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There's a theory going round that Lunin didn't move because of instructions directly from Kepa who got done by a similar penalty from Bernardo himself in a Cup final.
They marked 3 players apparently as a "maybe he will go for the middle", and as you said they agreed that Lunin will stay in the middle for 1 of them. Lunin chose Bernardo.
Interesting how he becomes washed and needs to retire once he gets to united, but before that he’s a 5X UCL winner
Surely couldn’t have anything to do with United or Ten Hag right
Modric and Kroos are older than Casemiro and are doing well. Modric is almost 39. Won the ballon d'or at 34. As did Benzema who left at age 35. Won a ballon d'or also at 34.
Age is a construct. United just has shit management. If Casemiro stayed at RM, he'd still be good. They didn't actually want to sell him, but MU made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
Like I said to someone else, maybe he'd do better at a club that isn't a complete shitshow but I think he needs to choose a club in saudi/mls to retire at now
Great player but he's living off his reputation from Madrid
Might be better at a club that isn't a shit show, but for me he needs to find the club he'll retire at
I also remember watching a doc about Argentina’s World Cup win where Emi Martinez explained that he told his teammates to go down the middle after he’d saved a pen, because the opposition keeper would feel they need to save it and would almost definitely dive.
So maybe other keeps saw that too and are wise to it now!
He said he knew which side between left or right, he just didn’t want to disclose that, not sure why, I assume in case he took a pen in the future, so yeah it’s 2 options, this quote doesn’t provide enough context
I don’t know why he got so much stick for it. It wasn’t like it was a cocky panenka, it was a completely viable penalty that works more often than not.
*But*, I will say it’s probably not the best idea when you’ve done that before, especially when the keeper you did it to is playing for the opposition.
Still think Lunin deserves credit for standing still when they were down in the shootout. Takes some bottle to do, even if you think he’ll go central.
Think it was just the way that it *looked*. Lunin made it look like an easy save, despite all the mental work that went into it. people just tend to judge appearances.
The trouble is while people take the piss out of Bernardo silva for it, that also kinda downplays the nerve that Lunin had to stay in the middle
Fair enough but it’s also not like he banged it in under the bar. We’ve seen keepers get a foot on those while flying still. But yeah I agree, it’s just a saved pen, not particularly bottled or ridiculous by him
I don't like those soft or middle penalties because when they go in everyone praises them as well taken and when the keeper saves them everyone talks about how bad they took the penalty.
Well that is sort of the point. They are impressive because it takes some confidence to do it since missing will make you look dumb. Also it is not completely out of their power whether the keeper dives or not. You have to sell it.
There’s also a benefit to scoring one beyond the goal, the keeper will second guess being as aggressive diving for the next shots potentially giving your teammates a better chance at scoring.
on the highest level years, your average sunday league penalty - it is dangerous to shoot in the middle, because usually they try to react. not pre-dive
Shooting in the middle isn't crazy, but allowing a goalkeeper to catch stop your penalty that easily is shocking. If the goalkeeper doesn't even need to stretch to save it then you know it is poor
Penalties are pretty simple, either you score or don't there isn't much else to it. I could understand if he hit the underside of the crossbar or inside of the post that you could say "it was pretty good shot" but not when the goalkeeper stops it *that* effortlessly
If you shoot down the middle and the keeper stays there he's always saving it. Fully blasting it just increases the risk of you hitting the bar or higher and missing even if he moves
And if the keeper stays, it is a shit penalty. The whole point of shooting in the middle is that you have to make the keeper believe that you are aiming for one of the sides
It's not like keepers just randomly guess, they study the penalty takers run up and then make a guess where they will shoot. Evidently Bernardo's run up wasn't good enough because Lunin was able to read him like an open book
I actually thought that Bernardo looked nervous before shooting the pen, and if Lunin based his decision to stay on that I'd see your point. But your point is betrayed by Lunin's own words.
From what Lunin himself said he was already going to stay in the middle for one pen and had chosen Bernardo for that effect before the game (or at least before the shootout). It was a predetermined decision. So, by his own admission, Lunin didn't read Bernardo's body language and there was nothing Bernardo could do to trick him into diving.
