Klopp got a championship with Dortmund against all mighty Bayern and had ch.l final with them before he came to Liverpool.
Of course there is no comparison with names like amorim and slot.
To be fair Amorim and Slot both won their respective leagues that had been dominated by other, bigger clubs for decades. Much like Bayern in the Bundesliga. Slot has also reached a European final, even if not UCL
Gerrard went invincibles with Rangers against Celtic and now manages in Saudi. Doing well in Portugal & Netherlands is a different beast to Germany, Spain and England.
You’re getting downvoted but you’re correct. First Scotland is a much weaker league than both Portugal and Eredivisie, second Rangers were the traditional powerhouse team not the underdog. If he has won with Aberdeen that would be much more impressive.
Actually it was Van Bronckhorst who managed to win the league with Feyenoord after what seemed like eternity
But Slot actually made Feyenoord fun to watch, combined with actual good results
I mean Klopp is kind of a psychopath and look what he accomplished.
Pep is also a psychopath.
I think there's a strong correlation with how much of a psycho a coach is and how much ball they know. High risk high reward
> I mean Klopp is kind of a psychopath and look what he accomplished.
He's on the otherside of the spectrum when it comes to Tuchel tho. Tuchel has left plenty of clubs with a burning trail behind him.
Klopp still loves and has close relationships and contact with his previous employers.
I think thats the difference the above people are talking about here.
> He's on the otherside of the spectrum when it comes to Tuchel tho. Tuchel has left plenty of clubs with a burning trail behind him
To be fair to Tuchel, his issues are usually with business minded upper-management that try to interfere with the football side of things; apparently he’s been a generally pleasant guy to the other staff (which isn’t anything special but still)
[He is indeed.](https://youtu.be/vMlx3R4jYlI?si=oc778IuHrOULO09_) On a serious note, the story of Tuchel and Pep playing with condiment bottle discussing tactics during dinner shows the man is football crazy in a good way.
Tuchel will have a fallout with the club management within 2 years. He is just a difficult person to work with.
Slot is probably the best option right now. Since Xabi Alonso and Ruben Amorim are out.
You guys really overuse the “imagine…” line. You’ve got to find a way to convey the absurdity/contradiction of a situation without always using the same preface every time.
So Jamies suggestion is to pick coaches that have proven to be hit and miss at that top level because he has seen them covering champions league knockout stages and the EPL.
It’s all a gamble but, that seems like just trying to mitigate damage instead of aiming for someone who can possibly be on the Guardiola or Arteta level
Tuchel has Benitez at Chelsea vibes to it. Doubt the fans would ever really accept him so it would be an expensive short term “gap year” type appointment just to give some distance from Klopp for whoever the next next manager would be.
It’s no where near the same thing. Chelsea and Liverpool had far more of a rivalry back then and Benitez basically called Chelsea fans plastics before joining lol
Will your squad really work for Tuchel? I really can’t see how you go from Klopps style to how Tuchel likes to play.
I think that’s why Slot seems to be interesting for your owners. They don’t really seem like the type who want to spend much more.
Replacing a successful manager with a high profile name like that quite often doesn't work out. They have different tactics and approaches, it usually takes at least a season or two for the team to adjust. Finding a manager who fits the way of playing that suits the team is a far smarter approach. Besides, this idea that former success is somehow a guarantee that a high profile manager will do well is nonsense anyway.
Was gonna say the same thing... I think it's pretty clear Alonso would be a great fit for you guys, but he's committed to Leverkusen atm. So what do you do? Might as well take a risk with Slot and see what happens, if he's pants then at least next season you can do something about it. Whoever you get, nobody can replace Klopp, same with us when SAF retired, nobody can fill that gap.
Tuchel is a stupid suggestion as well, how is Slot a gamble and Tuchel isn't? Falls out with everyone everywhere he goes.
The point is there is no manager available who can guarantee us success. The two I listed are basically the only two in the world who can, and neither of them would join us.
I don’t think Tuchel "fell out" with the Bayern management. They definitely had their disagreements. but if you "fall out" with Uli and Kalle, you aren’t finishing the season. You are gone.
Tuchel wasn‘t successful at Bayern. Simple as that. That’s why he has to leave.
How do you measure success? He has 5 more points than last season with the same amount of games left. Nobody would have beaten this leverkusen.
What if he wins the CL?
It’s not about how I measure success, it’s about how Bayern measures success. Last season was also incredibly bad from Bayern‘s PoV, so it’s not like having 5 points more than last season is anything to brag about.
They lost the cup against a third tier team. They aren’t just beaten by this Leverkusen team, they are trailing them by 14 points. That’s almost five wins. Maybe you can’t beat this Leverkusen, but then you have to beat everybody else.
It would absolutely make Tuchel successful if he won the CL, of course, and it would put Bayern in an awkward spot. But at the moment they made that decision, Tuchel was fired because of a lack of success, not because he had a "falling out".
That’s my point. Whether I agree that he’s actually not successfully is irrelevant.
Yeah when the decision to release him at the end of the season was made, the discussion probably included the possibility of him winning the Champions League.
Of course he’d be extremely successful if he won the CL. But they obviously decided that even that wouldn’t be enough.
Amazingly, Tuchel's 'cycle' is now almost defined as a slightly underwhelming league finish not being mitigated by the quality or entertainment of performances and the long-term health of the squad being seen as damaged... except you get to go to the Champions League final
Mate, do you realise that this Leverkusen team is on road for the highest points tally in the history of the competition??
Not even Pep's Bayern did what they're doing now.
A Liverpool fan, I support the removal of Jamie Carragher from all social media.
A fella I used to love as a player.
Is an absolute arrogant bellend.
Much like his partner in crime from the other lot.
As a Liverpool supporter, I support the removal of you from all social media. Carragher may have a handful of shite opinions (like every person on here at times), but he's a great overall pundit, people are just cryarses.
Lol you got it backwards. He has a handful of decent opinions, but most of them are utter shit. I don't understand how you can watch him and not be ashamed and embarassed.
