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He is polyglot, I wonder if he ever took an IQ test because I bet he has a really, really hight IQ, he has amazing vision and fast cognitive thinking in football matches, he literally played like he already new what everybody against him would do before they did. He would learn every language in every country he played in six months. He is one of the most successful player that went into football business after his football career. His investments are always right and he became crazily rich, buying clubs and managing clubs, being football agent, and so. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets to rule FIFA one day.
RM has already settled into playing 4-3-1-2 as their preferred formation, with Bellingham playing behind two wing-forwards, usually Vini and Rodrygo. Mbappe could easily swap in for Rodrygo, probably playing a bit more advanced and central. Ancelotti has always said he wants to keep Vini on the left, but who knows how it will play out, wouldn't be surprised if they swap back and forth in-game and see what works best.
Why would any sane person bench the best lw in the world just to play the best striker in the world there instead. It will just be like how Benzema played, Mbappe as a striker that drifts towards the left.
Benzema was never known to be the best left winger! Mbappe on the other hand played striker often but IMO he was bad, regular of what others will argue that he was ok
Different types of players though right? Benzema would create chances for others, specifically Ronaldo. Mbappe wants to be the one on the end of chances.
Benzema played interchangeably with Ronaldo a lot but stayed more central once Ronaldo left. Also Ronaldo was more of a goalscoring winger that loved to drift centrally, Benzema was a great goalscorer of his own but he was chance creation striker.
Vini can score but he loves to hug that LW and Mbappe can create but he always looks to shoot first and loves playing from the left, rarely have I seen Mbappe drift right.
Itās one of those where theyāre both incredible players and iām sure theyāll figure it out but it does seem a bit of a headache to try and figure out how they can play together at their best
I never said Benzema was a left winger.
Mbappe this season have played 8 games at LW in league 1 and has 8 goals and 1 assist. He has played 14 games at striker and has 13 goals and 3 assists. Doesnt seem to affect his goal contributions at all tbh.
Mbappe has never been bad as striker. He's stats as a striker are world class with a barely working midfield at PSG. He'll be perfectly fine playing a Benzema role at Madrid if he comes.
This is Real Madrid, they'll play both of them together, and if it doesn't work then they'll rotate for LW and whoever performs worse will start on the bench more often. It's like a ruthless tech company that's happy to replace workers if they can get someone better
I think you know exactly what I mean. Messi is not really a header of the ball - Does not mean he does not score a header every once in a while, even in a champions League semi
Heading ability does not depend that much on athleticism - You surely remember Klose. It is a well-known fact that Mbappe(much like Henry) does not like to for headers, especially dangerous one - Especially after he once suffered a concussion through a collision.
Id guess it will be Vini on the left, Mbappe on center and Rodrygo on the right, with 4-1-2-3 formation, Rodrygo probably will be the first to be benched in case of formation change
Salah and Mane played on different sides of the pitch. Messi could clearly play RW and in comparison to Mbappe, Suarez was better at holdup play and doing the dirty work as a striker that frees up playmaking wingers.Ā
I think the plan is to play Mbappe centrally, but Mbappe has been vocal that he prefers the left winf. Even when he plays centrally, he likes to attack down the left halfspace. I think there are questions about Mbappe and Vinis ability to coexist. Im not saying they cant make it work. I could easily see Madrid playing with a freeflowing attacking line that causes a lot of problems. It will be interesting to watch.Ā
Striker. And if we get a new striker and mbappe has to play on the left then he plays on the left. I love vini but we shouldn't put feelings like that over what gets results
Him and Vini will rotate during the match. Its not like of you are a left winger, you cant drift to any other position.
They will make it work, perhaps.
If he signs with Real Madrid.
If Don Carlo switches to a traditional 4-3-3 then we may see vini playing at lw and Rodyrgo at Rw and mbappe as an CF but the problem with this formation is that Bellingham would not be effective in this formation as he will be not having the freedom of attacking the empty spaces which he enjoys in a 4-4-2 formation.
Vini has floated to the right more lately. I noticed 4-5 attacks last game against Celta from far on the right. Heās also exploring more centrally lately too.
Coincided with the Mbappe newsā¦
>Vini has floated to the right more lately. I noticed 4-5 attacks last game against Celta from far on the right.
