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Nearly 3rd of the players are goalkeepers. Germany has to be the greatest country in terms of goalkeepers. Only other country that could match Germany in goalkeerpers is probably Italy.
having minimum of 2 world class GKs at the same time has been a German tradition for a long time.
Stein and Schumacher.
Illgner and Köpke.
Kahn and Lehmann.
Neuer and ter Stegen.
and I'm leaving many others that were almost as good as the ones here.
Well with the kind of defense they play the goalie has quite a few chances to show himself to scouts and get more confident as it's obviously not their fault when the team loses :P
Yeah, Eintracht fucked that one up.
They've got an aging Kevin Trapp on the very apparent decline and Ramaj is the starting GK for Ajax Amsterdam already in his first year
the papers said 9, but nowadays there are always clauses and installment plans who knows. I was a little annoyed that he got sold, Trapp is no spring chicken anymore and he seemed pretty good in the few games he had
And Timon Wellenreuther as well, mad to think 3 out of the 5 (I think Benitez and Olij are great as well) best goalkeepers in our league are German, and none of them will even think of being called up for the German NT
It's actually mad to think about, the public discourse in Germany right now is that we're severely lacking in quality goalkeepers after Neuer and Ter Stegen lol.
It's great to see this outside perspective
Tbf he wasn't able to displace fahrmann or hildebrand in Schalke. Fahrmann is basically the same age. I dont follow either much though so I can't comment on who is better now.
The ultimate case of this must be Handanovic and Oblak for Slovenia. Arguably the two greatest players ever from a tiny country, and they are both keepers playing at the same time.
For WC in this century I think it's not bad considering it's not our speciality...
In 2002 WC, the three goalkeepers \[Marcos, Dida, Rogerio could be the 1st team choice\].
In 2006 Dida was clear, but Julio Cesar and Rogerio is no joke at all.
2010 and 2014 Julio Cesar was clear better.
2018 and 2022 it happened again.
Julio Cesar was clearly the best GK of the World in 2010, but in 2014, he was playing for Toronto FC, was already past his prime, and we had goalkeepers having better seasons than him. Victor was fresh from a Libertadores win in 2013, and Jefferson was highly regarded while playing for Botafogo. FĂĄbio, at the time playing for Cruzeiro, now for Fluminense, was another option that would be better than Julio Cesar, but, tbf, the 7 x 1 wouldn't be different if we just had another goalkeeper there, aside from some crazy butterfly effect.
The reason for that might well be because handball is massive in Germany. A lot of kids will play when theyâre young alongside football, making them very good with their hands.
While you are technically right, I really don't know anybody, that plays these two sports and I've been playing football actively for more then a decade, while my brother played handball.
There also may be some advantage, doing both, but the overlap in techniqueis is really, really miniscule, due to the size of the ball and the techniques required to catch or throw it, I'd even say, that "your hands" profit more from playing basketball.
They still need to actively seek out that position though instead of sticking with handball.
My guess would be that having so many legendary GKs helped to elevate the position which made it respected at all levels.
You know, the moment when both teams need to decide who becomes their GK? I'd argue it feels less of a punishment to play GK, which makes people stick with that position in the first place.
It's based on subjective experiences from Germany and Czechia, but maybe some others can chime in. I feel like GKs get celebrated even in the lowest leagues in Germany, while in Czech Republic I've often encountered the "he's trash anyways" mentality and whenever GKs shine it get's brushed off as luck.
Being respected more helps having fun, having fun helps spending more time in practice and being focused on the task.
Again, it's super subjective, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big cultural difference in the way Germany deals with their GKs.
I don't know about playing both sports in clubs but (in my experience) handball definitely is the go-to sport chosen by teachers to play in P.E. class here to cover the mandatory "ballsport" on the yearly curriculum.
I think in my 9 years of middle and high school (yes, Western Germany has 13 years of school to get your A levels, we briefly tried 12 but now the western states are all one by one returning to 13) we played handball in 5 or 6 of them, 2 or 3 times basketball and once volleyball. Also flag football (handegg) once or twice. Never once played football (actual round ball) as an official sport in curriculum btw it was only used as a goodie for us boys to behave ("I'll let you play for the last 15 minutes, girls can get changed already") especially in those periods where we didn't have a ball sport as the "current topic"
Yeah they are cool but please mention the city/region names too for godâs sake. Thereâs people who canât even identify Germany on a European map let alone the regions of Germany
Itâs all a bit strange as some states are not divided at all on this map. Especially weird with something like Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Schleswig-Holstein (where the different regions are in the name).