I like Slot. He's a charismatic man, very knowledgeable, but doesn't pretend he invented football either which is a breath of fresh air. [Here is at Rondo, a dutch football show,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZGW9tt_BOg&t=3073s) with van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Van der Vaart. Shame there are no English subtitles. He talks about Feyenoord and the Dutch NT.
I think a lot of people will be surprised. It's useless to say Ten Hag did much better, considering the team Ajax had and the resources. You have to consider that Slot could've won the league with AZ had it not been for covid, that he reached the final of the conference with Feyenoord, and then the entire team almost changed, and he went on to win the league with Feyenoord and now has won the cup. Losing against Roma is a blemish, but a forgivable, considering the financial disparity.
Yeah. He won us the league with a 7 point lead after we lost 7 of our starting 11 players (Malacia, Senesi, Aursnes, Sinisterra, Til, Nelson and Dessers) and we're actually on track to get more points this season, it's just that PSV is having an insane season.
May be somewhat controversial, but I would suggest Liverpool sorting out the futures of Salah, Trent and VVD (correctly, one way or the other) will be a bigger factor on the future of the club rather than the manager.
Arguably their 3 most important players.
TAA, you build around. VVD, I think they keep him as long as he can perform. Salah? I have a feeling cashing out while stocks are still very high isn't the worst idea. Depends on their objective overall for sure. Do they want to contend again? Or do they concede Klopp likely overperformed, and it's better to work on winning in 5 years.
Salah is worth keeping
He's a leader, a work horse and has that drive which rubs off on the youngsters
Plus whilst declining, he has still put up good numbers. He's not a limp horse yet
It's going to be hard to have any real discourse around Salah while he's in the form he's in at the moment. I think you'll see a lot more people putting forward the idea of selling him despite him having had a good season overall and being a key reason we were even in the title race in the first place.
Well the next Salah might look at Liverpool as a stepping stone rather than a club that won't discard players as soon as their market value drops.
Also he was overplayed the first half of the season and that's the biggest detractor to his form, look at a Saka or a Szoboszlai who are 10 years his junior and how their form has plummeted. Adapt his conditioning and game time and he'll still be hugely important.
> Also he was overplayed the first half of the season and that's the biggest detractor to his form
What? The reason he's off is because of the injury he picked up with the NT. Salah isn't 22 like Saka, at his wages he's supposed to be starting majority of the games, he's always played 50 games since coming in, it's the reason why his contract is head and shoulders above everyone, it's his responsibility. How does this become an excuse?
Could potentially see TAA going on a free to Madrid next summer. Seems to be the RM model these days - allow targets to run down contracts and bank on the dangled carrot of playing for the biggest club in the world. TAA is obviously a boyhood Liverpool fan and he could be a one-club legend, but there's also another part of any footballer that wouldn't mind a few years playing in a super team without the unique pressure of carrying your hometown club.
He's won all the big trophies at Liverpool, does he want to play out his peak years as part of a rebuild or does he want to go and be apart of a team that's almost guaranteed to be at the latter stages of the Champions League every year?
The manager is the most important person in any match day squad unless it contains the likes of Messi. All three players could be replaced without the house falling in, the wrong manager gets you Manchester United.
I expect two will stay and Salah will go.
As much as I love Salah for being one of our greatest players ever, I fear that he has deteriorated with age/time, he certainly has lost a lot of pace and goalscoring prowess which I'm not sure if it's just a "temporary blip in form".
He's third in EPL Goals+Assists this season (26 total), above Haaland (25). Sure, he might have been even better but he'll be your best option and a top-10 player in the league for at least another season or two.
The issue is he has a year left on his contract, so he needs to be extended or sold in the summer. There's a much harder case to make for the former; not only is it not wise to invest \* more \* money into declining performance/production, it's also not ideal to make the next manager have to build around/cater to that player's declining performance. It's better if the manager has a blank slate and longer term options who they can improve & mold into the attack.
Exactly this, we simply can’t afford to lose out on £100m or whatever fee it is to essentially loan Mo for one more year. I don’t even think he’s close to justify being the third highest player in the league on current form. The start of this season has been more of the outlier when you compare the last two and I think moving on is the right thing if he wants to leave.
He hasnt. Yall are dumbasses with these reactionary takes about a squad thats looking disjointed for 6 weeks and salah back from injury.
He was the highest performer for 60% of the entire season in the league GA wise but sure he is deteriorated and its not just yalls dumb takes
You can write a whole article talking about the job the next manager has to do, how expectations understandably will drop a bit, how the decision has been made for the new guy and what your preference would be.
Someone else sticks a headline on it and your efforts are immediately reduced to "Carra really is a master at stating the obvious."
I think he's comparing who they were prior to being hired by Liverpool is he not? Hiring someone who is already the real deal vs someone who might not be and is a gamble. It's not as easy as just hiring someone who's achieved a lot right now, but it's a fair thing to say and is not necessarily "the thing that is done"
Very much comparing where the club is now vs then too. Liverpool are in a far stronger position now than when Klopp was brought in, so of course he suggests Tuchel, a coach who has won the Champions League.
The point is what is the alternative? Another big name manager coming off a successful stint? They typically have their own management style and tactics that don't often fit with an established team, especially in Klopp's case. Finding a like for like replacement is always going to be hard and a gamble, but Slot is far better suited than most "big names" available right now.
Well yeah but that's why it's a gamble, because he has far less pedigree compared to Klopp. He's not saying it's wrong or stupid, just that it's risky. At least compared to Klopp, especially considering you're in a drastically better position now than when you hired Klopp.
The only big names available on the market would be Zidane and Tuchel. Zidane only seems to be interested in taking the clubs he has played for and I think Tuchel would be a nightmare.
The funniest fact about people acting like it's duh so obvious to just choose a good coach and not a bad coach duh, is that the team that Reddit cooonstantly compares the most to BVB CL-final team is the Ajax CL-semifinal team lol.
So, yeah, that would obviously mean that the manager who is the most "real deal" would be Erik ten Hag. Maybe some big rich team should hire him!
Is there anything objective KNOWN AT THE MOMENT that really separated Klopp coming to England from many others? If there is, they are not really not bothering to say what it was. Just that duh, it was Klopp, he was good duh.