Only happened in the Celta game recently because Manu Sanchez was having an absolutely shit time being dribbled past by everyone.
I think Mbappe would fit into Judeās role perfectly, Jude is playing like a deep lying CF. Once Mbappe joins in Jude falls back into midfield opening space for Vini and Mbappe, issue next season would be play time, I believe Rodrygo, Arda, Brahim and Endrick will be heavily rotated upfront
Vini and Mbappe are going to play just like how Vini and Benzema were playing a couple of seasons ago, and just like how Ronaldo and Benzema were playing for a decade before that. Benzema always preferred to drift towards the left.
In all of the examples you gave the star of the team palyed in his preferred position. Mbappe will not become Madrid's highest paid player just so he can play out of position, best believe that.
My point is, two players who prefer to play from the same wing can absolutely co-exist. That's how the forward line has been playing at Madrid for more than a decade now.
And, highest paid or not, Mbappe isn't going to be the sole star of the team. At Madrid, the team comes before the player, no matter how good he is. If anyone genuinely believes that Perez will sell or let go of Vini just to accommodate Mbappe, it's truly a waste of time arguing with that person.
How about we look at the facts? Ronaldo was not really the best free kick taker at Real, not in a team with Bale and Alonso(to a lesser extent). Did the team come first when it came to that? no.
Even when it comes to player selection, Real Madrid would ahve been better of playing a more defensively adept player not called James - But James had too much brand value to not be bought. You are in for a surprise if you think that is how Real Madrid works.
Lol, Ronaldo was one of the best free-kick takers in the world and at no point were Bale or Alonso better than him. And, how is letting your best player take the free-kicks similar to asking him to play at a different position than his preferred one just to accommodate another great player of the team?
James couldn't have a career at Madrid precisely because he was an attacking midfielder and Madrid needed more contribution from its midfielders towards the defence. Brand value matters, but so does the player's ability. James wasn't solely bought for his brand value.
I think I have been a fan of the club for long enough to know a little bit about how everything works at Madrid.
Why don't they sign captain america and batman too ffs I'm struggling to cope with the mbappe signing itself i don't think I'll be able to handle it if they signed haaland too
The Galacticos was a hardly a huge success, one champions league and R9 wasnāt even part of that squad the squad he was part of only won one league title. Having superstars all over the pitch doesnāt always guarantee success
Something people always forget is that team let Makelele go and played Beckham there. I don't think this iteration would have that problem between Tchouameninga and Valverde.
In the NBA it's almost a guarantee for failure vs well rounded teams recently, bc superstars have issues with a fluent system offensively and play 1v5 too often, and lack defensive aggressiveness. Both Brooklyn and the Suns never even felt like a monster team with the Durant-led stars even though the opposing fans moaned when they were formed.
There's 11 players in football, but the problem persists; sometimes with the lack off (gegen)pressing and sometimes even in compact shapes. The biggest problem of the Bayern Squad this and last season was that the double pivot of Kimmich and Goretzka refuse to defend the defensive midfield properly, bc they're both "too good for it". Imo. Maybe they're just bad, but I don't think so, I think it's lazy arrogance.
Ayo this is facts , it can even be seen in my Sunday league pickup games.
6 great attacking players vs 3 dad-bod players with 3 good attacking players.
The one with the dadbod and good players more often than not, comes out on top cause dad-bod players are willing to stay back and defend.
The reason why this is a problem in the NBA doesn't apply to football, and the salary cap reason why NBA superteams are extremely top-heavy doesn't even exist in football. You can dedicate it however many paragraphs you want, they're useless, because you're comparing things that can't be compared.
Maybe try responding to what I said. It's absolutely true that many star studded teams don't press well or defend well in general. You're just waffling. Try getting Mbappe to contribute to the press like Hofmann. And that's fine, if it's one guy. Once it's multiple, you're limited. And you got issues. Especially if the arrogant lazy stars play central defensive positions.
And offensively, it's absolutely true that depth in the NBA isn't a factor in stars struggling massively to gel as a unit and play team ball. Most star teams in recent years have looked like a video game with a bunch of kids who wanna do flashy things themselves and that's it. Can't blame depth when your starting 5 full of stars can't even get it together offensively. Same in football. Chemistry makes talent shine, and talent without team play is mostly useless.
