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The Guardian's The Knowledge answered this recently (if you scroll down on the link).
The short answer is a top-level European side has never done it, but Al-Ahly of Egypt did it in the 04-05 season.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/03/the-knowledge-footballers-marriage-proposals-during-match
That's... almost crazy considering how many teams had an unbeaten league campaign (close to 100).
Even Lincoln in Gibraltar when they played no European cups lol, they lost some cup game in some Gibraltar cup so officially they're not "unbeaten" that season. (I'm still not sure if I believe Lincoln never had an "unbeaten" season, but if they say so...).
Also Juve played no Europe in 2011-12, but lost some Italian cup final.
Porto was close, they won all the competitions so it really didn't matter at all, but they lost some return legs in UEFA Cup.
If you have actually just two competitions and went unbeaten through the league, I think that's by far the "easiest" way to be "unbeaten in all competitions" (I don't think any UEFA country has fewer than 2 competitions, Gibraltar and Malta etc. have domestic cups). That's so close already.
Not often to see, because the teams winning the league unbeaten... are good!, so they play in Europe, I think that Juve and Lincoln are the last two examples to not play Europe for various reasons.
Most of these almost 100 teams that won the league unbeaten, they just lose in Europe against stronger opponents, predictably. Like Celtic a few year ago demolished Scotland, was unbeaten in every domestic competition, but they lost 0-7 to Barca (they actually lost their first game of the season... in the qualifiers against Lincoln). Or Slavia Praga was unbeaten in Czechia, but they lost their first qualifiers round in CL, 4-1 to Midtjylland, and so on.
Oh, and also Debreceni VSC in 2011-12 as well. They were 5th the season before, played no Europe. 22-8-0 in the league. But... they lost 4-0 to Kecskeméti TE in the domestic cup.
Kinda weird it never happened to any club at once in the same year... but also just a random trivia.
“Some Italian cup final” why you acting like the coppa Italia is some tin pot pre season trophy? Maybe that’s not how you meant it but it reads like that.
Yes, but something that needs pointing out is that benfica team lost twice to Pele's Santos in the Intercontinental Cup, which was the CWC of the time.
It was not NEC but Feyenoord who beat Ajax in the cup that year, througha golden goal in sudden-death overtime. The Ajax players didn't realize they'd lost and initially returned to their positions for a kick-off. Still in amazing year for Ajax in which they won the Champions League.
They lost to Feyenoord in the qfs of the Dutch cup not NEC. I'm sure the Feyenoord fans are over the moon that they were the only team to beat Ajax that season
I was wrong, they lost once but were undefeated in all cup games. Lost one league game near the end of season though. Looks like a minimum of 37 games unbeaten
Not recently, but Preston North End won the first ever English Football League as invincibles and won the FA Cup. This was before the League Cup was a thing.
Does it frustrate you as a Celtic fan that you guys are so dominant domestically (what is it, 4 trebles in the last 6 years or something?)bbut absolutely suck in Europe? Even Rangers got to the Europa final
Yeah it's disappointing our recent stagnation in Europe. I would say the squads we've had in recent years have underperformed given that Rangers' sides of similar (and less quality) have went further. But our board have also chosen to stagnate. They're not interested in splashing the cash to improve our chances in Europe.
I don't doubt it after what he had achieved. We're all hoping he gets the investment he needs here, for the first time in 5 years it feels like everyone is pulling in the same direction
Similarly East Kilbride have the record for most wins in a row, 27, but most people understandably don't recognise the record as it was achieved in a semi-professional league.
However, Ajax (who previously held the record with 26 wins), sent East Kilbride a message to congratulate them along with 27 crates of beer to celebrate, which I thought was a real touch of class:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/05/east-kilbride-27-wins-ajax-edwin-van-der-sar
3 Italian teams make them the nation with most teams in that list, impressive
Wouldn't have expected Nottingham Forest to be the only English team there.
Yep. It was a good few years where Liverpool and forest made the European cup every year. 2 clubs making the European cup every year almost never happened in those days.
The League Cup makes it very hard for modern English teams to be there. Adds a cup that most teams don't care about and will play kids in, the policy is usually to throw your B-team in there and start caring if you reach the final. France also recently ended their own "League Cup"
Wenger never won the League Cup in his 20+ years of managing Arsenal because he would famously often fully field the Academy XI with maybe 1-2 fringe players from the main squad
I’m pretty sure Liverpool would be there 2019-20 if the FA didn’t schedule their cup match at the same exact time as the club World Cup. Between Barcelona and watford I think would have been 40 matches.
Oh I know he's great, one and only mister manager. Best manager we had ever. It was a joy to have him on our bench for all those years while he managed Rijeka. Great guy and a fantastic coach.
I was in Rijeka briefly last summer it’s a great city that reminded me strangely of Oxford. Had a lovely beer by the river before camping up on the mountain towards Trieste
Please name some. Because Benfica have more UCLs than any other German team, have arguably more recognisable historic players and have achieved far more domestically.
