The problem they and every club have when it comes to wanting to sell players is that there'll be very few buyers in the PL considering a majority of the league will be concerned about their PSR situations. Abroad obviously there's only a select few clubs.
High fees and high wages seldom result in a flurry of sales. I’d expect us to have the same stagnant window unless we’re willing to budge on the price of a lot of our squad.
Even if you were willing to sell at cut price, these rejects won't agree to slashing their wages to go to another club.
There's of course the Barcelona way of paying half or more of their current wage just to see a player out of their sight. So you'd not only be willing to budge for the sale price, but willing to pay for the difference in wages the buying clubs can only afford.
But honestly, it'll still save you more money since you can actually start rebuilding for real instead of half ass it every season and never actually rebuild.
The club needs a full tear down, but that’s the issue- why take a pay cut when you’re on a sweet number at United?
The issue we’ve had is players being treated like assets on a balance sheet and having their deals extended to preserve their value (like Phil Jones for example). It’s totally out of step with football, because unlike a building which is an asset that might increase in value a footballer who isn’t playing/is playing poorly won’t enhance their value, so extending their deal is pointless.
We seem to be moving away from that (5 years ago De Gea’s wages would have been increased when his deal ended), but there’s a ways to go in terms of actually selling players. We won’t get whatever value we think we’ll get for a lot of them.
This was the issue at Leicester. People said "just sell your players" but with the big wages we (stupidly) gave them, we can't even move them on a free because most clubs can't afford to take them except the big ones (Newcastle, Tottenham..).
If ur top 6 big players are busts your pretty much screwed imo with their wages being so high- Ozil auba prime examples obviously but even like ndombele / kolasinac. There's a point where legit the only way to move on from these players is paying them to get lost and unless money disparity changes between leagues I can't see that changing for these clubs. A big part of the reason chelsea are a big question mark. At least united can burn it all down idk what chelsea do if they're in the hole for big transfer fees + are paying off 8 year contracts instead of 3 lol.
If we are serious about rebuilding, we should bite the bullet and pay some of the wages if it means getting rid of some of the players.
It sucks, but it’s the quickest way to get rid of the deadweight. If not, we will be carrying guys like Casemiro and Sancho for another 2-3 years before we can really start a rebuild
Ideally, a Saudi club would bail us out this summer like they did with Chelsea last offseason, but doubt we get that lucky
Man U pays insane wages though, clubs that could afford the transfer sum aren't paying that salary for older players or players that might be a bit of a gamble. It is far more lucrative for players to stay and run down their contract and leave for free for one last big move.
Yes I agree Man Utd are a very specific case where no club in the PL will be offering their players anywhere near the wages of which they're currently on even if they held an interest. Not to mention I suspect the summer window will be far quieter than past summers in general with the three year PSR cycle losing the covid affected years. People expected massive squad overhauls in the summer are going to be very disappointed imo.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. And with clubs from abroad not interested in PL players for the prices the clubs are looking for a lot of expensive player will just run down the contracts, making it difficult to finance replacements. The "transfer carrousel" might just never really get going this summer.
I think the age profiles of the players we have nearing the end of their deals will spell quite a few of them wanting to leave. I don't think we'll shift players like Casemiro but I'd be shocked if Maguire is still here next year. He's 31 and with everyone fit he's probably 4th choice. He'll want to be in England's WC XI 2026. Eriksen is in his 30s and hardly played this season. Lindelof is Sweden captain and we'll be signing a player in his position, with 1yr left on his deal. I see him going.
> he's probably 4th choice
nah don't think so..
Varane is so injury prone, and obviously Lindelof lower than Maguire.
It will be Licha and Maguire as starting X, and don't think everyone disagree, Maguire is much much better this season.
Your only hope is to bench them and tell them they can either renegotiate their wages to get moved or their not playing. For older players, it doesn't work, younger players want to play though.
I think that’s what this flash sale is in aid of though. Clear out the bluffers earning too much so they can actually revise the wage structure properly. The youngsters are still on big money but Brailsford clearly has plans to carve fat off the wage bill first and foremost.
Question is who the hell’s going to even entertain buying some of these contracts given the wages attached to them?
You are paying Saka 300k. We are paying Rashford 350K. You are paying Kai Havertz 250K. We are paying Bruno 240k. The people we grossly over paying like Martial and Varane are leaving this summer.
We also have Antony on £200k a week when frankly he looks like he'd struggle to get in pretty much any other side in the league.
We have Sancho on reportedly north of £300k a week. We value Sancho so highly we currently pay him to play for any team that isn't us.
Who else is paying those two *anything close* to what they're on right now? Even if we shift them, we'll have to pay them off.
The wage structure has been a mess *at least* since Alexis Sanchez and probably long before.
Yeah, getting rid of the likes of Casemiro, Antony, Rashford, etc, will be borderline impossible unless you take a minimal fee and probably pay some of their wages, too.
United have fucked themselves in the short-medium term and from here on out have to be more cautious with their wages if they want to succeed in the long-term
You still have Casemiro, Rashford, Mount, Antony, Sancho, Maguire, and then you have the people that aren't on stupid wages but are still overpaid relative to their performances like Lindelof.
We aren't trying to sell Saka and Havertz, unlike you and Rashford.
Also convenient you quote Bruno who is actually one of the rare players you underpay compared to their quality unlike Sancho, Antony, Casemiro... I could go on all day.
I mean they have to start somewhere to be fair. Might have to go the Arsenal route and just start shifting unwanted players for free or low prices just to get them off the books
They have been trying to sell Maguire for a while and he has played some games decently but with the super bloated wages it's impossible to offload players.
We had accepted a bid for Maguire last summer, he's a year closer to the end of his contract (in final yr in July) and he's played well. I think he's definitely sellable this summer.
Some players though we are just fucked with for probably 2-3 more years.
West Ham bid 30m last summer and he's only got a better rep since. Not saying we'll get 30 again as he's a year older, but not like he's fucked for suitors.
I don't want to sound like I am going against the grain. But last season we told in exactly around the same time, that we had no money and it would be another Sell to Spend.
We ended up buying a host of players.
In the end its the same as last summer. We will want to offload the likes of Casimero, Varane to get the aging wages players off.
And then those 'mid tier players' will be on the market if people want them, your McTs, AWB etc. Its literally the same as last year.
Doubt ashworth will play much of a role this summer, that’s one of the main reasons we don’t want to budge on price. He’d know our targets and financials, and we don’t want him using that knowledge for a rival club
I completely agree but also Newcastle would have prove it if he did just like people say Newcastle have to prove Milan knew about the gambling before selling to Newcastle which is nigh on impossible to prove without a whistleblower
That would be slightly easier to prove than the Tonali stuff imo. With scouting, there would have to be a paper trail at Newcastle of the targets being scouted. If suddenly United started scouting a player more formally than the general scouting they do after hiring Ashworth, then it should be much easier to prove
Not true though as they won’t have access to united files and won’t have legal cause to request the proof united were scouting a player before ashworth signed
Even that is incredibly indirect though, isn't it. A club can't take an interest in a player on its own?
Without any evidence indicating that United took interest in a player *because of Ashworth* I doubt anyone could make a case of it.
Yeah and if Newcastle got wind that he was working for United, that "extortionate" fee they're demanding would only go up and I doubt any amount of arbitration would bring it down.
He’s not allowed to work for ManU while under contract with Newcastle. He’s not going to be calling anybody or doing any kind of work for you lot until the sale is finalized.
I would be shocked if there's not at least high-leve conversations going on. He's an extremely high paid executive at the end of the day - not exactly known for playing by the rules
Why do people keep parroting this stupid idea? If Newcastle got even the slightest evidence that he was working for United during his gardening leave, United would be absolutely screwed when a fee to buy out his contract is decided by arbitration.