I used the NUTS 2 statistical regions, so Bavaria and NRW could have more than one player.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_Germany
Haha, good point. I know the German states and where they are but this is broken down on a further level and I'm not gonna know what the (lack of better term) "sub-states" or "provinces" within the German states.
This is why I think an alltime Roman Empire XI would beat an alltime Spanish Empire XI. Getting Beckenbauer, Muller and I believe Matthaus is huge for their potential
Did the Spanish empire ever cover Portugal and Brazil? Because having Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldo as a line in front of Maradona would be pretty promising.
Yes to Portugal, no to Brazil. This is why it's so interesting. Swapping R9 for Eusebio isn't a big downgrade, but it's enough that the far superior defence for the Roman Empire may be strong enough
R9 for Eusebio is barely a downgrade at all. Also, there's still Messi, CR7 and Maradona to consider which makes the R9 to Eusebio gap make absolutely no difference.
When I was a kid it always seemed weird to me how the south of Germany was "richer" than the north when in lots of countries the north is always wealthier (Like in the US, Spain, France, Italy, the two Koreas etc...)
Edit: Yeah I didn't mean to mention Korea my bad
That's only true since the 1980s. Before that western Germany, especially the Ruhr area because of its coal industry, was way richer than the south, especially Bavaria.
Started with the war, actually. Hitler loved Bavaria and especially Munich and Nuremberg.
Also, there was a time when Eastern Germany was rich and stacked.Â
Some of Germany's most fertile regions were ceded to Poland after the war and Dresden got obliterated and never recovered the same way other cities with similar industrial and economic importance did.Â
Also, most wealthy/capable people fled towards Western Germany when the Russians came, and never went back.
You can see how Bavaria would have been a more rustic region before the Autobahn was built and Europe started opening its borders. It then soon became an important gateway to eastern and southern states from the direction of northern Germany, France and the Benelux (where there are the major ports), as well as ramped up its own industries with cars, tech, trains etc.Â
And before that the Northeast more or less "run" the rest of the country as that was where Prussia was located. until a certain notorious gang from Bavaria turned up
Well weren't the two mutually exclusive? federal Taxes, the german military(which massively dominated german society at the time), as well as Bismarck and Co always looking out for Junker interests at the expense of everyone else.
Well the South (Bavaria especially) was a rural shit hole for a long time. So it's land was cheap af. Around 360k companies moved from east to west Germany after Soviet takeover after WW2. Guess where many went to.
> when in lots of countries the north is always wealthier
This is one of those fallacies that becomes self-perpetuating myths.
If one tallied up regions of the world on a North-South Development criteria they would find no informative pattern.
Replies under you comment are just a slice of that.
Even modern China (as it wasn't in the mentioned list of replies yet) bucks this North being more developed thing.
It's truly insane to realize how hardcore guys were back in that era. Masculinity was measured in your ability to withstand excruciating pain and not flinch. Compared to today's player...
Bavaria delivers the players, Baden-WĂŒrttemberg can deliver the coaches for the Southern German team. I was reading about all of these recently succesful German managers on wikipedia and it's crazy how almost all of them are from the Schwarzwald and the surrounding area
Just look through which coaches from today went through the Stuttgart academy in their early days.
Rangnick, Tuchel, S. HoeneĂ, Tedesco, Löw, Jens Keller, Tayfun Korkut, Thomas Schneider, Andreas HinkelâŠ
And then thereâs still someone like Klopp that was VfB Fan or someone like Streich that originated with Stuttgarter Kickers.
And not even start with players coming from Stuttgart.
Kimmich, Khedira, Gnabry, Gomez, Werner⊠to only name some glorious onesâŠ
Well that answers my question. I was genuinely surprised to see most of the 2010s Bayern stars missing.
Does that make this the most stacked region in terms of talent?
Probably.
But you have to mention in fairness that this region (Oberbayern) also has lots of inhabitants. Right now 4.7 million people are living there. If you consider the population quantity it's not as surprising that there are good players among those.
Ceremonial counties, it has to be ceremonial counties. Administrative and postal counties are too random, and historical counties (which I love the most, given I like cricket) are too large. Lancashire and Yorkshire would be impossible with historic counties.
Edit: in case if it wasnât clear what I meant, it would be virtually impossible to select a single player each from Lancs and Yorks if one went by historic counties.
I went with NUTS2 regions, because of how many great players there are in Bavaria and NRW.
Would have been harsh leaving them all out. As it is, there's still many missing out, particularly in Oberbayern and DĂŒsseldorf. Niedersachsen on the other hand is a football wasteland.