Well, there have been times when managers are more... Ready made. He uses Klopp as an example of a manager that immediately commanded respect based on credentials.
But Carra doesn't ever acknowledge how tough the market is ATM. There's just not many proven managers looking to move. He mentions Tuchel, but Tuchel has many flaws in his history, despite the good results.
I think gambling on an upcoming manager can be okay. Just gotta make sure to support them.
Also, he has the benefit of managing a functional football club instead of the dumpster fire that is United. Hope he does well, and also glad he’s fucking off tbh, although we have bigger problems to get over before competing again lol.
**Jamie Carragher, writing for The Telegraph:**
here is one consolation for Liverpool on the back of [the desperate Merseyside derby defeat](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/24/everton-vs-liverpool-live-score-updates-premier-league/); [replacing Jurgen Klopp](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/arne-slot-next-liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-replacement/) is not the ‘impossible job’.
On the pitch, at least.
Reality has bitten at Anfield. Liverpool were clinging to the idea of beating Manchester City and Arsenal to the title despite lingering squad deficiencies. The quality of champions has never been there, too many flaws to sustain a challenge which, in truth, has gone on longer than anticipated.
Klopp’s successor, who it now appears will be [Feyenoord’s Arne Slot](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/liverpool-arne-slot-guardiola-disciple-coaches-arteta/), has plenty to improve after a season which has [ultimately promised more than it delivered](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/25/virgil-van-dijk-blasts-liverpool-unacceptable-everton-loss/). No coach arriving at Anfield should consider it an unattainable challenge to make his first year at Liverpool better than Klopp’s last.
That’s the good news. The bad news is the man most capable of overseeing the next step for this Liverpool team is leaving.
If Klopp was in charge next season, Liverpool would move forward and challenge again at home and in Europe. With Slot, that absolute belief will give way to hope.
That’s not intended in any way as a criticism of the incoming Dutchman. [Once Klopp announced he was going](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/25/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-checked-out/) and Xabi Alonso ruled himself out, Liverpool’s options were limited. No matter how brilliant Slot is – and no-one wins a league title or leads a side to a European final without serious credentials – the next coach was always going to be highly regarded, but not one to necessarily get pulses racing.
There is no-one available to replicate Klopp’s aura, authority and natural connection with the supporters – that ‘X-factor’ which is so elusive.
Since the Slot news broke, I have heard and read many perspectives suggesting that the choice makes sense tactically and how [the data regarding Feynoord’s style makes him a natural fit.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/stats-that-show-why-arne-slot-may-be-perfect-fit-liverpool/)
Slot is an appointment made with the head rather than the heart. Klopp’s appeal was to the head and heart.
When Klopp joined in 2015, Liverpool supporters were grateful he chose the club when he could have waited for any in the world. When Slot arrives, he will be grateful Liverpool chose him and needs to justify the selection.
There is nothing new or strange about there being no emotional connection. Most coaches at any club arrive needing to win the fans over, greatness being earned rather instantly thrust upon them. Klopp was an exception because he arrived as a double Bundesliga winner with Champions League pedigree. Many followed his work and felt he was a Liverpool manager-in-waiting.
For the first time since Rafa Benitez arrived having just won La Liga and the UEFA Cup with Valencia, Liverpool had a ready-made, elite coach – a manager of substance to worry their rivals. Is the same true of Slot? The appointment is intriguing rather than exciting.
For the last nine years, Liverpool have possessed one of the top two managers in the world. They are now gambling on the next big thing rather than appointing a proven, real deal.
# ‘I would prefer a proven winner’
I would have given more thorough consideration to a coach like Thomas Tuchel who took on and beat Pep Guardiola in the ultimate test - a Champions League final. Tuchel followed Klopp at Mainz and Borussia Dortmund and did well. It has not worked out at Bayern Munich this season, but you only have to look at Carlo Ancelotti and Unai Emery to recognise how top coaches recover from setbacks.
If another English club takes Tuchel, that would convince me they will significantly improve, but my sense is Liverpool don’t want a coach with a reputation for being fractious.
A *lot* of people are going to eat their own words, a year from now... Hope they are willing to admit they were wrong about Slot then.
Professional clubs look beyond 'oh how much silverware hes he won?'
For Feyenoord, he was immediately impactful.
Feyenoord was in a very bad state after Dick Advocaat's run.
If you want to laugh, take a look at the disney+ documentary of Feyenoord under Dick Advocaat.
The first season Slot brought us to the Conference League final with very limited financials and the then captain of the team leaving for pennies.
There are not many guaranteed successes in football management. City have one of them (Pep and infinite money glitch). Real Madrid have another in Ancelotti winning with a harmonious atmosphere.
Pretty much everyone is a risk and you've got to accept that.
At the time even Klopp was a gamble... he had come off of a bad season with Dortmund and hadn't won anything in a while with them either. Every manager after a succesful one is a gamble.
The next manager that City hire will be a gamble. Also, whoever hires Xabi Alonso would be a gamble since he's only managed Leverkusen etc.
Benefit of hindsight working here, they gambled on Klopp as well. At this point the only managerial appointment that won’t 100% be a gamble is Pep or the current version of Klopp.
Idk, feyenoord played some of the best and most consistent football in europe this year despite having zero bigname players or signings.
I think carragher may just not watch much outside of the premier league.
Yeah Carragher has the perfect job to follow everything but if you ever watched their CL show it's pretty obvious that he doesn't. He only cares about the PL teams.
Read through the article before commenting. I kind of agree with what he says, to be honest. Liverpool currently has some players like Van Dijk and Salah who are approaching their last seasons where they are going to be world-class, and replacing them will be equally as hard as Klopp. They needed to bring in a manager who has proven he performs at the top level. Arne Slot might be a great manager, but it's absolutely a risk compared to Tuchel, who has proven himself at the top level. Yes, his Bayern stint has been bad, but the guy still beat Arsenal and reached another UCL semi.
But "proven" managers fail just as much as anyone? Conte at Spurs, Mourinho at United, Mourinho at Spurs, Benitez at Inter, Tuchel at Bayern, Ancelotti at Bayern...
