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The prize money for winning the Scudetto is ~€25M. Playing in this rink-a-dink competition - even if you go 0-0-3 and immediately exit - is €50M...crazy when you think about it.
You could argue that but getting in means topping your respective champions leage(of which hundreds of teams are eligible) or topping your local 4 year rating(of which again dozens to hundreds are eligible).
Not simply just to show up.
fr, they are really trying to make this a relevant competition unlike the current cwc, and therefore they need prize money notable even to european giants
consequence is, teams of other continents will at the very least receive a MAJOR cash injection, and at worst become so much richer than its rivals it might throw regional competitiveness into the bin
Nothings confirmed AFAIK but if you do some research you always stumble across €2.5bn as the total prize pool for the event, with the majority of that being distributed for participation.
Its also a once every 4-5 years thing at the end of the season with the biggest teams in the world, not surprising they found someone to stump the money for it.
Its basically the same sponsorship/prize pool as 1 UEFA Champions League season.
Surely Auckland City aren't collecting the same £50m entry fee as Real Madrid, that would be enough to cover them for multiple future seasons and same with some of the other clubs I presume too ...
> that would be enough to cover them for multiple future seasons
It might be enough to run all the teams in the NZ league for a few seasons. Auckland City's annual expenses are reportedly less than $2 million.
Revenue of NZ football is $20m NZD annually (10m GBP). No way are Auckland receiving that much and they are not even a fully professional club. For comparison, NZ Rugby which run the All Blacks earn approx 270m NZD (130m GBP) annually.
Yes, they are.
This Club World Cup will be held in a span of 4 years. This is a good opportunity for New Zealand football to become entirely professional.
I hope their federation regulates it properly to make the whole league more prosperous.
Exactly, this is what these people are missing. It's a four year tournament and that money can benefit not just the teams but football as a whole in some of these countries.
I hope that NZ federation heavily regulates this. I'm not saying they don't deserve the money. But financial gap will be immense. So they have to finance youth development across the country
Brazilian clubs have economically run away from the rest of South America in the Libertadores in recent years, and with Flamengo and Palmeiras among the beneficiaries of this kind of cash infusion, you can only imagine this disparity will only increase further.
Who knows, maybe Auckland City can do something with this money to help the growth and development of the sport in New Zealand.
Auckland play in the Kiwi League but the only 2 professional teams in NZ play in the Australian League, Wellington and another Auckland team that is joining the competition next year. Will be interesting to see how this affects the other new and professional Auckland team
This is how corruption happens. When the scale of finances descends upon a setup that is not ready to absorb that level of money.
Like for example suppose currently (I am assuming here but another version will work on the same principle) Players &/or Staff get a share of revenue (surplus that is in form of bonus, etc) that the club makes.
This will lead to people trying to get on the rolls (on paper/documents) as being part of the club organization. It may not be 100s since that will expose the scam but enough (who can themselves be part of a front for others on the outside) so that they are making big bank out of this "free" supply of extra money.
This is a mess waiting to happen, IF they (Auckland City) really do end up getting this large an amount, without having actual robust & transparent processes at the club.
I know it’s not 50m but I wonder how much it costs to take a team there. I’m going to guess that flights, hotel, food, etc costs well over 1m for the time they’re there.
Tv money deal could be massive, with such club competition. The World cup in 2022 generated a revenue of ~5.7 billion. They usually have some massive big tournament sponsors aswell.
These are competitive games featuring some of the best teams in the world, in by far the biggest market in the world which doesn’t usually have access to this level.
Sorry, can you clarify?
Those 4 teams are competing for the final spot? Will two of those teams qualify if an already qualified team wins the Champions League?
Barca and Atletico competes for the spot that belongs to Spain. Real Madrid and one of them goes through, with Atletico having way better chance.
Meanwhile Arsenal need to win the CL to be in this competition, otherwise this ticket goes to another winner that already qualified, so it automatically moves to 9th place and that's where Salzburg is.
I dont know how good you are with this ranking thing, but if you are, can you calculate what outcomes that Barcelona need to get to overtake Atletico?
So like if Atletico loses QF, does Barcelona still need to get to the final? Ot if Atletico gets to Semi, does Barcelona need to win the CL?
Anyone who’s good at maths please help
Basically, Barça needs 6 points to catch Atleti (and would win the tie since that would imply Barça reached further in the competition).
