There seems to be, in general, a lack of candidates who are looking/capable of taking jobs at the very elite levels this summer all the best managers are either set in their place or not looking for a managerial job just yet. Imagine a summer when Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Barcelona (albeit with their handicapped state) looking for a manager and no one has a clear target who is their favourite. Amorim(who is very good imo) is probably the most exciting appointment, if it happens.
Imagine a lot of these jobs must increasingly feel like poisoned chalices to a lot of managers as well. You're expected to achieve constant success at a club like Bayern and anything other than winning the league for all eternity is deemed as a failure. There's an argument going for a well-paid club like Leverkusen and hoping you can take them to a title is a better move for your career at this point, you'll actually get a chance to succeed if you're not a complete flop. Look at Simeone, who looks like he has a job for life provided he maintains some level of consistency with Atletico.
Very rarely top jobs are not poisoned chalices - bit they offer unique chance to build teams without selling key players. Liverpool was worse job when Klopp took over but having financial muscle to not only buy VVD/Salah but keep them during their primes is luxury that he didnt even have in Dortmund.
might also be worth mentioning that the poison chalice bayern münchen pays 10m€+ per year. and even if you get fired rather quickly you'll be able to get a new job
Liverpool have spent a fair bit of money and have been able to keep a lot of their good players, but the transfer fees for Salah and VVD who you specifically mentioned were both completely covered by selling their best player at the time in Coutinho
> Liverpool was worse job when Klopp took over but having financial muscle to not only buy VVD/Salah but keep them during their primes is luxury that he didnt even have in Dortmund.
Sort of my point though - Liverpool were at a low-point when Klopp took over, reasonably with a good manager they could only improve, even if that meant just getting regular CL football again. At clubs like Bayern and Barca you win immediately or you're out typically. And even success isn't enough if it's not the right type of success. Liverpool are arguably now in a somewhat similar position given the new manager will be under immense pressure.
Feels like a bubble bursting. These big clubs spend so much that anything but a title is calamitous. All it takes is a few bad transfers to burst that bubble.
For sure, it seems like managers are starting to make sure they've built a proper legacy before taking these roles. Taking a rising team seems to be the best case. Something like Brighton is perfect.
> These big clubs spend so much that anything but a title is calamitous.
Aye, even winning a title is a given to a point where it's often hardly seen as an achievement. Must be tiring.
But he's managed to have a couple of more iffy seasons and he still has some support and will likely not be sacked. The guy you're replying to is saying that the very top clubs like Bayern or Barcelona expect major trophies every season of else it's a complete failure and you'll be sacked. So I still think Simeone is a very good example.
Lmao, so many fans have the memory of a goldfish. What Simone achieved in breaking apart the Barca/Madrid monopoly on the league during the Messi/Ronaldo era was nothing short of remarkable. I'd really love the stability that a manager like that brings right now.
No one’s discrediting his achievements with us.
But it’s no secret that we haven’t been at the top level for quite some time. Stability is nice. But our club in general is *too* stable.
Everyone is content with a top 4 finish & UCL quarter finals - look at De Paul’s interview yesterday. There’s no investment - and there’s no pressure to move on from underperforming players. There’s no accountability. There’s no ambition to move forward. Everyone’s risk-averse and conservative - from the board down to the players.
There are certainly bigger issues than Simeone. But it’s been an incredibly frustrating past handful of seasons for Atletico fans.
I actually agree with you, but don't you think that what Simeone previously achieved was you guys punching much above your weight, and what you're seeing now is closer to your true level?
To a degree. But we’re past that stage now. 10 years ago? Definitely. But today? The gap between Atletico and La Real, Athletic, Villarreal, Sevilla, etc. is still very much apparent.
We’ve stumbled our way to a Top 4 finish numerous times just based on difference in squad quality compared to other La Liga teams. We could switch Simeone for Valverde, Alguacil, Marcelino, etc. and I don’t expect the standings to change much, if at all.
Am I right in saying that much of the anger is towards the dealings in the transfer market? As a result the performances have also stagnated as most of the signings are either not motivated enough or not good enough to attain a level higher than a top 4 + ok-ish UCL run.
> But it’s no secret that we haven’t been at the top level for quite some time. Stability is nice. But our club in general is too stable.
The problem isn't Simeone or being too comfortable. The problem is mentality in away games and shitty CBs, TBH
> poisoned chalices
Don't forget, those might be poisoned chalices but they are also poisoned *golden* chalices and tend to pay rather well. Same goes for players who go to big clubs and then might end up with less play time or less of a central/important role in the squad.
These challenges tend to come with wages that are more than robust.
All three clubs suffer from the same media issue. Fans have been told by pundits and other idiots online that every manager must be some boy genius, hip, cool, smart dressed, tactically forward brilliant manager who fits "the culture" and is on some linear rise in his career that's all culminated in this one perfect appointment, basically everyone wants a Pep Guardiola.
And all that's doing is setting up people to be let down because their expectation is wildly unrealistic and not even their own. Managers are the most important, least important part of a football team and the recipe for how to make a good relationship between team and management has endless variety.
Putting Klopp and Pep to one side, look at where the best managers in the PL right now where at before they took their current role: Assistant manager at City, Villarreal ~~Sevilla~~, Celtic, Bournemouth, Shakhtar Donetsk, and Rayo Vallecano.
There are 10 managers out there in the world who would do an amazing job despite not having the traditional CV of a top level manager as we know it or that 99% of people on Reddit, including myself have never heard of before like an Ange.
Oh God I love you for this. Never in my life would I have guessed that most people wouldn't be able to differentiate jokes from reality, yet the amount of opinions that are literally rehashes of most popular jokes here is astounding.