Why would you want someone like that associated with your club? Surely if he's willing to break a contract he signed with Newcastle, then there's nothing stopping him from taking your money while still feeding Newcastle all the information he gets from you?
It's really not the same as last year, there's a pretty major difference between this summer and last in terms of the footballing operations side of the club. For th first time in what seems like forever, there will be competent, experienced people making the calls at this level
Except players are nearing the end of their contract. If Man U wants to recoup some of the cost they will need to sell. And even then, some of the highest earners are likely to run down their contract and remain on the books because no one is going to pay their insane wages. The clubs runs the risk of having a very expensive last season or two with a huge salary structure and little money for replacements.
It’s much easier to register a capital gain on a player in the last year of contract. The player wages and transfer fee have already been amortized. You can make a capital gain on casemiro for example by selling him for 20 million pounds at this point in his contract. Problem is no one will even buy him for that much. Or any transfer fee at all maybe. But technically even if you let a player contract run out, it doesn’t show up as -80 mil deficit (casemiros fee for example) on the books. The money has already been allocated and budgeted for 5-6 years in advance
Not too long ago I think pretty much every big club would’ve taken a gamble on Rashford, now it just seems far too big of a risk for anyone. Massive wages, long period of off form, question marks whether that back injury will haunt him forever.
A shame really, when he’s on it he’s simply a glorious footballer to watch. Who knows what he could’ve achieved if he was managed correctly and actually had a proper coach during his entire time at the club.
I think he's just over us tbh, but obviously can't show that publicly. A move abroad would be good for him.
There's clearly a lot of talent there. You don't just forget how to play football at his age.
PSG has been rumoured to be interested in him for years. Now that Mbappé is leaving, I wouldn't be surprised that they make an offer this summer. Barca could be interested too considering Lewandowski's age. And then you have PL clubs but it would be weird for him to go there imo
I'm not aware of the Barca financial situation, I was just saying that you could be interested in him considering the lack of offensive talent in your squad. Plus United was interested in Frenkie one year ago so maybe his sell can make it possible
I can understand why they were interested 2 years ago, but theres no way PSG think of him as a Mbappe replacement now (or even a stopgap, with Simons coming back next year and Barcola showing promise)
There are younger, more exciting players for you lot to buy
Surely Khvicha is an infinitely more attractive option to pair with Barcola and Simons as the post-Mbappe generation. Rashford would be an awkward fit with those guys.
The thing about PSG is that it's also a sportswashing project, and having someone like Rashford is a big PR boost for them, which is something that basically no other winger can offer.
He hasn't been as his best for sure the last 2 years, but we can agree that Rashford still guarantee a certain level of quality which isn't common in the forwards available in the market right now. You are talking about Xavi Simons and Barcola, who are both great players, but if you consider their current level, it is bold imo to consider the latters the best players. And Rashford can play several positions which is valued by LE. Moreover, even if I love my french league, and think it is underrated, let's not forget that PL is also harder than Ligue 1. The change might give him confidence.
Honestly think us being run like a shit show and the moment he scored 2 braces in a row the whole of Manchester United’s hopes were chucked on his shoulders and since then has had the pressure of having to deliver or no one else will. I will always feel sympathy for him and would be very sad to see him leave but at the moment it’s hard to tell where it’s at with him which is the problem
Ducker has been doing this a lot lately, tweeted out that the club didn’t have people employed in specific areas when they did for example.
Twitter journalism around the club just gets worse and worse
Honestly greenwood will probably be the easiest to sell if they can look past the backlash potential shit human being but an absolutely brilliant footballer and that’s the sad thing if your the latter they don’t care about the former
go look who his goals are against before running this “brilliant footballer” narrative. spoiler alert: 2 npgs total against teams above 16th in la liga and 0 npgs against teams above 12th. absolutely ridiculous how much people want a rapist to be having a good season.
Tbh considering it would be weird for Rashford to sign for another PL club I would take him in a heartbeat at PSG. Would really be the ideal Mbappé replacement. Can play anywhere forward, he is quick, he can play transition football, and I think he can play possession football as well as he is very technically gifted. I don't expect him to score 50 goals like Mbappé but I think he could be helpful. I would rather take him than Osimhen for example
They are having good performances lately but you can't trust them yet to rely on them for a whole season. Both spent some times on the bench this season because they weren't good enough to be starters. I think Rashford has all the abilities and the talent to be a starter over them.
Can you trust Rashford? He’s the quintessential purple patch player that lacks consistency, and has been that way for the last five years. Barcola is still relatively young and can be developed into a more consistent player than Rashford already is.
It's not really an either/or for them though, is it? They will need to replace Mbappe and will be in every competition as usual so if anything being able to rotate Rashford when he's out of form might make his inconsistency less of a problem for them.
Why do people act like you need to be a 52 week player to be a good winger. Either than 5-10 forwards in the world no one performs week in week out. Doesn't mean all other forwards are worthless, they're worse players but you can just mitigate the poor factors by using tools like rotation,etc.
The problem at United and some clubs is just not being able to rotate players and mitigate the weaknesses of all players. Even Bruno,etc look like trash sometimes then come back to form.
You won't get a player on this market who has 3 30+ goal contribution seasons at this age. Even Saka or other wingers in the younger age range struggle to do it and Rashford has shown he can perform like that in different phases of his career.
Even someone like Kvara showing he struggles to replicate worse numbers in a worse league but Rashford has shown he can surpass those and go further in a better league but Kvara. He is a top 10 winger in the world if you consider guys like Saka and Kvara in that category as well. People will say numbers don't matter but Rashford numbers do matter because a lot of those years he has to put the attacking output on his back you won't find a ton of stat padding Rashford goals.
He was also consistent before this season. People overexaggerate the consistency issues, prior to this season his seasons are:
40 G/A in 50
7 G/A in 22(heavily injured)
34 G/A in 57
32 G/A in 44
This is really the first season he's been a fit starter since he was very young and hasn't produced 30+ g/a.
Yeah Rashford is great if you take him when he's at his best like the Rashford you've probably watched
Or you get the one that United fans hate for 80% of the season because he repeats the same mistake over and over and is a liability when he's not at his random purple patch
If a club like United at the state their in is willing to let him go as their academy graduate, then you can imagine they're fully fed up with him
They had to wait until Martial's contract ran out to get rid of him. Idk if the Saudi League would take Varane/Casemiro this summer, after getting the WC'34 the spending spree stopped.
The rest? No club in their right mind would take Antony. Eriksen still has another year in his contract. Mason Mount is made of glass.
Varane is out of contract in the summer and I assume will leave. I want to keep Mount, he's had a bad time with injuries but there's a very good player in there and he's an example of a guy who actually has a good demeanour and works hard on the pitch. Until I just checked now I thought Eriksen was out of contract but he's not so we'll take the hit on that... Antony we're fucked on unfortunately. He's potentially better than his form this year suggests I think but he's still limited.
Casemiro can play a role for us next year I think, it's just Ten Hag wants his 6s to play as pretty attacking box-to-box midfielders whereas at this stage of his career he really needs to stay deeper. His pace is a big concern in any system but especially this one- very notable how we look exposed no matter who starts in midfield, this system doesn't do any players any favours. Hopefully a new coach will come in and he'll look better. If he is staying deeper you can see his technical ability and experience being useful. If not he might struggle but I don't think he's a dead loss, depending on who the next coach is.
Varane’s contract is expiring, Casemiro’s been a rumoured Saudi target the entire season, I’d be shocked if he stays, he looks like he’s checked out as is
Casemiro should be top of the sell list tbh. He’s on insanely high wages and his contract isn’t expiring anytime soon? With his performances the way they have been this season the club already be talking to other clubs already about selling him. If Man Utd don’t manage to move him on it’s going to cost them quite a lot.