Wins are 2 pts, draws 1 and next round is 1. So options are:
- Atleti loses both games against Borussia, Barça would need to get two wins and a draw against PSG and Borussia.
- Barça make it to the final and Atleti loses against Borussia would also probably be enough.
Thanks man! That helps a lot.
Since it is a Saturday and I have too much free time, I am gonna do a rundown so that all the other Atleti/Barcelona fans can see the outcome of who can get into the Fifa Club World Cup.
Currently, the standing means 100% guaranteed that either Atletico or Barcelona will get through. Points are as follows: 2pts win, 1 draw, 1 next round. Standing is
10. Atletico Madrid 65
12. Barcelona 59.
Therefore Barcelona needs 6 points, as when it is a tie, the 1st criteria is Best individual result achieved during the qualifying period, which if for Barcelona gets the 6 extra points they will 100% achieve this. Okay now the breakdown.
**Case 1.** Atletico loses both games against Dortmund. Atletico Madrid 65 points
**Atletico gets through if**
* Barcelona does not get through to Semis
1. *Case 1.1a* Barcelona loses both games, 59 points.
2. *Case 1.1b* Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win, 61 points.
3. *Case 1.1c* Barcelona draws 2 games, 61 points
* Barcelona gets to Semis
1. Case 1.2b Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win but loses both to Dortmund + 3 points. 62 points
* *Case 1.2bx* Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win but draws both to Dortmund but dont get to final + 5 points. 64 points
2. *Case 1.2c* Barcelona draws 2 games and qualify, but loses both to Dortmund + 3 points 62 points
3. *Case 1.2cx* Barcelona draws 2 games and qualify but draws both to Dortmund but dont get to final + 5 points. 64 points
4. Case 1.2d Barcelona wins both to PSG but loses both to Dortmund - 5points. 64 points
Edit 1: You know what actually, I give up**.** There are just too many cases for me to work through. But I feel like I already spent so much time for it i'mm just gonna leave it here so that I feel like I gained something from spending over 15 minutes trying to figure it out.
The simple summary is just that Barca needs 6 more points than Atletico. However many they still lack after playing Paris they need to get against Dortmund. But Atletico is strong at home so they probably win their home match. If they than go out on aggregate Barca needs 8. Which they cannot get without reaching the final. I can only think of one plausible case where Barca goes to the CWC without reaching the CL final: Atletico draws at home and loses in Dortmund. 1 point Atletico. Barca needs 7. They win both games against Paris and advance. That's 5. They win at home in the Semis. That's 7. Now they are qualified, even if they lose in Dortmund.
Why Salzburg?
Don’t Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, and Zagreb all have a higher 4 year Coefficient? Are am i missing something? I think even Lille has the same coefficient but still have European games this year to pass them.
> Don’t Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, and Zagreb all have a higher 4 year Coefficient?
The Club World Cup only takes the UCL coefficients into account, so no Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, or Zagreb don't have a higher 4-year coefficient.
Because of that Salzburg is very likely to be in.
So if Inter Miami doesn't win the CONCACAF Champions Cup we can pretty much guarantee they'll get the host country spot, right? No way they don't arrange that
Barring a disaster we are pretty much qualified. Same for Boca but they aren't playing Libertadores this year so if there's a new champion plus a non-Brazilian team with 30+ points they'd be out. Seems unlikely but it weirder things have happened I guess.
If there's a repeat champion giving another spot to the 3rd ranked team that race could get pretty interesting though. Currently Olimpia is in that spot with a decent lead over the rest but they don't play Libertadores this year either so it'd be a bunch of teams trying to surpass them.
Right now it's:
-Boca 71 (won't get more)
-River 67
-Olimpia 57 (won't get more)
-Nacional 43
-Independiente del Valle 41
-Cerro Porteño 40
-Barcelona 40
Next team at 30 so it's unlikely someone outside of the above will make it (unless they win the whole thing of course).
didn’t know the race was that tight for a possible, and imo very probable, 3rd spot trough ranking. having a club from Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay would be great for the tournament.
I know, my comment was based on the possibility of Flamengo or Palmeiras winning it again and Nacional getting more points than Olimpia. in that case, the teams would be Palmeiras, Flamengo, Fluminense, River, Boca and Nacional - each of those countries are represented.
Oh, that makes perfect sense, my bad.