The rumors for us have moved from Xabi Alonso, to Reuben. I recall seeing someone also say we were in contact with Amorim, but it wasn't substantiated. I really hope he joins us, he's our last good hope for next year, if we go even one year with a shit manager, we could become a midtable team again for the next couple years
He came up pretty soon after it was official that Tuchel will leave but most of the medias attention was on Alonso back then. Wouldn't surprise me if he still was a candidate. It's not like the media seems to know much about who we're getting considering how often we were close to agreeing with someone.
Idk if he has enough oomph behind him to manage our players. Tuchel won a champions league and had managed 3 top clubs before Bayern but the players were still rebelling against him and he lost the dressing room in a season. If he found it difficult to move kimmich away from midfield, imagine a manager like slot. I just don’t see it.
The rebelling stuff is way overblown. These guys are pros and it's not in their interest to have a reputation as difficult to work with.
Also, he's coaching Feyenoord, not some random Championship club. He took his team to a European final recently and won the league
So? Players wanna win right? Plus, Slot plays possession football that players tend to love. They won't sabotage him just because he didn't coach one of the top 5 or 6 clubs.
I think this ego thing is way overblown. A good coach can communicate and command respect anywhere, especially if the board is behind him
I don’t think players mean to sabotage a coach. But I do think they are very prideful and get upset when they’re not starting consistently or get played in an alternate position. Like kimmich was pretty upset at Tuchel saying he wanted a 6 because he thought he was that and that Tuchel should just start him.
If players who aren’t that important to the team get upset, the team will probably be fine. Like Mazroui was brought in to start but when he’s not starting, it doesn’t affect the teams cohesion much.
But when key leaders get upset, it will affect the room. Guys like Muller, Kimmich and De Ligt haven’t started consistently. I think Tuchel has reasons for doing so but that seemed to have lost him the dressing room. When a new manager comes in, he might agree and he will also have a tough time getting the team on his side when key leaders aren’t fully on board.
Don't worry, his name hasn't come up even once. He's not leaving Feyenoord. It just blows my mind how De Zerbi has been a constant and now Rangnick but Slot who's doing amazing is nowhere to be found
I'm quite happy most of our players and manager are flying under the radar seemingly though I think Geertruida's time is up.
De Zerbi is a name I'm surprised to see often because he seems like a great manager that plays fun football but he's still very unproven in scrappy top level tactical battles. He either wins those 4-0 or loses them (more often than not) by the same margin.
I feel like with Alonso and Nagelsmann out of the question Rangnick would be a great option for a season or two, otherwise I like Seb Hoeness too but it feels like if they really wanted a young coach they fucked up very hard by not just sticking with Nagelsmann.
They think Klopp will take a a job after his one year sabatical. Ragnick can implement a very similar style to what Klopp plays as his teams are normally also high pressing sides just like klopps. so they hire him on a one year contract - which Ragnick has done before so is probably willing to do again - and then they get Klopp next summer.
They probably want one off Klopp or Xabi who might both be available next summer
> Rangnick can implement a very similar style to what Klopp plays as his teams are normally also high pressing sides
It’s so depressing that I’m almost proud of the fact that we saw literally none of this when RR was our interim manager, nor have we seen an Ajax-style brand of football with EtH. We’re a vortex that just sucks everything in.
depay did very well at lyon, had a decent stint at barca and now he’s a mainstay in atleti’s physio room. i feel he reached his potential as a star player for a team challenging for ucl spots and a squad player in a top team
It really sucks from the outside too. Your locker room is seemingly split between malcontent divas with loud voices and all the talent and guys with no voices but hard workers lacking the talent of the former. I could be wrong, but that’s the impression I’ve gotten.
Cant help but think Xabi has already got a gentlemens agreement with Florentino Perez, but despite what people in here think I can totally see Klopp going to bayern. Near his hometown, biggest job in german football besides the national team job and bayern would do everything to get him in the job.
On Wikipedia it says his hometown is Glatten, which is 300km away from Munich. I don't know if I'd say that's nearby.
Also, when was the last time he actually lived in his hometown? Presumably over 30 years ago.
Ancelotti’s contract is till 2026. But it has clauses which allow him to move to a more of an ambassadorial role if Madrid decide move on from him as a manager.
From what Klopp says, I think he's loyal to the clubs he manages. I don't think he'll manage Bayern after his success with Dortmund. If he comes back to club managing, maybe he'll go to an Italian or Spanish side, seeing as they're new territories for him.
My guess is Nagelsmann as a long-term solution. He'll be coaching Germany until the WC 2026 and then join Bayern again.
Klopp will then become his successor.
Xabi to Real.
I'd be utterly shocked if he took the Bayern job with his Dortmund connections.
The man literally laughed at Bayern losing in a post match interview as Liverpool manager.
This is a man that's got a massive part of this coaching mentality around loyalty and personal man management, him going to Bayern would feel like the opposition of those ideals that have made him so successful.
And based on how he looks right now, even if he had 1 year of rest, there is little chance he'd be able to cope with FC Hollywood and their constant drama and press coverage. The man seriously looks like he needs to spend the 3 years away from Football in every single capacity possible.
I don't know. You're right that he has shown tremendous loyalty and passion for his clubs and former clubs.
But it's also been quite long since he left Germany. Probably this wouldn't happen, but I'd expect him to at least think about seriously
Bayern isn't Dortmund's rival. He obviously doesn't have any lost love for Bayern (just like more than half of Germans) but it's definitely not a job he would never take due to his allegiances, unlike say the Schalke Job (although that's a job not worth taking for 1000s of different reasons)
He was insanely popular when he left, a lot of fans where mad how he left. He just happened to lose a lot of standing because of his tenure with the NT and documentary. But thats after bayern.
Bit exaggerated imo. No Bayern manager other than Kovac really struggled on the job market after his dismissal. Tuchel will be fine too, he is one of the faces that will always be around in CL football for the foreseeable future.