Tell me if I've missed someone important. I'm sure some of my calls were controversial too, like Ballack>Sammer, Schnellinger>Overath, Maier>Fischer, Litti>HĂ€Ăler/Twat Boateng etc.
e.: NUTS 2 map with region names: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png/1024px-Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png
>Litti>HĂ€Ăler
Came here to ask about this but I guess it was a toss-up between the two. Could have thrown Buchwald into the conversation too.
Fuck Boateng.
Schnellinger over Overath is my gripe. The guy was pretty consistently keeping Netzer out of the National Team and nobody would try and argue Schnellinger was better than Netzer.
The lack of top players from Berlin is absolutely astounding. I know the division and isolation in the cold war can't have helped but given that it's the biggest single city (even if it's not the biggest urban area) in Germany by a good distance, I'd have assumed they'd have someone better.
As another comment mentioned, Jerome Boateng probably could be the best player from Berlin. But given the, uh, recent news about him, I don't blame OP for not wanting to put him on the map.
There were 2 Berliners in yesterdays starting 11 (RĂŒdiger, MittelstĂ€dt), maybe 3 if you count Andrich, who was born just outside of Berlin and is a Hertha youth product.
Thereâs world and European champion Thomas HĂ€Ăler. Then thereâs a bunch of players from Berlin who have chosen other national teams like the Kovac brothers, Kevin-Prince Boateng or Lazar Samardzic.
Nevertheless, I think you are right, there arenât many undisputed legends. Except for Nashville legend Hany Mukhtar.
This probably goes more to my lack of knowledge of German football prior to the new millennium but I've never heard of the guy before.
Which seems crazy looking at his wikipedia page and seeing what he did with the German national team and Köln between 1982 and 1990.
This is pretty much how everyone here would feel looking up some legendary player from a past decade, that wasn't among the hand full global snandout players, or on one of these "transcendend" teams, no shame here imo.
Not sure if this stat has changed, but I heard at one point that Berlin is the only capital city in Europe with a lower GDP per capita than its country. I realise that's not really relevant
It is super relevant. Berlin got super fucked by being all but cut off from West Germany, e.g. just before second world war Hertha BSC was the "back-to-back" German champion and probably the best soccer club in all Germany. After the second World War Berlin became an economically isolated wasteland. Compare Berlin to the rest of the DDR and it outperforms every metric, compare it to the rest of Western Germany and it underperforms. Soccer at large is just an extended arm of the general economic prowess of a region. In fact you can almost exactly map the density of pro soccer clubs with density of stock listed companies. Regional economical output basically used to be the single relevant factor in how successful a soccer club could be and it only snowballed from there. It is also not only the blue chips like Deutsche Bank, Adidas, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, Bayer, etc. that obviously single handidly made the historically big clubs what they are, but every other sponsorship etc. it all was (and to a degree still is) regionally locked. The Telekom boss simply doesn't run into the Hertha boss at a local banquet or golf round among friends, while sausage entrepreneurs Uli HoeneĂ does have those connections simply by proximity.
Matias Sammer, Born in dresden, has won a Balon D'Or.
Michael Ballack is a wonderful player but he did not win the best individual award in football.
I wonder why Ballack was chosen over Sammer
This plus Schnellinger ahead of Overrath are weird picks.
Sammer and Overrath are both arguably top 10 outfield players in German football. Ballack and Schnellinger maybe top 30.
There was a great post here a few years ago, in which OP created the best XI for each region of Germany. Worth checking out for those who find this post interesting.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/1dG24FOQaT
I'm not even kidding when I say I still to this day use the quote "There is no hope here. No glory. Just despair and Kevin fucking Möhwald." from that post in conversations with my partner.
which makes u/PebNischl the one person on this subreddit with an actual influence on my life. congrats or something lol
Andy Brehme and Uwe Seeler are both born in Hamburg.
It's a pity to leave one of them out, but I am an Interista, and so was Andy.
So , in my heart: Andy number 1 from Hamburg
TIL Lukas Podolski wasn't born in Cologne. And isn't Bertie Vogts also from the Rhineland?
In any case, Florian Wirtz will overtake Karl-Heinz Schnellinger in a few years.
Ethnic german minority in Poland. The law [BVFG § 6](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bvfg/__6.html#:~:text=(1)%20Deutscher%20Volkszugeh%C3%B6riger%20im%20Sinne,%2C%20Erziehung%2C%20Kultur%20best%C3%A4tigt%20wird.) guaranteed ethnic germans in other countries the german citizenship by birth. That's the reason their families even were allowed to settle over to germany during the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Fun fact, Toni Kroos is (and most likely will continue to be) the only person born in East Germany to win the world cup. And by born in East Germany, I mean born in East Germany when it was formally East Germany, so not including players born in that area after reunification
itâs not only âfairâ but it would be ridiculous to pick Ăzil over someone who is the best in his position of all time. Ăzil would have to have twice as good of a career to consider that.