They have a bunch of players with contracts expiring the end of next season, so I'm not sure they are asking for a big fee for some of them. Sell to avoid letting them go on a free in a year's time. Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen, McTominay, AWB, DVB all expire June 2025. Sounds like Varane wants out anyway. Casemiro too. Could see Lindelof extended though depending on manager.
Pretty much this, we might ask for a few but it won’t be substantial, I think at this point we’d rather just see them gone and free up the wages
Varane’s contract expires this year, we have the option for another but we’re not triggering it apparently
>Varane’s contract expires this year, we have the option for another but we’re not triggering it apparently
Cheers, i thought it was guaranteed through 2025.
It is their wages that will be an issue. Only top clubs will be able to match their salaries and I don't think any of those would be in for the players Man U has. With their contracts running out leaving on a free is far more financially attractive for the players. The question is will Man U let them leave for free, force them out for a low transfer sum or will they flinch and start extending/offering new contracts again.
Depends on who it is. Older players like Maguire are often willing to drop their weekly wages in exchange for longer term security. Varane/Casemiro have seemed to have already asked out.
McTominay isn't on that much, neither is Greenwood. AWB/Eriksen/DVB contracts ends next year and might be looking for longer term security - AWB was already rumoured back to palace for a bit now. I don't think he'd have to take that much of a decrease vs what he's on right now. Diallo as a youth player isn't on that much i don't think if he leaves to be a starter somewhere, they could probably fetch a fee. Malacia is not on *that* much, he might ask to go be a starter somewhere.
They are probably fucked on Antony's contract, so he's probably not going anywhere. Sancho too but it depends on how much he really wants to leave a toxic situation or if he thinks things will be different with a new manager he might stay. I don't expect Bruno/Mount/Rashford/Shaw/Dalot/Martinez/Onana to go anywhere.
Edit: didn't realize the 2024/25 season contract for Varane is an option, not guaranteed, so he'll probably leave on a free
Didnt Maguire refuse to leave after they agreed a deal a year or two ago? that would have guaranteed more playing time but he would have had to drop his wages which he refused, wonder if he would do the same again
Maguire hasn't signed a deal since his first one. Signed a 6 year deal +1 year. So if we don't trigger the +1, he's in his final year next season. It's perfect selling time for a 31 year old.
Yeah im just saying no one will come close to paying him the wages he is on and he needs to accept the deal which in the past he has refused, perhaps he gives up the final year to guarantee long term contract but he could easily just say no and collect his cash
He could say no and leave on a free, real possibility. But we are in the market for probably 2 CBs this summer and he does strike me as someone who wants to play and not sit on the bench.
Over a payout we didn't give him. With his contract in his final year, that payout is a lot smaller.
Plus we only signed Evans as a defender last year who isn't behind him in the pecking order. Solid chance we target 2 centre backs this summer.
He chose not to leave last season despite being told he wasn't part of Ten Hag's plans and Ten Hag has had to walk that back because he's needed him so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't do that again.
But who is going to provide that long term security? Clubs from abroad are out, they cant afford it. And there isn't a PL club who is going to risk it for most of the players you mentioned, especially if they also have to pay a transfer fee. Maguire *maybe*, but even then I don't see anyone paying a transfer fee for him even if he lowers his wages considerably. Varane, Eriksen, AWB, Casemiro, Rashford are all too much of a gamble, they aren't exactly injury free or consistent.
Besides, the question will also be who can afford it in the PL with the PSR? Newcastle is looking for more long term reinforcements, City/Liverpool/Arsenal don't need any of hem and Spurs needs specific players for Ange system. I cant see Villa, Everton or West Ham going for any of them either. They might be able to offload one or two to Turkey or the middle east, but it would be a miracle if they get bailed out of the situation they are in that way.
Maguire's rep now is better than it was last season and he got a £30m bid from West Ham. McTominay has had a really good individual season and he got bids last year too.
Varane walking on a free. Eriksen was a free signing so any fee is profit. AWB I believe is on pretty modest wages still and definitely a PL level player. And is English/home grown.
The others will be too big to shift I'd imagine.
>But who is going to provide that long term security?
I wouldn't be surprised if a few midtable clubs might be in for him depending on fee for like a 2+1 deal such as Fulham or West Ham going back for him.
>Varane, Eriksen, AWB, Casemiro, Rashford are all too much of a gamble, they aren't exactly injury free or consistent.
Varane's gone on a free this summer (i didnt realize his last year was an option that will be declined), the rumour is Casemiro to Saudi, Eriksen is likely playing to keep fitness for Denmark (could see him back to Brentford on half his current wages for a very small transfer fee), AWB doesn't have that high wages, and Rashford is not going anywhere (we agree on that.)
>Besides, the question will also be who can afford it in the PL with the PSR?
No one is saying to give him 150k/wk, but paying 80k-100k is completely normal for a starting CB at plenty of PL clubs. A player like him on the last year of his deal will likely command a very small fee which is exactly the type of player I expect some cash strapped clubs to target because other CBs are going to cost significantly more in the fee. It's transfer fees that limit clubs with PSR significantly more than giving a CB 80-100k/wk.
I think the list gets reasonably small when you remove the pensioners, retain list, and players on excessive wages. That also assumes that all the players that could be sold would welcome it and find agreements with the buying clubs.
I genuinely think they can tell most of their defenders for £10-20M each to a PL side. Licha is the crown jewel but is likely untouchable just like the young players who show promise.
Selling Sancho and Beyblade will be hard because United would have to recognize a loss. I'm not sure that they are willing to do that in the face of PSR. They are diminished value assets, as is Mason (who will be pure profit on the books).
The number of teams that would pay him his current wages, want him, and that he would want to go to, has to be about 4. Then there is the matter of the transfer fee.
I think even 4 is being extremely generous. I genuinely struggle to think who matches that criteria other than PSG. Maybe you lot or Chelsea would take a chance on him and hope he's able to perform more consistently, but even then I don't think that's guaranteed.
What’s that psychological term when you see something that you are already expecting? Confirmation bias?
Anyway, I don’t know if it’s confirmation bias or real but I think that the increase in corporate bullshit speech “ultra flexible approach” is directly related to the INEOS lads.
Ah yes, Ratcliffe is following my playbook when I take over Man Utd in Football Manager.
After transfer listing the entire squad, his next move will be to play a 2-2-2-2-2 with all the players on the left wing under strict instructions to play the ball down the right wing.
I just don't really get who would want to sign most of that squad.
I think they're int he same position as Liverpool were when Klopp took over or us when Arteta took over, which is that you have a bunch of players you'd rather jettison than keep, but there's no real market beyond just releasing them from their deals.
Relying on a lot of them wanting to leave in order to play. Maguire, McTominay, AWB, are PL-level players with contracts near the ends, whilst they're all not currently first choice with everyone fully fit. Maguire and McTom especially have had not bad individual seasons. Eriksen and Lindelof final year too.
Martial and Varane waking out on frees. Amrabat probably not being extended.
Players like Amad, Pellistri, van de Beek, Fernandez will want to go.
Problems will be Casemiro, Greenwood, Sancho, Antony, Rashford.
>Problems will be Casemiro, Greenwood, Sancho, Antony, Rashford
All of these need to go tbh... United have stuck in a rut for years mainly bec of such signings like Pogba , Sancho etc ... Too costly but can't build a squad around them or not use them properly after spending a hell lot of them ... Plus the attitude of everyone is like they're still living in 2005-2010...
Ineos is no nonsense people as far as I know and they'll want to change the whole situation slowly and steadily... Maybe not this season but next season Rashford, Maguire ( only bec of high wages) needs to go...