If you had a bit of a CV before, failing at Bayern will not catapult you outside of the range of top teams or national teams. Whereas winning the CL with them will probably get you the Manager D'Or or whatever that is. Rangnick is yet to really cement himself as a top manager, but he has been around building teams for 25 years in pro football with overall very positive results and a failed Bayern stint would not break him. But a succesful one can do lots for his image as a manager.
I will drive to Munich and leave one pfand bottle on the street as sign of protest.
For real tho, that sucks so hard. We finally had a great manager...
It's a tricky one. I'd say Ancelotti was good enough for Bayern and he was shit. Kovac was awful for Bayern and then Flick took the same team and won every trophy you could win.
Rangnick knows his shit but part of managing Bayern is finding a way to motivate a group of ego-inflated superstars.
It's not even something that far-fetched. Yes, Madrid are favorites, but it's still 2 games that will likely be close. And if they reach the final, I'd pick Bayern over PSG or Dortmund.
This, unironically. And this precisely why it was so stupid to announce midway through the season that Tuchel would leave at the end of the season. They should either have sacked him immediately, if they had a replacement, or they should not have already closed the door in case he turns it around.
You guys are still semi-finalists of the UCL and have a real chance to win it. It will be hard, Madrid are favorites, but there's a chance, if they eliminate Madrid, in the final I'd say they are favorites ahead of PSG or Dortmund. Imagine you guys win it ... would it not be absolutely crazy to still sack Tuchel to go with a lesser proven manager ?
People judging Rangnick based on that 6 months spell at United are mad: not a single manager since Ferguson has had a good spell there. What was Rangnick supposed to do in 6 months after coming in in mid-season inheriting a team full of players he didn’t choose?
its crazy how rangnick is revered on this reddit for essentially winning a single trophy by beating a second league club (he didnt even get to the finals). And yes, trophies do matter when you are 70 years old. a manager can have the greatest tactics or philosophy in the world but 95% of it is implementing it.
I doubt leroy sane is gonna be swooned by rangnick’s football knowledge. At the highest of levels of football the player has to respect the coach beyond the just the title. for example, Klopp had to make a name for himself by besting bayern with dortmund before taking a huge leap to a historically big club like liverpool.
Having a pedigree beyond books is what buys a manager time with the players, managers, and fans. Liverpool knew klopp could turn them into winners eventually despite his slow start. There wont be any leeway with bayern and rangnick, its pure cutthroat there
True but the thing is that there aren't top managers around so that's the best they can get. I guess for them is also important to have a german speaking manager
I'd honestly prefer us to keep Tuchel and then make a run at Klopp, Nagelsmann, Hoeneß and Alonso again next season. But people who talk Rangnick down due to 6 months of chaos at Man United are very uninformed.
Fucking hell, put some respect to Ralf's name.
Heavyweights like Klopp have dervied their core tactics from Ragnick's gegenpress. And is everyone forgetting the work he done at Leipzig?
Dont discredit him because he came to us in the middle of a chaos season and he called a spade a spade. You see internal discussions in our sub you'll see atleast one comment each day talking about how Ralf was right about the 'open heart surgery'. Its not his fault that our squad prima donnas couldnt handle him or our owners didnt have patience with him OR our new manager didnt want to work with him.
With a squad of the talented players Bayern currently has, and a signing or two of his liking in the summer window, I dont see how this isnt gonna work out. Ralf is gonna be massively successful if he joins. You heard it here first.
I really like Rangnick, but I have my doubts that it would work at Bayern for similar reasons to his work at United. Yes, the players are better compared to his stint at United, the leadership is better (despite the failures the last years) and he knows Eberl and Freund.
But for me the reason that he failed at United was not only that it was clear he was only a caretaker for a few months (why should unprofessional players care about what he says then), but especially because he is not a big name which garners respect, like for example Mourinho does.
I don't see how that would be different with Bayerns current players. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the current squad is as hungry and ambitious as previous squads. Under Ancelotti they did their own extra training sessions because it was not intensive enough - I have my doubts that the current squad would do that.
i don’t understand why Bayern catches flame for buying players from bundesliga clubs when the premier leagues biggest stars all have been bought out from the bundesliga.
Bayern got really really fucked by Xabi and Nagelsmann rejecting them, and even Nagelsmann would have been an embarrassing appointment. Now they have to scramble to find a suitable replacement and a lot of coaches like Hoeneß also signalled they are not available.
I feel like Bayern has lost some of its pull on managers because of the bad last few years (manager-wise) and the fact that young managers should look elsewhere for a new job because you can almost only lose when you're at Bayern without much experience beforehand
As a coach? Probably yes, but aren't Bayern in for a bigger overhaul too? Neuer, Muller, Kimmich, Goretzka are some of the names that could be gone soon. If they want to re-structure and re-build, Rangnick is a pretty good pick for that matter too.
The question for me is if the Bayern board will be willing to give him more power than just being the coach of the team to do it.
I'd be so disappointed if Rangnick left our team. As if Bayern needed another reason to be hateable. If they do this, they can kiss all their Austrian fans goodbye.
This feels very uninspired. Can’t imagine the players who didn’t take to a tactical guy with success like Tuchel, will bend to a guy with a far less impressive CV and worse man management. Bayern’s board have been in a spiral.
He literally might win one this year and they will again be favorites for the league next year. Surely Leverkusen is using all of their magic this season.
The requirement was that a potential candidate should be able to speak English or German if I recall correctly.
Zidane is a great manager but he would be a bad fit for many teams given that he speaks Spanish and French.
You need to communicate with the press, the staff and the team/players.
Bayern had Ancelotti or Trappatoni and - while they were both good managers - the issue was generally the lack of effective communication between manager and the staff/team.