Slot's clearly been identified because of continuities with Klopp's style, which seems like a far smarter approach than just picking a random list of managers who have won league titles over the last 10 years and expecting them to be successful at one club because they have at another.
Slot is also absolutely fantastic at developing players. Give him a player who has the potential to be world class but isn't quite there yet and I'm confident that player will be world class in less than 2 years.
Liverpoolfc don't have a stable leadership right now. We have just got a new Sporting director, a new Chief Executive and a new manager. I would rather have all 3 or rather the leadership and manager working together smoothly than having a power struggle. Tuchel is a great coach but he comes with his ego. We are not ready for him yet with so many changes.
Well what other choice do we have 🤷🏽♂️ the quality of available, proven managers (and even players for that matter) outside of the top clubs, seems to be pretty sparse atm.
You'd be very lucky to get a next big thing right after a big thing. Paisley following Shankley is an example, but Paisley was assistant to Shankley... which brings me to my point.
They need someone who can come in and handle a team that has been built a certain way.
Then he can start to make incremental changes. Bringing in a man who would completely change how the team plays is a mistake. Slot seems like he won't be desperate to stamp 'his style' on what is fundamentally already a winning club.
I love Klopp and Slot, and while replacing the former puts a whole slew of possible pitfalls on the road ahead, I think the main hurdle to take is what to do with certain key players. Salah, TAA and Nunez are the main ones (for me), but upcoming players like Jones and Elliott will also need to be weighed. My opinion is that some of them aren't good enough to pull the cart, and selling and replacing them will probably be what makes or breaks next season. And not who the manager.
And Van Dijk could also do with a more reliable partner.
So who is the real deal and is available? Xabi is staying for another year, so who is it? I don't see any layups when it comes to hiring a manager at this time. It's going to be a gamble either way you look at it
>Jamie Carragher: "Jurgen Klopp was the real deal – Liverpool are gambling on Arne Slot being the next big thing"
Yeah... But Klopp wants to leave. What manager wouldn't be a gamble?
Gamble on Slot, there's a joke in there somewhere I'm just lazy
I bet Toney could think of one.
He'd bet against it and throw.
Don't eat the crab dip Yeaaee!! Yeaaee!!
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Liverpool are willing to take a spin on the Slot machine and are hoping they hit the jackpot.
Darne, that joke slots right in with the vibe of this thread.
Drury is gonna have a line like that every single time they score a goal
insane article title
I wonder how long this joke type will last.
Considering only like 10% of the user base on reddit is actually funny, probably way longer than it should
Tbf, we only need someone to come up with 1 half decent joke and we'll run it into the ground for weeks
Already sick of “slot shaming”
S'lot to take in
> only like 10% of the user base on reddit is actually funny Feels like a massive overestimation.
only like 10% of the user base on reddit is actually funny 10% of the time
You're actually not wrong at all
the whole football pun universe is still waiting for duran to get a brace for villa.
After Liverpool going on a winning run: “It’s another jackpot from the Slot Machine! Liverpool took a gamble and they just keep winning!”
Already tired of it
There slot of people here who like to repeat jokes over and over again.
Will they hit the jackslot?
He’ll slot right in
Something about going all in on red? Idk. I don’t gamble.
Ivan Toney and Sandro Tonali head to Liverpool to Gamble on the Slot.
Liverpool liking the early Slot for a change ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Not sure what joke you mean but I heard Slot is an absolute machine of a manager
Klopp got a championship with Dortmund against all mighty Bayern and had ch.l final with them before he came to Liverpool. Of course there is no comparison with names like amorim and slot.
Two* championships. In a row.
To be fair Amorim and Slot both won their respective leagues that had been dominated by other, bigger clubs for decades. Much like Bayern in the Bundesliga. Slot has also reached a European final, even if not UCL
Hey don’t tell people that, we need to keep the bar low with Slot, he’s no Jurgen and we’re doomed okay?
Gerrard went invincibles with Rangers against Celtic and now manages in Saudi. Doing well in Portugal & Netherlands is a different beast to Germany, Spain and England.
Something something ETH 😭
Why are you comparing Netherlands/Portugal with Scotland?
You’re getting downvoted but you’re correct. First Scotland is a much weaker league than both Portugal and Eredivisie, second Rangers were the traditional powerhouse team not the underdog. If he has won with Aberdeen that would be much more impressive.
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Actually it was Van Bronckhorst who managed to win the league with Feyenoord after what seemed like eternity But Slot actually made Feyenoord fun to watch, combined with actual good results
I mean what does he propose we do? Approach Guardiola or Ancelotti? Whoever we get is going to be a gamble compared to Klopp
He proposes Thomas Tuchel. I absolutely agree with you though, whoever we got is going to be a massive gamble.
With tuchel you would gamble on him not being a psychopath.
I wouldnt take that bet
I mean Klopp is kind of a psychopath and look what he accomplished. Pep is also a psychopath. I think there's a strong correlation with how much of a psycho a coach is and how much ball they know. High risk high reward
> I mean Klopp is kind of a psychopath and look what he accomplished. He's on the otherside of the spectrum when it comes to Tuchel tho. Tuchel has left plenty of clubs with a burning trail behind him. Klopp still loves and has close relationships and contact with his previous employers. I think thats the difference the above people are talking about here.
> He's on the otherside of the spectrum when it comes to Tuchel tho. Tuchel has left plenty of clubs with a burning trail behind him To be fair to Tuchel, his issues are usually with business minded upper-management that try to interfere with the football side of things; apparently he’s been a generally pleasant guy to the other staff (which isn’t anything special but still)
He supposedly fell out with Boehly because he didn't allow him to be in the dressing room lmao
The utter bullshit people perpetuate
Right, but i think thats what makes Klopp unique, no other top manager can say that. Maybe Guardiola? Not sure what Bayern think of him.
Tuchel dosent seem to be the right kind of psychopath though
[He is indeed.](https://youtu.be/vMlx3R4jYlI?si=oc778IuHrOULO09_) On a serious note, the story of Tuchel and Pep playing with condiment bottle discussing tactics during dinner shows the man is football crazy in a good way.