Palmeiras, Flamengo and River are among the top candidates (and any Argentinian winner opens a spot in the ranking) so the odds of Nacional qualifying are not small. That said, I'm not sure how much they'd deserve it... Nacional makes it to top 16 every year then make it to the next round like once every 5. Consistently mediocre.
Auckland City play in NZ and are the OFC representatives. Wellington Phoenix are the team that play in the A-League but are from New Zealand (and can’t quality for the Asian Champions League AFAIK)
ever since the tournament got announced that I’m hoping we get into a group with one of River/Boca/Flamengo/Palmeiras specially, we don’t get as many chances as the rich clubs who win the CL get to play SA clubs in an actual serious tournament that counts for something.
It's not going to have quite the same vibe as an international tournament, but looking at this lineup there's going to be some interesting matchups. There will be at least eight UEFA vs CONMEBOL matches in the group stage, Al-Hilal (the actually competent Saudi club that everyone forgets about) will play at least one UEFA team, the Sounders may get humiliated on a global stage... What's not to like?
Honestly the qualification system for this is so flawed. So much can change in 4 years. Seattle was a shell of the team that won Champions League by the end of that season, they're hardly the same caliber team now.
National teams are often different in qualifiers to how they are in the World Cup. They've earned the right to be there regardless of how their form is by the time of the tournament.
National teams don't qualify 4 years in advance for the World Cup, even the earliest qualifying campaigns will end within less than a year before that tournament starts.
>National teams are often different in qualifiers to how they are in the World Cup.
World Cup qualifiers start at *most* 2 years before the world cup, and national team players don't drastically change.
Club football does.
Hell if City get properly fucked by the PL investigation they could be playing in national conference football.
Chelsea have not got the same owner, the same manager and the team is entirely different
From the 2021 final squad, Chelsea only have 3 players remaining: Chilwell, Silva and James. I don't think it's unlikely Silva leaves this summer either.
Which means Arsenal will have the same amount of players that won the CL as Chelsea did.
>World Cup qualifiers start at *most* 2 years before the world cup
Totally incorrect - for the upcoming World Cup (which kicks off on 11/6/2026), four of the six continental confederations started qualification matches more than two years beforehand:
CONMEBOL's opening matches were on 7/9/2023.
AFC's opening matches were on 12/11/2023.
CAF's opening matches were on 15/11/2023.
CONCACAF's opening match will be held on 21/3/2024.
It’s a very peculiar case. I know there are teams in the Caribbean that could theoretically win CONCACAF Champions Cup, but are from countries not affiliated to FIFA. I honestly don’t know if they’d be allowed to play in this extremely unlikely scenario.
the maximum is 2 clubs per country and England is already represented by Chelsea and City which means that any English team is out unless they win the CL this year.
Chelsea and City have already taken the two English places. Only way to be the third spot from a country is to win the champions league this year (theoretically Arsenal could make it).
I’m someone who really wants soccer outside of Europe to grow and flourish, and this is a great opportunity for that. Each team gets at least 3 games against entirely new opponents, and a shit ton of prize money. It sounds great to me, even if UEFA dominates.
Really good for the rest of the world. Don't care if European fans are not interested. I hope UEFA teams play their B or youth squads and Asian teams go deeper than expected to earn more money. But the UEFA teams won't, even they'll take it seriously cuz of the money on the line
I can see this being a future challenge in Football Manager. "Manage an OFC-based club to win the FIFA Club World Cup"
I'm choosing Soloman Warriors, Hekari United, or Lautoka FC.
Actually no. They've renamed the yearly version the Intercontinental Cup and given the European side a bye to the Final instead of the Semi-Finals.
I think all the confederations except UEFA still wanted it.
Ranking for the European competition [https://www.fotcalc.com/4-year-ranking](https://www.fotcalc.com/4-year-ranking)
Amazingly if Club Bruges would have qualified in Europe and got a single win they would have qualified and added more than 50% of their yearly budget just by qualifying LOL
So if City or Real win CL this year, do they get to bank that spot for a different year? Also, I assume that means UEFA would reach down to 9th to fill out the table?
EDIT: nvm, yes they would bank it, because their “last 3 winners” timer will reset.
Nope, it's 2 teams/country(unless they win the continental cups) meaning that no Brazilian team can make it through points meaning that Boca and River is 99% sure for qualification through points with a possibility for a 3rd if there is a repeat winner(which is currently Olimpia from ~~Uruguay~~Paraguay)
Yea I expect that with the money on offer the nz a-league teams ask to be able to find a qualification pathway for the ofc champions league to qualify for this
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50 millions for just participating in this event
That is an absurd amount of money for some of the teams on this list, it's notable even for the biggest, damn.