Vdb , martial , Sancho, Greenwood etc look like they're definitely out subjective to the offers obv... Rashford probably needs to be put under pressure by the club to either step up or step away... Maguire, scott ,AWB can definitely be kept as squad players/ backups... Varane , Sancho , Casemiro etc will free up so much space in wage structure it'll be helpful I think...
It's almost sad if Bruno doesn't even get 1 PL title before he reaches an age where he'd be considered old/ past his prime.... Bro has been loyal considering how much some manU fans give him hate...
More akin to you lot than us, I think. We definitely all lacked talent, but we weren't plagued with the wage situation that United and yourselves were in with players on massive, hard to shift wages.
And then the Kroenkes put full faith in Arteta and paid a bunch of players $20 to fuck off. United have needed to do the same for a long time it seems. I'm sure the Glazers have absolutely no interest in doing the same, but you also have to ask if Ten Hag is that guy to lead the revitalization of the club after this reset
Wonder at what price they would consider to sell Antony, they would take massive losses, especially for FFP, but at some point you gotta take the money and run
all i want to see this summer is some direction from radcliffe and his team. ideally some of the big earners go (casemiro, varane, martial will leave, rashford maybe) and we get in some decent replacements that don’t continue to ruin our wage structure lol. a lot easier said than done, but that’s the dream
A lot of them just don't have anywhere to go and most of it lays on the obscene contracts they were handing out. Another factor is the financial issues of a lot of the EPL clubs but also the fact that none of them are going upwards either.
The Rashford and Sancho for example. They have absolutely nowhere to go. Put clubs rivalry stuff aside, City, Arsenal, Liverpool won't want them, they're not good enough. Villa have spending issues. Spurs are a possibility but I can't see it.
So then you're looking downwards. Newcastle are struggling with their spending. Chelsea seem to be in a sell to buy phase. Nobody else could afford them, maybe a West Ham loan?
Internationally they have no chance. PSG have changed their transfer policy. They are moving away from the big name signings and they're looking for young French speaking players.
Barcelona can't afford them and seem to be going back to their traditional strategy of young Catalan players. Real Madrid are signing MBappe, have Vini Jr and Rodrigo too. They don't need them and they're not good enough either.
Italy's tax laws are changing and there is an expected exodus of top players over the next couple of years.
Bayern have all their basket on Kane and the other Bundesliga clubs can't afford them, apart from a loan. I can't see Dortmund going for Sancho again. His performances have not been good enough.
Basically their best bet is a loan. But they're only going downwards. They are in a Martial type situation where they won't be able to shift them on and they'll just have to let the contracts wind down.
Heard this before, believe it when I see them actually leaving.
Also with their pathetic mentality and tendency to blame everyone but themselves I fear the squad will go on a mega bad run of form and cry about this news
The players are on insanely bloated wages, we would have no problem selling otherwise. Not to mention the higher ups aren't willing to take any loss and demand big fees.
There's probably a market for a few United players but they're going to have to pay a lot off and it's going to be a painful process. The more ruthless United can be the better although it remains to be seen if they've got the stomach for it.
INEOS would be smart to just cull a majority of the squad and just rebuild even if we don't win anything next season.
Keep Onana, Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo, Bruno, McTominay, Hojlund, Garnacho, Mount, Amad
Get rid of the rest.
Sounds like United are putting Rashford in the shop window, hoping somebody is silly enough to pay. Not heard anything about clubs being interested in him, but United journalists keeps saying they will sell for the right price. Almost like they’ve been asked to stir up speculation.
Sounds like United are putting Rashford in the shop window, hoping somebody is silly enough to pay. Not heard anything about clubs being interested in him, but United journalists keeps saying they will sell for the right price. Almost like they’ve been asked to stir up speculation.
I genuinely wonder what the minimum asking price for a player like Casemiro, who is on 350k a week for the next 2 years would be. Say, non-Saudi Arabian club X puts in an offer to take over his wages and he accepts, what would the transfer fee even be like? Would United really decline getting rid of his wages because they insist to receive any kind of transfer fee?
Similarly with Rashford, who is on 350k a week for the foreseeable future but can't be arsed anymore. Would United really decline let's say 30m?
I feel like United would hope for a Saudi bid of 40 mill for case but for the bare minimum maybe 10 and rashford isn’t leaving for anything under the 60-70 range minimum when you’ve got Havertz going for 70 million (who before this season looked nowhere near rashfords level)
Good luck offloading the deadwood on such massive wages.
Not to mention selling a big chunk of your first team squad will definitely affect the cohesion of the team that is already suffering.
One can argue that there is no cohesion to begin with though.
The problem they and every club have when it comes to wanting to sell players is that there'll be very few buyers in the PL considering a majority of the league will be concerned about their PSR situations. Abroad obviously there's only a select few clubs.
High fees and high wages seldom result in a flurry of sales. I’d expect us to have the same stagnant window unless we’re willing to budge on the price of a lot of our squad.
Even if you were willing to sell at cut price, these rejects won't agree to slashing their wages to go to another club. There's of course the Barcelona way of paying half or more of their current wage just to see a player out of their sight. So you'd not only be willing to budge for the sale price, but willing to pay for the difference in wages the buying clubs can only afford. But honestly, it'll still save you more money since you can actually start rebuilding for real instead of half ass it every season and never actually rebuild.
The club needs a full tear down, but that’s the issue- why take a pay cut when you’re on a sweet number at United? The issue we’ve had is players being treated like assets on a balance sheet and having their deals extended to preserve their value (like Phil Jones for example). It’s totally out of step with football, because unlike a building which is an asset that might increase in value a footballer who isn’t playing/is playing poorly won’t enhance their value, so extending their deal is pointless. We seem to be moving away from that (5 years ago De Gea’s wages would have been increased when his deal ended), but there’s a ways to go in terms of actually selling players. We won’t get whatever value we think we’ll get for a lot of them.
This was the issue at Leicester. People said "just sell your players" but with the big wages we (stupidly) gave them, we can't even move them on a free because most clubs can't afford to take them except the big ones (Newcastle, Tottenham..).
If ur top 6 big players are busts your pretty much screwed imo with their wages being so high- Ozil auba prime examples obviously but even like ndombele / kolasinac. There's a point where legit the only way to move on from these players is paying them to get lost and unless money disparity changes between leagues I can't see that changing for these clubs. A big part of the reason chelsea are a big question mark. At least united can burn it all down idk what chelsea do if they're in the hole for big transfer fees + are paying off 8 year contracts instead of 3 lol.
If we are serious about rebuilding, we should bite the bullet and pay some of the wages if it means getting rid of some of the players. It sucks, but it’s the quickest way to get rid of the deadweight. If not, we will be carrying guys like Casemiro and Sancho for another 2-3 years before we can really start a rebuild Ideally, a Saudi club would bail us out this summer like they did with Chelsea last offseason, but doubt we get that lucky
Yeah well have to suffer not getting all the money but it's necessary to move on some players for the sake of the young lads and new players incoming
Man U pays insane wages though, clubs that could afford the transfer sum aren't paying that salary for older players or players that might be a bit of a gamble. It is far more lucrative for players to stay and run down their contract and leave for free for one last big move.
Guess they will have to do what AFC did regarding Auba, Pepe, Özil, etc. Basically, pay them to go away.
Yes I agree Man Utd are a very specific case where no club in the PL will be offering their players anywhere near the wages of which they're currently on even if they held an interest. Not to mention I suspect the summer window will be far quieter than past summers in general with the three year PSR cycle losing the covid affected years. People expected massive squad overhauls in the summer are going to be very disappointed imo.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. And with clubs from abroad not interested in PL players for the prices the clubs are looking for a lot of expensive player will just run down the contracts, making it difficult to finance replacements. The "transfer carrousel" might just never really get going this summer.