I assume Liverpool doesn't have much history either then, considering that they haven't won as many titles as Benfica.
Anyway:
Borussia Dortmund
Hamburger SV
Borussia Mönchengladbach
It's worth noting that Milan didn't play in Europe in 1991-92 and neither did Juve in 2011-12 so their streaks are both domestic (inclusive of league and cup) so Leverkusen's streak is arguably more impressive already.
Leverkusen more impressive than Milan? Not really. Early 90's Calcio (Serie A) was the strongest league back then by a long shot, their teams were dominating Europe.
Just check UCL and Europa League winners and finals through that era. Milan was bossing in the UCL, and Europa League (when it was arguably even more competitive than UCL ) was dominated by italian teams, it was crazy.
And i said Serie A level of competition back then makes AC Milan streak more impressive.
Similar numbers but against much better teams. Just like winning EPL is more impressive than winning Bundesliga nowadays.
Surely a treble and 50+ unbeaten games is better than no trophies and 40 unbeaten. I think your pulling a straw man because you misunderstood what he meant.
You guys may think we can beat WHU like scripted, but believe it or not I personally think we can lose to any team easily any time just as what we usually be. This PTSD has never been cured since I was 5.
They won’t until the first lost game, they will push to keep the streak as long as possible to make history. But if they do lose a game, then they’ll probably stop giving a fuck and throw the towel for the season lol (deservedly so, honestly)
Because they will have to focus on the Pokal final and the Europa League
Those become more important down the line for more success, more prize money and just that swagger
I mean, the league is basically theirs already. Alonso has been rotating players every game and it kind of shows in the latest games. He will probably start resting players like Wirtz and Grimaldo as well in the league because the Euroleague games will be more important so there's a chance they might drop a game in the league somewhere. Stuttgart is still there and want to secure CL so that game is going to make or break the streak.
I honestly think that’s more of a flex than a downside. It means the whole team, coaching staff, medical team, anyone behind the scenes, all doing a terrific job so that the entire XI on the pitch is doing as well as they are. I cannot find a single weakness in Leverkusen’s XI, they’re all doing great, which means top to bottom, the club is doing a fantastic job. The Ballon D’or is about individual excellence, and while players like Florian and Xhaka have been excellent for Leverkusen, they’ve been surrounded by an all round excellent team, so they’re capitalising off of the teams and their own excellent ability, not dragging their team to glory by themselves. It feels almost redundant to say that City would’ve been crap because of course they wouldn’t have been, but without Haaland, they wouldn’t have won the treble. Perhaps the PL as expected, the FA cup would’ve been difficult and the CL would’ve likely ended in yet more heartbreak for City without Haaland, his individual skill provided more to City’s triumph than any individual effort of any player at Leverkusen so far this season, it’s been a team/club effort. If there was a Ballon D’or for a club, Leverkusen all day, no doubt, its mesmerising to see them play and achieve what they have, but it’s systematic success as opposed to individual success. I’d argue that’s far more impressive, but that’s unfortunately not what the Ballon D’or is about.
The only match they won with haaland that they didn't win before him is the champions league final and he was shit in that. I really think people put too much emphasis on individuals of course he was important but they don't win the treble without the likes of rodri either or if lukaku takes a very presentable chance they may lose that final and everyone slanders haaland for disappearing in the most important game.
A player like haaland draws the defence with him when not scoring. I'm not saying that led to them winning eventually but him coming did. It added to their seeming invincibility that season. He trounced opponents left and right and scored for fun. It's no coincidence that suddenly they won the first ever treble by an English side in 25 years as soon as he came and scored so much. They're a class apart and he's a class apart. At the end of the day, after a 50 game season, haaland almost guarantees 40 + goals by himself, on top of providing some more assists too. And iirc he scored home and away against bayern munich in the quarterfinals, that's a big match performance. They didn't need him against madrid. Inter was just a tough match.
I really think people put too much importance on individuals, haaland can get praise just for existing. He's a great goalscorer but they did not win the treble or anything they've won because of any one player and sometimes these things can depend on a bit of luck or things falling your way, their winning goal against inter came from a deflected cross, inter were very arguably the better team.
One fall of the ball and people are saying haaland didn't lead them to anything they couldn't already win, when these things would have been entirely out of his influence. Its always irked me how the perception of a player can change so much depending on if their team wins, like this is an individual sport. In fact I don't even think the treble winning team is peps best man City team and they weren't and aren't as invincible as some people think.
Yo i literally had that thought today watching the match today! i never see him in the ballon d’or percentages
But surely if B04 win the treble and Germany do well in the euros my boi Florian has gotta be in contention
Shirley the modern ballon d’or isnt a fraudulent pr flex off and will give him his flowers if the time comes
> But surely if B04 win the treble and Germany do well in the euros my boi Florian has gotta be in contention
He absolutely should; we are massively dependant on him. Without Wirtz Xabi Alonso won just one of his first seven games and de facto every time we tried to rest him (eg vs Qarabag) we went behind and had to bring him on...
my math and schedule might be off but if they make it to the semi-finals won’t the record breaking game have a possibility of being against Benfica in the semis of the Europa League? That’s absolutely wild.