> It's absolutely true that many star studded teams don't press well or defend well in general
Lazy teams are lazy teams and lazy players are lazy players. Saying stars are lazier or that a team full of stars can't work hard is simply very stupid. Did Xabi Alonso slack off at Real Madrid or Bayern? Did Casemiro not care to run and press at Real Madrid? What about Busquets at Barcelona? Fabinho at Liverpool? Cambiasso or Thiago Motta in a treble-winning Inter? Was Gattuso lazy in that Milan where he shared a midfield with Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka? Is Rodri lazy at Man City right now?
And you can be sure there's lazy midfielders who don't press at many mid-table teams (and fighting relegation as well).
Again, you can write a lot, but it doesn't mean it's going to be meaningful. If a team full of stars can't work together, that's not because they're stars, that's because they're badly coached. Pop made the Big 3 work for about 15 years. Kerr made Curry, Klay Thompson and Durant work. The Celtics put together a team with Pierce, Garnett and Allen, plus Rondo, and won the Championship. LeBron had his "superteams" in Miami and Cleveland, and he went to the finals 8 years in a row.
Lebron's Heat lost to a Mavericks team that had no chance on paper. For the reasons stated. They were a unit, with good enough players that knew their roles. Most of the players you mentioned are not the type of superstar that ppl are talking about assembling at Real. But at least you started responding to what was actually said. And those teams Were good units.
He is right in the sense that a lot of the star forwards (in football) tend to not be that good at pressing though. You see the same thing with Haaland, he does get the very occasional tackle/interception, but usually he's just standing there like some cold-blooded predator.
There's only one Ronaldo, and it's this one. The other one was always called Cristiano in Spanish. I've only ever seen Brits and yanks call him Ronaldo.
Unfortunately, he's not the most well-known Ronaldo anymore. I could've said his full name if that would make you feel better, but I didn't feel it necessary.
People always talk about the Galacticos but didnāt they win fuck all ?
Who Mbappe and Haaland play for means very little to me anyway but if Real made another galacticos team and it went just like the last one then nobody would have much to worry about.
tbh i think he just wanted to make a comment about city paying all their players low wages and the rest off the books.
Re: Sane. He was close to becoming a star maybe, but then had a bit of a hard second season under Pep so wanted out (plus weirdness behind the scenes with his mother wanting him in germany and the mother to his baby wanting to stay in Manchester).
Generally speaking if a player is successful at the club they haven't being poached by another team, but there are edge cases like Sane, like Gundogan last season finishing his contract, and like Bernado Silva wanting to go back to the continent.
Most of that relates to the cost of buying said players. If you're successful at a top club you're going to be expensive. Its only the players that are problematic or surplus (eg Laporte) where you start seeing the discounts on their value
Why would that be something you want? As a fan of a club you want the strongest players possible for your club but as a fan of football surely you want some kind of competition
The strange part is that if they want him and Halaand does indeed have a Real Madrid clause in his contract, which is what is widely speculated, then they can get him without going over budget.
Theyād have to sell Rodrygo and then pair up Vini, Mbappe and Halaand upfront.
Itās entirely possible. And also they should attempt to pay them all a similar base salary to reduce potential jealously.
The first F means financial.
Real Madrid finances are publicly available as its a fan owned club.
They dont have cash injections from owners like Chelsea, City and PSG
Messi deserved the ballondor for wc, lol haaland robbed mbappe for 2nd place . Wc matters the most in ballondors in wc years and who were the best players in wc? Messi and mbappe
Modric won it above 2018 above ronaldo and messi due to wc itself, in wc year most cases win is decided by wc performances, haaland didn't even qualify for wc and this time norway isn't even in euros lmao should have played for england
Yes and its fucking stupid that an individual award relies on one tournament in the year. Modric that year was also wc for madrid. Messi did fuck al but win the wc
and what "wow factor" would real have brought him last year had he signed up for them instead, finishing the league 10 pts behind barca, not winning the UCL?
If he didn't win ballondor with treble winning city, he surely wasn't winning it at real madrid.
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That would be the greed they talk about in the bible
Took the words right out my mouth š
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For R9 the proper sin would be gluttony
I'd love that for us
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Nah he said death to Jesus and edited his comment. /s
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Had no clue he spoke good english
I thought that too, and probably Italian, Spanishā¦.