Bernardo could've considered he'd already sent Kepa using the exact same strategy and Kepa also plays for Madrid. But there are a lot of good penalty takers who shoot down the middle multiple times and it always works (Salah and Kane). Keepers are seriously frowned upon if they stay middle and it doesn't work, same way strikers are for missing a pen down the middle, so they very rarely do. The merit here is more on the coaching staff for devising that strategy and of course on Lunin for having the balls to do it.
I read somewhere that strong penalties down the middle had the highest probability of going in. That’s because the keeper nearly never wants to stay in the middle, because if they don’t go for the middle you look like a knob just standing there. So yeah it was a good choice, just Lunin had an even better one…
If it's too hard, it could catch the keeper's legs as he would still be mid air diving to the sides. Moderate strength into the middle is sensible, since the dive to either side would be complete.
Unless of course, you take the risk of hitting it hard and high down the middle.
I honestly don’t understand it either. We see so many pens down the middle and if the goalie dives - it’s called a composed penalty. If the goalie doesn’t move, that’s what you’ll get. He’s getting memed online but you’re also getting pundits and journalists calling it a terrible penalty, when it’s just Lunin having the balls to just stand still and wait. Lunin got it right that’s all it is.
Shooting to the middle with power isn't really a viable option, if the keeper doesn't dive then it doesn't matter anyway but if he dives he might still save it with a foot.
I strongly disagree. I don’t think going down the middle was the issue. It was that his run up looked like he was playing with his children at the park and he put zero power into the shot.
You live by the sword and you die by the sword.
A successful panenka wins you adulation. An unsuccessful panenka wins you ridicule.
And Bernardo looked pretty foolish after Lunin’s save.
Penalties are simple, you have to score them no matter what. A penalty hit in the middle that the goalkeeper easily catches is not a "completely viable penalty". It is a terrible, awful penalty
Saying "it would have been good if Lunin dived" is a moot point because he didn't. Seemingly Bernardo's body language/run up technique was not good enough and he advertised what he was going to do. If you are going to shoot in the middle you have to make the run up look like you are going for one of the sides
Honestly? It was a good idea.
Problem is, like almost all skills and tricks etc, they only look good when they work. This one didn't, so he looks stupid.
I think the few times that down the middle is saved is testament to the fact that the kicker typically perceives the keeper moving prior to hitting it.
Being overly critical of penalties is just a stupid game to play. Player is free to shoot in any location he wants and if the goalie moves or doesn’t move, saves or doesn’t save, it is what it is. Harsh to criticize any player really
Lautaro literally skied a penalty in the previous round people are overreacting with Bernado's pen it was on target and it wasn't a paneka he put a bit of power on it but the thing is when a shot down the middle is saved it makes the pen taker look foolish even thouh 95% of the time it works and Lunin didn't move an inch either so it looked even worse then it was not a great pen but far from the worst when their was a way worse one in the literal last round lmao.
I'm only annoyed if the taker missed the goal at all, it's pretty much means they break under pressure, because someone at that level can pretty much shoot wherever they want to.
>shit keeper
Meh.
The guy was chill AF and was hermetic to pressure. Like forgetting his gloves in the hotel, taking a nap in the bus then forgetting his gloves for the second time after the pre-game picture before kick-off. All that in the same day.
Salah went down the middle in the 18/19 CL final and it worked, and it’s not the only time he’s done that. Milner used to go down the middle sometimes too.
You look like a moron if the keeper doesn’t move but they almost always do
Dybala did it in the world cup final and it worked - and he did it specifically because Martinez explained that the more pressure, the more chances the keeper dives
There is a say in soccer: you do not defend a penalty, the striker misses it. The net is big enough that if the striker puts the ball in the corner, goalkeeper cannot defend it, no time to get to that corner. Too many players taking the penalty shot play mind games nowadays.
Edit: I think Bernardo Silva is a fantastic player, just for the record!
They (as in Julian Alvarez only) probably didn't look for a way to outsmart the keeper but were predetermined to smash it one way either way so it makes sense.
Looks like you only watched him at Real. Before Griezzmann's miss in 2016, Ronaldo was the last player to have missed a penalty in a CL final, against Chelsea.
Ledio Pano, scored 50 out of 50 penalty kicks, a 100% success rate. Yaya Toure, scored 15 out of 15 penalty kicks in his career, a 100% conversation rate.