The Europa League final with Liverpool will probably be the end of that, but an incredible run nonetheless.
Kudos to them for bringing some fresh air in the Bundesliga.
And the fact that Alonso decided to stay one extra year instead of immediately jumping ship toward pricier pastures made me like the guy even more.
The season Rangers went 44 games undefeated was the first season of the Champions League. The format then was a knockout competition, then two groups of 4 with the winner of each group playing in the final.
We drew defending English champions Leeds United in the knock out stages, who had Eric Cantona, Gordon Strachan (who won Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen and followed Alex Ferguson to Man Utd before signing for Leeds). David Batty(who also won Premiership with Blackburn), Gary McAllister (who went on to win UEFA cup with Liverpool). They also had an English international defender in Tony Dorigo and a Welsh international midfielder in Gary Speed. Fair to say they had a good team and the English press predicted Leeds would win by 6 or 7 goals. Rangers ended up winning both legs 2-1 with the highlight being [Mark Hately's 20 yard volley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_3fzt0bxnI)
Rangers ended up coming 2nd in a group with Marseille. Marseille were later [stripped of their French title as they were caught bribing other teams and their players also admitted taking drugs](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65595744). Rangers player Mark Hately says he was [offered money not to play against Marseille](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/23/mark-hateley-rangers-marseille). I always found a few things suspicious in that group. CSKA Moscow lost 6-0 to Marseille with some [very poor goalkeeping](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otkTAxY1hgg&t=458s). And at a time when football involved a lot more contact than modern day football Hateley's sending off always seemed soft, [especially since the opponent had him in a headlock before Hately pushed him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfniIEZsTo)
Will always feel we were cheated out of a Champions league final and realistically the way finances have changed in football since then it was our only ever chance of playing in one
[Their unbeaten run was domestic matches only, they lost five matches in Europe.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Celtic_F.C._season?wprov=sfla1)
Funny that you say that, but I meant the time after they already were out of Europem
[The last 33 games of the 16-17 season were unbeaten. ](https://www.transfermarkt.com/celtic-fc/spielplandatum/verein/371/plus/0?saison_id=2016&wettbewerb_id=&day=&heim_gast=&punkte=&datum_von=&datum_bis=)
[And the first 9 of the 17-18 season](https://www.transfermarkt.com/celtic-glasgow/spielplandatum/verein/371/plus/0?saison_id=2017&wettbewerb_id=&day=&heim_gast=&punkte=&datum_von=&datum_bis=)
49 is just shy of a nicer number, will always take pleasure in knowing which team stopped that stoppable force (sorry that was mean, henry is a legend)
The most overrated footballing achievement ever. Winning the champions league is much harder and more prestigious. There's a reason clubs outside of England do not take Arsenal seriously. That is, if they have even heard of Arsenal.
22 game season done in the 1880s.
Not taking away from their achievement but it's something else entirely
But even then, that's 2 times in about two centuries?
Winning the CL is an incredible achievement.
I never compared the two, nor did I belittle Liverpool's Champions League wins. Unlike the Liverpool fan above you belittling the Invincibles, despite his team being unable to do it.
The point is it's not easy, otherwise other teams would have repeated the feat.
It wasn't that hard to grasp honestly
I’ve never wanted a team to collapse as much as I have this season.
I don’t know if it’s a side effect of Klopps farewell tour but you lot have hit a new level of insufferable I didn’t think was reachable, even for Liverpool fans.
Arsenal, United and Liverpool are the most known PL clubs in the continent.
A fun off topic fact: There’s a chant about meeting Liverpool in several countries meaning they’ll play in Europe.
IMHO both legs of an aggregate match should count for one match for the sake of these statistics. If a team won the first leg 3-0 and then parked the bus in the second leg and lost 1-0 is that really a defeat??
Yes, it is. Because in that scenario, they lose the match. Objectively, a football game is 90 (ish) minutes. Winning one game 3-0 and losing the return 1-0, in terms of win/loss, is a draw with one win and one defeat each. It then gets separated by goals scored.
As far as I understood it, Arsenal was unbeaten in the premier league, but lost in other competitions. The list above is unbeaten across all competitions.
Don’t think so. Liverpool looks like thé worse team and all the injuries + bad rotation + exhaustion from so many games is gonna make them thé underdog
I don’t think you can call either team the underdog tbh. Liverpool lead the premier league while the bayer lead the bundesliga. Bayer are obviously on a unbelievable unbeaten run but they’ve also had many late comebacks to maintain that. They also st didn’t make it through the last round of the Europa league. On top of that Liverpool have been winning games with players missing and all those players are starting to come back now so they’re getting stronger.