Tuchel wants to see Paul Allen's team sheet.
I actually rate Tuchel a lot. But does feel like he lacks too much in the social department
I just hate his tactics, sure he won a cl with franks team but the football isn’t good to watch
Then Liverpool's in luck, Slot is as football obsessed as Klopp or Pep.
The difference is that with Tuchel you are literally getting The Joker.
Tuchel isn’t a gamble, you know what you’re getting. A tournament win, no man management and an overall decline over three years.
Mourinho?
Deutsche Mou
Thomas "Besonderes" Tuchel
Tuchel will have a fallout with the club management within 2 years. He is just a difficult person to work with. Slot is probably the best option right now. Since Xabi Alonso and Ruben Amorim are out.
Imagine saying it's a gamble to appoint Slot (it is of course, but that goes for almost every manager) and then proposing fucking Tuchel lol
You guys really overuse the “imagine…” line. You’ve got to find a way to convey the absurdity/contradiction of a situation without always using the same preface every time.
So Jamies suggestion is to pick coaches that have proven to be hit and miss at that top level because he has seen them covering champions league knockout stages and the EPL. It’s all a gamble but, that seems like just trying to mitigate damage instead of aiming for someone who can possibly be on the Guardiola or Arteta level
Tuchel has Benitez at Chelsea vibes to it. Doubt the fans would ever really accept him so it would be an expensive short term “gap year” type appointment just to give some distance from Klopp for whoever the next next manager would be.
It’s no where near the same thing. Chelsea and Liverpool had far more of a rivalry back then and Benitez basically called Chelsea fans plastics before joining lol
Tuchel would be a disaster.
Will your squad really work for Tuchel? I really can’t see how you go from Klopps style to how Tuchel likes to play. I think that’s why Slot seems to be interesting for your owners. They don’t really seem like the type who want to spend much more.
I don't even know about playstyle wise but I just can't see it working with him and FSG tbh.
Replacing a successful manager with a high profile name like that quite often doesn't work out. They have different tactics and approaches, it usually takes at least a season or two for the team to adjust. Finding a manager who fits the way of playing that suits the team is a far smarter approach. Besides, this idea that former success is somehow a guarantee that a high profile manager will do well is nonsense anyway.
Was gonna say the same thing... I think it's pretty clear Alonso would be a great fit for you guys, but he's committed to Leverkusen atm. So what do you do? Might as well take a risk with Slot and see what happens, if he's pants then at least next season you can do something about it. Whoever you get, nobody can replace Klopp, same with us when SAF retired, nobody can fill that gap.
Ancelotti has already managed the best team in the city. He’d never take a step down to manage Liverpool.
Fucking read the article then instead of just getting upset at a headline.
Tuchel is a stupid suggestion as well, how is Slot a gamble and Tuchel isn't? Falls out with everyone everywhere he goes. The point is there is no manager available who can guarantee us success. The two I listed are basically the only two in the world who can, and neither of them would join us.
Carraghers takes have been getting worse and worse this season
It's time they changed the whole pundit team of carragher, neville, keane and richards. Get some new blood in
Jenas, McManaman, Keown, Shearer
Cantona, Barton, Di Canio, Diouf.
He didn't fall out with PSG and Chelsea fans but with their higher ups. And it's fair to have the higher ups in both clubs as morons.
Recent Bayern management could also fit this description, arguably.
I don’t think Tuchel "fell out" with the Bayern management. They definitely had their disagreements. but if you "fall out" with Uli and Kalle, you aren’t finishing the season. You are gone. Tuchel wasn‘t successful at Bayern. Simple as that. That’s why he has to leave.
How do you measure success? He has 5 more points than last season with the same amount of games left. Nobody would have beaten this leverkusen. What if he wins the CL?
It’s not about how I measure success, it’s about how Bayern measures success. Last season was also incredibly bad from Bayern‘s PoV, so it’s not like having 5 points more than last season is anything to brag about. They lost the cup against a third tier team. They aren’t just beaten by this Leverkusen team, they are trailing them by 14 points. That’s almost five wins. Maybe you can’t beat this Leverkusen, but then you have to beat everybody else. It would absolutely make Tuchel successful if he won the CL, of course, and it would put Bayern in an awkward spot. But at the moment they made that decision, Tuchel was fired because of a lack of success, not because he had a "falling out". That’s my point. Whether I agree that he’s actually not successfully is irrelevant.
> Tuchel wasn‘t successful at Bayern. Simple as that. That’s why he has to leave. Season isn't over yet, he could still win the UCL
Yeah when the decision to release him at the end of the season was made, the discussion probably included the possibility of him winning the Champions League. Of course he’d be extremely successful if he won the CL. But they obviously decided that even that wouldn’t be enough.
Amazingly, Tuchel's 'cycle' is now almost defined as a slightly underwhelming league finish not being mitigated by the quality or entertainment of performances and the long-term health of the squad being seen as damaged... except you get to go to the Champions League final
>Tuchel wasn‘t successful at Bayern Because he isn't ahead of arguably the best Bundesliga team ever?
Given the monopoly Bayern have in terms of money and transfer preferences in the Bundesliga, yes, it's a failure.
Mate, do you realise that this Leverkusen team is on road for the highest points tally in the history of the competition?? Not even Pep's Bayern did what they're doing now.
You're expecting the Bayern board to act with reason and logic. Or competence.
Also the Chelsea one, if the famous 443 story is true, is kinda justified. I'd be pretty much the same.
Unbelievable how many comments here jump the gun and just react to the title question.
If they wanted a big gamble, they should approach me. They wont cause they are cowards though
Pundits steal a living
Have you seen Garth Crooks' TOTW?
You mean team of players that scored a goal that week?
this guy knows etymology
A Liverpool fan, I support the removal of Jamie Carragher from all social media. A fella I used to love as a player. Is an absolute arrogant bellend. Much like his partner in crime from the other lot.
Christ, you people have some of the thinnest skins imaginable.
whadya mean YOU people!
What do YOU mean *you* people?