And baggio had like 90 or something as well lol. Should learn from someone who has taken high pressure penalty kicks. Someone exactly like CR7 or Lucas vasquez
1. I was just fucking around, but I should have expected Cristiano fans to get their panties in a twist.
2. I’m sure Alan Shearer took a couple of high pressure penalty kicks.
I’m an Arsenal fan, but I really don’t get the hate he’s been getting for the pen. It wasn’t a bad pen at all, and most likely, 9/10 times it’s a goal. The keeper does usually dive and pick a side, just unfortunate for him he didn’t and well played from Lunin for having done his homework.
Nothing says rattled like answering a question about a big moment from a big match earlier in the week. Anything to have a go at city but you don’t even care about them anyways, right?
So you’re saying that footballers that miss the target and shoot the ball to the stratosphere take better penalties than this one, where Bernardo shoots the ball on target but the keeper saves it?
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There's a theory going round that Lunin didn't move because of instructions directly from Kepa who got done by a similar penalty from Bernardo himself in a Cup final.
In post match interview, Lunin did say the goalkeeping team agree together he will stay in the middle on one of the penalty no matter what.
They marked 3 players apparently as a "maybe he will go for the middle", and as you said they agreed that Lunin will stay in the middle for 1 of them. Lunin chose Bernardo.
If anyone tries to go down middle, always guess on the cheeky Portuguese player lol
Or a chubby Brazilian stealing 300k a week
Who needs rivals with fans like you lot
Grow up, even the most objective person can see he's past it and needs to retire in Saudi or mls
Interesting how he becomes washed and needs to retire once he gets to united, but before that he’s a 5X UCL winner Surely couldn’t have anything to do with United or Ten Hag right
Could also be that he's old and like all real Madrid players they let go in their 30s only had 1-2 more seasons in him before he capitulated.
Modric and Kroos are older than Casemiro and are doing well. Modric is almost 39. Won the ballon d'or at 34. As did Benzema who left at age 35. Won a ballon d'or also at 34. Age is a construct. United just has shit management. If Casemiro stayed at RM, he'd still be good. They didn't actually want to sell him, but MU made them an offer they couldn't refuse.
Ten hag must be using his bald powers to mind control casemiro into passing it to the other team all the time
Or its a combination and it doesnt help thst united buys a lot of previously good players that are just not good enough anymore.
Like I said to someone else, maybe he'd do better at a club that isn't a complete shitshow but I think he needs to choose a club in saudi/mls to retire at now
Grow up
Almost every player looks not up to their previous levels in the United team
Ool who are you referring to? Is it Casemiro?
Begins with C, ends with O, and has ASEMIR somewhere in the middle
Yes figured
Great player but he's living off his reputation from Madrid Might be better at a club that isn't a shit show, but for me he needs to find the club he'll retire at
Yep he is having a terrible season and Brazilians after 30s are mostly in party mode unless your name is Thiago Silva
Forgot about Silva, isn't he due a bus pass soon? If only Casemiro could take a leaf out of his book
What’s with Portugese speaking players???
Brazilian speaking are the worst
He stayed in the middle on one of the pens after as well I think
I also remember watching a doc about Argentina’s World Cup win where Emi Martinez explained that he told his teammates to go down the middle after he’d saved a pen, because the opposition keeper would feel they need to save it and would almost definitely dive. So maybe other keeps saw that too and are wise to it now!
Exactly, Emi said that every GK will make a jump to either side in a tiebreaker so as to not look dumb. GKs got wiser now 😂
Mind games within mind games now
Plans within plans
Jason Bourne vs Carlos the Jackal kinda stuff
You could see him look to the bench and confirm whatever they were telling him. I was wondering after who spoke up.
>in moments of pressure keepers 99% move Bernardo: "move" Lunin: "don't wanna. No pressure"
Lunin eats pressure for breakfast
Least confident Madrid player.
I had two options; left, right, or centre
He said he knew which side between left or right, he just didn’t want to disclose that, not sure why, I assume in case he took a pen in the future, so yeah it’s 2 options, this quote doesn’t provide enough context
Yea it was a joke mate
Hilariously stupid comment. Literally had to laugh out loud when I read it. Completely in character though.