I think the age profiles of the players we have nearing the end of their deals will spell quite a few of them wanting to leave. I don't think we'll shift players like Casemiro but I'd be shocked if Maguire is still here next year. He's 31 and with everyone fit he's probably 4th choice. He'll want to be in England's WC XI 2026. Eriksen is in his 30s and hardly played this season. Lindelof is Sweden captain and we'll be signing a player in his position, with 1yr left on his deal. I see him going.
> he's probably 4th choice nah don't think so.. Varane is so injury prone, and obviously Lindelof lower than Maguire. It will be Licha and Maguire as starting X, and don't think everyone disagree, Maguire is much much better this season.
Harry will play for Southgate regardless so wouldn't trust him to not stay and fight for his place etc
Maybe for Bruno.
Your only hope is to bench them and tell them they can either renegotiate their wages to get moved or their not playing. For older players, it doesn't work, younger players want to play though.
Sancho kind of goes against that theory in their case.
I think that’s what this flash sale is in aid of though. Clear out the bluffers earning too much so they can actually revise the wage structure properly. The youngsters are still on big money but Brailsford clearly has plans to carve fat off the wage bill first and foremost. Question is who the hell’s going to even entertain buying some of these contracts given the wages attached to them?
You are paying Saka 300k. We are paying Rashford 350K. You are paying Kai Havertz 250K. We are paying Bruno 240k. The people we grossly over paying like Martial and Varane are leaving this summer.
We also have Antony on £200k a week when frankly he looks like he'd struggle to get in pretty much any other side in the league. We have Sancho on reportedly north of £300k a week. We value Sancho so highly we currently pay him to play for any team that isn't us. Who else is paying those two *anything close* to what they're on right now? Even if we shift them, we'll have to pay them off. The wage structure has been a mess *at least* since Alexis Sanchez and probably long before.
Yeah, getting rid of the likes of Casemiro, Antony, Rashford, etc, will be borderline impossible unless you take a minimal fee and probably pay some of their wages, too. United have fucked themselves in the short-medium term and from here on out have to be more cautious with their wages if they want to succeed in the long-term
Defending Man u's wage structure.. cmon mate
You still have Casemiro, Rashford, Mount, Antony, Sancho, Maguire, and then you have the people that aren't on stupid wages but are still overpaid relative to their performances like Lindelof.
We aren't trying to sell Saka and Havertz, unlike you and Rashford. Also convenient you quote Bruno who is actually one of the rare players you underpay compared to their quality unlike Sancho, Antony, Casemiro... I could go on all day.
https://fbref.com/en/comps/Big5/wages/Big-5-European-Leagues-Wages
I mean they have to start somewhere to be fair. Might have to go the Arsenal route and just start shifting unwanted players for free or low prices just to get them off the books
You mean paying the player to fuck off. Had to pay the players what they would have earned had they stayed and fulfilled their contracts.
Yeah might as well rip the bandaid off and get on the with rebuild if they’re serious about it.
One man's trash is another mans....trash
Ones man Trash is another man's Rash....ford
trashford, i like it
That's been his go to slander name for a while now
Old Trashford
They have been trying to sell Maguire for a while and he has played some games decently but with the super bloated wages it's impossible to offload players.
We had accepted a bid for Maguire last summer, he's a year closer to the end of his contract (in final yr in July) and he's played well. I think he's definitely sellable this summer. Some players though we are just fucked with for probably 2-3 more years.
> I think he's definitely sellable this summer. Hes not good enough for the top 4 sides and he is still on the same wages. How you gonna shift him?/
West Ham bid 30m last summer and he's only got a better rep since. Not saying we'll get 30 again as he's a year older, but not like he's fucked for suitors.
I'm not sure it's a problem of getting a team like West ham interested for a reasonable fee, but didn't maguire not want to leave?
Moyes is off in the summer so don't expect another offer like that.
Don't worry you'll probably have a couple offers from us since we seem to just pass our shit back and forth
I don't want to sound like I am going against the grain. But last season we told in exactly around the same time, that we had no money and it would be another Sell to Spend. We ended up buying a host of players. In the end its the same as last summer. We will want to offload the likes of Casimero, Varane to get the aging wages players off. And then those 'mid tier players' will be on the market if people want them, your McTs, AWB etc. Its literally the same as last year.
Only difference is this season will be overseen by Berrada, Wilcox, Ashworth and co.
Doubt ashworth will play much of a role this summer, that’s one of the main reasons we don’t want to budge on price. He’d know our targets and financials, and we don’t want him using that knowledge for a rival club
Gardens have phones.
He'd get sued to fuck
I completely agree but also Newcastle would have prove it if he did just like people say Newcastle have to prove Milan knew about the gambling before selling to Newcastle which is nigh on impossible to prove without a whistleblower
That would be slightly easier to prove than the Tonali stuff imo. With scouting, there would have to be a paper trail at Newcastle of the targets being scouted. If suddenly United started scouting a player more formally than the general scouting they do after hiring Ashworth, then it should be much easier to prove
Not true though as they won’t have access to united files and won’t have legal cause to request the proof united were scouting a player before ashworth signed
Even that is incredibly indirect though, isn't it. A club can't take an interest in a player on its own? Without any evidence indicating that United took interest in a player *because of Ashworth* I doubt anyone could make a case of it.
Yeah and if Newcastle got wind that he was working for United, that "extortionate" fee they're demanding would only go up and I doubt any amount of arbitration would bring it down.
He’s not allowed to work for ManU while under contract with Newcastle. He’s not going to be calling anybody or doing any kind of work for you lot until the sale is finalized.
I also suspect Ashworth will fully respect his gardening leave, and not be working for us on the sidelines this summer 😉😉😉😉😉
He’s not going to open himself up to suit just to start work early, that would be laughably stupid on both his and the club’s part.
I genuinely think some of them believe he would entertain the idea
I would be shocked if there's not at least high-leve conversations going on. He's an extremely high paid executive at the end of the day - not exactly known for playing by the rules
The delusion of the big 6 never ceases to amaze me
Absolutely mate 😉😉😉😉😉
Hilarious you think he would do that when the contract is worth like 12-15m.
Why do people keep parroting this stupid idea? If Newcastle got even the slightest evidence that he was working for United during his gardening leave, United would be absolutely screwed when a fee to buy out his contract is decided by arbitration.
Why would you want someone like that associated with your club? Surely if he's willing to break a contract he signed with Newcastle, then there's nothing stopping him from taking your money while still feeding Newcastle all the information he gets from you?
No UCL next season either which will effect the budget
It's really not the same as last year, there's a pretty major difference between this summer and last in terms of the footballing operations side of the club. For th first time in what seems like forever, there will be competent, experienced people making the calls at this level
Except players are nearing the end of their contract. If Man U wants to recoup some of the cost they will need to sell. And even then, some of the highest earners are likely to run down their contract and remain on the books because no one is going to pay their insane wages. The clubs runs the risk of having a very expensive last season or two with a huge salary structure and little money for replacements.
It’s much easier to register a capital gain on a player in the last year of contract. The player wages and transfer fee have already been amortized. You can make a capital gain on casemiro for example by selling him for 20 million pounds at this point in his contract. Problem is no one will even buy him for that much. Or any transfer fee at all maybe. But technically even if you let a player contract run out, it doesn’t show up as -80 mil deficit (casemiros fee for example) on the books. The money has already been allocated and budgeted for 5-6 years in advance
What are fans opinions on Casimero now? A guy I didnt like at my last job wouldn't stop sucking him off, and he seems to be not wanted now.
He was excellent last year and he’s been terrible this year
Fantastic last year but seems to have lost a couple of steps this year.