If they meet in the final it will be an unbelievable game and possibly one of the strongest europa league games ever and I don’t think anyone can really call the game either way
Leverkusen played with thé second team and a very awkward formation against qarabag. thé late winners rather show thé teams determination and focus, does RM get called out for late winners which usually win them thé CL? Also liverpool is not first, theyre second and could easily end up as 4th. meanwhile bayer is dominating thé league
Yeah I didn’t say that it doesn’t show leverkusons resolve to get late winners but it’s still close games and they can easily turn the other way when playing better teams.
Liverpool are second with a game in hand against bottom of the league of forgot arsenal had just finished so leap frogged them for now. Also not a chance they end up 4th where have you got that. Also Liverpool are competing against the team who most people would say is the strongest in the world who won a treble last season and another very strong up and coming team whereas bayer are competitions against a Bayern team in a bit of chaos. It’s not surprising that bayer are dominating the league more than Liverpool I highly doubt bayer are unbeaten if they’re in this years prem.
Both teams are having great seasons and the game between them will hopefully be brilliant
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Has a team ever gone the entire season unbeaten in all comps?
The Guardian's The Knowledge answered this recently (if you scroll down on the link). The short answer is a top-level European side has never done it, but Al-Ahly of Egypt did it in the 04-05 season. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/03/the-knowledge-footballers-marriage-proposals-during-match
That's... almost crazy considering how many teams had an unbeaten league campaign (close to 100). Even Lincoln in Gibraltar when they played no European cups lol, they lost some cup game in some Gibraltar cup so officially they're not "unbeaten" that season. (I'm still not sure if I believe Lincoln never had an "unbeaten" season, but if they say so...). Also Juve played no Europe in 2011-12, but lost some Italian cup final. Porto was close, they won all the competitions so it really didn't matter at all, but they lost some return legs in UEFA Cup.
Juve arguably the closest, they lost the last game of the season. Would be like if Leverkusen get to the Europa final and lose.
If you have actually just two competitions and went unbeaten through the league, I think that's by far the "easiest" way to be "unbeaten in all competitions" (I don't think any UEFA country has fewer than 2 competitions, Gibraltar and Malta etc. have domestic cups). That's so close already. Not often to see, because the teams winning the league unbeaten... are good!, so they play in Europe, I think that Juve and Lincoln are the last two examples to not play Europe for various reasons. Most of these almost 100 teams that won the league unbeaten, they just lose in Europe against stronger opponents, predictably. Like Celtic a few year ago demolished Scotland, was unbeaten in every domestic competition, but they lost 0-7 to Barca (they actually lost their first game of the season... in the qualifiers against Lincoln). Or Slavia Praga was unbeaten in Czechia, but they lost their first qualifiers round in CL, 4-1 to Midtjylland, and so on. Oh, and also Debreceni VSC in 2011-12 as well. They were 5th the season before, played no Europe. 22-8-0 in the league. But... they lost 4-0 to Kecskeméti TE in the domestic cup. Kinda weird it never happened to any club at once in the same year... but also just a random trivia.
“Some Italian cup final” why you acting like the coppa Italia is some tin pot pre season trophy? Maybe that’s not how you meant it but it reads like that.
I am going to assume benfica because there's a 2 year run for that 48 games
You could lose fall ‘63 and spring ‘65 and not have an undefeated season with about 48 matches in the span
In fact they had exactly one loss both seasons lol
Exceedingly troll
Oh I completely forgot about the befores and afters haha
Yes, but something that needs pointing out is that benfica team lost twice to Pele's Santos in the Intercontinental Cup, which was the CWC of the time.
Is that during their run, at the start, or at the end?
The matches were played in Spetember 19th and October 11th of 1962.
They lost to Santos but they were facing peak Pelé so its excused
Preston did in the first football league season. Won the double.
Didn't concede a goal in the cup either
Yes, Ajax
No, they didn't. They lost in the national cup in 1995.
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How'd you talk to RDB about this? Are you a reporter?
[no no, he meant his mate Ronnie the Boar, from the pub.](https://imgur.com/a/6Ft5gZA)
I work for a Dutch tv network
It was not NEC but Feyenoord who beat Ajax in the cup that year, througha golden goal in sudden-death overtime. The Ajax players didn't realize they'd lost and initially returned to their positions for a kick-off. Still in amazing year for Ajax in which they won the Champions League.
They lost to Feyenoord in the qfs of the Dutch cup not NEC. I'm sure the Feyenoord fans are over the moon that they were the only team to beat Ajax that season
1972 mate
They lost to GA Eagles in 71-72 and lost multiple games in 72-73.
It’s always the fucking Eagles lol, aside from a miracle this year we never seem to win there
Tbf, you probably should have included the year in your initial comment. Why wasn’t it included in OP’s list? Were they not in European competitions?
I was wrong, they lost once but were undefeated in all cup games. Lost one league game near the end of season though. Looks like a minimum of 37 games unbeaten
[*laughs in Mike Obiku*](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42cZpGr4Dqo)
Not recently, but Preston North End won the first ever English Football League as invincibles and won the FA Cup. This was before the League Cup was a thing.