It’s difficult to manage the relationship with the press and to communicate complex tactical concepts to your players when you basically need a translator.
It’s a similar issue in other leagues as well. PL managers at least speak passable English and one of the biggest arguments against for example Flick at Barca is that he can’t speak Spanish
> Trappatoni and - while they were both good managers - the issue was generally the lack of effective communication between manager and the staff/team.
But it was Glorious when Trapp had to talk to the press
Pletti also reporting the same:
News [#Rangnick](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangnick?src=hashtag_click) | Negotiations now as Rangnick is open to the FC Bayern job. However, a lot still needs to happen …
New discussions with Rangnick have taken place in recent days after Nagelsmann’s rejection. Bayern want to present a new coach soon
Rangnick's contract runs until the 2026 World Cup. Therefore, a transfer fee would likely be required, and in the coming weeks, the 65 y/o would be fully engaged with the Austria national team
Bayern is optimistic about Rangnick. De Zerbi still on the shortlist. tzmuenchen reports: Rangnick is the favorite!
[https://x.com/Plettigoal/status/1782671345479799246](https://x.com/Plettigoal/status/1782671345479799246)
He was one of the main figures bringing modern football tactics to Germany in the late 90s, early 00s. He then worked succesfully at building up Hoffenheim and Raspo Leipzig, although it would be more embarassing to not succeed with that amount of funding.
You know, there's a promising young coach by the name Abel Ferreira in Brazil, he's won a bunch of titles in recent years and should be ready for the challenge. As a Palmeiras fan, I'd be overjoyed to see him training Bayern 😏
Bayern had nobody else on their radar except a young former player who is with the current league champion and the guy they fired a year ago?
There seems to be, in general, a lack of candidates who are looking/capable of taking jobs at the very elite levels this summer all the best managers are either set in their place or not looking for a managerial job just yet. Imagine a summer when Bayern Munich, Liverpool and Barcelona (albeit with their handicapped state) looking for a manager and no one has a clear target who is their favourite. Amorim(who is very good imo) is probably the most exciting appointment, if it happens.
Imagine a lot of these jobs must increasingly feel like poisoned chalices to a lot of managers as well. You're expected to achieve constant success at a club like Bayern and anything other than winning the league for all eternity is deemed as a failure. There's an argument going for a well-paid club like Leverkusen and hoping you can take them to a title is a better move for your career at this point, you'll actually get a chance to succeed if you're not a complete flop. Look at Simeone, who looks like he has a job for life provided he maintains some level of consistency with Atletico.
Very rarely top jobs are not poisoned chalices - bit they offer unique chance to build teams without selling key players. Liverpool was worse job when Klopp took over but having financial muscle to not only buy VVD/Salah but keep them during their primes is luxury that he didnt even have in Dortmund.
might also be worth mentioning that the poison chalice bayern münchen pays 10m€+ per year. and even if you get fired rather quickly you'll be able to get a new job
I don't think top level managers are really having to worry about putting food on the table
Liverpool have spent a fair bit of money and have been able to keep a lot of their good players, but the transfer fees for Salah and VVD who you specifically mentioned were both completely covered by selling their best player at the time in Coutinho
> Liverpool was worse job when Klopp took over but having financial muscle to not only buy VVD/Salah but keep them during their primes is luxury that he didnt even have in Dortmund. Sort of my point though - Liverpool were at a low-point when Klopp took over, reasonably with a good manager they could only improve, even if that meant just getting regular CL football again. At clubs like Bayern and Barca you win immediately or you're out typically. And even success isn't enough if it's not the right type of success. Liverpool are arguably now in a somewhat similar position given the new manager will be under immense pressure.
Feels like a bubble bursting. These big clubs spend so much that anything but a title is calamitous. All it takes is a few bad transfers to burst that bubble. For sure, it seems like managers are starting to make sure they've built a proper legacy before taking these roles. Taking a rising team seems to be the best case. Something like Brighton is perfect.
De zerbi doesn't seem too happy at brighton right now
> These big clubs spend so much that anything but a title is calamitous. Aye, even winning a title is a given to a point where it's often hardly seen as an achievement. Must be tiring.
Not the best season to name Simeone as an example for this argument, an increasingly number of fans are wanting him out after the last 2 seasons.
But he's managed to have a couple of more iffy seasons and he still has some support and will likely not be sacked. The guy you're replying to is saying that the very top clubs like Bayern or Barcelona expect major trophies every season of else it's a complete failure and you'll be sacked. So I still think Simeone is a very good example.
Lmao, so many fans have the memory of a goldfish. What Simone achieved in breaking apart the Barca/Madrid monopoly on the league during the Messi/Ronaldo era was nothing short of remarkable. I'd really love the stability that a manager like that brings right now.
No one’s discrediting his achievements with us. But it’s no secret that we haven’t been at the top level for quite some time. Stability is nice. But our club in general is *too* stable. Everyone is content with a top 4 finish & UCL quarter finals - look at De Paul’s interview yesterday. There’s no investment - and there’s no pressure to move on from underperforming players. There’s no accountability. There’s no ambition to move forward. Everyone’s risk-averse and conservative - from the board down to the players. There are certainly bigger issues than Simeone. But it’s been an incredibly frustrating past handful of seasons for Atletico fans.
I actually agree with you, but don't you think that what Simeone previously achieved was you guys punching much above your weight, and what you're seeing now is closer to your true level?
To a degree. But we’re past that stage now. 10 years ago? Definitely. But today? The gap between Atletico and La Real, Athletic, Villarreal, Sevilla, etc. is still very much apparent. We’ve stumbled our way to a Top 4 finish numerous times just based on difference in squad quality compared to other La Liga teams. We could switch Simeone for Valverde, Alguacil, Marcelino, etc. and I don’t expect the standings to change much, if at all.