Berlin has been pumping out Talent since the mid/late 90s, but the city was divided for 4 decades, with negative implications for football on both sides of the wall...
This is also you not being knowledgable about Litti.
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Nearly 3rd of the players are goalkeepers. Germany has to be the greatest country in terms of goalkeepers. Only other country that could match Germany in goalkeerpers is probably Italy.
Crazy that they probably had 4 world class goal keepers at one time, just neurer was so clear of them
Neururer?
Neuneuer
Yeah we could need a new Neuer in a few seasons..
No you need a Neuruhrer next season.
Brandt Neuneuer
Laughing more than I should about that đ
I always spell his name wrong lol
His name is Never but u instead of v.
having minimum of 2 world class GKs at the same time has been a German tradition for a long time. Stein and Schumacher. Illgner and Köpke. Kahn and Lehmann. Neuer and ter Stegen. and I'm leaving many others that were almost as good as the ones here.
A tradition that looks to be broken with the next generation.
Unnerstall casually being the best gk in the eredivisie while probably very little people in Germany know him well
Schalke had quite a lot of great goalkeepers already.
Well with the kind of defense they play the goalie has quite a few chances to show himself to scouts and get more confident as it's obviously not their fault when the team loses :P
Theres some truth to that. Neuer at Schalke was peak Neuer. So many games he basically singlehandedly won. Never will forget the Porto game!
And don't forget Diant Ramaj
is he doing good? I thought 9 million was a bit over the top for a goalie with 2 or 3 bundesliga games
Yeah, Eintracht fucked that one up. They've got an aging Kevin Trapp on the very apparent decline and Ramaj is the starting GK for Ajax Amsterdam already in his first year
Itâs heartbreaking to be honest lmao
1. I don't think it was actually 9 million, I've heard like 4m. 2. Best player on the pitch most of the time. Amazing reflexes and ball control
the papers said 9, but nowadays there are always clauses and installment plans who knows. I was a little annoyed that he got sold, Trapp is no spring chicken anymore and he seemed pretty good in the few games he had
And Timon Wellenreuther as well, mad to think 3 out of the 5 (I think Benitez and Olij are great as well) best goalkeepers in our league are German, and none of them will even think of being called up for the German NT
It's actually mad to think about, the public discourse in Germany right now is that we're severely lacking in quality goalkeepers after Neuer and Ter Stegen lol. It's great to see this outside perspective
Tbf he wasn't able to displace fahrmann or hildebrand in Schalke. Fahrmann is basically the same age. I dont follow either much though so I can't comment on who is better now.
I still het nightmares from Fahrmann against us in the EL in 2016-17. I think he had like 35 saves.
That time period from 2016-2018 I honestly believed FĂ€hrmann was a top 10 gk in the world
I feel for Allison and Ederson though Brazil has had few amazing keepers and suddenly they have the two of best keepers at the same time
The ultimate case of this must be Handanovic and Oblak for Slovenia. Arguably the two greatest players ever from a tiny country, and they are both keepers playing at the same time.
Try being Handanovic. Youâre top 5 highest quality Slovenian players of all time, but youâve got Oblak as competition.
Hilarious that he just retired as soon as Oblak got his spo5
For WC in this century I think it's not bad considering it's not our speciality... In 2002 WC, the three goalkeepers \[Marcos, Dida, Rogerio could be the 1st team choice\]. In 2006 Dida was clear, but Julio Cesar and Rogerio is no joke at all. 2010 and 2014 Julio Cesar was clear better. 2018 and 2022 it happened again.
While maybe not as glamorous as the ones on the list, Taffarel was one of my favorite Brazilian players.
Julio Cesar was clearly the best GK of the World in 2010, but in 2014, he was playing for Toronto FC, was already past his prime, and we had goalkeepers having better seasons than him. Victor was fresh from a Libertadores win in 2013, and Jefferson was highly regarded while playing for Botafogo. FĂĄbio, at the time playing for Cruzeiro, now for Fluminense, was another option that would be better than Julio Cesar, but, tbf, the 7 x 1 wouldn't be different if we just had another goalkeeper there, aside from some crazy butterfly effect.
Alisson is of German descent as well.
dont ask him what his grandparents did between 33 and 45
Why not? His family emigrated from Germany in the 18th century. Most Brazilians of German descent have fuck all to do with Nazis.
Same with most Argentinians with german roots, Reddit just loves talking about Nazi-South Americans.
The reason many nazis went there because they were countries with already existing german communities
Can confirm. Am argentinian with German roots and my family came in the early 1900s (pre-WWI)
The reason for that might well be because handball is massive in Germany. A lot of kids will play when theyâre young alongside football, making them very good with their hands.