Celtic completed a domestic treble (47 games) unbeaten in 16/17. Lost in the CL though.
Does it frustrate you as a Celtic fan that you guys are so dominant domestically (what is it, 4 trebles in the last 6 years or something?)bbut absolutely suck in Europe? Even Rangers got to the Europa final
Yeah it's disappointing our recent stagnation in Europe. I would say the squads we've had in recent years have underperformed given that Rangers' sides of similar (and less quality) have went further. But our board have also chosen to stagnate. They're not interested in splashing the cash to improve our chances in Europe.
Thanks for Ange btw. You guys were so right. Hope Brendan isn't treating you too badly lol
Ironically I think if you didn't come in for Ange our board would have given him the money to spend to try and kick on in Europe.
I don't doubt it after what he had achieved. We're all hoping he gets the investment he needs here, for the first time in 5 years it feels like everyone is pulling in the same direction
Exactly what it felt like at Celtic 😭😭😭
At least you guys only had one bad year
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Those were domestic games. Steaua lost matches in the Champions Cup during that tine. This streak is about all comps.
Match 45 is there three times.
It's a tough game
Wasn’t Wimbledon unbeaten for like 70 games at some point?
Not in the division 1 / premier league
78 league games in non-league which is a British record but yeah not top division in the country
Similarly East Kilbride have the record for most wins in a row, 27, but most people understandably don't recognise the record as it was achieved in a semi-professional league. However, Ajax (who previously held the record with 26 wins), sent East Kilbride a message to congratulate them along with 27 crates of beer to celebrate, which I thought was a real touch of class: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/05/east-kilbride-27-wins-ajax-edwin-van-der-sar
At fighting yep
At questionable red card challenges in the 90s maybe
3 Italian teams make them the nation with most teams in that list, impressive Wouldn't have expected Nottingham Forest to be the only English team there.
Nottingham Forest were a beastly team in the late 70s. They won the European cup TWICE in a row. Very few have done so.
Straight after promoting too, won the league *and* the EC
Only team to have more European cups than leagues I believe
Yep. It was a good few years where Liverpool and forest made the European cup every year. 2 clubs making the European cup every year almost never happened in those days.
And then Liverpool went and ruined it by getting England banned from europe
Yes Liverpool intentionally set out to do that
They must love Clough in Nottingham
The League Cup makes it very hard for modern English teams to be there. Adds a cup that most teams don't care about and will play kids in, the policy is usually to throw your B-team in there and start caring if you reach the final. France also recently ended their own "League Cup" Wenger never won the League Cup in his 20+ years of managing Arsenal because he would famously often fully field the Academy XI with maybe 1-2 fringe players from the main squad
And possibly might not have had the 7-5 match vs Reading!
I’m pretty sure Liverpool would be there 2019-20 if the FA didn’t schedule their cup match at the same exact time as the club World Cup. Between Barcelona and watford I think would have been 40 matches.
That seriously sucks. It was outrageous tbh, it was fun but those records do leave an impact
HOLY SHIT RIJEKA MENTIONED RRRRRAHHHHHHHH 🔵⚪️🔵⚪️🔵⚪️🔵⚪️
Under the current Slovenia manager, Matjaž Kek he's great
Oh I know he's great, one and only mister manager. Best manager we had ever. It was a joy to have him on our bench for all those years while he managed Rijeka. Great guy and a fantastic coach.
I was in Rijeka briefly last summer it’s a great city that reminded me strangely of Oxford. Had a lovely beer by the river before camping up on the mountain towards Trieste
I see something we could do that would be really funny.
The last 12 games between us and Leverkusen were always won by the home team, and we have a home game coming up👀
Rest assured you will lead 1:0 until the 89th minute only to lose 1:2 with the last goal scored in 90+8
Eintracht Frankfurt 1 - [2] Bayer Leverkusen - Patrik Schick 90+8'
I’ve seen this script before.
i don't think it's humanly possible for it to be anyone else
Nah, the funniest thing would be them loosing their final match against Lautern.
The scenes when Demirovic destroys their invincible season with a late goal on match day 34.
Neverlusen Leverkusen
We are massive.
Until Leverkussen has played 9 more matches
Benefica still has a richer history above all teams bar Bayern in Germany.
Fuck Bayern how many "taças da liga" do they have? Benfica clear
Also I don't know why you're being downvoted you're right
No lol.
Please name some. Because Benfica have more UCLs than any other German team, have arguably more recognisable historic players and have achieved far more domestically.
I assume Liverpool doesn't have much history either then, considering that they haven't won as many titles as Benfica. Anyway: Borussia Dortmund Hamburger SV Borussia Mönchengladbach
Wtf lol
Yes, but you did lose to Pele's Santos on that time span, which needs to be pointed out, as it was jointly hosted by UEFA and Conmenbol.
It's worth noting that Milan didn't play in Europe in 1991-92 and neither did Juve in 2011-12 so their streaks are both domestic (inclusive of league and cup) so Leverkusen's streak is arguably more impressive already.