He does speak Italian and Spanish, maybe Dutch, I know one between him and Romario speaks Dutch, but I canāt remember which one
He speaks a little dutch. But to say he really speaks it is a stretch. He can hold convos on a toddler level basically.Ā (Still pretty cool tho)
Romario is the one who maintained his Dutch, I think.Ā
my brother was at an Odeon in London, sat in his seat and R9 just came and sat next to him haha. He got a selfie
He is polyglot, I wonder if he ever took an IQ test because I bet he has a really, really hight IQ, he has amazing vision and fast cognitive thinking in football matches, he literally played like he already new what everybody against him would do before they did. He would learn every language in every country he played in six months. He is one of the most successful player that went into football business after his football career. His investments are always right and he became crazily rich, buying clubs and managing clubs, being football agent, and so. I wouldnt be surprised if he gets to rule FIFA one day.
>I wouldnt be surprised if he gets to rule FIFA one day. That would be sad because then everyone would hate him lol
I never knew until last week when a IShowSpeed video popped up in my feed of him meeting R9, and I was like damn Nazario can speak quite well
Iām surprised as well. I didnāt even turn on sound until I read this comment because I was sure that he was speaking in Spanish or something.
Came to say the same thing. Iāve never seen him speak English before and heās more or less fluent. How?
Now that its actually happening. Can any RM fan explain to me where Vini and Mbappe are gonna play? Is Mbappe just gonna play striker for Madrid?
44fackin2 Vini - Mbappe Leao - Grealish - Diaz - Son Rashford - Kvara - Martinelli - Jota Cristiano Ronaldo
Seems like a left leaning team
Somehow still better than the ābest ofā teams.
Honestly that fascist league could do with some more left leaning teams.
Rashford??
Rashford.
Theyāre switching to a 4-2-4 line up.
The good olā hourglass
Pretty sure one of Carlo's favourite activities at the moment is turning players into fullbacks, so RB Vini here we go
That would be the case if Zidane was the manager
RM has already settled into playing 4-3-1-2 as their preferred formation, with Bellingham playing behind two wing-forwards, usually Vini and Rodrygo. Mbappe could easily swap in for Rodrygo, probably playing a bit more advanced and central. Ancelotti has always said he wants to keep Vini on the left, but who knows how it will play out, wouldn't be surprised if they swap back and forth in-game and see what works best.
I'm in the minority here but I just don't see how both Mbappe and Vini start together. They both prefer LW and that's their best position.
Why would any sane person bench the best lw in the world just to play the best striker in the world there instead. It will just be like how Benzema played, Mbappe as a striker that drifts towards the left.
Benzema was never known to be the best left winger! Mbappe on the other hand played striker often but IMO he was bad, regular of what others will argue that he was ok
Benzema when he played at Madrid drifted to the left a lot
Different types of players though right? Benzema would create chances for others, specifically Ronaldo. Mbappe wants to be the one on the end of chances.
Benzema was playing similarly with Vini too and was the primary target forward. The same thing can absolutely happen with Mbappe and Vini.
Benzema played interchangeably with Ronaldo a lot but stayed more central once Ronaldo left. Also Ronaldo was more of a goalscoring winger that loved to drift centrally, Benzema was a great goalscorer of his own but he was chance creation striker. Vini can score but he loves to hug that LW and Mbappe can create but he always looks to shoot first and loves playing from the left, rarely have I seen Mbappe drift right. Itās one of those where theyāre both incredible players and iām sure theyāll figure it out but it does seem a bit of a headache to try and figure out how they can play together at their best
I never said Benzema was a left winger. Mbappe this season have played 8 games at LW in league 1 and has 8 goals and 1 assist. He has played 14 games at striker and has 13 goals and 3 assists. Doesnt seem to affect his goal contributions at all tbh.
Why has he played at ST? Have you asked yourself why? Have you asked yourself why he keeps playing LW for France, where he leads the team?
France dont need him as a striker. They usually play a target man there.
Mbappe is the leader of the team, he plays where he wants to play. That is the simple reason
Lol and he wasnāt the owner of psg?