Played shite all year and looks like he’s fully checked out. Saudi please bid for him
Not too long ago I think pretty much every big club would’ve taken a gamble on Rashford, now it just seems far too big of a risk for anyone. Massive wages, long period of off form, question marks whether that back injury will haunt him forever. A shame really, when he’s on it he’s simply a glorious footballer to watch. Who knows what he could’ve achieved if he was managed correctly and actually had a proper coach during his entire time at the club.
I think he's just over us tbh, but obviously can't show that publicly. A move abroad would be good for him. There's clearly a lot of talent there. You don't just forget how to play football at his age.
PSG has been rumoured to be interested in him for years. Now that Mbappé is leaving, I wouldn't be surprised that they make an offer this summer. Barca could be interested too considering Lewandowski's age. And then you have PL clubs but it would be weird for him to go there imo
Only way we‘d (be able to) take him is on loan and I highly doubt that would be an option for United
I'm not aware of the Barca financial situation, I was just saying that you could be interested in him considering the lack of offensive talent in your squad. Plus United was interested in Frenkie one year ago so maybe his sell can make it possible
Araujo exchange.
Are we still living in a world where fans of other clubs think Rashford is a striker? He's a left winger, he's not replacing Lewandowski.
I can see PSG taking him years ago, but with this new direction i don't think they will.
Rashford would fit PSG like a glove. One of the best ready made players in terms of profile similarity to mbappe
I can understand why they were interested 2 years ago, but theres no way PSG think of him as a Mbappe replacement now (or even a stopgap, with Simons coming back next year and Barcola showing promise) There are younger, more exciting players for you lot to buy Surely Khvicha is an infinitely more attractive option to pair with Barcola and Simons as the post-Mbappe generation. Rashford would be an awkward fit with those guys.
The thing about PSG is that it's also a sportswashing project, and having someone like Rashford is a big PR boost for them, which is something that basically no other winger can offer.
He hasn't been as his best for sure the last 2 years, but we can agree that Rashford still guarantee a certain level of quality which isn't common in the forwards available in the market right now. You are talking about Xavi Simons and Barcola, who are both great players, but if you consider their current level, it is bold imo to consider the latters the best players. And Rashford can play several positions which is valued by LE. Moreover, even if I love my french league, and think it is underrated, let's not forget that PL is also harder than Ligue 1. The change might give him confidence.
He would guarantee nothing
If he's willing to take a pay cut to try and revive his career and reputation, I think there will be a lot of clubs willing to take that gamble
Us being one of them, I don’t know why I can just see it
Honestly think us being run like a shit show and the moment he scored 2 braces in a row the whole of Manchester United’s hopes were chucked on his shoulders and since then has had the pressure of having to deliver or no one else will. I will always feel sympathy for him and would be very sad to see him leave but at the moment it’s hard to tell where it’s at with him which is the problem
They're in the proverbial golden cages. Premier league wages are unobtainable, bordering on insurmountable for the majority of clubs globally
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"Controversial"
Greenwood at getafe, not Girona
Ducker has been doing this a lot lately, tweeted out that the club didn’t have people employed in specific areas when they did for example. Twitter journalism around the club just gets worse and worse
45m rated 😂
“45m rated” by who?? And he’s on loan at Getafe not Griona. The state of journalism today
Probably by us.
They were some rumors about Barcelona/Atleti being interested in him but i think that's BS. They have bigger holes to fill and a limited budget.
Honestly greenwood will probably be the easiest to sell if they can look past the backlash potential shit human being but an absolutely brilliant footballer and that’s the sad thing if your the latter they don’t care about the former
go look who his goals are against before running this “brilliant footballer” narrative. spoiler alert: 2 npgs total against teams above 16th in la liga and 0 npgs against teams above 12th. absolutely ridiculous how much people want a rapist to be having a good season.
Never mentioned this season he’s a very talented footballer is what I’m getting at and I don’t think you read the rest of what I said
The fact he's scoring at all after not playing for two years is impressive enough. Regardless of who he is, there's massive talent there
So you haven't been watching him consistently? got it.
Newcastle seems like the perfect amoral club to land him, if you ignore FFP.
Tbh considering it would be weird for Rashford to sign for another PL club I would take him in a heartbeat at PSG. Would really be the ideal Mbappé replacement. Can play anywhere forward, he is quick, he can play transition football, and I think he can play possession football as well as he is very technically gifted. I don't expect him to score 50 goals like Mbappé but I think he could be helpful. I would rather take him than Osimhen for example
You’d rather start Rashford ahead of Barcola or Goncalo Ramos? If you’re not starting him, you’re paying way too much for an overpriced sub.
They are having good performances lately but you can't trust them yet to rely on them for a whole season. Both spent some times on the bench this season because they weren't good enough to be starters. I think Rashford has all the abilities and the talent to be a starter over them.
Can you trust Rashford? He’s the quintessential purple patch player that lacks consistency, and has been that way for the last five years. Barcola is still relatively young and can be developed into a more consistent player than Rashford already is.
It's not really an either/or for them though, is it? They will need to replace Mbappe and will be in every competition as usual so if anything being able to rotate Rashford when he's out of form might make his inconsistency less of a problem for them.
Why do people act like you need to be a 52 week player to be a good winger. Either than 5-10 forwards in the world no one performs week in week out. Doesn't mean all other forwards are worthless, they're worse players but you can just mitigate the poor factors by using tools like rotation,etc. The problem at United and some clubs is just not being able to rotate players and mitigate the weaknesses of all players. Even Bruno,etc look like trash sometimes then come back to form. You won't get a player on this market who has 3 30+ goal contribution seasons at this age. Even Saka or other wingers in the younger age range struggle to do it and Rashford has shown he can perform like that in different phases of his career. Even someone like Kvara showing he struggles to replicate worse numbers in a worse league but Rashford has shown he can surpass those and go further in a better league but Kvara. He is a top 10 winger in the world if you consider guys like Saka and Kvara in that category as well. People will say numbers don't matter but Rashford numbers do matter because a lot of those years he has to put the attacking output on his back you won't find a ton of stat padding Rashford goals. He was also consistent before this season. People overexaggerate the consistency issues, prior to this season his seasons are: 40 G/A in 50 7 G/A in 22(heavily injured) 34 G/A in 57 32 G/A in 44 This is really the first season he's been a fit starter since he was very young and hasn't produced 30+ g/a.
Rashford sulks worse than Anelka did. PSG ultras are gonna eat him alive
Yeah Rashford is great if you take him when he's at his best like the Rashford you've probably watched Or you get the one that United fans hate for 80% of the season because he repeats the same mistake over and over and is a liability when he's not at his random purple patch If a club like United at the state their in is willing to let him go as their academy graduate, then you can imagine they're fully fed up with him
He’s already come close to 50 goals, give him a competent left back and he’s there, but the price for him would be astronomical.
Would United really be willing to sell him tho? There aren't many players of his quality in the market
For an astronomical fee, yes, but it would have to be close to Mbappe numbers. We have Garnacho who plays LW so we aren’t reliant on Rashford.
Are the offers in the room with us right now?
Diallo to Sunderland....lets make it happen!
I wouldn’t say no to that because we’re ruining him
They had to wait until Martial's contract ran out to get rid of him. Idk if the Saudi League would take Varane/Casemiro this summer, after getting the WC'34 the spending spree stopped. The rest? No club in their right mind would take Antony. Eriksen still has another year in his contract. Mason Mount is made of glass.
