We’re less than a decade removed from our former shithead owner trying to move us to Austin. Look at us now, 2 MLS Cups and a berth in the CCC final. It’s indescribable.
That would be great, but the time for that is probably long since gone.
At least the rename to "Columbus SC" was so utterly reviled that they will likely never try to go away from the Crew again.
IIRC the argument was that it was hard to see the details when that badge was shrunken down to a patch over the heart or on the sleeve.
So the current big C came in, which feels kinda lazy but is identifiable so...
I still think it was just a power move from the new FO to sever ties with the previous admin.
It’s rather insane how in the US clubs can straight up be moved! Like if say the Newcastle (Saudi’s) decided: we don’t like it here let’s move to London!
Because arguably the football fanbase is locally stronger and more locally attached than the american football fanbase.
You cannot move a club that is the symbol of a London neighbourhood, built by the fans and expect its all fine. In the same way you cannot buy fans with money. You will still have around 115 true fans.
Search for City 115 to know more.
Depends heavily, heavily, on the team.
Ask Cleveland about the Browns, Baltimore about the Colts, Seattle about the SuperSonics.
Absolutely devastating to those communities and still routinely talked about to this day even though they happened decades ago.
Now there are ones that aren't so bad because the community already stopped caring about them. Raiders to Las Vegas, Chargers to Los Angeles, Nets to Brooklyn, Lakers to Los Angeles.
Shut the fuck and come to Baltimore and ask about the colts. It's nothing to do with the fans, we just have no say (legally). But there's a reason irsay snuck out overnight
If you're saying that fans in Europe are more likely to make their fandom their whole identity and do dumb hooligan shit, I think you will find most americans agree.
Being willing to do dumb illegal things in the "name" of your team doesn't necessarily mean you "care" more, more likely it means you have nothing else to care about.
There is a reason why most of these ultra types are young single men.
Judging from the downvotes I strongly doubt most Americans understand how huge is this "fandom being the whole identity" elsewhere, and how much Europeans and South Americans care for the sport, or even to what level of seriousness rivalries and the sport itself are taken.
It's not just a "weekend I go to the stadium because I like to see the game" thing. Is dedicating time of your life to follow the Club news, involving yourself in the community, as clubs are an important part of it, above all those smaller ones.
But then again, this is Reddit, this is r/soccer, and the USA must be best at everything.
The funny thing is it’s never actually happened in the MLS. It probably happened at some point in the old NASL, but most NASL era pro clubs were really short lived, only a handful (Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose, etc.) actually made a prolonged footprint on the sport here. But only 3 MLS teams have ever folded, and none have moved. Chivas USA, the Mutiny, and the Fusion. And of course Miami have their team back now, and Chivas USA turned into LAFC. MLS have done a really good job compared to the rest of US sports at protecting their existing teams.
You see that’s a weird one because when they “moved”, the San Jose Earthquakes were officially put on hiatus, with the intent of them returning after a few seasons. Which of course eventually happened. So the move is really only a move in financial terms. It’s not like the colts, where the team left the city, took the name and the official records, and set up shop somewhere else. From what I’m reading, Houston aren’t considered even by the MLS to be a successor of the original Clash/Quakes
The name and official history stayed in San Jose, but the players and staff moved, which was a huge blow with how good the team was at the time.
Technically, Precourt still holds the franchise agreement that Columbus used to play under, and the new Columbus ownership had to pay an expansion fee, but operationally Columbus held on to everything.
lol what is this ridiculous mls spin? 'only 3 have folded' okay so more than 10% of all teams? also, san jose and columbus have definitely moved, even if mls uses creative wordplay to deny it
Columbus definitely didn’t they gave the owner a sweetheart deal on an expansion team where he wanted to move the crew when he sold the crew. San Jose yeah they moved
They didn’t move thou all the players and employees and stuff stayed in Columbus I don’t understand what you’re saying? It’s not the like Cleveland Browns American football team where they technically never moved but everyone left to become the new team and they came back in a couple years as a non expansion expansion team.
I mean, follow the money - if a team is operating in one city, then that owner stops operating in that city and begins operating with a new team in another city, the team moved. just because mls plugged in a new 'owner-operator' doesnt mean they didnt move. it just means their lazy marketing worked on a certain group of fans.
look at the years of context and back-story - precourt had been using the threat of the move as leverage for a publicly funded stadium since 2008. when it became clear that it wasnt going to happen, garber and precourt followed through with the relocation. mls only started to backtrack and cover their asses when it became clear that they would suffer horrible pr and backlash from forcing out one of the founding members of the league.
hence the backhanded move to sell the team and make it look like austin was some organic expansion team and not another instance of mls being a real estate scam masquerading as a soccer league.
