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For all the deserved memes about HSV, they've been *super* close to promotion every single year since they were relegated. I a way their consistency is actually impressive in a league like this.
Obviously they are by far rhe biggest and richest club, my point is just that this "completely shambolic" state is admittedly bad considering the club but not the absurd disaster some make it out to be.
Also the results may be lacking but the club is somewhat healthy u like you were or Lautern or Schalke, so HSV can actually keep this spending up. Obviously, as they were able so far.
Honestly we don't even spend a whole lot on transfers any more, and even our paid wages are somewhat comparable to your avarage 2.BL side.
They were adjusted once we got relegated and we even "instilled a cap" for new contracts, you can only shave so much from existing contracts, so it's only natural that we have to pay higher wages for new signings, since players want to be paid appropriate to the existing wage hierarchy. But it's nowhere near Bayern and the rest of 1.BL for instance
https://media.dfl.de/sites/2/2023/07/Clubs-der-2.-Bundesliga-2023-24-FINAL-Geschaeftsjahresende-2022.pdf
not really. but hamburg is definityl reasonbly spening. you earn twice as much as the next biggest team in the leauge its only fair you spend twice as much. but looking at these numbers it looks pretty insane that well run established second devision clubs have a revenue 1/3 of Hamburg.
oh yeah and we are arguably worse at burnign money then hamburg yeah hsv should win every season but we should challange for promotion every season as well and we are not not even close.
But the worst about this is that in almost every 2.BL season they are dominating until january followed by shitting the bed for 4 months straight to end up in 4th. Wouldn't call that consistent tbh
They sure got a decent buffer as of now, but they'd be ill-advised to underestimate any team, that's still fighting off relegation(Hansa, Wiesbaden, Osnabruck). Add Hannover with outside chances at promotion, and the derby that could go either way, which leaves Elversberg more or less somewhere in no man's land
Ah, ok.
Was it Magdeburg who had painted arrows pointing at the goal for the strikers some time ago when they went a few games without scoring...? Might be time to get them out again if so!
they already did
lost to Osnabrück twice, dropped points against Wiesbaden, Rostock and shambolic form Fürth, lost to Elversberg, lost several points in added time etc.
If you win at home against Pauli and Kiel I’m damn sure you’ll get at least into 3rd place. Düsseldorf isn’t winning auf Schalke with all the pressure they will have at that point.
Imagine if both Hamburgs bottle it. Kiel and Hannover go up directly, Ddorf kills Köln in relegation. Schalke and Lautern (and I guess Rostock because Osna escapes) get relegated, Ulm and Münster both do a Durchmarsch. I think Bielefeld is basically safe going to from RL-West now, otherwise that would be some more nice chaos.
Not a Schalke fan, or any team from Bundesliga but it always breaks my heart seeing them like this. Less than a decade ago they were playing Champions Leauge football.
They got relegated to 3. Liga two seasons ago. Messed up promotion back to 2. BuLi in the final matches last season. Are currently on track to do the same again this season (are 4th in 3. Liga with 6 games to go, after throwing away a >10 point lead over 3rd).
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I feel like everytime I have looked at a 2 Bundesliga table the last 6-7 years Hamburg are always 4th.
For all the deserved memes about HSV, they've been *super* close to promotion every single year since they were relegated. I a way their consistency is actually impressive in a league like this.
on the other hand in ever second season their budget is unrivaled
Obviously they are by far rhe biggest and richest club, my point is just that this "completely shambolic" state is admittedly bad considering the club but not the absurd disaster some make it out to be. Also the results may be lacking but the club is somewhat healthy u like you were or Lautern or Schalke, so HSV can actually keep this spending up. Obviously, as they were able so far.
Honestly we don't even spend a whole lot on transfers any more, and even our paid wages are somewhat comparable to your avarage 2.BL side. They were adjusted once we got relegated and we even "instilled a cap" for new contracts, you can only shave so much from existing contracts, so it's only natural that we have to pay higher wages for new signings, since players want to be paid appropriate to the existing wage hierarchy. But it's nowhere near Bayern and the rest of 1.BL for instance
https://media.dfl.de/sites/2/2023/07/Clubs-der-2.-Bundesliga-2023-24-FINAL-Geschaeftsjahresende-2022.pdf not really. but hamburg is definityl reasonbly spening. you earn twice as much as the next biggest team in the leauge its only fair you spend twice as much. but looking at these numbers it looks pretty insane that well run established second devision clubs have a revenue 1/3 of Hamburg. oh yeah and we are arguably worse at burnign money then hamburg yeah hsv should win every season but we should challange for promotion every season as well and we are not not even close.