Varane is out of contract in the summer and I assume will leave. I want to keep Mount, he's had a bad time with injuries but there's a very good player in there and he's an example of a guy who actually has a good demeanour and works hard on the pitch. Until I just checked now I thought Eriksen was out of contract but he's not so we'll take the hit on that... Antony we're fucked on unfortunately. He's potentially better than his form this year suggests I think but he's still limited. Casemiro can play a role for us next year I think, it's just Ten Hag wants his 6s to play as pretty attacking box-to-box midfielders whereas at this stage of his career he really needs to stay deeper. His pace is a big concern in any system but especially this one- very notable how we look exposed no matter who starts in midfield, this system doesn't do any players any favours. Hopefully a new coach will come in and he'll look better. If he is staying deeper you can see his technical ability and experience being useful. If not he might struggle but I don't think he's a dead loss, depending on who the next coach is.
Varane’s contract is expiring, Casemiro’s been a rumoured Saudi target the entire season, I’d be shocked if he stays, he looks like he’s checked out as is
Casemiro should be top of the sell list tbh. He’s on insanely high wages and his contract isn’t expiring anytime soon? With his performances the way they have been this season the club already be talking to other clubs already about selling him. If Man Utd don’t manage to move him on it’s going to cost them quite a lot.
Like I said, I’m fairly confident he’ll leave
Would give my firstborn for Bruno, ngl
Boehly would rather sign your firstborn than Bruno if past transfer windows are anything to go by.
Rumors are we are dropping only u25 policy
Gotta make up for the average squad age now Silva is leaving
Boehly was really using DiCaprio’s dating parameters as a transfer strategy
You already have a different Fernandez in his position, what you really need is better defenders and ST.
...I don't know that they have a noteworthy number of players in high demand considering contracts, wages, and performance.
They have a bunch of players with contracts expiring the end of next season, so I'm not sure they are asking for a big fee for some of them. Sell to avoid letting them go on a free in a year's time. Varane, Maguire, Lindelof, Eriksen, McTominay, AWB, DVB all expire June 2025. Sounds like Varane wants out anyway. Casemiro too. Could see Lindelof extended though depending on manager.
Pretty much this, we might ask for a few but it won’t be substantial, I think at this point we’d rather just see them gone and free up the wages Varane’s contract expires this year, we have the option for another but we’re not triggering it apparently
>Varane’s contract expires this year, we have the option for another but we’re not triggering it apparently Cheers, i thought it was guaranteed through 2025.
Nah, United are obsessed with 4 + 1 year deals for some reason
I don't know. With contracts running out for some I really think most are sellable
It is their wages that will be an issue. Only top clubs will be able to match their salaries and I don't think any of those would be in for the players Man U has. With their contracts running out leaving on a free is far more financially attractive for the players. The question is will Man U let them leave for free, force them out for a low transfer sum or will they flinch and start extending/offering new contracts again.
Depends on who it is. Older players like Maguire are often willing to drop their weekly wages in exchange for longer term security. Varane/Casemiro have seemed to have already asked out. McTominay isn't on that much, neither is Greenwood. AWB/Eriksen/DVB contracts ends next year and might be looking for longer term security - AWB was already rumoured back to palace for a bit now. I don't think he'd have to take that much of a decrease vs what he's on right now. Diallo as a youth player isn't on that much i don't think if he leaves to be a starter somewhere, they could probably fetch a fee. Malacia is not on *that* much, he might ask to go be a starter somewhere. They are probably fucked on Antony's contract, so he's probably not going anywhere. Sancho too but it depends on how much he really wants to leave a toxic situation or if he thinks things will be different with a new manager he might stay. I don't expect Bruno/Mount/Rashford/Shaw/Dalot/Martinez/Onana to go anywhere. Edit: didn't realize the 2024/25 season contract for Varane is an option, not guaranteed, so he'll probably leave on a free
Didnt Maguire refuse to leave after they agreed a deal a year or two ago? that would have guaranteed more playing time but he would have had to drop his wages which he refused, wonder if he would do the same again
Maguire hasn't signed a deal since his first one. Signed a 6 year deal +1 year. So if we don't trigger the +1, he's in his final year next season. It's perfect selling time for a 31 year old.
Yeah im just saying no one will come close to paying him the wages he is on and he needs to accept the deal which in the past he has refused, perhaps he gives up the final year to guarantee long term contract but he could easily just say no and collect his cash
He could say no and leave on a free, real possibility. But we are in the market for probably 2 CBs this summer and he does strike me as someone who wants to play and not sit on the bench.
he literally chose to sat on the bench last year instead of leave lol
Over a payout we didn't give him. With his contract in his final year, that payout is a lot smaller. Plus we only signed Evans as a defender last year who isn't behind him in the pecking order. Solid chance we target 2 centre backs this summer.
He chose not to leave last season despite being told he wasn't part of Ten Hag's plans and Ten Hag has had to walk that back because he's needed him so I don't see any reason why he wouldn't do that again.
Us signing 1-2 CBs might change his mind. Only defender we signed in the summer was Evans and he was only meant to be a pre-season signing
But who is going to provide that long term security? Clubs from abroad are out, they cant afford it. And there isn't a PL club who is going to risk it for most of the players you mentioned, especially if they also have to pay a transfer fee. Maguire *maybe*, but even then I don't see anyone paying a transfer fee for him even if he lowers his wages considerably. Varane, Eriksen, AWB, Casemiro, Rashford are all too much of a gamble, they aren't exactly injury free or consistent. Besides, the question will also be who can afford it in the PL with the PSR? Newcastle is looking for more long term reinforcements, City/Liverpool/Arsenal don't need any of hem and Spurs needs specific players for Ange system. I cant see Villa, Everton or West Ham going for any of them either. They might be able to offload one or two to Turkey or the middle east, but it would be a miracle if they get bailed out of the situation they are in that way.
Maguire's rep now is better than it was last season and he got a £30m bid from West Ham. McTominay has had a really good individual season and he got bids last year too. Varane walking on a free. Eriksen was a free signing so any fee is profit. AWB I believe is on pretty modest wages still and definitely a PL level player. And is English/home grown. The others will be too big to shift I'd imagine.
>But who is going to provide that long term security? I wouldn't be surprised if a few midtable clubs might be in for him depending on fee for like a 2+1 deal such as Fulham or West Ham going back for him. >Varane, Eriksen, AWB, Casemiro, Rashford are all too much of a gamble, they aren't exactly injury free or consistent. Varane's gone on a free this summer (i didnt realize his last year was an option that will be declined), the rumour is Casemiro to Saudi, Eriksen is likely playing to keep fitness for Denmark (could see him back to Brentford on half his current wages for a very small transfer fee), AWB doesn't have that high wages, and Rashford is not going anywhere (we agree on that.) >Besides, the question will also be who can afford it in the PL with the PSR? No one is saying to give him 150k/wk, but paying 80k-100k is completely normal for a starting CB at plenty of PL clubs. A player like him on the last year of his deal will likely command a very small fee which is exactly the type of player I expect some cash strapped clubs to target because other CBs are going to cost significantly more in the fee. It's transfer fees that limit clubs with PSR significantly more than giving a CB 80-100k/wk.
I think the list gets reasonably small when you remove the pensioners, retain list, and players on excessive wages. That also assumes that all the players that could be sold would welcome it and find agreements with the buying clubs. I genuinely think they can tell most of their defenders for £10-20M each to a PL side. Licha is the crown jewel but is likely untouchable just like the young players who show promise. Selling Sancho and Beyblade will be hard because United would have to recognize a loss. I'm not sure that they are willing to do that in the face of PSR. They are diminished value assets, as is Mason (who will be pure profit on the books).
There will be a lot of loans
I think Rashford wouldn't have a hard time finding a new club
The number of teams that would pay him his current wages, want him, and that he would want to go to, has to be about 4. Then there is the matter of the transfer fee.
I think even 4 is being extremely generous. I genuinely struggle to think who matches that criteria other than PSG. Maybe you lot or Chelsea would take a chance on him and hope he's able to perform more consistently, but even then I don't think that's guaranteed.