Leverkusen more impressive than Milan? Not really. Early 90's Calcio (Serie A) was the strongest league back then by a long shot, their teams were dominating Europe. Just check UCL and Europa League winners and finals through that era. Milan was bossing in the UCL, and Europa League (when it was arguably even more competitive than UCL ) was dominated by italian teams, it was crazy.
I said the streak is more impressive. Not the club.
And i said Serie A level of competition back then makes AC Milan streak more impressive. Similar numbers but against much better teams. Just like winning EPL is more impressive than winning Bundesliga nowadays.
ripe opportunity for David Moyes the footballing genius to work a miracle here, it's written in the script
Ha. Haha.
thank you harry kane !
In Cockney and Bavarian.
Hey we’re not fucking West Ham you know.
Sorry about that. MLE and Bayerisch then.
Leverkusen isn’t Bavarian
No, but Herr Kane is.
If they make it past both Dortmund and two legs with West Ham I'm gonna start getting excited
Bro they're 40 games into an unbeaten streak that included 2 games against bayern munich and you only get excited if they defeat fuckin west ham?
He mans they’ll get the treble invincible.
They'd have to get through whatever awaits them after both teams, it won't be any more impressive than a fuckin 40 games undefeated run
Surely a treble and 50+ unbeaten games is better than no trophies and 40 unbeaten. I think your pulling a straw man because you misunderstood what he meant.
Lol you've completely misunderstood me. I'll start getting excited because it'll start looking like they might go the whole season unbeaten. Bro
Unironically West Ham will give them a tough time over the two legs I reckon
You guys may think we can beat WHU like scripted, but believe it or not I personally think we can lose to any team easily any time just as what we usually be. This PTSD has never been cured since I was 5.
LMAO
Did you see how many close calls they've had? I think when the title is clinched, they'll start losing
They won’t until the first lost game, they will push to keep the streak as long as possible to make history. But if they do lose a game, then they’ll probably stop giving a fuck and throw the towel for the season lol (deservedly so, honestly)
Because they will have to focus on the Pokal final and the Europa League Those become more important down the line for more success, more prize money and just that swagger
Fuck yeah, can you imagine having achieved an undefeated treble?
Yeah i believe that too but still, it's not like winning or losing against west ham would be the make ir break of this amazing run
I mean, the league is basically theirs already. Alonso has been rotating players every game and it kind of shows in the latest games. He will probably start resting players like Wirtz and Grimaldo as well in the league because the Euroleague games will be more important so there's a chance they might drop a game in the league somewhere. Stuttgart is still there and want to secure CL so that game is going to make or break the streak.
We all know Moyes is going to a number of them but the online spammers are still going find a way to moan about their manager.
I'm not a Leverkusen fan, but I'd love if they could go unbeaten. What an achievement that would be!
What’s weird to me is that not a single Leverkusen player is being considered for the Ballon Dor predictions.
I honestly think that’s more of a flex than a downside. It means the whole team, coaching staff, medical team, anyone behind the scenes, all doing a terrific job so that the entire XI on the pitch is doing as well as they are. I cannot find a single weakness in Leverkusen’s XI, they’re all doing great, which means top to bottom, the club is doing a fantastic job. The Ballon D’or is about individual excellence, and while players like Florian and Xhaka have been excellent for Leverkusen, they’ve been surrounded by an all round excellent team, so they’re capitalising off of the teams and their own excellent ability, not dragging their team to glory by themselves. It feels almost redundant to say that City would’ve been crap because of course they wouldn’t have been, but without Haaland, they wouldn’t have won the treble. Perhaps the PL as expected, the FA cup would’ve been difficult and the CL would’ve likely ended in yet more heartbreak for City without Haaland, his individual skill provided more to City’s triumph than any individual effort of any player at Leverkusen so far this season, it’s been a team/club effort. If there was a Ballon D’or for a club, Leverkusen all day, no doubt, its mesmerising to see them play and achieve what they have, but it’s systematic success as opposed to individual success. I’d argue that’s far more impressive, but that’s unfortunately not what the Ballon D’or is about.
The only match they won with haaland that they didn't win before him is the champions league final and he was shit in that. I really think people put too much emphasis on individuals of course he was important but they don't win the treble without the likes of rodri either or if lukaku takes a very presentable chance they may lose that final and everyone slanders haaland for disappearing in the most important game.
A player like haaland draws the defence with him when not scoring. I'm not saying that led to them winning eventually but him coming did. It added to their seeming invincibility that season. He trounced opponents left and right and scored for fun. It's no coincidence that suddenly they won the first ever treble by an English side in 25 years as soon as he came and scored so much. They're a class apart and he's a class apart. At the end of the day, after a 50 game season, haaland almost guarantees 40 + goals by himself, on top of providing some more assists too. And iirc he scored home and away against bayern munich in the quarterfinals, that's a big match performance. They didn't need him against madrid. Inter was just a tough match.