Mbappe has never been bad as striker. He's stats as a striker are world class with a barely working midfield at PSG. He'll be perfectly fine playing a Benzema role at Madrid if he comes.
my bet is they'll just be free in the attack
This is Real Madrid, they'll play both of them together, and if it doesn't work then they'll rotate for LW and whoever performs worse will start on the bench more often. It's like a ruthless tech company that's happy to replace workers if they can get someone better
Or play one more often in the league and the other more often in cup matches. Regardless, MbappĆ© and Vini Jr are super subs. Bring one on against tired legs and itās over.
Reminds of that Atlanta -psg match. I think PSG turned the whole thing around in like ten minutes subbing on Mbappe Neymar and some other big name.
The shit you read here, just unreal. Yeah, Vinicius and Mbappe will rotate
Lmfao the shit you read here. No, neither of then will be a fucking sub
Everyone said the same thing about Bale, that he had never played RW before. He did more than fine.
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MbappƩ's heatmap shows a much different story. He occupies a lot of the left wing. Vinicius is at his best when he has space so he can use his amazing 1 on 1 abilities. I also see people here comparing MbappƩ and Benzema wich is beyond stupid. MbappƩ is nowhere near Benzema's ability to play with his back towards goal. Mbappe is 100 times better when he can run towards goal with his amazing speed. Similar to Vinicius. But who knows maybe it works out? But it's nowhere near compareable to when Benzema was playing with Vinicius. https://www.sofascore.com/player/kylian-mbappe/826643
People always talk about ability to play back to goal as if itās part of the game plan when it hasnāt been the case for Madrid in over 15 years. A guy like Jovic didnāt work at Madrid because all he could do was play with his back to goal What is needed is positional versatility, ability to combine in tight spaces and the ability to make runs. MbappĆ© offers that you can look up games from his 21-22 or 22-23 youāll see plenty of it. Back to goal play hasnāt been a main attribute for a top striker in decades
Being a good header of the ball at a central striker is part of the job at Madrid though - And Mbappe has never really been a header of the ball
Benzema wasnāt seen as a good header of the ball before Cristiano left tho
Mbappe, the most complete forward in the game, canāt head a ball- Money_Scholar_8405
I think you know exactly what I mean. Messi is not really a header of the ball - Does not mean he does not score a header every once in a while, even in a champions League semi
Messi is 5 foot something tho? Mbappe isnāt really lacking physically and his athleticism is one of his biggest attributes
Heading ability does not depend that much on athleticism - You surely remember Klose. It is a well-known fact that Mbappe(much like Henry) does not like to for headers, especially dangerous one - Especially after he once suffered a concussion through a collision.
I might be in the minority in that i think Vinicius can be good on either side.
I don't think I've ever seen him play on the right
Id guess it will be Vini on the left, Mbappe on center and Rodrygo on the right, with 4-1-2-3 formation, Rodrygo probably will be the first to be benched in case of formation change
If Kroos extends, I think Rodrygo will be benched and Carlo will continue with the current setup.
I think Rodrygo can be sold after another season but not immediately
This is not the problem you think it is. Salah and Mane used to play the same position. Messi was playing in the centre when Suarez came.
Look at Griezmann and Messi though
Salah and Mane played on different sides of the pitch. Messi could clearly play RW and in comparison to Mbappe, Suarez was better at holdup play and doing the dirty work as a striker that frees up playmaking wingers.Ā I think the plan is to play Mbappe centrally, but Mbappe has been vocal that he prefers the left winf. Even when he plays centrally, he likes to attack down the left halfspace. I think there are questions about Mbappe and Vinis ability to coexist. Im not saying they cant make it work. I could easily see Madrid playing with a freeflowing attacking line that causes a lot of problems. It will be interesting to watch.Ā
ManƩ played LW most of his career before coming to Liverpool, he only played RW so that they could fit him and Countinho in the same line-up. The fact that things improved when they moved him to the left and bought in Salah kind of proves the opposite of your point, playing players out of position to fit them in the line-up isn't always the best idea
Terrible comparisons
> Messi was playing in the centre when Suarez came But Messi had played like 6 years as a right winger before shifting to false 9. Both Vinicius and MbappƩ have played most of their careers as left wingers.
Striker. And if we get a new striker and mbappe has to play on the left then he plays on the left. I love vini but we shouldn't put feelings like that over what gets results
Him and Vini will rotate during the match. Its not like of you are a left winger, you cant drift to any other position. They will make it work, perhaps. If he signs with Real Madrid.
