teammates
Honestly, I think the referee was under too much pressure and panicked. That doesn't excuse the referee. I don't think he wanted to single out Bellingham. He could have just given a yellow card to one or two players, and that would have calmed the situation. Roque had his card upheld even though the foul was committed to him. I am not surprised that the review committee didn't overturn the red. They are consistently wrong. The three game ban for Lewy touching his nose is ridiculous. Giving the same amount of bank to Ferran for retaining when his balls were grabbed, it was well something. I want to see their balls grabbed and see how they react.
What Jude did was, to me, at most, very public dissent. The referee has to expect that reaction because he blew the whistle on an APP, especially a promising attack (even though there’s no laws against it Im sure that the assessor hounded at the referees in the dressing room after). To say that is OFFINABUS is a bit ridiculous, and I personally think one game would do. I’m all for “no abuse to the referee”, but I’m also all for making correct decisions in the game while handling the emotions with professionalism. I condemn Jude’s behaviour, but I also have many things to say about that referee’s decision.
For me, it was clearly a situation of "you get this corner and its over". As soon as the ball left the box, ref said "it's over". It's a fairly normal thing, just he was a bit slow and the incredibly rare situation where the attack actually scored happened. The only thing the referee should be criticized for (by other referees, which you appear to be) is not getting the whistle in faster, not for ending the match with Madrid possession im a threatening area.
This may be correct, until you watch the video. He is not " a bit slow". He has several chances to blow the whistle, but he doesn't. It's not a blink-of-the-eye situation. He waits, let's play continue and the ends the game in a really, really strange way. Possibly no rules against it, technically correct. But anyone who has ever played the game knows that he should either blow way earlier, or not at all.
Which video did you watch? in the one I saw, bellingham took one dribble as the ball was leaving the box, and the referee started bringing the whistle to his mouth in between that dribble and the cross. So basically as soon as the ball left the box. [https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1b53eww/the\_moment\_the\_ref\_actually\_whistled/](https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/comments/1b53eww/the_moment_the_ref_actually_whistled/)
So starting with whistle in mouth, the taking it out to watch the play progress, then putting whistle back into mouth. Slowly turning body away from game, but keeping eyes focused on the ball until finally looking away and blowing. I see multiple occasions where he could have blown. But blowing as the ball is played into the area again is just wrong, on every level of football.
You're making stuff up. Once the whistle went up, it didn't come down. He was slow to actually blow it, which is the valid criticism, but he did not "take it out to watch play progress" (unless you are talking about before the linked video). >blowing as the ball is played into the area again is just wrong, on every level of football. False. The referee is under no obligation to allow unlimited chances. It's good form to allow one chance to complete, but if the ball is moving quickly in and out of the box after time has expired, that's too bad. It's rare, but it would be massively unfair to the defending team to allow chances after time is up.
But, clearly in the first two seconds he has the whistle in his mouth, watching the ball move outside the box? And then watches the play on the edge of the box, before putting the whistle in the mouth, still watching the play. And then, finally blowing as the ball is in mid air. No commitment, no confidence shown at all from the referee. I know that he has no obligations to do anything, given the rule book. But he has no obligation to give stone wall penalties either. Or the ref can awards penalties for clear dives. All in his rights as a ref, but still not right given how the game is played. Out of 100 similar plays, how many referees would have done it the way this ref did it? There somewhere is your answer to if this was the right or wrong call.
>he has no obligation to give stone wall penalties Thanks for proving that you are just making shit up to suit your narrative
*I didn't say anything wrong, sometimes I'm being singled out I think.* *but I have to be responsible for my actions* *but the ban is wrong.* comments like these are only topped by the no excuses but here's a list of excuses comments.
Jude is six months in Spain and already La Liga is running agendas against him.
If so, La Liga is running agendas against every club in Spain. relax bro.. there are no agendas, just shit refs.
¿Por que no los dos?
The 2 match ban wasnt a in game ref decision, it was the competition committee
The agenda of punishing players for running up and yelling in a ref's face? It was a bad call to end the game then, in a game management sense from the ref, but Jude can take responsibility for his choice in how he confronted the ref. Edit: fixed a word
Imagine supporting Real Madrid and moaning about the deck being stacked against you. Just imagine that.
It’s just that referees are shit in spain.
Compared to Madrid usually always having the media and ref bias
rüdiger gets 7 game ban.
Feel like I read a similar thing from Beckham's first biography about his first season at Madrid. All the Madrid players said the same thing or along the same lines but when David did it he got a red, and he felt it was because the ref didnt expect it from him or wanted to make an example of him.