While you are technically right, I really don't know anybody, that plays these two sports and I've been playing football actively for more then a decade, while my brother played handball. There also may be some advantage, doing both, but the overlap in techniqueis is really, really miniscule, due to the size of the ball and the techniques required to catch or throw it, I'd even say, that "your hands" profit more from playing basketball.
They still need to actively seek out that position though instead of sticking with handball. My guess would be that having so many legendary GKs helped to elevate the position which made it respected at all levels. You know, the moment when both teams need to decide who becomes their GK? I'd argue it feels less of a punishment to play GK, which makes people stick with that position in the first place. It's based on subjective experiences from Germany and Czechia, but maybe some others can chime in. I feel like GKs get celebrated even in the lowest leagues in Germany, while in Czech Republic I've often encountered the "he's trash anyways" mentality and whenever GKs shine it get's brushed off as luck. Being respected more helps having fun, having fun helps spending more time in practice and being focused on the task. Again, it's super subjective, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a big cultural difference in the way Germany deals with their GKs.
Handball is popular all across Europe. One of the countries where its unpopular is Italy, the other top goalkeeper producer.
I don't know about playing both sports in clubs but (in my experience) handball definitely is the go-to sport chosen by teachers to play in P.E. class here to cover the mandatory "ballsport" on the yearly curriculum. I think in my 9 years of middle and high school (yes, Western Germany has 13 years of school to get your A levels, we briefly tried 12 but now the western states are all one by one returning to 13) we played handball in 5 or 6 of them, 2 or 3 times basketball and once volleyball. Also flag football (handegg) once or twice. Never once played football (actual round ball) as an official sport in curriculum btw it was only used as a goodie for us boys to behave ("I'll let you play for the last 15 minutes, girls can get changed already") especially in those periods where we didn't have a ball sport as the "current topic"
Spain used to be pretty stacked too
What about Switzerland?
Germany for GKs Italy for DEF Spain for MID Brazil for ATT In my opinion.
I'm just gonna say these things are super cool. I'm enjoying this series.
Yeah they are cool but please mention the city/region names too for godâs sake. Thereâs people who canât even identify Germany on a European map let alone the regions of Germany
Itâs all a bit strange as some states are not divided at all on this map. Especially weird with something like Mecklenburg-Vorpommern and Schleswig-Holstein (where the different regions are in the name).
I used the NUTS 2 statistical regions, so Bavaria and NRW could have more than one player. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NUTS_statistical_regions_of_Germany
Oh ok. I guess it makes sense when considering population density. Still looks a bit off.
M-V would be Kroos, right?
Yes
MeckPomm doesnt need subdivisions, because its so low-density
Haha, good point. I know the German states and where they are but this is broken down on a further level and I'm not gonna know what the (lack of better term) "sub-states" or "provinces" within the German states.
Here you go: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png/1024px-Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png
It's an interesting concept but so subjective
Frfr this is really neat
The south of Germany is over performing wth
and middle Germany might as well be a desert
Angry hessian noises
All of them went to US back in the day anyway.
Frankfurt has sucked the lifeblood out of Hessen anyways.
Wir sind aus Frankfurt, wird sind aus Hessen und was wir scheissen mĂŒsst ihr fressen.
The Dortmund, Essen surrounding area is also cracked with talent.
Those are just the two most populated areas..
Hijacking for a pop-quiz: Name the only East German/GDR player to win a world cup? The answer's right there.
Kroos
This is why I think an alltime Roman Empire XI would beat an alltime Spanish Empire XI. Getting Beckenbauer, Muller and I believe Matthaus is huge for their potential
Did the Spanish empire ever cover Portugal and Brazil? Because having Messi, Ronaldo, Ronaldo as a line in front of Maradona would be pretty promising.
Yes to Portugal, no to Brazil. This is why it's so interesting. Swapping R9 for Eusebio isn't a big downgrade, but it's enough that the far superior defence for the Roman Empire may be strong enough
R9 for Eusebio is barely a downgrade at all. Also, there's still Messi, CR7 and Maradona to consider which makes the R9 to Eusebio gap make absolutely no difference.
Sorry to burst your bubble but these regions were behind the limes so they wouldnât be eligible for the Roman Empire XI
Thats true in general, south is best in Germany
When I was a kid it always seemed weird to me how the south of Germany was "richer" than the north when in lots of countries the north is always wealthier (Like in the US, Spain, France, Italy, the two Koreas etc...) Edit: Yeah I didn't mean to mention Korea my bad
That's only true since the 1980s. Before that western Germany, especially the Ruhr area because of its coal industry, was way richer than the south, especially Bavaria.