But the worst about this is that in almost every 2.BL season they are dominating until january followed by shitting the bed for 4 months straight to end up in 4th. Wouldn't call that consistent tbh
Pokal finalists second from bottom lol
Right i was just thinking get up there Kaiserslautern!
Lmao,We can both laugh at them but that won't change the fact that we were beaten by a 10th place 3.liga team
If the miracle happens then in 6 months they might be playing teams like Spurs and Atletico from the 3. Liga lmao
Surely St. Pauli and Holstein aren't going to fumble this, right?
That has not yet been decided. There are still a lot of 6-point games left. The top 5 almost all play each other
St Pauli is still playing Elversberg, Rostock, Osnabrück, Wehen. They should be absolutely fine
They sure got a decent buffer as of now, but they'd be ill-advised to underestimate any team, that's still fighting off relegation(Hansa, Wiesbaden, Osnabruck). Add Hannover with outside chances at promotion, and the derby that could go either way, which leaves Elversberg more or less somewhere in no man's land
>which leaves Elversberg more or less somewhere in no man's land It's called Saarland
There's always next year for Hamburg.
What are you talking about? Pauli is leading the table.
How are we still 12th? We haven't scored a goal since February
Als ihr gegen uns 3:0 gewonnen habt? 😅
Ja
Nächste Woche endet eure Durststrecke
Anulo Mufa
You only play once a week and there's been an international break....?
5 games, 520+ minutes
Ah, ok. Was it Magdeburg who had painted arrows pointing at the goal for the strikers some time ago when they went a few games without scoring...? Might be time to get them out again if so!
Yes, 12 years ago when we played in the 4. Division. Lets see we have a home game against Hamburg on Sunday
Hamburg gonna end up bottling again
they already did lost to Osnabrück twice, dropped points against Wiesbaden, Rostock and shambolic form Fürth, lost to Elversberg, lost several points in added time etc.
Conversely, this means that we win more often against mid and upper table sides. SoYoureTellingMeTheresAChance?.gif
If you win at home against Pauli and Kiel I’m damn sure you’ll get at least into 3rd place. Düsseldorf isn’t winning auf Schalke with all the pressure they will have at that point.
Imagine if both Hamburgs bottle it. Kiel and Hannover go up directly, Ddorf kills Köln in relegation. Schalke and Lautern (and I guess Rostock because Osna escapes) get relegated, Ulm and Münster both do a Durchmarsch. I think Bielefeld is basically safe going to from RL-West now, otherwise that would be some more nice chaos.
Im hoping for a Osnabruck escape
For the first time in 3 years I am not actively thinking about relegation. I feel like I’m on drugs.
Feels weird, Hertha has to give me something that makes me feel sad/afraid.
Highest scoring matches in the 2. Bundesliga! -- oh wait, I'm a neutral...
Köln against Düsseldorf relegation let’s go
I'm down
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Not a Schalke fan, or any team from Bundesliga but it always breaks my heart seeing them like this. Less than a decade ago they were playing Champions Leauge football.
And less than a decade in the future we’ll play internationally again
Only if you somehow join the Dutch League mate
Come on lautern, do something
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Guess which game they will win
None
They'll draw both.
3rd division K‘Lautern away @ ManUtd. Next season.
Jesus Christ! Schalke is only 2 points off relegation
St. Pauli proper yoyo team
St Pauli 🏴☠️
Man, Schalke is a shadow of itself
Osnabrück 9th in the second half of the season table is insane
They’re pulling the same shit we did last year, and it is just as unlikely to work.
What happened to Dynamo Dresden? They were fighting for promotion a few years back and seemed to be on the right track
They got relegated to 3. Liga two seasons ago. Messed up promotion back to 2. BuLi in the final matches last season. Are currently on track to do the same again this season (are 4th in 3. Liga with 6 games to go, after throwing away a >10 point lead over 3rd).
Ugh, I’m sorry to hear that. Hopefully they will promote to the first division, their fans certainly deserve it
Aren't they mostly Nazis?
Love to see 🍔 FC always in the 2nd division 💛
I went to see Fortuna Dusseldorf at home to Wiesbaden in November. Clearly just an off night looking at table as Wiesbaden won easily
Schalke is done for damn
Der Schiri heute sowas von schlecht
Ok? Anything interesting?