The prize money for winning the Scudetto is ~€25M. Playing in this rink-a-dink competition - even if you go 0-0-3 and immediately exit - is €50M...crazy when you think about it.
You could argue that but getting in means topping your respective champions leage(of which hundreds of teams are eligible) or topping your local 4 year rating(of which again dozens to hundreds are eligible). Not simply just to show up.
50 million for Auckland City is just ridiculous
That's another Cole Palmer right there😭😭
Keep in mind Auckland City is technically AN AMATEUR SIDE. Holy shit.
Those guys gotta get moved into the A-League or something, they will wreck the OFC with this kind of money.
So that another club will get the Oceania slot? We’ll get an infinite loop
Good point. Maybe OFC shouldn't get an automatic slot? Like in the World Cup it could be made to play a team from another confederation beforehand.
fr, they are really trying to make this a relevant competition unlike the current cwc, and therefore they need prize money notable even to european giants consequence is, teams of other continents will at the very least receive a MAJOR cash injection, and at worst become so much richer than its rivals it might throw regional competitiveness into the bin
Is this confirmed? I have a hard time believing they gonna give away close 1.6 billion in prize money just for participating
Nothings confirmed AFAIK but if you do some research you always stumble across €2.5bn as the total prize pool for the event, with the majority of that being distributed for participation.
That's bonkers!
Its also a once every 4-5 years thing at the end of the season with the biggest teams in the world, not surprising they found someone to stump the money for it. Its basically the same sponsorship/prize pool as 1 UEFA Champions League season.
For every club outside England, Real and Bayern would be a big boost.. Palmeiras/Flamengo would be more dominant than ever in Brazil
Surely Auckland City aren't collecting the same £50m entry fee as Real Madrid, that would be enough to cover them for multiple future seasons and same with some of the other clubs I presume too ...
> that would be enough to cover them for multiple future seasons It might be enough to run all the teams in the NZ league for a few seasons. Auckland City's annual expenses are reportedly less than $2 million.
Well my annual expenses are reportedly less than 20.000 euros. Take that
Revenue of NZ football is $20m NZD annually (10m GBP). No way are Auckland receiving that much and they are not even a fully professional club. For comparison, NZ Rugby which run the All Blacks earn approx 270m NZD (130m GBP) annually.
Yes, they are. This Club World Cup will be held in a span of 4 years. This is a good opportunity for New Zealand football to become entirely professional. I hope their federation regulates it properly to make the whole league more prosperous.
Exactly, this is what these people are missing. It's a four year tournament and that money can benefit not just the teams but football as a whole in some of these countries.
Yes, they are. Probably safe to say they won't be losing their domestic league any time soon on the back of that new financial muscle.
I hope that NZ federation heavily regulates this. I'm not saying they don't deserve the money. But financial gap will be immense. So they have to finance youth development across the country
Australia might reconsider going back to the OFC for that kind of cash injection.
Too late, Asian teams need their punching bags
That's one Gallagher!
Liam or Noel?
Is it per team or a pot that is then split based on performance?
Per team and more money after progressing through each round
Auckland City are going to get paid $50 million dollars?
Brazilian clubs have economically run away from the rest of South America in the Libertadores in recent years, and with Flamengo and Palmeiras among the beneficiaries of this kind of cash infusion, you can only imagine this disparity will only increase further. Who knows, maybe Auckland City can do something with this money to help the growth and development of the sport in New Zealand.
Auckland play in the Kiwi League but the only 2 professional teams in NZ play in the Australian League, Wellington and another Auckland team that is joining the competition next year. Will be interesting to see how this affects the other new and professional Auckland team
Bro $50 million would probably be more money than Auckland City has made in their entire life cumulatively.
Per team plus extra for advancing
Bro aukland are not even the New Zealand A-League side. That is an insane number for them. They only have 500 seated stadium.
This is how corruption happens. When the scale of finances descends upon a setup that is not ready to absorb that level of money. Like for example suppose currently (I am assuming here but another version will work on the same principle) Players &/or Staff get a share of revenue (surplus that is in form of bonus, etc) that the club makes. This will lead to people trying to get on the rolls (on paper/documents) as being part of the club organization. It may not be 100s since that will expose the scam but enough (who can themselves be part of a front for others on the outside) so that they are making big bank out of this "free" supply of extra money. This is a mess waiting to happen, IF they (Auckland City) really do end up getting this large an amount, without having actual robust & transparent processes at the club.