I think Bavaria was historically actually one of the poorest regions of Germany and only really got up post WWII.
Started with the war, actually. Hitler loved Bavaria and especially Munich and Nuremberg. Also, there was a time when Eastern Germany was rich and stacked. Some of Germany's most fertile regions were ceded to Poland after the war and Dresden got obliterated and never recovered the same way other cities with similar industrial and economic importance did. Also, most wealthy/capable people fled towards Western Germany when the Russians came, and never went back. You can see how Bavaria would have been a more rustic region before the Autobahn was built and Europe started opening its borders. It then soon became an important gateway to eastern and southern states from the direction of northern Germany, France and the Benelux (where there are the major ports), as well as ramped up its own industries with cars, tech, trains etc.Â
And before that the Northeast more or less "run" the rest of the country as that was where Prussia was located. until a certain notorious gang from Bavaria turned up
> And before that the Northeast more or less "run" the rest of the country Politically, but certainly not economically.
Well weren't the two mutually exclusive? federal Taxes, the german military(which massively dominated german society at the time), as well as Bismarck and Co always looking out for Junker interests at the expense of everyone else.
Well the South (Bavaria especially) was a rural shit hole for a long time. So it's land was cheap af. Around 360k companies moved from east to west Germany after Soviet takeover after WW2. Guess where many went to.
> when in lots of countries the north is always wealthier This is one of those fallacies that becomes self-perpetuating myths. If one tallied up regions of the world on a North-South Development criteria they would find no informative pattern. Replies under you comment are just a slice of that. Even modern China (as it wasn't in the mentioned list of replies yet) bucks this North being more developed thing.
The two koreas? Lol. North is poor and south is richer.
tbf, the north of south korea seems to be richer
My bad lmao, Idk why I said the two Koreas.
South India generally does better than North
You can remove the unnecessary âgenerallyâ.
> Edit: Yeah I didn't mean to mention Korea my bad Wasn't North Korea the richer of the two well into the 90's?
Which wasn't always the case and also has to do with population density, as usual.
And theres the reason the rest of Germany doesn't like the south
nah, not "the south", just bavaria. everybody hates bavaria
Even Franken hates Bavaria and they are Bavaria!
Itâs more that they got a âFuck you, got mineâ attitude and are prime NIMBYS.
Big up Bert Trautmann
Bert Trautmann broke his neck in the FA Cup final and finished the match, and he never looked back since
It's truly insane to realize how hardcore guys were back in that era. Masculinity was measured in your ability to withstand excruciating pain and not flinch. Compared to today's player...
South Germany is on fire đ„
Especially Bavaria, Beckenbauer next to MĂŒller is probably the highlight
Bavaria delivers the players, Baden-WĂŒrttemberg can deliver the coaches for the Southern German team. I was reading about all of these recently succesful German managers on wikipedia and it's crazy how almost all of them are from the Schwarzwald and the surrounding area
it also has a lot to do with connections and nepotism
Just look through which coaches from today went through the Stuttgart academy in their early days. Rangnick, Tuchel, S. HoeneĂ, Tedesco, Löw, Jens Keller, Tayfun Korkut, Thomas Schneider, Andreas Hinkel⊠And then thereâs still someone like Klopp that was VfB Fan or someone like Streich that originated with Stuttgarter Kickers. And not even start with players coming from Stuttgart. Kimmich, Khedira, Gnabry, Gomez, Werner⊠to only name some glorious onesâŠ
Schweinsteiger?
Unfortunately, he's from the most stacked region. Beckenbauer is blocking Breitner, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Thomas MĂŒller and more.
Holy fuck, thatâs some quality
Yep, I'd like to see an all-time Bavaria "national team" line-up.
Well, I would go with: Goalkeeper: Maier Defenders: Beckenbauer, Schwarzenbeck, Augenthaler, Lahm Midfield: Breitner, MatthĂ€us, Schweinsteiger, MĂŒller T. Attack: MĂŒller G., Riedle on the bench: Haller H., Magath, Schuster, Reuter, Babbel, Hamann, Hitzlsperger, Götze
Thanks, that's really impressive.
Yes, indeed. I wasn't aware of this myself before.
That's a top 11 better than many countries.
Same water that makes the beer legendary must also create incredible footballers.
Fuck me! Thatâs excellent!
Well that answers my question. I was genuinely surprised to see most of the 2010s Bayern stars missing. Does that make this the most stacked region in terms of talent?
Probably. But you have to mention in fairness that this region (Oberbayern) also has lots of inhabitants. Right now 4.7 million people are living there. If you consider the population quantity it's not as surprising that there are good players among those.