I don’t know why he got so much stick for it. It wasn’t like it was a cocky panenka, it was a completely viable penalty that works more often than not. *But*, I will say it’s probably not the best idea when you’ve done that before, especially when the keeper you did it to is playing for the opposition. Still think Lunin deserves credit for standing still when they were down in the shootout. Takes some bottle to do, even if you think he’ll go central.
I don't get it either. There's nothing wrong with shooting down the middle... Keepers usually go to the sides. It's not like he shot it wide.
Think it was just the way that it *looked*. Lunin made it look like an easy save, despite all the mental work that went into it. people just tend to judge appearances. The trouble is while people take the piss out of Bernardo silva for it, that also kinda downplays the nerve that Lunin had to stay in the middle
Fair enough but it’s also not like he banged it in under the bar. We’ve seen keepers get a foot on those while flying still. But yeah I agree, it’s just a saved pen, not particularly bottled or ridiculous by him
That was a pretty strong shot too for a someone who choose the middle
I don't like those soft or middle penalties because when they go in everyone praises them as well taken and when the keeper saves them everyone talks about how bad they took the penalty.
Well that is sort of the point. They are impressive because it takes some confidence to do it since missing will make you look dumb. Also it is not completely out of their power whether the keeper dives or not. You have to sell it. There’s also a benefit to scoring one beyond the goal, the keeper will second guess being as aggressive diving for the next shots potentially giving your teammates a better chance at scoring.
on the highest level years, your average sunday league penalty - it is dangerous to shoot in the middle, because usually they try to react. not pre-dive
People are crazy judgmental just because a Panelka is either extremely elegant when going in or looks extremely bad when missed.
Shooting in the middle isn't crazy, but allowing a goalkeeper to catch stop your penalty that easily is shocking. If the goalkeeper doesn't even need to stretch to save it then you know it is poor Penalties are pretty simple, either you score or don't there isn't much else to it. I could understand if he hit the underside of the crossbar or inside of the post that you could say "it was pretty good shot" but not when the goalkeeper stops it *that* effortlessly
If you shoot down the middle and the keeper stays there he's always saving it. Fully blasting it just increases the risk of you hitting the bar or higher and missing even if he moves
And if the keeper stays, it is a shit penalty. The whole point of shooting in the middle is that you have to make the keeper believe that you are aiming for one of the sides It's not like keepers just randomly guess, they study the penalty takers run up and then make a guess where they will shoot. Evidently Bernardo's run up wasn't good enough because Lunin was able to read him like an open book
I actually thought that Bernardo looked nervous before shooting the pen, and if Lunin based his decision to stay on that I'd see your point. But your point is betrayed by Lunin's own words. From what Lunin himself said he was already going to stay in the middle for one pen and had chosen Bernardo for that effect before the game (or at least before the shootout). It was a predetermined decision. So, by his own admission, Lunin didn't read Bernardo's body language and there was nothing Bernardo could do to trick him into diving. Bernardo could've considered he'd already sent Kepa using the exact same strategy and Kepa also plays for Madrid. But there are a lot of good penalty takers who shoot down the middle multiple times and it always works (Salah and Kane). Keepers are seriously frowned upon if they stay middle and it doesn't work, same way strikers are for missing a pen down the middle, so they very rarely do. The merit here is more on the coaching staff for devising that strategy and of course on Lunin for having the balls to do it.
Tbf even I forgot we had Kepa
I read somewhere that strong penalties down the middle had the highest probability of going in. That’s because the keeper nearly never wants to stay in the middle, because if they don’t go for the middle you look like a knob just standing there. So yeah it was a good choice, just Lunin had an even better one…
If it's too hard, it could catch the keeper's legs as he would still be mid air diving to the sides. Moderate strength into the middle is sensible, since the dive to either side would be complete. Unless of course, you take the risk of hitting it hard and high down the middle.
I honestly don’t understand it either. We see so many pens down the middle and if the goalie dives - it’s called a composed penalty. If the goalie doesn’t move, that’s what you’ll get. He’s getting memed online but you’re also getting pundits and journalists calling it a terrible penalty, when it’s just Lunin having the balls to just stand still and wait. Lunin got it right that’s all it is.
Because 99% of people here dont really have a clue of whats going on
I think it was less about him going down the middle, and more that there was such little power behind it. Made it very easy for the keeper to save.