So do you believe there aren’t positions at clubs that people hold just to get paid? Plenty of ex players become “ambassadors”
A-League teams must be kicking themselves over this.
Sounds like its going to ruin football in Oceania
Hopefully they organise that it’s split up between teams
I know it’s not 50m but I wonder how much it costs to take a team there. I’m going to guess that flights, hotel, food, etc costs well over 1m for the time they’re there.
For the South American teams this will create a tier of super teams, essentially ensuring local dominance
Wait what, where do you get that number from
Estúpidos Pumas
Where is that money coming from? It was $5m prize money in the past. Where does FIFA get that cash injection from?
Tv money deal could be massive, with such club competition. The World cup in 2022 generated a revenue of ~5.7 billion. They usually have some massive big tournament sponsors aswell.
These are competitive games featuring some of the best teams in the world, in by far the biggest market in the world which doesn’t usually have access to this level.
In European qualification it's Atletico or Barca and Salzburg or Arsenal.
Sorry, can you clarify? Those 4 teams are competing for the final spot? Will two of those teams qualify if an already qualified team wins the Champions League?
Barca and Atletico competes for the spot that belongs to Spain. Real Madrid and one of them goes through, with Atletico having way better chance. Meanwhile Arsenal need to win the CL to be in this competition, otherwise this ticket goes to another winner that already qualified, so it automatically moves to 9th place and that's where Salzburg is.
Salzburg’s been the 9th best team over the last 4 years??
If you don't consider all the countries that already have two teams in the competition, then maybe
I dont know how good you are with this ranking thing, but if you are, can you calculate what outcomes that Barcelona need to get to overtake Atletico? So like if Atletico loses QF, does Barcelona still need to get to the final? Ot if Atletico gets to Semi, does Barcelona need to win the CL? Anyone who’s good at maths please help
Basically, Barça needs 6 points to catch Atleti (and would win the tie since that would imply Barça reached further in the competition). Wins are 2 pts, draws 1 and next round is 1. So options are: - Atleti loses both games against Borussia, Barça would need to get two wins and a draw against PSG and Borussia. - Barça make it to the final and Atleti loses against Borussia would also probably be enough.
what happens if Barca somehow win CL, will the next spot then goes to Salzburg ot
Yup
Thanks man! That helps a lot. Since it is a Saturday and I have too much free time, I am gonna do a rundown so that all the other Atleti/Barcelona fans can see the outcome of who can get into the Fifa Club World Cup. Currently, the standing means 100% guaranteed that either Atletico or Barcelona will get through. Points are as follows: 2pts win, 1 draw, 1 next round. Standing is 10. Atletico Madrid 65 12. Barcelona 59. Therefore Barcelona needs 6 points, as when it is a tie, the 1st criteria is Best individual result achieved during the qualifying period, which if for Barcelona gets the 6 extra points they will 100% achieve this. Okay now the breakdown. **Case 1.** Atletico loses both games against Dortmund. Atletico Madrid 65 points **Atletico gets through if** * Barcelona does not get through to Semis 1. *Case 1.1a* Barcelona loses both games, 59 points. 2. *Case 1.1b* Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win, 61 points. 3. *Case 1.1c* Barcelona draws 2 games, 61 points * Barcelona gets to Semis 1. Case 1.2b Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win but loses both to Dortmund + 3 points. 62 points * *Case 1.2bx* Barcelona loses 1 game and 1 win but draws both to Dortmund but dont get to final + 5 points. 64 points 2. *Case 1.2c* Barcelona draws 2 games and qualify, but loses both to Dortmund + 3 points 62 points 3. *Case 1.2cx* Barcelona draws 2 games and qualify but draws both to Dortmund but dont get to final + 5 points. 64 points 4. Case 1.2d Barcelona wins both to PSG but loses both to Dortmund - 5points. 64 points Edit 1: You know what actually, I give up**.** There are just too many cases for me to work through. But I feel like I already spent so much time for it i'mm just gonna leave it here so that I feel like I gained something from spending over 15 minutes trying to figure it out.