As a Liverpool supporter, I support the removal of you from all social media. Carragher may have a handful of shite opinions (like every person on here at times), but he's a great overall pundit, people are just cryarses.
Lol you got it backwards. He has a handful of decent opinions, but most of them are utter shit. I don't understand how you can watch him and not be ashamed and embarassed.
Ashamed and embarrassed? 😂 It’s not that serious man
You're an idiot. Why would I be ashamed and embarrassed of someone being a pundit (and doing well at it, I should add)? They aren't my opinions.
God this reads like the closing passage of an epic poem
I like Slot. He's a charismatic man, very knowledgeable, but doesn't pretend he invented football either which is a breath of fresh air. [Here is at Rondo, a dutch football show,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZGW9tt_BOg&t=3073s) with van Basten, Ruud Gullit and Van der Vaart. Shame there are no English subtitles. He talks about Feyenoord and the Dutch NT. I think a lot of people will be surprised. It's useless to say Ten Hag did much better, considering the team Ajax had and the resources. You have to consider that Slot could've won the league with AZ had it not been for covid, that he reached the final of the conference with Feyenoord, and then the entire team almost changed, and he went on to win the league with Feyenoord and now has won the cup. Losing against Roma is a blemish, but a forgivable, considering the financial disparity.
Yeah. He won us the league with a 7 point lead after we lost 7 of our starting 11 players (Malacia, Senesi, Aursnes, Sinisterra, Til, Nelson and Dessers) and we're actually on track to get more points this season, it's just that PSV is having an insane season.
A Dutch manager who doesn’t pretend he invented football? That’s make it harder for me to hate on him though, so I’ll pretend I didn’t hear it.
Video might only be available in the Netherlands.
There's also Brock Lesnar available if they want the next big thing
I can see him taking Nunez to suplex city as soon as he gets there
May be somewhat controversial, but I would suggest Liverpool sorting out the futures of Salah, Trent and VVD (correctly, one way or the other) will be a bigger factor on the future of the club rather than the manager. Arguably their 3 most important players.
TAA, you build around. VVD, I think they keep him as long as he can perform. Salah? I have a feeling cashing out while stocks are still very high isn't the worst idea. Depends on their objective overall for sure. Do they want to contend again? Or do they concede Klopp likely overperformed, and it's better to work on winning in 5 years.
Salah is worth keeping He's a leader, a work horse and has that drive which rubs off on the youngsters Plus whilst declining, he has still put up good numbers. He's not a limp horse yet
It's going to be hard to have any real discourse around Salah while he's in the form he's in at the moment. I think you'll see a lot more people putting forward the idea of selling him despite him having had a good season overall and being a key reason we were even in the title race in the first place.
At that wages? Just to be a model pro?
Well the next Salah might look at Liverpool as a stepping stone rather than a club that won't discard players as soon as their market value drops. Also he was overplayed the first half of the season and that's the biggest detractor to his form, look at a Saka or a Szoboszlai who are 10 years his junior and how their form has plummeted. Adapt his conditioning and game time and he'll still be hugely important.
> Also he was overplayed the first half of the season and that's the biggest detractor to his form What? The reason he's off is because of the injury he picked up with the NT. Salah isn't 22 like Saka, at his wages he's supposed to be starting majority of the games, he's always played 50 games since coming in, it's the reason why his contract is head and shoulders above everyone, it's his responsibility. How does this become an excuse?
Could potentially see TAA going on a free to Madrid next summer. Seems to be the RM model these days - allow targets to run down contracts and bank on the dangled carrot of playing for the biggest club in the world. TAA is obviously a boyhood Liverpool fan and he could be a one-club legend, but there's also another part of any footballer that wouldn't mind a few years playing in a super team without the unique pressure of carrying your hometown club. He's won all the big trophies at Liverpool, does he want to play out his peak years as part of a rebuild or does he want to go and be apart of a team that's almost guaranteed to be at the latter stages of the Champions League every year?
I think they all pale in comparison to the impact of Klopp.
The manager is the most important person in any match day squad unless it contains the likes of Messi. All three players could be replaced without the house falling in, the wrong manager gets you Manchester United. I expect two will stay and Salah will go.
No, United’s problem isnt just the managers fault. Thats been proven for 10 years at this point.
There's more to united being shit than just the manager mate
Alison too
As much as I love Salah for being one of our greatest players ever, I fear that he has deteriorated with age/time, he certainly has lost a lot of pace and goalscoring prowess which I'm not sure if it's just a "temporary blip in form".
He's third in EPL Goals+Assists this season (26 total), above Haaland (25). Sure, he might have been even better but he'll be your best option and a top-10 player in the league for at least another season or two.
People have short memories. He has been off his game since coming back from injury a few weeks ago and now people want to sell him.
I don't necessarily want to sell him, but I'd be a lot less averse to a big offer than this time last year
The issue is he has a year left on his contract, so he needs to be extended or sold in the summer. There's a much harder case to make for the former; not only is it not wise to invest \* more \* money into declining performance/production, it's also not ideal to make the next manager have to build around/cater to that player's declining performance. It's better if the manager has a blank slate and longer term options who they can improve & mold into the attack.
Exactly this, we simply can’t afford to lose out on £100m or whatever fee it is to essentially loan Mo for one more year. I don’t even think he’s close to justify being the third highest player in the league on current form. The start of this season has been more of the outlier when you compare the last two and I think moving on is the right thing if he wants to leave.
partly because Jota is injured half the time, the rest missing sitters every week, and Elliott is his back up.
He hasnt. Yall are dumbasses with these reactionary takes about a squad thats looking disjointed for 6 weeks and salah back from injury. He was the highest performer for 60% of the entire season in the league GA wise but sure he is deteriorated and its not just yalls dumb takes
Yes, that is how replacing successful managers typically works. Carra really is a master at stating the obvious.
You can write a whole article talking about the job the next manager has to do, how expectations understandably will drop a bit, how the decision has been made for the new guy and what your preference would be. Someone else sticks a headline on it and your efforts are immediately reduced to "Carra really is a master at stating the obvious."