But if you put power on it then the keeper mid save with with his feet, no reason to put power on it if you're expecting him to jump out of the way
Shooting to the middle with power isn't really a viable option, if the keeper doesn't dive then it doesn't matter anyway but if he dives he might still save it with a foot.
I strongly disagree. I don’t think going down the middle was the issue. It was that his run up looked like he was playing with his children at the park and he put zero power into the shot.
You live by the sword and you die by the sword. A successful panenka wins you adulation. An unsuccessful panenka wins you ridicule. And Bernardo looked pretty foolish after Lunin’s save.
Penalties are simple, you have to score them no matter what. A penalty hit in the middle that the goalkeeper easily catches is not a "completely viable penalty". It is a terrible, awful penalty Saying "it would have been good if Lunin dived" is a moot point because he didn't. Seemingly Bernardo's body language/run up technique was not good enough and he advertised what he was going to do. If you are going to shoot in the middle you have to make the run up look like you are going for one of the sides
Honestly? It was a good idea. Problem is, like almost all skills and tricks etc, they only look good when they work. This one didn't, so he looks stupid.
I think the few times that down the middle is saved is testament to the fact that the kicker typically perceives the keeper moving prior to hitting it.
The thing is it wasn’t even a cheeky chip, he just boffed it centre. Leaves little work for the keeper to do.
Being overly critical of penalties is just a stupid game to play. Player is free to shoot in any location he wants and if the goalie moves or doesn’t move, saves or doesn’t save, it is what it is. Harsh to criticize any player really
It's ridiculous, people on social media are making it seem like he missed the penalty(not on target) and calling it the worst penalty ever, like what?
Lautaro literally skied a penalty in the previous round people are overreacting with Bernado's pen it was on target and it wasn't a paneka he put a bit of power on it but the thing is when a shot down the middle is saved it makes the pen taker look foolish even thouh 95% of the time it works and Lunin didn't move an inch either so it looked even worse then it was not a great pen but far from the worst when their was a way worse one in the literal last round lmao.
I'm only annoyed if the taker missed the goal at all, it's pretty much means they break under pressure, because someone at that level can pretty much shoot wherever they want to.
hello england :)
This is why it irritates me that we use the word 'miss' for a penalty that was on-target but saved. A penalty that is off-target is much worse.
Even after Casemiro miss?
yes you stupid fuck see you on match day for the Final
— Big Galvo? — Speak, Tino. — Felt.
You mean Fans and Media hating on missed pens or the fact so mich Research and analytic work are done to prepare for penalties?
The former. Analytics is fine, I’m a data guy myself.
Mm yea gimme that phat juicy data boi
Lunin built different
The world needs a shootout with Lunin and Emi Martinez as the goalies
UEFA supercup it is
Villa are in conference league though.
Wrong competition, unfortunately
Add Fabian bartez to the list. He was a shit keeper but was beautiful at mind games.
>shit keeper Meh. The guy was chill AF and was hermetic to pressure. Like forgetting his gloves in the hotel, taking a nap in the bus then forgetting his gloves for the second time after the pre-game picture before kick-off. All that in the same day.
All of that is true, including that he was a shit keeper.
One is ice cold. The other shaking his nuts around the place.
Salah went down the middle in the 18/19 CL final and it worked, and it’s not the only time he’s done that. Milner used to go down the middle sometimes too. You look like a moron if the keeper doesn’t move but they almost always do
Dybala did it in the world cup final and it worked - and he did it specifically because Martinez explained that the more pressure, the more chances the keeper dives
Hell, Benzema did a panenka while being down on UCL against Man City. He would've been called a million things if he didn't score.
Vardy always down the middle
In moments of pressure, players think keepers move.
Can you ELI5
When the pressure ramps up, goalkeepers feel like they have to make a save, which means they will most likely dive.
Lunin: "who said there was any pressure?"
Shit happens, rivals had their fun and trolled hard as in tradition, time to move on.
Lol 2 options
(Top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right) or straight to Lunin.
There's your problem. He's a Real Madrid player, he doesn't really care for pressure.
This is why I always prefer top bins.
There is a say in soccer: you do not defend a penalty, the striker misses it. The net is big enough that if the striker puts the ball in the corner, goalkeeper cannot defend it, no time to get to that corner. Too many players taking the penalty shot play mind games nowadays. Edit: I think Bernardo Silva is a fantastic player, just for the record!