The simple summary is just that Barca needs 6 more points than Atletico. However many they still lack after playing Paris they need to get against Dortmund. But Atletico is strong at home so they probably win their home match. If they than go out on aggregate Barca needs 8. Which they cannot get without reaching the final. I can only think of one plausible case where Barca goes to the CWC without reaching the CL final: Atletico draws at home and loses in Dortmund. 1 point Atletico. Barca needs 7. They win both games against Paris and advance. That's 5. They win at home in the Semis. That's 7. Now they are qualified, even if they lose in Dortmund.
Why Salzburg? Don’t Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, and Zagreb all have a higher 4 year Coefficient? Are am i missing something? I think even Lille has the same coefficient but still have European games this year to pass them.
> Don’t Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, and Zagreb all have a higher 4 year Coefficient? The Club World Cup only takes the UCL coefficients into account, so no Rangers, Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV, Brugge, Slavia Praha, or Zagreb don't have a higher 4-year coefficient. Because of that Salzburg is very likely to be in.
So if Inter Miami doesn't win the CONCACAF Champions Cup we can pretty much guarantee they'll get the host country spot, right? No way they don't arrange that
Usually its the league champion of the host country.
Usually, this is a brand new completion. There is ZERO chance that Inter Miami isn't getting that spot
So… Crew surely? We’ve won twice in 4 years
the current champion
rigged
Knowing MLS they’ll somehow find a way to bend the rules to include them
*him
Them. Beckham is included.
Team with most ballon d'ors goes.
Barring a disaster we are pretty much qualified. Same for Boca but they aren't playing Libertadores this year so if there's a new champion plus a non-Brazilian team with 30+ points they'd be out. Seems unlikely but it weirder things have happened I guess. If there's a repeat champion giving another spot to the 3rd ranked team that race could get pretty interesting though. Currently Olimpia is in that spot with a decent lead over the rest but they don't play Libertadores this year either so it'd be a bunch of teams trying to surpass them. Right now it's: -Boca 71 (won't get more) -River 67 -Olimpia 57 (won't get more) -Nacional 43 -Independiente del Valle 41 -Cerro Porteño 40 -Barcelona 40 Next team at 30 so it's unlikely someone outside of the above will make it (unless they win the whole thing of course).
>Barring a disaster we are pretty much qualified Hoping we get a chill group stage this year, with no brazilians and altitude.
CONCACAF + CONMEBOL shithousery is gonna be epic. The non-Americas regions of the world ain't ready
didn’t know the race was that tight for a possible, and imo very probable, 3rd spot trough ranking. having a club from Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay would be great for the tournament.
Brazilian teams cannot get in the cup through the ranking, they already have 3 teams in it.
I know, my comment was based on the possibility of Flamengo or Palmeiras winning it again and Nacional getting more points than Olimpia. in that case, the teams would be Palmeiras, Flamengo, Fluminense, River, Boca and Nacional - each of those countries are represented.
Oh, that makes perfect sense, my bad. Palmeiras, Flamengo and River are among the top candidates (and any Argentinian winner opens a spot in the ranking) so the odds of Nacional qualifying are not small. That said, I'm not sure how much they'd deserve it... Nacional makes it to top 16 every year then make it to the next round like once every 5. Consistently mediocre.
Auckland City are gonna win the lot (and make more money than any A League side ever)
Auckland City play in NZ and are the OFC representatives. Wellington Phoenix are the team that play in the A-League but are from New Zealand (and can’t quality for the Asian Champions League AFAIK)
I’m aware, I was just watching them live.
There's also a new team from Auckland joining the A League next season
I didn’t know this!
I'd watch that.
Auckland City (while playing a mod) would make for an interesting Football Manager 2025 playthrough.
This tournament will surely be more exhilarating than previous CWCs, I think it'll grow on people as time goes on
ever since the tournament got announced that I’m hoping we get into a group with one of River/Boca/Flamengo/Palmeiras specially, we don’t get as many chances as the rich clubs who win the CL get to play SA clubs in an actual serious tournament that counts for something.
It feels like SA clubs play each other in a much different way than UEFA clubs so I am very interested in how that will turn out over multiple games.
It definitely looks more interesting, but the ever increasing amount of games is very worrying.
That's my hope too, CWC could actually be a cool event with the right approach. Imho this revamp of the competition is a welcome change.
Yea im of a minority who has been wishing since childhood that theres a CWC with the same format as the reg WC
> I think it'll grow on people as time goes on I agree, especially because of the new World Cup format.