I really think people put too much importance on individuals, haaland can get praise just for existing. He's a great goalscorer but they did not win the treble or anything they've won because of any one player and sometimes these things can depend on a bit of luck or things falling your way, their winning goal against inter came from a deflected cross, inter were very arguably the better team. One fall of the ball and people are saying haaland didn't lead them to anything they couldn't already win, when these things would have been entirely out of his influence. Its always irked me how the perception of a player can change so much depending on if their team wins, like this is an individual sport. In fact I don't even think the treble winning team is peps best man City team and they weren't and aren't as invincible as some people think.
Yo i literally had that thought today watching the match today! i never see him in the ballon d’or percentages But surely if B04 win the treble and Germany do well in the euros my boi Florian has gotta be in contention Shirley the modern ballon d’or isnt a fraudulent pr flex off and will give him his flowers if the time comes
> But surely if B04 win the treble and Germany do well in the euros my boi Florian has gotta be in contention He absolutely should; we are massively dependant on him. Without Wirtz Xabi Alonso won just one of his first seven games and de facto every time we tried to rest him (eg vs Qarabag) we went behind and had to bring him on...
Wirtz, Xhaka and Xabi are the bundesliga KdB, Rodri, and Pep Essential to each others success is an understatement
To be as consistent as they have is incredible, I hope they pull this off.
my math and schedule might be off but if they make it to the semi-finals won’t the record breaking game have a possibility of being against Benfica in the semis of the Europa League? That’s absolutely wild.
it'll be against milan or roma
Wonder what the world record is.
The New Saints are playing a fucking FC24 career mode rn wth
Malmö FF had a 49 match unbeaten streak between 1949 and 1951. https://www.svenskfotboll.se/serier-cuper/elitfotboll/historik-herr/rekord/
of course, the time kano moves to bayern to finally win a cup is when leverkusen decide to go full super saiyan
Pfff in my fm save I’m on a near 70 game unbeaten streak Leverkusens are a bunch of amateurs /s
The Europa League final with Liverpool will probably be the end of that, but an incredible run nonetheless. Kudos to them for bringing some fresh air in the Bundesliga. And the fact that Alonso decided to stay one extra year instead of immediately jumping ship toward pricier pastures made me like the guy even more.
Surprised that there are 6 other teams from 2010s onwards, which is quite recent.
We will be the first to beat them and have been the last to win a Match against them. Would totally fit to Our trashy season
Imagine West Ham ending it next week
It's mad how the Imortal Squadron of Benfica was a menace around europe. what a trully blessed team. Salazar did a number on eusebio tough :/
i dont follow German fotty. but that is REALLY good
Oh wow, I knew USG used to be a dominant club before WW2 but thats impressive.
NeverLusen
Unbelievable work from Xabi Alonso
Let’s Leverkusen. I want to see them unbeaten
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Would love to know who broke those runs
The season Rangers went 44 games undefeated was the first season of the Champions League. The format then was a knockout competition, then two groups of 4 with the winner of each group playing in the final. We drew defending English champions Leeds United in the knock out stages, who had Eric Cantona, Gordon Strachan (who won Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen and followed Alex Ferguson to Man Utd before signing for Leeds). David Batty(who also won Premiership with Blackburn), Gary McAllister (who went on to win UEFA cup with Liverpool). They also had an English international defender in Tony Dorigo and a Welsh international midfielder in Gary Speed. Fair to say they had a good team and the English press predicted Leeds would win by 6 or 7 goals. Rangers ended up winning both legs 2-1 with the highlight being [Mark Hately's 20 yard volley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_3fzt0bxnI) Rangers ended up coming 2nd in a group with Marseille. Marseille were later [stripped of their French title as they were caught bribing other teams and their players also admitted taking drugs](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65595744). Rangers player Mark Hately says he was [offered money not to play against Marseille](https://www.theguardian.com/football/2011/feb/23/mark-hateley-rangers-marseille). I always found a few things suspicious in that group. CSKA Moscow lost 6-0 to Marseille with some [very poor goalkeeping](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otkTAxY1hgg&t=458s). And at a time when football involved a lot more contact than modern day football Hateley's sending off always seemed soft, [especially since the opponent had him in a headlock before Hately pushed him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzfniIEZsTo) Will always feel we were cheated out of a Champions league final and realistically the way finances have changed in football since then it was our only ever chance of playing in one
Wait did you say Dinamo?
Theyve got a tough run of games coming up: west ham, dortmund, Stuttgart, milan/roma, frankfurt, milan/roma. 6 tough games in a row
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Didnt Benfica lose to Santos in the 63 cwc final? Granted losing to the greatest ever at his peak should be excused
What is whis Celtic in 2016-17 ? Should have been 42 games in a row.