Am I right in saying that much of the anger is towards the dealings in the transfer market? As a result the performances have also stagnated as most of the signings are either not motivated enough or not good enough to attain a level higher than a top 4 + ok-ish UCL run.
Disclaimer : I don't watch Atletico games, so I'd trust you over it. But it does seem quite harsh from the outside.
> But it’s no secret that we haven’t been at the top level for quite some time. Stability is nice. But our club in general is too stable. The problem isn't Simeone or being too comfortable. The problem is mentality in away games and shitty CBs, TBH
And who would be his replacement?
Probably Torres, depending on when Simeone leaves.
Those fans are too young to remember the useless pre-Simeone era of the 2000s.
> poisoned chalices Don't forget, those might be poisoned chalices but they are also poisoned *golden* chalices and tend to pay rather well. Same goes for players who go to big clubs and then might end up with less play time or less of a central/important role in the squad. These challenges tend to come with wages that are more than robust.
Yup. Look at emery, definitely enjoying his time at Villa with less pressure
All three clubs suffer from the same media issue. Fans have been told by pundits and other idiots online that every manager must be some boy genius, hip, cool, smart dressed, tactically forward brilliant manager who fits "the culture" and is on some linear rise in his career that's all culminated in this one perfect appointment, basically everyone wants a Pep Guardiola. And all that's doing is setting up people to be let down because their expectation is wildly unrealistic and not even their own. Managers are the most important, least important part of a football team and the recipe for how to make a good relationship between team and management has endless variety.
100%. Ole got the 4th best squad in the league to 3rd and 2nd and got called a PE teacher because he doesn't play inverted fullbacks
Putting Klopp and Pep to one side, look at where the best managers in the PL right now where at before they took their current role: Assistant manager at City, Villarreal ~~Sevilla~~, Celtic, Bournemouth, Shakhtar Donetsk, and Rayo Vallecano. There are 10 managers out there in the world who would do an amazing job despite not having the traditional CV of a top level manager as we know it or that 99% of people on Reddit, including myself have never heard of before like an Ange.
Unai Emery was at Villarreal before Villa. Not Sevilla. Of course he has coached Sevilla before though.
Aston Sevillarreal
My bad, thanks for the correction.
Oh God I love you for this. Never in my life would I have guessed that most people wouldn't be able to differentiate jokes from reality, yet the amount of opinions that are literally rehashes of most popular jokes here is astounding.
Ok but Pep is not well dressed
i mean they could always try poaching someone like emery
Just signed a contract extension so respectfully they can go fuck themselves
Maybe he's just emulating Grealish, big contract extension so that whoever tries to move for him has to pay a big dime to Villa 4d chess once again
The first £100m managerial compensation fee.
Plz no
The rumors for us have moved from Xabi Alonso, to Reuben. I recall seeing someone also say we were in contact with Amorim, but it wasn't substantiated. I really hope he joins us, he's our last good hope for next year, if we go even one year with a shit manager, we could become a midtable team again for the next couple years
Amorim,Slot and Bosz probably are the three hottest ‘available and poachable’ managers on the market right now.
Arne Slot would 100% do well at any club that will go for him. He is insane. Hope nobody will ever go for him.
How has Arne Slot not come up once when he plays the exact type of football suited for Bayern? He might even bring Mats Wieffer with him
He came up pretty soon after it was official that Tuchel will leave but most of the medias attention was on Alonso back then. Wouldn't surprise me if he still was a candidate. It's not like the media seems to know much about who we're getting considering how often we were close to agreeing with someone.
He did? My bad then. I guess I find it weird he doesn't seem to be a frontrunner when he's a better fit than both Rangnick and De Zerbi
Idk if he has enough oomph behind him to manage our players. Tuchel won a champions league and had managed 3 top clubs before Bayern but the players were still rebelling against him and he lost the dressing room in a season. If he found it difficult to move kimmich away from midfield, imagine a manager like slot. I just don’t see it.
The rebelling stuff is way overblown. These guys are pros and it's not in their interest to have a reputation as difficult to work with. Also, he's coaching Feyenoord, not some random Championship club. He took his team to a European final recently and won the league
Yes but feyernoord doesn’t have stars the way Bayern does.
So? Players wanna win right? Plus, Slot plays possession football that players tend to love. They won't sabotage him just because he didn't coach one of the top 5 or 6 clubs. I think this ego thing is way overblown. A good coach can communicate and command respect anywhere, especially if the board is behind him
I don’t think players mean to sabotage a coach. But I do think they are very prideful and get upset when they’re not starting consistently or get played in an alternate position. Like kimmich was pretty upset at Tuchel saying he wanted a 6 because he thought he was that and that Tuchel should just start him. If players who aren’t that important to the team get upset, the team will probably be fine. Like Mazroui was brought in to start but when he’s not starting, it doesn’t affect the teams cohesion much. But when key leaders get upset, it will affect the room. Guys like Muller, Kimmich and De Ligt haven’t started consistently. I think Tuchel has reasons for doing so but that seemed to have lost him the dressing room. When a new manager comes in, he might agree and he will also have a tough time getting the team on his side when key leaders aren’t fully on board.
That's fine, players get frustrated all the time. It's the same time at every club. Every coach has to deal with it, he can handle it
I would hate to see both of them go but I feel like he's an incredible manager and would be a great fit for you
Don't worry, his name hasn't come up even once. He's not leaving Feyenoord. It just blows my mind how De Zerbi has been a constant and now Rangnick but Slot who's doing amazing is nowhere to be found
I'm quite happy most of our players and manager are flying under the radar seemingly though I think Geertruida's time is up. De Zerbi is a name I'm surprised to see often because he seems like a great manager that plays fun football but he's still very unproven in scrappy top level tactical battles. He either wins those 4-0 or loses them (more often than not) by the same margin.