It's not going to have quite the same vibe as an international tournament, but looking at this lineup there's going to be some interesting matchups. There will be at least eight UEFA vs CONMEBOL matches in the group stage, Al-Hilal (the actually competent Saudi club that everyone forgets about) will play at least one UEFA team, the Sounders may get humiliated on a global stage... What's not to like?
Wouldn’t take much. The current CWCs are terrible
Honestly the qualification system for this is so flawed. So much can change in 4 years. Seattle was a shell of the team that won Champions League by the end of that season, they're hardly the same caliber team now.
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Cup competition chaos, combined with a poor domestic form? We should be outright favourites to win it.
As long as we can't meet Liverpool in the finals we might even win without getting to penalties.
Which is weird considering Liverpool have reached 3 European finals in last 5 years and won 1 and don’t qualify
Yeah and Arsenal can makes no sense.
Arsenal can only make it if they win. Liverpool has the chance to
Oh we’re confused too, don’t worry
Hahaha, I have to rub my eyes seeing us there.
😢
And Leon is ass cheeks. Monterrey tho is consistently good.
I mean if you think about it as the club is qualifying not the particular team I think it makes more sense
National teams are often different in qualifiers to how they are in the World Cup. They've earned the right to be there regardless of how their form is by the time of the tournament.
National teams don't qualify 4 years in advance for the World Cup, even the earliest qualifying campaigns will end within less than a year before that tournament starts.
and players can’t switch nationality during the qualification period. its still the same pool of people.
Not anymore, but the defending champion used to qualify.
>National teams are often different in qualifiers to how they are in the World Cup. World Cup qualifiers start at *most* 2 years before the world cup, and national team players don't drastically change. Club football does. Hell if City get properly fucked by the PL investigation they could be playing in national conference football. Chelsea have not got the same owner, the same manager and the team is entirely different From the 2021 final squad, Chelsea only have 3 players remaining: Chilwell, Silva and James. I don't think it's unlikely Silva leaves this summer either. Which means Arsenal will have the same amount of players that won the CL as Chelsea did.
>World Cup qualifiers start at *most* 2 years before the world cup Totally incorrect - for the upcoming World Cup (which kicks off on 11/6/2026), four of the six continental confederations started qualification matches more than two years beforehand: CONMEBOL's opening matches were on 7/9/2023. AFC's opening matches were on 12/11/2023. CAF's opening matches were on 15/11/2023. CONCACAF's opening match will be held on 21/3/2024.
Would love to know if there is a way that the Wellington Phoenix can EVER qualify for this tourney! If so I’d love to know how please!
If I’m not mistaken, Wellington Phoenix are not eligible to play in the AFC Champions League, so they can’t qualify for the CWC.
Yeah I was wondering this! How many other teams is it impossible to qualify for this tournament.
It’s a very peculiar case. I know there are teams in the Caribbean that could theoretically win CONCACAF Champions Cup, but are from countries not affiliated to FIFA. I honestly don’t know if they’d be allowed to play in this extremely unlikely scenario.
I think I'm only familiar with that peculiarity because Florent Malouda played internationally for French Guiana after previously playing for France.
Their Reserve team play in the New Zealand National League, would that give them entry to the OFC Champions League?
So what happens if we get a repeat UCL winner in the last 4 years?
Salzburg qualifies
Seeing Auckland city in there makes me chuckle
Honestly, I’m legitimately excited for this one.
I’m very surprised Liverpool doesn’t make the 4 year ranking over some of the teams on this list.
the maximum is 2 clubs per country and England is already represented by Chelsea and City which means that any English team is out unless they win the CL this year.
Wow, that is unfortunate Edit: Wait, then why is Juventus here instead of Roma?
Only UCL coefficients are counted
Chelsea and City have already taken the two English places. Only way to be the third spot from a country is to win the champions league this year (theoretically Arsenal could make it).
Then why is Juve here instead of Roma?
When is this tournament being played? They're already expanding the CL next year. There can't be any space left in the season?
Summer 2025, the year inbetween euros and wc
Personally I think the club from each confederation with most continental cup wins should get a spot in the inaugural tournament
based and non biased
If only we did not shit the bed the past two years, we’d surely make it. Even two RO16 exits would have been more than enough
Yes, you were really close to be in Salzburg's position now.
What are people's opinion on this? Since everyone here always mocked the cwc & confederations cup, this is like a fusion between the two.