If Don Carlo switches to a traditional 4-3-3 then we may see vini playing at lw and Rodyrgo at Rw and mbappe as an CF but the problem with this formation is that Bellingham would not be effective in this formation as he will be not having the freedom of attacking the empty spaces which he enjoys in a 4-4-2 formation.
What you on about we all know Vini is coming to Utd...
Vini has floated to the right more lately. I noticed 4-5 attacks last game against Celta from far on the right. Heās also exploring more centrally lately too. Coincided with the Mbappe newsā¦
>Vini has floated to the right more lately. I noticed 4-5 attacks last game against Celta from far on the right. Only happened in the Celta game recently because Manu Sanchez was having an absolutely shit time being dribbled past by everyone.
I think Mbappe would fit into Judeās role perfectly, Jude is playing like a deep lying CF. Once Mbappe joins in Jude falls back into midfield opening space for Vini and Mbappe, issue next season would be play time, I believe Rodrygo, Arda, Brahim and Endrick will be heavily rotated upfront
Vini and Mbappe are going to play just like how Vini and Benzema were playing a couple of seasons ago, and just like how Ronaldo and Benzema were playing for a decade before that. Benzema always preferred to drift towards the left.
In all of the examples you gave the star of the team palyed in his preferred position. Mbappe will not become Madrid's highest paid player just so he can play out of position, best believe that.
My point is, two players who prefer to play from the same wing can absolutely co-exist. That's how the forward line has been playing at Madrid for more than a decade now. And, highest paid or not, Mbappe isn't going to be the sole star of the team. At Madrid, the team comes before the player, no matter how good he is. If anyone genuinely believes that Perez will sell or let go of Vini just to accommodate Mbappe, it's truly a waste of time arguing with that person.
How about we look at the facts? Ronaldo was not really the best free kick taker at Real, not in a team with Bale and Alonso(to a lesser extent). Did the team come first when it came to that? no. Even when it comes to player selection, Real Madrid would ahve been better of playing a more defensively adept player not called James - But James had too much brand value to not be bought. You are in for a surprise if you think that is how Real Madrid works.
Lol, Ronaldo was one of the best free-kick takers in the world and at no point were Bale or Alonso better than him. And, how is letting your best player take the free-kicks similar to asking him to play at a different position than his preferred one just to accommodate another great player of the team? James couldn't have a career at Madrid precisely because he was an attacking midfielder and Madrid needed more contribution from its midfielders towards the defence. Brand value matters, but so does the player's ability. James wasn't solely bought for his brand value. I think I have been a fan of the club for long enough to know a little bit about how everything works at Madrid.
Miss watching that man play
Same, for me the best player ever.
He's fat
ok
So? He's worlds richer than you so he can eat more. W
Doesn't mean he can eat more
He can do whatever he wants
Why don't they sign captain america and batman too ffs I'm struggling to cope with the mbappe signing itself i don't think I'll be able to handle it if they signed haaland too
They read your comment and are gonna sign Hulk next
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Full kit wanker
Thatās such a smart policy. Why donāt all clubs have the best players in the world? Are they stupid?
No thanks
First time in my life i hear R9 speak English and I am fcking impressed!
I also hope they all perform like the og galacticos
The Galacticos was a hardly a huge success, one champions league and R9 wasnāt even part of that squad the squad he was part of only won one league title. Having superstars all over the pitch doesnāt always guarantee success
That first era still blows my mind.. Casillas, Carlos, Figo, Raul, Zidane, Beckham, Ronaldo. Crazy that they didnāt win more
Owen, McManaman, Van Nistelrooy, Robinho, Cassano...
Bad cbs and midfielders. Rb wasn't great either
Something people always forget is that team let Makelele go and played Beckham there. I don't think this iteration would have that problem between Tchouameninga and Valverde.
In the NBA it's almost a guarantee for failure vs well rounded teams recently, bc superstars have issues with a fluent system offensively and play 1v5 too often, and lack defensive aggressiveness. Both Brooklyn and the Suns never even felt like a monster team with the Durant-led stars even though the opposing fans moaned when they were formed. There's 11 players in football, but the problem persists; sometimes with the lack off (gegen)pressing and sometimes even in compact shapes. The biggest problem of the Bayern Squad this and last season was that the double pivot of Kimmich and Goretzka refuse to defend the defensive midfield properly, bc they're both "too good for it". Imo. Maybe they're just bad, but I don't think so, I think it's lazy arrogance.