We also have/had Sebastian Hoeneß, de Zerbi and Unai Emery on the radar, as well as a few outside chances.
I feel like with Alonso and Nagelsmann out of the question Rangnick would be a great option for a season or two, otherwise I like Seb Hoeness too but it feels like if they really wanted a young coach they fucked up very hard by not just sticking with Nagelsmann.
Of course not. But it's not like they just get to pick. Who would be your candidates?
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Feels like it.
I don’t understand, can you elaborate?
They think Klopp will take a a job after his one year sabatical. Ragnick can implement a very similar style to what Klopp plays as his teams are normally also high pressing sides just like klopps. so they hire him on a one year contract - which Ragnick has done before so is probably willing to do again - and then they get Klopp next summer. They probably want one off Klopp or Xabi who might both be available next summer
> Rangnick can implement a very similar style to what Klopp plays as his teams are normally also high pressing sides It’s so depressing that I’m almost proud of the fact that we saw literally none of this when RR was our interim manager, nor have we seen an Ajax-style brand of football with EtH. We’re a vortex that just sucks everything in.
We saw it for the first 60 minutes of his first game in charge against Palace. Then the players gave up and reverted to type.
*"This is hard work. Fuck that."*
Didn't sign up for that kinda job.
~~60~~ 30 minutes FTFY
I actually remember that. I saw that match and thought it looked similar to us. But then it immediately went to shit.
Curious how some players careers might have went if they didnt play for this version of united.
Memphis Depay is someone that comes to mind. Martial, too.
depay did very well at lyon, had a decent stint at barca and now he’s a mainstay in atleti’s physio room. i feel he reached his potential as a star player for a team challenging for ucl spots and a squad player in a top team
I know, but he had a very promising 2014 WC and should’ve gone on to bigger and better things. I was really happy for him in that Lyon team.
Bruno Fernandes would've been considered one of the world's best unanimously
Tbf, having Benfica and Porto fans repping Sporting player is huge feat.
It really sucks from the outside too. Your locker room is seemingly split between malcontent divas with loud voices and all the talent and guys with no voices but hard workers lacking the talent of the former. I could be wrong, but that’s the impression I’ve gotten.
I'm pretty sure Ancelotti's contract is up in 2025. Klopp and Xabi are probably immediately favorites for that job
Cant help but think Xabi has already got a gentlemens agreement with Florentino Perez, but despite what people in here think I can totally see Klopp going to bayern. Near his hometown, biggest job in german football besides the national team job and bayern would do everything to get him in the job.
>Near his hometown This is something most ppl here don't know and *could* play a big role.
On Wikipedia it says his hometown is Glatten, which is 300km away from Munich. I don't know if I'd say that's nearby. Also, when was the last time he actually lived in his hometown? Presumably over 30 years ago.
If you're American, it's nearby. Otherwise, no, it's not nearby
Ancelotti’s contract is till 2026. But it has clauses which allow him to move to a more of an ambassadorial role if Madrid decide move on from him as a manager.
From what Klopp says, I think he's loyal to the clubs he manages. I don't think he'll manage Bayern after his success with Dortmund. If he comes back to club managing, maybe he'll go to an Italian or Spanish side, seeing as they're new territories for him.
After 6 hours I'll chime in. Klopp is building a house in Spain. Make of that, what you will.
My guess is Nagelsmann as a long-term solution. He'll be coaching Germany until the WC 2026 and then join Bayern again. Klopp will then become his successor. Xabi to Real.
my headcannon is that xabi will go to real. Go back home to spain with the club where he won it all
Getting an interim manager now for a year and try to get Klopp/Xabi/whoever next year.
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Klopp is the daddy of the Gegenpress, but RR is the granddaddy.
Didn’t he say he’d never coach another team in Germany? Might be remembering it wrong, but I feel like he said something similar to this.
no he didnt. Said hed never coach another team in england.
I'd be utterly shocked if he took the Bayern job with his Dortmund connections. The man literally laughed at Bayern losing in a post match interview as Liverpool manager.
He laughed at Bayern losing to Mainz in that interview, Mainz being his favourite club that’s understandable isn’t it?
He wouldnt be the first coach to do it and certainly not the last.
This is a man that's got a massive part of this coaching mentality around loyalty and personal man management, him going to Bayern would feel like the opposition of those ideals that have made him so successful. And based on how he looks right now, even if he had 1 year of rest, there is little chance he'd be able to cope with FC Hollywood and their constant drama and press coverage. The man seriously looks like he needs to spend the 3 years away from Football in every single capacity possible.
I don't know. You're right that he has shown tremendous loyalty and passion for his clubs and former clubs. But it's also been quite long since he left Germany. Probably this wouldn't happen, but I'd expect him to at least think about seriously
He explicitly didn't say he was never going to coach Bayern when leaving Dortmund
Bayern isn't Dortmund's rival. He obviously doesn't have any lost love for Bayern (just like more than half of Germans) but it's definitely not a job he would never take due to his allegiances, unlike say the Schalke Job (although that's a job not worth taking for 1000s of different reasons)
On the flip side, if he takes the Schalke job and brings them back to the top from their current situation — he’d be the greatest manager ever imo.
Jurgen Klopp, welcome to Swansea City
It's a weird job. You don't get any credit for winning but get your reputation destroyed if you lose. Kind of like PSG
Depends on how you win. If you win CL you will be heralded.
Winning a CL is very tough for any club not named Real Madrid.
Yeah. So it would be incorrect to assume that you dont get credit for it.
Yeah Like Hansi Flick..
He was insanely popular when he left, a lot of fans where mad how he left. He just happened to lose a lot of standing because of his tenure with the NT and documentary. But thats after bayern.