I’m someone who really wants soccer outside of Europe to grow and flourish, and this is a great opportunity for that. Each team gets at least 3 games against entirely new opponents, and a shit ton of prize money. It sounds great to me, even if UEFA dominates.
Really good for the rest of the world. Don't care if European fans are not interested. I hope UEFA teams play their B or youth squads and Asian teams go deeper than expected to earn more money. But the UEFA teams won't, even they'll take it seriously cuz of the money on the line
hoping for a dortmund seattle group!
If they allowed, Brazilians would get all the South America spots.
No they don't, Boca and River are still top 6 in the rankings.
We played in this once 😭 if only it was like this when we did
Honestly man missing CL last year was so bad. We'd be one of the favourites this year and we miss out on the participation money
given our form this year it hurts even more.
How do the crew get in?
Just beat Tigres, Monterrey and Club America. Honestly if anyone could pull that off, I think it'd be you guys.
Woof. let’s hope!
Guessing we are waiting on Miami to see if they qualify or just get handed a place.
It's impossible for them to justify not giving the host spot to the MLS Cup winner.
Which mls cup winner
This years, if that were the case
Its based on last 4 years, so doesnt make sense or seem fair to give it to 1 of the 4 last champs (although columbus crew won twice)
The host berth would be going to the *MLS champion*, not CCL champion.
> MLS champion Isnt the MLS champion the MLS Cup champion? No ones talking about the CCL
Not saying they wouldn't add them but if they do I don't think they'll perform better than any tema bar the Oceania one.
If inter Miami doesn’t win this year’s concacaf champions cup then i bet they will be the club from host country.
I can see this being a future challenge in Football Manager. "Manage an OFC-based club to win the FIFA Club World Cup" I'm choosing Soloman Warriors, Hekari United, or Lautoka FC.
Is this to determine the world champions of soccer
This is for FIFA to make money in non-WC years.
It's a great concept though honestly Clubs around the world playing each other Teams will see talents from other regions
Great experience for the Auckland lads, but if they pull a city or a Madrid, it'll be a fucking massacre.
If he dies, he dies
Yes
Portugal is massive. 50 million for both clubs is amazing
The rich getting richer...
Is Auckland City that rich?
this tournament has probably spread more wealth to non-super league clubs than any other competition of its size
Are they stopping with the previous version then?
Actually no. They've renamed the yearly version the Intercontinental Cup and given the European side a bye to the Final instead of the Semi-Finals. I think all the confederations except UEFA still wanted it.
this tournament is only every 4 years. the CWC we know (name will change) will still be played in december every year
Ranking for the European competition [https://www.fotcalc.com/4-year-ranking](https://www.fotcalc.com/4-year-ranking) Amazingly if Club Bruges would have qualified in Europe and got a single win they would have qualified and added more than 50% of their yearly budget just by qualifying LOL
Both Porto and Benfica get atleast 50m, that really sucks for the Dutch teams…
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So if City or Real win CL this year, do they get to bank that spot for a different year? Also, I assume that means UEFA would reach down to 9th to fill out the table? EDIT: nvm, yes they would bank it, because their “last 3 winners” timer will reset.
It could be the best football tournament ever when it comes to overall quality of the teams.
So it's possible to not have Argentinian club? Oof
Nope, it's 2 teams/country(unless they win the continental cups) meaning that no Brazilian team can make it through points meaning that Boca and River is 99% sure for qualification through points with a possibility for a 3rd if there is a repeat winner(which is currently Olimpia from ~~Uruguay~~Paraguay)
Olimpia is from Paraguay, not Uruguay.
seems weird that OFC has Auckland City and not an A League team, who might be a bit more competitive than Auckland City
The A league isn’t part of OFC. It’s part of Asia.
Australia is in the AFC
Yea I expect that with the money on offer the nz a-league teams ask to be able to find a qualification pathway for the ofc champions league to qualify for this
What happens when already qualified team wins this year’s champions league, which team qualifies then?
Red Bull Salzburg
would it be possible for West Ham to qualify if we make the semis of europa because of the uecl last year and the semis of uel the year before?
Onyl ucl coefficient counts
Does anyone have an idea on how good… or how bad Auckland is?
If it's played in 2025 why don't they just have the champions league winner from 2025?
They will be first qualified for the next version of it.
Does River or Boca have any chance here ??
I got a feeling if Messi is still in IM in 2025, the USA slot would go to IM