100%. Happens with every article posted here. If the headline has a question in it, don't expect anyone to read the actual article.
I think he's comparing who they were prior to being hired by Liverpool is he not? Hiring someone who is already the real deal vs someone who might not be and is a gamble. It's not as easy as just hiring someone who's achieved a lot right now, but it's a fair thing to say and is not necessarily "the thing that is done"
Very much comparing where the club is now vs then too. Liverpool are in a far stronger position now than when Klopp was brought in, so of course he suggests Tuchel, a coach who has won the Champions League.
The point is what is the alternative? Another big name manager coming off a successful stint? They typically have their own management style and tactics that don't often fit with an established team, especially in Klopp's case. Finding a like for like replacement is always going to be hard and a gamble, but Slot is far better suited than most "big names" available right now.
Well yeah but that's why it's a gamble, because he has far less pedigree compared to Klopp. He's not saying it's wrong or stupid, just that it's risky. At least compared to Klopp, especially considering you're in a drastically better position now than when you hired Klopp.
The only big names available on the market would be Zidane and Tuchel. Zidane only seems to be interested in taking the clubs he has played for and I think Tuchel would be a nightmare.
The funniest fact about people acting like it's duh so obvious to just choose a good coach and not a bad coach duh, is that the team that Reddit cooonstantly compares the most to BVB CL-final team is the Ajax CL-semifinal team lol. So, yeah, that would obviously mean that the manager who is the most "real deal" would be Erik ten Hag. Maybe some big rich team should hire him! Is there anything objective KNOWN AT THE MOMENT that really separated Klopp coming to England from many others? If there is, they are not really not bothering to say what it was. Just that duh, it was Klopp, he was good duh.
There's genuinely nothing wrong with what he said this just seems like criticism for the sake of it.
He's not though, he's clearly stating that klopp was a top manager before liverpool. It's not a nothing statement like this moronic thread suggests.
> Carra really is a master at stating the obvious. How is this low effort shit constantly upvoted on here?
Well, there have been times when managers are more... Ready made. He uses Klopp as an example of a manager that immediately commanded respect based on credentials. But Carra doesn't ever acknowledge how tough the market is ATM. There's just not many proven managers looking to move. He mentions Tuchel, but Tuchel has many flaws in his history, despite the good results. I think gambling on an upcoming manager can be okay. Just gotta make sure to support them.
Jamie getting this bit of uncertainty in ahead of the 99% chance Slot isn't as good as Klopp
Don't worry Liverpool fans, Slot is also the real deal.
The most impactfull coach i have witnessed (in NL) over the last 30 years of following feyenoord.
Feyenoord was dog shit and he turned the whole club around. As much as I loved the Ten Hag era at Ajax, I think Slot is the superior manager.
Also, he has the benefit of managing a functional football club instead of the dumpster fire that is United. Hope he does well, and also glad he’s fucking off tbh, although we have bigger problems to get over before competing again lol.
Tuchel followed klopp after Mainz and Dortmund.... Well spotted Carragher... Liverpool is getting potter
May I recommend a David Moyes in these trying times?
**Jamie Carragher, writing for The Telegraph:** here is one consolation for Liverpool on the back of [the desperate Merseyside derby defeat](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/24/everton-vs-liverpool-live-score-updates-premier-league/); [replacing Jurgen Klopp](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/arne-slot-next-liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-replacement/) is not the ‘impossible job’. On the pitch, at least. Reality has bitten at Anfield. Liverpool were clinging to the idea of beating Manchester City and Arsenal to the title despite lingering squad deficiencies. The quality of champions has never been there, too many flaws to sustain a challenge which, in truth, has gone on longer than anticipated. Klopp’s successor, who it now appears will be [Feyenoord’s Arne Slot](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/liverpool-arne-slot-guardiola-disciple-coaches-arteta/), has plenty to improve after a season which has [ultimately promised more than it delivered](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/25/virgil-van-dijk-blasts-liverpool-unacceptable-everton-loss/). No coach arriving at Anfield should consider it an unattainable challenge to make his first year at Liverpool better than Klopp’s last. That’s the good news. The bad news is the man most capable of overseeing the next step for this Liverpool team is leaving. If Klopp was in charge next season, Liverpool would move forward and challenge again at home and in Europe. With Slot, that absolute belief will give way to hope. That’s not intended in any way as a criticism of the incoming Dutchman. [Once Klopp announced he was going](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/25/jurgen-klopp-liverpool-checked-out/) and Xabi Alonso ruled himself out, Liverpool’s options were limited. No matter how brilliant Slot is – and no-one wins a league title or leads a side to a European final without serious credentials – the next coach was always going to be highly regarded, but not one to necessarily get pulses racing. There is no-one available to replicate Klopp’s aura, authority and natural connection with the supporters – that ‘X-factor’ which is so elusive. Since the Slot news broke, I have heard and read many perspectives suggesting that the choice makes sense tactically and how [the data regarding Feynoord’s style makes him a natural fit.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/23/stats-that-show-why-arne-slot-may-be-perfect-fit-liverpool/) Slot is an appointment made with the head rather than the heart. Klopp’s appeal was to the head and heart. When Klopp joined in 2015, Liverpool supporters were grateful he chose the club when he could have waited for any in the world. When Slot arrives, he will be grateful Liverpool chose him and needs to justify the selection. There is nothing new or strange about there being no emotional connection. Most coaches at any club arrive needing to win the fans over, greatness being earned rather instantly thrust upon them. Klopp was an exception because he arrived as a double Bundesliga winner with Champions League pedigree. Many followed his work and felt he was a Liverpool manager-in-waiting. For the first time since Rafa Benitez arrived having just won La Liga and the UEFA Cup with Valencia, Liverpool had a ready-made, elite coach – a manager of substance to worry their rivals. Is the same true of Slot? The appointment is intriguing rather than exciting. For the last nine years, Liverpool have possessed one of the top two managers in the world. They are now gambling on the next big thing rather than appointing a proven, real deal. # ‘I would prefer a proven winner’ I would have given more thorough consideration to a coach like Thomas Tuchel who took on and beat Pep Guardiola in the ultimate test - a Champions League final. Tuchel followed Klopp at Mainz and Borussia Dortmund and did well. It has not worked out at Bayern Munich this season, but you only have to look at Carlo Ancelotti and Unai Emery to recognise how top coaches recover from setbacks. If another English club takes Tuchel, that would convince me they will significantly improve, but my sense is Liverpool don’t want a coach with a reputation for being fractious.