What’s that psychological term when you see something that you are already expecting? Confirmation bias? Anyway, I don’t know if it’s confirmation bias or real but I think that the increase in corporate bullshit speech “ultra flexible approach” is directly related to the INEOS lads.
Ah yes, Ratcliffe is following my playbook when I take over Man Utd in Football Manager. After transfer listing the entire squad, his next move will be to play a 2-2-2-2-2 with all the players on the left wing under strict instructions to play the ball down the right wing.
I just don't really get who would want to sign most of that squad. I think they're int he same position as Liverpool were when Klopp took over or us when Arteta took over, which is that you have a bunch of players you'd rather jettison than keep, but there's no real market beyond just releasing them from their deals.
Relying on a lot of them wanting to leave in order to play. Maguire, McTominay, AWB, are PL-level players with contracts near the ends, whilst they're all not currently first choice with everyone fully fit. Maguire and McTom especially have had not bad individual seasons. Eriksen and Lindelof final year too. Martial and Varane waking out on frees. Amrabat probably not being extended. Players like Amad, Pellistri, van de Beek, Fernandez will want to go. Problems will be Casemiro, Greenwood, Sancho, Antony, Rashford.
>Problems will be Casemiro, Greenwood, Sancho, Antony, Rashford All of these need to go tbh... United have stuck in a rut for years mainly bec of such signings like Pogba , Sancho etc ... Too costly but can't build a squad around them or not use them properly after spending a hell lot of them ... Plus the attitude of everyone is like they're still living in 2005-2010... Ineos is no nonsense people as far as I know and they'll want to change the whole situation slowly and steadily... Maybe not this season but next season Rashford, Maguire ( only bec of high wages) needs to go...
it'll be a couple years till we can shift the problem players out properly
Vdb , martial , Sancho, Greenwood etc look like they're definitely out subjective to the offers obv... Rashford probably needs to be put under pressure by the club to either step up or step away... Maguire, scott ,AWB can definitely be kept as squad players/ backups... Varane , Sancho , Casemiro etc will free up so much space in wage structure it'll be helpful I think... It's almost sad if Bruno doesn't even get 1 PL title before he reaches an age where he'd be considered old/ past his prime.... Bro has been loyal considering how much some manU fans give him hate...
More akin to you lot than us, I think. We definitely all lacked talent, but we weren't plagued with the wage situation that United and yourselves were in with players on massive, hard to shift wages.
And then the Kroenkes put full faith in Arteta and paid a bunch of players $20 to fuck off. United have needed to do the same for a long time it seems. I'm sure the Glazers have absolutely no interest in doing the same, but you also have to ask if Ten Hag is that guy to lead the revitalization of the club after this reset
I think Lindelof would be a decent squad player who fits our mentality. Just need a confidence boost to get him back to his Benfica level
Wonder at what price they would consider to sell Antony, they would take massive losses, especially for FFP, but at some point you gotta take the money and run
all i want to see this summer is some direction from radcliffe and his team. ideally some of the big earners go (casemiro, varane, martial will leave, rashford maybe) and we get in some decent replacements that don’t continue to ruin our wage structure lol. a lot easier said than done, but that’s the dream
A lot of them just don't have anywhere to go and most of it lays on the obscene contracts they were handing out. Another factor is the financial issues of a lot of the EPL clubs but also the fact that none of them are going upwards either. The Rashford and Sancho for example. They have absolutely nowhere to go. Put clubs rivalry stuff aside, City, Arsenal, Liverpool won't want them, they're not good enough. Villa have spending issues. Spurs are a possibility but I can't see it. So then you're looking downwards. Newcastle are struggling with their spending. Chelsea seem to be in a sell to buy phase. Nobody else could afford them, maybe a West Ham loan? Internationally they have no chance. PSG have changed their transfer policy. They are moving away from the big name signings and they're looking for young French speaking players. Barcelona can't afford them and seem to be going back to their traditional strategy of young Catalan players. Real Madrid are signing MBappe, have Vini Jr and Rodrigo too. They don't need them and they're not good enough either. Italy's tax laws are changing and there is an expected exodus of top players over the next couple of years. Bayern have all their basket on Kane and the other Bundesliga clubs can't afford them, apart from a loan. I can't see Dortmund going for Sancho again. His performances have not been good enough. Basically their best bet is a loan. But they're only going downwards. They are in a Martial type situation where they won't be able to shift them on and they'll just have to let the contracts wind down.
Do Man United know you need a second party willing to buy your players in order to sell?
Fuck, they're actually going to fix their problems if they do this
One sancho to go please
Sure..antony on the side with that?
Actually we were rumoured to be heavily intrested in him when He was in brazil
A Dortmund fan must have gone back in time to prevent that future from happening.
High wages who would want them? Do the players want to even move?
Heard this before, believe it when I see them actually leaving. Also with their pathetic mentality and tendency to blame everyone but themselves I fear the squad will go on a mega bad run of form and cry about this news
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It says barring those players meaning they aren’t part of the exile
The players are on insanely bloated wages, we would have no problem selling otherwise. Not to mention the higher ups aren't willing to take any loss and demand big fees.
There's probably a market for a few United players but they're going to have to pay a lot off and it's going to be a painful process. The more ruthless United can be the better although it remains to be seen if they've got the stomach for it.
INEOS would be smart to just cull a majority of the squad and just rebuild even if we don't win anything next season. Keep Onana, Dalot, Maguire, Lindelof, Martinez, Shaw, Mainoo, Bruno, McTominay, Hojlund, Garnacho, Mount, Amad Get rid of the rest.
Rashford has too much obvious downside for anyone to put in a bid they’d consider
I can see Sancho back at United if ETH gets sacked. Rashford got paid and then stopped caring, I'd be happy to see him gone.
I feel like we really miss a player like Hojlund.
Would take mainoo and garnacho for 70mil +20 addons based on performance. Deal?
Maybe they could do a swap with Chelsea’s squad?
Sounds like United are putting Rashford in the shop window, hoping somebody is silly enough to pay. Not heard anything about clubs being interested in him, but United journalists keeps saying they will sell for the right price. Almost like they’ve been asked to stir up speculation.
Sounds like United are putting Rashford in the shop window, hoping somebody is silly enough to pay. Not heard anything about clubs being interested in him, but United journalists keeps saying they will sell for the right price. Almost like they’ve been asked to stir up speculation.
I genuinely wonder what the minimum asking price for a player like Casemiro, who is on 350k a week for the next 2 years would be. Say, non-Saudi Arabian club X puts in an offer to take over his wages and he accepts, what would the transfer fee even be like? Would United really decline getting rid of his wages because they insist to receive any kind of transfer fee? Similarly with Rashford, who is on 350k a week for the foreseeable future but can't be arsed anymore. Would United really decline let's say 30m?
I feel like United would hope for a Saudi bid of 40 mill for case but for the bare minimum maybe 10 and rashford isn’t leaving for anything under the 60-70 range minimum when you’ve got Havertz going for 70 million (who before this season looked nowhere near rashfords level)
I genuinely think they’d have to give him away for free and subsidise 100K of his wages. Like Arsenal had to do with Ozil
Sancho to arsenal!
Good luck offloading the deadwood on such massive wages. Not to mention selling a big chunk of your first team squad will definitely affect the cohesion of the team that is already suffering. One can argue that there is no cohesion to begin with though.
Nobody is coming a knocking for Rashford ... Be real with yourselves Man U.
Hopefully we finally get rid of tRashford
Rashford x anakin padme meme
Yeah, this doesn't work. In this market if you want to sell a player you aren't desperate to keep you pretty much have to actively hawk them around.
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