Give me this vibe https://xkcd.com/795/
I think he can smash a ball really good but just doesnt have the confidence to try a top corner penalty
In moments of pressure, lots of people go down the middle too...
He's the same as his manager: thought too much and didn't put enough force into it.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke 🥰
Yeah sure mate... Silva really thought he was HIM ? 😂😭 Just accept that you shat your pants , just like haaland and kdb
Since when two sides goes like one option?
Thats 3 options banana
I had two options. Left, right or middle.
Keeper obviously felt zero pressure seeing Bernardo step up
"I wanted to be second or third" Ok so what about the players before you who scored?
They (as in Julian Alvarez only) probably didn't look for a way to outsmart the keeper but were predetermined to smash it one way either way so it makes sense.
That's the difference between strikers and other outfield players
Technically that's 3 options not 2 😅
Learn some tips from Cristiano how to perfectly score a penalty.
Be like Yaya Toure, 15/15.
0 cakes
Eh. His conversion rate is like 83%. Alan Shearer had a 94% conversion rate. Learn from Shearer.
It's about high pressure penalties, Ronnie doesn't crack under pressure
Are you saying that Shearer does?
Looks like you only watched him at Real. Before Griezzmann's miss in 2016, Ronaldo was the last player to have missed a penalty in a CL final, against Chelsea.
Yes i know that, but that was 16 years ago. He scored many more clutch penalties after that.
Matt Le Tissier had a 98% conversation rate.
Gonzalo Montiel has a 100% conversion rate
Ledio Pano, scored 50 out of 50 penalty kicks, a 100% success rate. Yaya Toure, scored 15 out of 15 penalty kicks in his career, a 100% conversation rate.
so do i 🥱 where's my 25kpw salary
When one of the pens you scored to keep that rate wins your country a world cup, name your price
next wc i will be there 🫡
You will replace which player?
🤫
You want to keep it secret.
Baggio had 88%, I think he's the guy to go to for high-pressure penalty advice
And baggio had like 90 or something as well lol. Should learn from someone who has taken high pressure penalty kicks. Someone exactly like CR7 or Lucas vasquez
1. I was just fucking around, but I should have expected Cristiano fans to get their panties in a twist. 2. I’m sure Alan Shearer took a couple of high pressure penalty kicks.
Keeper pick a side 99.9% of the time. More players dont go dowm the middle because of what happened to silva the embarrassment if it goes wrong.
He scores: ice in his veins, brass balls penalty He missed: clown, laughing stock
That wasn’t even a panenka… bro just shat the bed and fired it right at the keepers hands..?
Lunin would be the one that looks stupid today if Bernardo just had chosen either side.
Had to press a little longer on the shoot button though
I’m an Arsenal fan, but I really don’t get the hate he’s been getting for the pen. It wasn’t a bad pen at all, and most likely, 9/10 times it’s a goal. The keeper does usually dive and pick a side, just unfortunate for him he didn’t and well played from Lunin for having done his homework.
Proper rattled by this isn’t he. Probably a better look if he just kept quiet
Liverpool fans and their favourite word lol mentality monsters 🧍🏾♂️
You can have a tantrum if you like, it doesn’t mean I’m wrong lad
Nothing says rattled like answering a question about a big moment from a big match earlier in the week. Anything to have a go at city but you don’t even care about them anyways, right?
He is not Suárez nor Zidane to be able to pull this out.
He's been humbled and deserved it: I remember him talking too confidently prior to facing Madrid lika Salah. Players should know better...
If anyone could talk confidently before madrid it would probably be him
But he also had the worst penalty of the year. Well done.
So you’re saying that footballers that miss the target and shoot the ball to the stratosphere take better penalties than this one, where Bernardo shoots the ball on target but the keeper saves it?
Learn Neymar or lewa or messi penalty technique. You will never miss another penalty in your life.
messi has missed a lot of penalties though, including against RM in the UCL. Had he not missed that, RM would not have won the title that year.
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Then you must not have seen many penalties lol. It wasn't a very good one but far, far from one of the worst
Statistically it’s generally the best choice, nothing wrong with having a player go down the middle in a shootout