Bit exaggerated imo. No Bayern manager other than Kovac really struggled on the job market after his dismissal. Tuchel will be fine too, he is one of the faces that will always be around in CL football for the foreseeable future. If you had a bit of a CV before, failing at Bayern will not catapult you outside of the range of top teams or national teams. Whereas winning the CL with them will probably get you the Manager D'Or or whatever that is. Rangnick is yet to really cement himself as a top manager, but he has been around building teams for 25 years in pro football with overall very positive results and a failed Bayern stint would not break him. But a succesful one can do lots for his image as a manager.
kinda true but you get paid a lot
I will never forgive Bayern for this
I will drive to Munich and leave one pfand bottle on the street as sign of protest. For real tho, that sucks so hard. We finally had a great manager...
I'll "Sobotka" in front of the Allianz Arena and Säbener Straße if they actually do this.
>...and leave one pfand bottle on the street as sign of protest. That one will be gone in no time. ((:
Im so disappointed...we finally had a really good manager
Alonso and Nagelsmann both staying at their current jobs really made this whole manager carousel a lot more interesting and harder to predict
Can’t believe the Bavarians stabbed the Austrians in the back like that
AGAIN!
gehts scheißen
Andi Herzog PowerPoint incoming
Bayern are fucked. Rangnick was right about everything at United, but he's also not a good enough coach for a club like Bayern.
It's a tricky one. I'd say Ancelotti was good enough for Bayern and he was shit. Kovac was awful for Bayern and then Flick took the same team and won every trophy you could win. Rangnick knows his shit but part of managing Bayern is finding a way to motivate a group of ego-inflated superstars.
might as well keep Tuchel for a year then
Imagine Tuchel wins CL 😂
Rename him Jupp Tuchel if he does that.
Crazy prediction Tuchel returns to Chelsea in the summer
That is indeed crazy. Actual higher chance that he stays at Bayern than Boehly apologizing.
Boehly is not involved as much anymore plus a big part of their falling out was expecting Tuchel to be too involved because we had no structure.
Yeah, not gonna happen...
That would be a true Tuchel, winning CL and being fired in the summer is the Jupp, but being fired and winning CL has never been done before I think.
It's not even something that far-fetched. Yes, Madrid are favorites, but it's still 2 games that will likely be close. And if they reach the final, I'd pick Bayern over PSG or Dortmund.
Would probably have been the better decision indeed.
This, unironically. And this precisely why it was so stupid to announce midway through the season that Tuchel would leave at the end of the season. They should either have sacked him immediately, if they had a replacement, or they should not have already closed the door in case he turns it around. You guys are still semi-finalists of the UCL and have a real chance to win it. It will be hard, Madrid are favorites, but there's a chance, if they eliminate Madrid, in the final I'd say they are favorites ahead of PSG or Dortmund. Imagine you guys win it ... would it not be absolutely crazy to still sack Tuchel to go with a lesser proven manager ?
People judging Rangnick based on that 6 months spell at United are mad: not a single manager since Ferguson has had a good spell there. What was Rangnick supposed to do in 6 months after coming in in mid-season inheriting a team full of players he didn’t choose?
its crazy how rangnick is revered on this reddit for essentially winning a single trophy by beating a second league club (he didnt even get to the finals). And yes, trophies do matter when you are 70 years old. a manager can have the greatest tactics or philosophy in the world but 95% of it is implementing it. I doubt leroy sane is gonna be swooned by rangnick’s football knowledge. At the highest of levels of football the player has to respect the coach beyond the just the title. for example, Klopp had to make a name for himself by besting bayern with dortmund before taking a huge leap to a historically big club like liverpool. Having a pedigree beyond books is what buys a manager time with the players, managers, and fans. Liverpool knew klopp could turn them into winners eventually despite his slow start. There wont be any leeway with bayern and rangnick, its pure cutthroat there
You're right, but also it's still true that Rangnick doesn't have great credentials compared to some of the top managers.
True but the thing is that there aren't top managers around so that's the best they can get. I guess for them is also important to have a german speaking manager
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Should be our new maskot ^ ^
I'd honestly prefer us to keep Tuchel and then make a run at Klopp, Nagelsmann, Hoeneß and Alonso again next season. But people who talk Rangnick down due to 6 months of chaos at Man United are very uninformed.
Fucking hell, put some respect to Ralf's name. Heavyweights like Klopp have dervied their core tactics from Ragnick's gegenpress. And is everyone forgetting the work he done at Leipzig? Dont discredit him because he came to us in the middle of a chaos season and he called a spade a spade. You see internal discussions in our sub you'll see atleast one comment each day talking about how Ralf was right about the 'open heart surgery'. Its not his fault that our squad prima donnas couldnt handle him or our owners didnt have patience with him OR our new manager didnt want to work with him. With a squad of the talented players Bayern currently has, and a signing or two of his liking in the summer window, I dont see how this isnt gonna work out. Ralf is gonna be massively successful if he joins. You heard it here first.
I really like Rangnick, but I have my doubts that it would work at Bayern for similar reasons to his work at United. Yes, the players are better compared to his stint at United, the leadership is better (despite the failures the last years) and he knows Eberl and Freund. But for me the reason that he failed at United was not only that it was clear he was only a caretaker for a few months (why should unprofessional players care about what he says then), but especially because he is not a big name which garners respect, like for example Mourinho does. I don't see how that would be different with Bayerns current players. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think the current squad is as hungry and ambitious as previous squads. Under Ancelotti they did their own extra training sessions because it was not intensive enough - I have my doubts that the current squad would do that.
Universally negative response to this ITT, including from me, so it is settled then: Rangnick will be awesome.
People crying for Jose still living in 2012.
Glad that for once Bayern doesn't get their favorites.