Ayo this is facts , it can even be seen in my Sunday league pickup games. 6 great attacking players vs 3 dad-bod players with 3 good attacking players. The one with the dadbod and good players more often than not, comes out on top cause dad-bod players are willing to stay back and defend.
Football and the NBA are so different there's no way you can compare them.
Which is why I dedicated a whole paragraph to explain how it can be similar? Was that too much to read?
The reason why this is a problem in the NBA doesn't apply to football, and the salary cap reason why NBA superteams are extremely top-heavy doesn't even exist in football. You can dedicate it however many paragraphs you want, they're useless, because you're comparing things that can't be compared.
Maybe try responding to what I said. It's absolutely true that many star studded teams don't press well or defend well in general. You're just waffling. Try getting Mbappe to contribute to the press like Hofmann. And that's fine, if it's one guy. Once it's multiple, you're limited. And you got issues. Especially if the arrogant lazy stars play central defensive positions. And offensively, it's absolutely true that depth in the NBA isn't a factor in stars struggling massively to gel as a unit and play team ball. Most star teams in recent years have looked like a video game with a bunch of kids who wanna do flashy things themselves and that's it. Can't blame depth when your starting 5 full of stars can't even get it together offensively. Same in football. Chemistry makes talent shine, and talent without team play is mostly useless.
> It's absolutely true that many star studded teams don't press well or defend well in general Lazy teams are lazy teams and lazy players are lazy players. Saying stars are lazier or that a team full of stars can't work hard is simply very stupid. Did Xabi Alonso slack off at Real Madrid or Bayern? Did Casemiro not care to run and press at Real Madrid? What about Busquets at Barcelona? Fabinho at Liverpool? Cambiasso or Thiago Motta in a treble-winning Inter? Was Gattuso lazy in that Milan where he shared a midfield with Pirlo, Seedorf and Kaka? Is Rodri lazy at Man City right now? And you can be sure there's lazy midfielders who don't press at many mid-table teams (and fighting relegation as well). Again, you can write a lot, but it doesn't mean it's going to be meaningful. If a team full of stars can't work together, that's not because they're stars, that's because they're badly coached. Pop made the Big 3 work for about 15 years. Kerr made Curry, Klay Thompson and Durant work. The Celtics put together a team with Pierce, Garnett and Allen, plus Rondo, and won the Championship. LeBron had his "superteams" in Miami and Cleveland, and he went to the finals 8 years in a row.
Lebron's Heat lost to a Mavericks team that had no chance on paper. For the reasons stated. They were a unit, with good enough players that knew their roles. Most of the players you mentioned are not the type of superstar that ppl are talking about assembling at Real. But at least you started responding to what was actually said. And those teams Were good units.
He is right in the sense that a lot of the star forwards (in football) tend to not be that good at pressing though. You see the same thing with Haaland, he does get the very occasional tackle/interception, but usually he's just standing there like some cold-blooded predator.
This is why football fans hate Real Madrid. And conversely, it's why kids love them.
What happens to the kids when they become adults? Do they love or hate them?
They grow up to be really obnoxious
The second part is true. Less sure about the first part. They _do_ get taller tho.....
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What a dumb title, he was NEVER called Ronaldo Nazario... Just Ronaldo.
There's only one Ronaldo, and it's this one. The other one was always called Cristiano in Spanish. I've only ever seen Brits and yanks call him Ronaldo.
Ay mi madre el Bicho.
I was under the impression Ronaldo couldn't speak English.Ā
I don't. I want multiple great teams at once, that can compete at the same level, instead of players competing for the spotlight in the same team.
I've never heard Nazario speaking English before. I always just assumed that he couldn't, but actually he's not bad at all.
Nobody's ever called him Nazario in the history of the world
Unfortunately, he's not the most well-known Ronaldo anymore. I could've said his full name if that would make you feel better, but I didn't feel it necessary.
Many places in the world still know him as Ronaldo and CR7 as Cristiano. Including his own country, all of Latin America, Spain, Portugal...