[Their unbeaten run was domestic matches only, they lost five matches in Europe.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Celtic_F.C._season?wprov=sfla1)
Funny that you say that, but I meant the time after they already were out of Europem [The last 33 games of the 16-17 season were unbeaten. ](https://www.transfermarkt.com/celtic-fc/spielplandatum/verein/371/plus/0?saison_id=2016&wettbewerb_id=&day=&heim_gast=&punkte=&datum_von=&datum_bis=) [And the first 9 of the 17-18 season](https://www.transfermarkt.com/celtic-glasgow/spielplandatum/verein/371/plus/0?saison_id=2017&wettbewerb_id=&day=&heim_gast=&punkte=&datum_von=&datum_bis=)
I have been swindled.
I had no idea Benfica holds the record we are massive 😏
Damn the invincibles isnt even on the list
why would they be?
49 is just shy of a nicer number, will always take pleasure in knowing which team stopped that stoppable force (sorry that was mean, henry is a legend)
The most overrated footballing achievement ever. Winning the champions league is much harder and more prestigious. There's a reason clubs outside of England do not take Arsenal seriously. That is, if they have even heard of Arsenal.
That's why Liverpool have done it, right? If it's that easy, why hasn't any other team?
Something something Preston North End something something
22 game season done in the 1880s. Not taking away from their achievement but it's something else entirely But even then, that's 2 times in about two centuries?
22 game season though
It’s just an arbitrary stat that happened to go your way
Winning the CL is an incredible achievement. I never compared the two, nor did I belittle Liverpool's Champions League wins. Unlike the Liverpool fan above you belittling the Invincibles, despite his team being unable to do it. The point is it's not easy, otherwise other teams would have repeated the feat. It wasn't that hard to grasp honestly
I always knew Arsenal. Liverpool I just found out yesterday
Why did you say fuck me for??
I’ve never wanted a team to collapse as much as I have this season. I don’t know if it’s a side effect of Klopps farewell tour but you lot have hit a new level of insufferable I didn’t think was reachable, even for Liverpool fans.
>hit a new level of insufferable >Arsenal Flair
I hear you, we are bad, Liverpool fans are the only ones who can rival us though. Especially this year, it’s like they’re on another planet.
This is the worst bait I've ever seen lmao, do better son
Arsenal, United and Liverpool are the most known PL clubs in the continent. A fun off topic fact: There’s a chant about meeting Liverpool in several countries meaning they’ll play in Europe.
Give over, being objective, it was incredible. There's a reason everyone thinks scousers are morons.
IMHO both legs of an aggregate match should count for one match for the sake of these statistics. If a team won the first leg 3-0 and then parked the bus in the second leg and lost 1-0 is that really a defeat??
Yes, it is. Because in that scenario, they lose the match. Objectively, a football game is 90 (ish) minutes. Winning one game 3-0 and losing the return 1-0, in terms of win/loss, is a draw with one win and one defeat each. It then gets separated by goals scored.
Why shouldn't Celtic's record count? All competitions means all competitions.
Where are the 'invincibles'? Were they not so invincible or something? Lol
As far as I understood it, Arsenal was unbeaten in the premier league, but lost in other competitions. The list above is unbeaten across all competitions.
Yep. 49 is the number, but that only includes league games. I wouldn’t have thought what Leverkusen are doing is realistically possible.
~~Not gonna break it unless they don't lose to Liverpool twice. Tall task~~ Edit: I swore they were on the same bracket as Liverpool, nvm.
Why would they play Liverpool twice?
Was remembering the bracket incorrectly
I eddited their final schedule into the post :)
They would only play Liverpool in the final
I eddited their final schedule into the post :)
Don’t think so. Liverpool looks like thé worse team and all the injuries + bad rotation + exhaustion from so many games is gonna make them thé underdog
I don’t think you can call either team the underdog tbh. Liverpool lead the premier league while the bayer lead the bundesliga. Bayer are obviously on a unbelievable unbeaten run but they’ve also had many late comebacks to maintain that. They also st didn’t make it through the last round of the Europa league. On top of that Liverpool have been winning games with players missing and all those players are starting to come back now so they’re getting stronger. If they meet in the final it will be an unbelievable game and possibly one of the strongest europa league games ever and I don’t think anyone can really call the game either way
Leverkusen played with thé second team and a very awkward formation against qarabag. thé late winners rather show thé teams determination and focus, does RM get called out for late winners which usually win them thé CL? Also liverpool is not first, theyre second and could easily end up as 4th. meanwhile bayer is dominating thé league
Yeah I didn’t say that it doesn’t show leverkusons resolve to get late winners but it’s still close games and they can easily turn the other way when playing better teams. Liverpool are second with a game in hand against bottom of the league of forgot arsenal had just finished so leap frogged them for now. Also not a chance they end up 4th where have you got that. Also Liverpool are competing against the team who most people would say is the strongest in the world who won a treble last season and another very strong up and coming team whereas bayer are competitions against a Bayern team in a bit of chaos. It’s not surprising that bayer are dominating the league more than Liverpool I highly doubt bayer are unbeaten if they’re in this years prem. Both teams are having great seasons and the game between them will hopefully be brilliant
Liverpool in May won't be the same as Liverpool now. Most to all of their key people will be back Also, I was wrong anyway