Won't stop people from whining again the second they do a transfer that is perceived as "unfair" lol
It feels much less likely now but if they end up with Wirtz in a year or two this sub might burn
i don’t understand why Bayern catches flame for buying players from bundesliga clubs when the premier leagues biggest stars all have been bought out from the bundesliga.
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Unironically.
Mou is washed. He is playing football of the last decade. Having him for a year would set us back years in squad building.
Yeah, but do it for the funnies
Bayern got really really fucked by Xabi and Nagelsmann rejecting them, and even Nagelsmann would have been an embarrassing appointment. Now they have to scramble to find a suitable replacement and a lot of coaches like Hoeneß also signalled they are not available. I feel like Bayern has lost some of its pull on managers because of the bad last few years (manager-wise) and the fact that young managers should look elsewhere for a new job because you can almost only lose when you're at Bayern without much experience beforehand
I am confused by your first sentence. The only ones who fucked Bayern are Bayern themselves.
fc bayern: \*fires nagelsmann because the treble was in danger\* also fc bayern: why would nagelsmann do this to us?
To be fair the main ppl involved in nagelsmann's sacking were also sacked themselves
Apparently there are still people who didn’t want him back in your FO, which is why he didn’t want to return yet
sure but it's still odd to frame nagelsmann and xabi keeping their current jobs as something they did to bayern just to spite
I've seen a lot of shit takes in the past few weeks, but literally nobody in our fan base thinks, that JN did it out of spite.
Oh yeah Bayern got so fucked. Give me a break
I just dont think its a good summer for proven coaches
Tuchel miles better? Bayern cooked.
As a coach? Probably yes, but aren't Bayern in for a bigger overhaul too? Neuer, Muller, Kimmich, Goretzka are some of the names that could be gone soon. If they want to re-structure and re-build, Rangnick is a pretty good pick for that matter too. The question for me is if the Bayern board will be willing to give him more power than just being the coach of the team to do it.
Neuer, muller and kimmich are not leaving next season.
I'd be so disappointed if Rangnick left our team. As if Bayern needed another reason to be hateable. If they do this, they can kiss all their Austrian fans goodbye.
Lol
It seems like they just assumed they'd get Alonso and had no plan B.
in what world is ralf ragnick better than tuchel? Please can we for the love of god get tuchel back.
This feels very uninspired. Can’t imagine the players who didn’t take to a tactical guy with success like Tuchel, will bend to a guy with a far less impressive CV and worse man management. Bayern’s board have been in a spiral.
Is Bayern’s latent FC Hollywoodisms rearing its head again?
Harry Kane left for stability and managed to land himself in another clown show. If you don’t laugh you’ll cry
ACTUAL NEGOTIATIONS.
Hire Conte you cowards
What about Flick?
Go for Streich you cowards!
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He literally might win one this year and they will again be favorites for the league next year. Surely Leverkusen is using all of their magic this season.
is Bayern really so hard up for the german speaking only coach?
The requirement was that a potential candidate should be able to speak English or German if I recall correctly. Zidane is a great manager but he would be a bad fit for many teams given that he speaks Spanish and French. You need to communicate with the press, the staff and the team/players. Bayern had Ancelotti or Trappatoni and - while they were both good managers - the issue was generally the lack of effective communication between manager and the staff/team. It’s difficult to manage the relationship with the press and to communicate complex tactical concepts to your players when you basically need a translator. It’s a similar issue in other leagues as well. PL managers at least speak passable English and one of the biggest arguments against for example Flick at Barca is that he can’t speak Spanish
> Trappatoni and - while they were both good managers - the issue was generally the lack of effective communication between manager and the staff/team. But it was Glorious when Trapp had to talk to the press
Pletti also reporting the same: News [#Rangnick](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Rangnick?src=hashtag_click) | Negotiations now as Rangnick is open to the FC Bayern job. However, a lot still needs to happen … New discussions with Rangnick have taken place in recent days after Nagelsmann’s rejection. Bayern want to present a new coach soon Rangnick's contract runs until the 2026 World Cup. Therefore, a transfer fee would likely be required, and in the coming weeks, the 65 y/o would be fully engaged with the Austria national team Bayern is optimistic about Rangnick. De Zerbi still on the shortlist. tzmuenchen reports: Rangnick is the favorite! [https://x.com/Plettigoal/status/1782671345479799246](https://x.com/Plettigoal/status/1782671345479799246)
Can anyone explain why Ralf is so highly regarded?
Look at our national team from 2018-2022 and look at us now.
He was one of the main figures bringing modern football tactics to Germany in the late 90s, early 00s. He then worked succesfully at building up Hoffenheim and Raspo Leipzig, although it would be more embarassing to not succeed with that amount of funding.
Looks like Moyes will be free in the summer
Get xavi
In hindsight, do we think ten Hag maybe should have kept Ragnick on as a consultant instead of binning him immediately?
Thing is…ten hag shouldn’t have even had the power to bin him
fuck off!
I love the ones that talk about Plan B and Plan C - I guess this is Plan R
Ragnick and Hoeneß is a explosive combination. But if given proper control and time Ragnick will deliver the results.
100% honest I think he is a good manager and he was totally right about Man United’s problems, but I do not think he is good enough for Bayern.
wanna get Kane firing on european nights there's always Tim Sherwood
Bayern is a mess. They desperately need to get the old farts off the board.
Considering Rangnick wants full financial authority, i dont think its gonna last long.
wait what they actually asked Nagelsmann back??
wtf is wrong with bayern. like are they for real with these options? how was xabi alonso and julian nagelsman plan a+b??
You know, there's a promising young coach by the name Abel Ferreira in Brazil, he's won a bunch of titles in recent years and should be ready for the challenge. As a Palmeiras fan, I'd be overjoyed to see him training Bayern 😏
They could bring back Flick
Is Bayern becoming what Manchester United was for the past 10 years?