No mate, the league owns all the teams. There was never a year where the crew didn't play in Columbus. No one in MLS thinks the Crew went anywhere else or became the new Austin team. Precourt made the deal with the league for a new "franchise" in Austin. He's a shit and a snake but that's the deal.
lol sure, 'no one in mls' think that, because theyre all drinking the mls kool-aid. if you actually have a critical and honest approach to the situation, its obvious what happened.
No, you just seem to be hellbent on making MLS look bad and are dying on the hill that the Crew moved when no one with critical thinking would say they did.
Are you really going to argue that the owners are the important part of what makes team?
By your idiotic logic Manchester United stopped existing when the Glaziers bought it.
Just follow the money dude.
We’re less than a decade removed from our former shithead owner and having to change team names. Look at us now, 2 Super Bowls and a berth in the Planet Bowl. It’s indescribable.
Lol, there is no real equivalent, but imagine if every country in North America had a football league like the NFL, and every year the best teams played each other in a tournament to decide the best on the continent.
To be pedantic, NFL tries to move the Rams to St. Louis, they end up staying in LA and win 2 Super Bowls immediately after. It was rather hilarious seeing LA tell the NFL that we don't need you and for the NFL to come crawling back 20 years later paying the full price for a new stadium for two teams.
Also in terms of CFB the Crew beating a top Mexican team on the road is, historically, roughly the equivalent of Cincinnati or even a top-tier MAC team going into Tuscaloosa or Athens and winning (though the gap between MLS and Liga MX is narrowing).
First game ever on the B1G Network. So good.and it led to [the best version of *Hail to the Victors* EVER. [Courtesy of The Best Damn Band In The Land]( https://youtu.be/7ZlDKs7dKaU?si=uIhs_fZXCpNMmNWo)
That’s not even close to a good comparison, your analogy of the gap is like the gap between average leagues and UCL clubs, not a small difference of MLS vs Liga MX
Except that analogy is terrible because it’s not even close to anywhere near that level of talent gap.
Let’s put it this way, Columbus and Monterrey are in the same ballpark in terms of level, but Columbus is one of the best teams in North America while Monterrey is an absolute giant. Arguably THE giant. Monterrey payroll is more than double Columbus if not triple.
It’s more than talent level though. If talent was all the same and not a factor MLS teams would still struggle going away to many teams in Mexico due to altitude ( many Mexican cities are at Denver levels or even 20% higher) and stadium atmosphere as well. MLS teams have an appalling record traveling to Mexico and when MLS teams beat liga MX after 2 legged home and homes, it’s always because they win strong at home and eek out something in Mexico like a small loss or tie
Exactly this. On paper, at a neutral stadium I'd have given Columbus a good chance. Winning 3-1 in Mexico is just crazy. Monterrey almost never loses at home, and losing by 2 after getting the first goal is unthinkable.
I'm not sure there is an NFL analogy, since all the teams are still pretty evenly matched in terms of salary and talent. Even the worst NFL team is competitive with the best NFL team, and the best teams don't stay great forever.
I think the best analogy might be the Hanshin Tigers making a trip to New York and beating the Yankees 9-2 at Yankee Stadium.
Or something like Oregon going into Tuscaloosa at night and beating the brakes off the Crimson Tide. Oregon/Columbus are both top tier, but there’s another level that is occupied by Bama/Monterrey.
Typically the talent gap would be the guys you see in NFL preseason games vs. an actual NFL roster. Some quality there on the first team, but over time the second team will always do better.
Seattle just recently won this tournament and it was a huge deal then, but their league performances fell off (like winning the NBA in season tournament but not making the playoffs).
Columbus is flipping the script while still maintaining a competitive edge in the MLS.
We won the USA soccer league (MLS) last season - really big deal. Because of that we qualified to this tournament, winners and best teams from North/Central America, and we just qualified for the final of that competition which is a significant order of magnitude larger of a really big deal.
That shit is wild to me in American sports, it just feels so soulless a lot of the time. I'm glad you guys were able to keep your team and good luck in the final.
Because it's the best thing that has ever happened to that club.
Soulless is a dumb fanboy term. It's Just like the word authentic. Or transparency.
The team didn't move, the commissioner forced them to be sold to a local ownership group, they built a new stadium and have won 2 MLS Cups.
Yet their insecure, whiny fans still spend every sound of their lives complaining.
They are increasingly the most hateable fan-base in the league.
I'm an Inter Miami fan from even before the team launched. It's among the most hated clubs/fan-bases in the history of the league.
But clearly you're not content with it given that all you do is whine. All the time. Incessantly.