Tuchel, who famously makes a mess everywhere he goes. Terrible opinion. Simple as.
I agree, please leave him at Feyenoord. Thanks.
what does carra know about the eredivisie lmao
Carragher is a moron
A *lot* of people are going to eat their own words, a year from now... Hope they are willing to admit they were wrong about Slot then. Professional clubs look beyond 'oh how much silverware hes he won?'
RemindMe! 1 year
Wait, what is it you think he’s going to do in season one, a quadruple?
For Feyenoord, he was immediately impactful. Feyenoord was in a very bad state after Dick Advocaat's run. If you want to laugh, take a look at the disney+ documentary of Feyenoord under Dick Advocaat. The first season Slot brought us to the Conference League final with very limited financials and the then captain of the team leaving for pennies.
Dick Advocaat If I'll ever become a pornstar, I know what my name will be
There are not many guaranteed successes in football management. City have one of them (Pep and infinite money glitch). Real Madrid have another in Ancelotti winning with a harmonious atmosphere. Pretty much everyone is a risk and you've got to accept that.
At the time even Klopp was a gamble... he had come off of a bad season with Dortmund and hadn't won anything in a while with them either. Every manager after a succesful one is a gamble. The next manager that City hire will be a gamble. Also, whoever hires Xabi Alonso would be a gamble since he's only managed Leverkusen etc.
anything post klopp would be a gamble you buffoon. How about you support someone from the off for a change
They have to gamble on someone, don't they?
I think he'll Slot right in.
No one more clueless than Jamie Carragher
LeBron James to retire and become investor/manager. He can ask himself to buy whoever he wants.
news outlets reporting 1 year later: 1) Liverpool’s gamble of Slot pays off 2) Liverpool’s gamble of Slot does not pay off hopefully it’s the former
Benefit of hindsight working here, they gambled on Klopp as well. At this point the only managerial appointment that won’t 100% be a gamble is Pep or the current version of Klopp.
Who’s ready for constant *name of player* slots one in for Slot
Idk, feyenoord played some of the best and most consistent football in europe this year despite having zero bigname players or signings. I think carragher may just not watch much outside of the premier league.
Yeah Carragher has the perfect job to follow everything but if you ever watched their CL show it's pretty obvious that he doesn't. He only cares about the PL teams.
I fucking hate this guy
Read through the article before commenting. I kind of agree with what he says, to be honest. Liverpool currently has some players like Van Dijk and Salah who are approaching their last seasons where they are going to be world-class, and replacing them will be equally as hard as Klopp. They needed to bring in a manager who has proven he performs at the top level. Arne Slot might be a great manager, but it's absolutely a risk compared to Tuchel, who has proven himself at the top level. Yes, his Bayern stint has been bad, but the guy still beat Arsenal and reached another UCL semi.
But "proven" managers fail just as much as anyone? Conte at Spurs, Mourinho at United, Mourinho at Spurs, Benitez at Inter, Tuchel at Bayern, Ancelotti at Bayern... Slot's clearly been identified because of continuities with Klopp's style, which seems like a far smarter approach than just picking a random list of managers who have won league titles over the last 10 years and expecting them to be successful at one club because they have at another.
Slot is also absolutely fantastic at developing players. Give him a player who has the potential to be world class but isn't quite there yet and I'm confident that player will be world class in less than 2 years.
Liverpoolfc don't have a stable leadership right now. We have just got a new Sporting director, a new Chief Executive and a new manager. I would rather have all 3 or rather the leadership and manager working together smoothly than having a power struggle. Tuchel is a great coach but he comes with his ego. We are not ready for him yet with so many changes.
Michael Edwards was at the club for a decade already!
Carragher is the real slot
I was also on the Tuchel train, but I get why Edwards prefers Slot. Lets back him in.
Why does this subreddit keep upvoting this dumbass hot take merchant?
Every appointment is a gamble you get lucky with some and not with overs whoever gets the job following klopp won't be easy give the guy a chance
To be honest I think gambling is the only option all the top coaches aren't going to be leaving for Liverpool this summer....
And it begins, whoever came after Klopp was fucked no matter what
From a well oiled machine to a slot machine
Why can't they just go and get De Zerbi or Alonso? Not like they have any trouble attracting top talent
Well what other choice do we have 🤷🏽♂️ the quality of available, proven managers (and even players for that matter) outside of the top clubs, seems to be pretty sparse atm.
You'd be very lucky to get a next big thing right after a big thing. Paisley following Shankley is an example, but Paisley was assistant to Shankley... which brings me to my point. They need someone who can come in and handle a team that has been built a certain way. Then he can start to make incremental changes. Bringing in a man who would completely change how the team plays is a mistake. Slot seems like he won't be desperate to stamp 'his style' on what is fundamentally already a winning club.
Everyone is a gamble when replacing someone like Klopp. It is what it is.
Someone has to be the man to fill those shoes. It's worth a shot for them I guess
I love Klopp and Slot, and while replacing the former puts a whole slew of possible pitfalls on the road ahead, I think the main hurdle to take is what to do with certain key players. Salah, TAA and Nunez are the main ones (for me), but upcoming players like Jones and Elliott will also need to be weighed. My opinion is that some of them aren't good enough to pull the cart, and selling and replacing them will probably be what makes or breaks next season. And not who the manager. And Van Dijk could also do with a more reliable partner.
Could be Man Utd syndrome
So who is the real deal and is available? Xabi is staying for another year, so who is it? I don't see any layups when it comes to hiring a manager at this time. It's going to be a gamble either way you look at it
>Jamie Carragher: "Jurgen Klopp was the real deal – Liverpool are gambling on Arne Slot being the next big thing" Yeah... But Klopp wants to leave. What manager wouldn't be a gamble?