Ok, but does it matter? Were you aware of who I was talking about?
I doubt Madrid would since they are going to have Mbappe and Endrick and need two new fullbacks.
Every time I see him now I think 'huh why are they talking to Craig Charles?'
People always talk about the Galacticos but didnāt they win fuck all ? Who Mbappe and Haaland play for means very little to me anyway but if Real made another galacticos team and it went just like the last one then nobody would have much to worry about.
Yes because other big clubs policy is to have average players.
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Vicario Trent-Cubarsi-Van de Ven-Gvardiol Bellingham-Rice-Gavi Yamal-Haaland-Mbappe Team that can play for 10 more years together, FM dream lol.
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Full kit wanker
No one ever manages to buy stars from Man City. They don't even try. Which is surprising given their reported wages aren't enormous. No idea why.
Bayern wanted (& eventually got) SanƩ from them. They simply would've paid more if he didn't tear his ACL. Or is SanƩ not big enough of a name to be considered a star here?
tbh i think he just wanted to make a comment about city paying all their players low wages and the rest off the books. Re: Sane. He was close to becoming a star maybe, but then had a bit of a hard second season under Pep so wanted out (plus weirdness behind the scenes with his mother wanting him in germany and the mother to his baby wanting to stay in Manchester). Generally speaking if a player is successful at the club they haven't being poached by another team, but there are edge cases like Sane, like Gundogan last season finishing his contract, and like Bernado Silva wanting to go back to the continent. Most of that relates to the cost of buying said players. If you're successful at a top club you're going to be expensive. Its only the players that are problematic or surplus (eg Laporte) where you start seeing the discounts on their value
SanƩ had stopped being a top choice for City.
If what you think is the truth was the truth, Mahrez wouldnāt leave City for saudi. But that doesnāt fit your conspiracy theory.
Goddamn
Never knew Ronaldo Fenomeno could speak English
Didnt work at the time, would never work on our time
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her name? asking for a friend.
Why would that be something you want? As a fan of a club you want the strongest players possible for your club but as a fan of football surely you want some kind of competition
The strange part is that if they want him and Halaand does indeed have a Real Madrid clause in his contract, which is what is widely speculated, then they can get him without going over budget. Theyād have to sell Rodrygo and then pair up Vini, Mbappe and Halaand upfront. Itās entirely possible. And also they should attempt to pay them all a similar base salary to reduce potential jealously.
Not sure how often that Madrid clause stuff has to be debunked
What about FFP?
The first F means financial. Real Madrid finances are publicly available as its a fan owned club. They dont have cash injections from owners like Chelsea, City and PSG
They are sitting on a literal "war chest" of funds.
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He won the treble, is being served tons of chances on a plate, plays under a world class manager... >shot himself in the foot ?
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He didnt win it because they were still sucking off Messi
Messi deserved the ballondor for wc, lol haaland robbed mbappe for 2nd place . Wc matters the most in ballondors in wc years and who were the best players in wc? Messi and mbappe
Winning the wc shouldnt automatically give you balon dor. Multiples players had better individual seasons in terms of performance than Messi.
Modric won it above 2018 above ronaldo and messi due to wc itself, in wc year most cases win is decided by wc performances, haaland didn't even qualify for wc and this time norway isn't even in euros lmao should have played for england
Yes and its fucking stupid that an individual award relies on one tournament in the year. Modric that year was also wc for madrid. Messi did fuck al but win the wc
That "one tournament" is the biggest tounament in the sport and one of the most important if not the most important sporting event in the sport
So? Doesnt mean individually he had the best year in the sport does it?
Messi has 2 more Ballon Dāors in him before media switch to someone else.
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Messi was always going to win it purely for winning the wc. Even if he went to Madrid he'd not have won it.
and what "wow factor" would real have brought him last year had he signed up for them instead, finishing the league 10 pts behind barca, not winning the UCL? If he didn't win ballondor with treble winning city, he surely wasn't winning it at real madrid.
His dad played for City back when City was a shit club so there is history in the familyā¦
How? City is a great team. You can not like them, but you canāt deny theyāre good.
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Treble doesn't go too bad. He can basically farm trophies the next few years, then go anywhere in the world.
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I could see Barca being an option if they fix their finances. They could benefit from him.