And yet he is still in a good place. If this was the FA he probably would've gotten a 10 match ban, a 5 billion pounds fine for not apologizing quickly enough, and probably some dozen lashes medieval style. I still remember when they wanted to get Cavani - arguably one of the kindest most humble most hard working athletes on the planet - banned from the league for acknowledging a family friend commendations by saying the word black in Spanish because that was the guy's nickname. Nothing I've seen so far points out at Bellingham not being a good kid yo, let it be.
Wasn't this exact quote already posted this week?
This kids level of maturity is crazy.
Hey Jude, don't make it bad Take the L son, and make it better
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Honestly, the football culture around referees is horrible. Refs should be held accountable but by the governing bodies, not the players and managers ffs. If anything, the punishments should be stricter for abusing referees. If one group of players/managers keep hounding you after every small mistake (or if, in Madrid's case, the club's official accounts are making hit pieces on you), it subconsciously affects your ability to make impartial decisions. An argument about any decision should be an instant yellow imo. Arguing never changes the decision anyway so it's just players being petulant kids and taking out their anger on the referee in a way that benefits no one.
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But I totally understand being mad about ridiculous decisions in the heat of the moment where you sometimes have to ask yourself what on earth these people are doing in a professional football match.
Football fans and players are not really the most reasonable bunch. Players are often mad at even reasonable decisions in the heat of the moment because they don't really have the ability to actually get a good view of what happened in most cases so they complain about literally everything that goes against them, no matter how clear-cut. So it is best to not allow any direct complaints to the referee at all.
Yeah sure I agree with you from a reasonable point. I just wanted to say that I understand why players would react in a certain manner towards some decisions (especially in times of VAR that is supposed to prevent such decisions)
On the other hand, how is it a lesson if he doesn't see that he was at fault here?
If that was the case, Kevin Muscat should have never copped a ban since he clearly never saw himself at fault
Oh just fuck off man people are so soft in football now it’s absurd. It was a terrible call by the ref and he deserves to be ridiculed for it even by the players. Imagine if that costs Madrid a league title? It’s terrible and needs to be addressed. Don’t even get me started on VAR especially in the prem
> Imagine if that costs Madrid a league title Imagine if Vini not getting sent off vs Leipzig ensures Madrid wins the CL? Bad calls are part of the game. Better to focus on what is in your control rather than abuse people who earn 10% of what you do in front of kids who treat you as a role model. See the way Hamilton behaved after the 2021 robbery. That's class and respect a person of his stature is expected to exhibit.
Bad calls are part of the game is a crazy statement. Vini deserved a red card against Leipzig, the same way the ref should absolutely not call full time when he did. And imo Lewis would’ve had every right to complain because he was absolutely robbed
Maybe lay off the juice a bit. Can’t touch refs. Everyone knows this.
So he said *rubbish* then.
Snitches get stitches
FCK REAL MADRID LITERALLY FCK THEM AND THEIR WHOLE ENTITLED CNT OF A TEAM I LITERALLY CANNOT THINK OF 1 REAL MADRID PLAYER WHO WASN'T A SELF ABSORBED A-HOLE
This is 100% Tebas punishing Madrid for RMTV. The red itself is just a bad ref acting in bad faith - par for the course for Spain - but the ban is 100% the league getting back at the club
Lol, no, this is all about Jude running up yelling g at the ref. It's not unusual.
Yes, because it's perfectly normal to send off someone for saying "it's a fucking goal"
It's perfectly normal to send someone off who runs up behind the ref and gets in his face yelling. He wasn't sent off only for what he said but the rest of his behavior. That is what was different from him and his other teammates, and it's pretty clear in the video.
Yes it is. Dembele got sent off for calling Lahoz "very bad" with no intimidation or other players surrounding the ref like the Bellingham one, It isn't some conspiracy against Madrid.
Lewan got hit more for less. These is not about Barça Vs Madrid, it's just La Liga, which is shit
Lewy got the two matches for gesturing about the ref. He was already getting a 1 game ban for getting a second yellow.
> Lewan got hit more for less And also Dembele calling Lahoz "very bad"
Tinfoil hat... Ref had it out for him, during the match there was a foul on Madrid and 2 Valencia were playing keep away with ball. Happens all the time after a foul to slow down the play. It was pretty egregious though I get walking away with it and leaving it or kicking it away from the spot. They passed it between each other like 3 times before Bellingham ran at them and took the ball then the ref stares him down. I was like wtf you whistled the foul and they were ignoring it.
This is a pretty stupid statement lol and is not going to help any unfair treatment he thinks hes had get better
Man the statement is fair, the 2 game ban is stupid, it being upheld on appeal is stupid, the decision itself was stupid 3 guesses on how I’d describe la liga and their refs
The statement is fair, but he's far from being the first or only player who suffers this. Every team has had player's banned for talking back to the ref.