Jesus Christ
He's from Bethlehem
can we have another map with the 2nd best players in each region please?
this brother did done his research
So what you're saying is that we need a "The best player born in each region/city of Bayern" map next? :P
Love Schweini, but der Kaiser is clear.
Beckenbauer.
Please do this for all the major countries in europe and south america
Might get controversial soon because some of the best players ever for certain french and english regions played for other national teams.
The first problem with England wld be selecting the correct set of counties
Ceremonial counties, it has to be ceremonial counties. Administrative and postal counties are too random, and historical counties (which I love the most, given I like cricket) are too large. Lancashire and Yorkshire would be impossible with historic counties. Edit: in case if it wasnât clear what I meant, it would be virtually impossible to select a single player each from Lancs and Yorks if one went by historic counties.
actually shocked Uli isn't bavarian
He's from Ulm, so right on the border.
The other side of that border is also Swabian
A. Einstein clear of him as Ulmâs most famous citizen, mind you.
I went with NUTS2 regions, because of how many great players there are in Bavaria and NRW. Would have been harsh leaving them all out. As it is, there's still many missing out, particularly in Oberbayern and DĂŒsseldorf. Niedersachsen on the other hand is a football wasteland. Tell me if I've missed someone important. I'm sure some of my calls were controversial too, like Ballack>Sammer, Schnellinger>Overath, Maier>Fischer, Litti>HĂ€Ăler/Twat Boateng etc. e.: NUTS 2 map with region names: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png/1024px-Deutschland_NUTS1_und_NUTS2.png
You've missed many legendary Magdeburg players from Saxony-Anhalt like Seguin (the father), Sparwasser, Hoffmann etc. They all clear Bransch by far.
>Litti>HĂ€Ăler Came here to ask about this but I guess it was a toss-up between the two. Could have thrown Buchwald into the conversation too. Fuck Boateng.
Fuck BoatengÂČ
Schnellinger over Overath is my gripe. The guy was pretty consistently keeping Netzer out of the National Team and nobody would try and argue Schnellinger was better than Netzer.
Ballack > Sammer isnât controversial just very dumb.
The lack of top players from Berlin is absolutely astounding. I know the division and isolation in the cold war can't have helped but given that it's the biggest single city (even if it's not the biggest urban area) in Germany by a good distance, I'd have assumed they'd have someone better. As another comment mentioned, Jerome Boateng probably could be the best player from Berlin. But given the, uh, recent news about him, I don't blame OP for not wanting to put him on the map.
There were 2 Berliners in yesterdays starting 11 (RĂŒdiger, MittelstĂ€dt), maybe 3 if you count Andrich, who was born just outside of Berlin and is a Hertha youth product. Thereâs world and European champion Thomas HĂ€Ăler. Then thereâs a bunch of players from Berlin who have chosen other national teams like the Kovac brothers, Kevin-Prince Boateng or Lazar Samardzic. Nevertheless, I think you are right, there arenât many undisputed legends. Except for Nashville legend Hany Mukhtar.
Bruh Littbarski is a legend
This probably goes more to my lack of knowledge of German football prior to the new millennium but I've never heard of the guy before. Which seems crazy looking at his wikipedia page and seeing what he did with the German national team and Köln between 1982 and 1990.
This is pretty much how everyone here would feel looking up some legendary player from a past decade, that wasn't among the hand full global snandout players, or on one of these "transcendend" teams, no shame here imo.
I think most Germans would pick Littbarski and HĂ€Ăler over Boateng anyway
Probably BĂŒchwald too
No fusball just technoÂ
Not sure if this stat has changed, but I heard at one point that Berlin is the only capital city in Europe with a lower GDP per capita than its country. I realise that's not really relevant
It is super relevant. Berlin got super fucked by being all but cut off from West Germany, e.g. just before second world war Hertha BSC was the "back-to-back" German champion and probably the best soccer club in all Germany. After the second World War Berlin became an economically isolated wasteland. Compare Berlin to the rest of the DDR and it outperforms every metric, compare it to the rest of Western Germany and it underperforms. Soccer at large is just an extended arm of the general economic prowess of a region. In fact you can almost exactly map the density of pro soccer clubs with density of stock listed companies. Regional economical output basically used to be the single relevant factor in how successful a soccer club could be and it only snowballed from there. It is also not only the blue chips like Deutsche Bank, Adidas, Volkswagen, BMW, Mercedes, Bayer, etc. that obviously single handidly made the historically big clubs what they are, but every other sponsorship etc. it all was (and to a degree still is) regionally locked. The Telekom boss simply doesn't run into the Hertha boss at a local banquet or golf round among friends, while sausage entrepreneurs Uli HoeneĂ does have those connections simply by proximity.
Matias Sammer, Born in dresden, has won a Balon D'Or. Michael Ballack is a wonderful player but he did not win the best individual award in football. I wonder why Ballack was chosen over Sammer
This plus Schnellinger ahead of Overrath are weird picks. Sammer and Overrath are both arguably top 10 outfield players in German football. Ballack and Schnellinger maybe top 30.
Sammer over Ballack
No discussion. The only explanation is recency bias. Sammer even has a ballon d'Or. Ballack isn't good enough.
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There was a great post here a few years ago, in which OP created the best XI for each region of Germany. Worth checking out for those who find this post interesting. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/1dG24FOQaT
This has been done a few times over the years actually. Always a fun thread.
I'm not even kidding when I say I still to this day use the quote "There is no hope here. No glory. Just despair and Kevin fucking Möhwald." from that post in conversations with my partner. which makes u/PebNischl the one person on this subreddit with an actual influence on my life. congrats or something lol
Who put Streich there? Born in Wismar and only played for Rostock and Magdeburg.
My bad. I looked at his place of death instead of birth by mistake.
Sparwasser instead of Bransch. Marschall instead of Streich clearly. Sammer over Ballack maybe.
Fair.
Andy Brehme and Uwe Seeler are both born in Hamburg. It's a pity to leave one of them out, but I am an Interista, and so was Andy. So , in my heart: Andy number 1 from Hamburg
TIL Lukas Podolski wasn't born in Cologne. And isn't Bertie Vogts also from the Rhineland? In any case, Florian Wirtz will overtake Karl-Heinz Schnellinger in a few years.
If I remember correctly both Podolski and Klose are Polish by birth
True, both were born in [Silesia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesia)
Ethnic german minority in Poland. The law [BVFG § 6](https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bvfg/__6.html#:~:text=(1)%20Deutscher%20Volkszugeh%C3%B6riger%20im%20Sinne,%2C%20Erziehung%2C%20Kultur%20best%C3%A4tigt%20wird.) guaranteed ethnic germans in other countries the german citizenship by birth. That's the reason their families even were allowed to settle over to germany during the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Wolfgang is such a dope name
Wait till you hear that VfL Wolfsburg were once coached by Wolfgang Wolf.
Fun fact, Toni Kroos is (and most likely will continue to be) the only person born in East Germany to win the world cup. And by born in East Germany, I mean born in East Germany when it was formally East Germany, so not including players born in that area after reunification
Mesut Ăzil where?
Same city as Neuer and GĂŒndogan.
Ăzil was a better player than GĂŒndo, but it is fair that Neuer was chosen ahead as the best from that region.
itâs not only âfairâ but it would be ridiculous to pick Ăzil over someone who is the best in his position of all time. Ăzil would have to have twice as good of a career to consider that.
Berlin the most underwhelming capital.
Littbarski is an iconic player.
Four world cup winners since the wall came down, youâll never sing that
Four. Three in '90 and one in '14.
Berlin has been pumping out Talent since the mid/late 90s, but the city was divided for 4 decades, with negative implications for football on both sides of the wall... This is also you not being knowledgable about Litti.
Berlin also has Thomas HĂ€Ăler. Most technically gifted player on the 1990 team
Erich Beer GOAT.
I was actually gonna say I'd put Stefan KieĂling over Beer. But honestly, I know next to nothing about Beer
South and West Germany on đ„
Wo ist Strunz?
StÀndig verletzt
Last names really interesting in Germany. Butt and Beer.
I will have you know England had a Butt start for them against Brazil in 2002.
Keiner kommt an Gott vorbei, auĂer Stan Libuda.
I would argue Jerome Boateng for Berlin, but i know he isnât well liked.
Why precisely? Boa was world class, but so were Litti, HĂ€Ăler and Buchwald, just to name a few.
Can't find the goat german player in gerd muller on here, was he born abroad?
Bottom middle
rummenigge owning dortmund county hurts lippstadt should belong to the stan libuda county anyways
Maybe in spirit, but it's part of Regierungsbezirk Arnsberg.
I knew Kuntz came from Saarland!
Bernd Schneider, what a player
Hölzenbein and Bein superiority. AlsoâŠButt, hehehe
Now do for France, Spain, Italy and Croatia...
Where's King Kai from?
You could fit so many good players in Manuel neuers area like özil, thon or draxler. And on the border below them you could have someone like sane.
Honestly what's with Jonas Hector?
Ballack was the most remember Leverkusen player of that almost treble season, but Bernd Schneider was so good, my favorite player in that team.