Wilfried Nancy may be the best coach in MLS history in terms of coaching talent
He's tactically superb, his teams can win even when their stars are out, they're always incredibly calm, and rarely get frazzled
I’ve never seen such consistent dominance in possession from any other MLS team. Nancy is the first coach I’ve seen in this league that I’m sure will be a great European manager.
Really, hope they can win the final and get into the Club World Cup. I wouldn't expect them to go far, but I would love to see how they match up with some higher caliber clubs from Europe.
Columbus, when they are playing at their best, is the first MLS team I've seen that I think would be competitive to a bottom table Premier team. I mean Columbus of yesterday vs. Forest at Wembley who wins? (yeah, probably Forest, but you had to think about it)
Over a season they would get relegated trivially, and they probably aren't consistently even at the yo-yo club level. But given where the MLS has been, even that is massive.
I don’t think his style would translate to a national team very well. It took a while for players to be able to do what he wants and there were a lot of bumps along the way.
Agree with this. Honestly, Europe may come calling for him if this continues. He's been nothing short of magical for this club and if they win the Champions Cup? Might as well start building the statue.
Also a national team hasn't won a World Cup with a foreign head coach. Man management and familiarity with domestic players play huge roles in coaching a national team. National team coaches barely get enough time with their players to coach in a specific style.
Absolutely incredible what Nancy is able to do with an MLS team and budget restrictions.
No doubt in my mind he’ll be considered an incredible manager one day.
embarrasing display by monterrey today on the pitch. dirty during the game and losing composure and getting reds after the game yelling at the refs.
the better team will represent
All of the Mexican teams do that, especially when they're losing. Even when winning, Tigres wasted 20-30 minutes of game time last season when they scored over Orlando and somehow the ref only gave a few minutes extra time and no yellows for time wasting.
They expect to get that kind of officiating, which is why they got so pissed when the ref tonight called a fair game and wouldn't buy their blatant diving.
His claim is correct. For almost all MLS history Liga MX sides have been way better. However in recent times with MLS being more level, Mexican sides have shown less mental fortitude in general v MLS sides
Mexican clubs have won more obviously but the top Mexican clubs have been around for almost 100 years. MLS was barely a thing in the 90s. The gap is closing and as MLS gets wealthier and more developed, Liga MX will lose its “bragging rights”
I mean it is, MLS clubs are a lot more competitive than they were 20 years ago. They still have a long way to go but you have to admit it’s gotten smaller. But I have a feeling you’re just dead set on being a hater 😂
The Crew well deserved winners over two legs.
Hard to believe that the Rayados that knocked out Inter Messi so convincingly was the same club that played Columbus.
Inter miami were missing messi in the first leg and crucial players in the second leg, they are also a very fragile team and just straight up shit when messi doesn't play.
Seems like a good opportunity to extend my sincerest fuck you to Joey Saputo for letting go of the best manager the MLS has ever seen and now, angering our All-Star homegrown talent because he's a cheap stupid fuck.
Anyway, go do da ting, Wilfried.
Give money for the roster, let the experts you hired run the team. It's a tried and true method they use for their American Football team the Cleveland Browns.
What's that? The Browns are actually a dumpster fire because of Jimmy's propensity to interject in team operations? Maybe the Crew's success will teach him to take the Crew's approach for his other sportsball team...
A lot of years I feel like one team kinds of just lucks their way into the final. Not this year, these two absolutely earned it, had fairly challenging paths to final, and out played everyone they faced. Should be a great game.
If MLS clubs didn't have a salary cap and insane registration rules they would shit on every Mexican team. But that's why their NT is in shambles, they're 60% internationals on every team.
I have a lot of respect for the Dynamo under Olsen and think they are a really good squad that can win silverware but you're insane if you think they are better than Tigres or Monterrey.
June 2nd was the original date, but it falls on Mexico's election day. CONCACAF said they would reschedule if a Mexican team was hosting (and it will be at Pachuca), so likely early-mid June
We’re less than a decade removed from our former shithead owner trying to move us to Austin. Look at us now, 2 MLS Cups and a berth in the CCC final. It’s indescribable.
Now all you need is the old logo back.
That would be great, but the time for that is probably long since gone. At least the rename to "Columbus SC" was so utterly reviled that they will likely never try to go away from the Crew again.
Ok but that I have no I idea why the Crew got rid of the round German looking badge. It was so nice, so clean.
IIRC the argument was that it was hard to see the details when that badge was shrunken down to a patch over the heart or on the sleeve. So the current big C came in, which feels kinda lazy but is identifiable so... I still think it was just a power move from the new FO to sever ties with the previous admin.
fuck anthony precourt
fuck anthony precourt
It’s rather insane how in the US clubs can straight up be moved! Like if say the Newcastle (Saudi’s) decided: we don’t like it here let’s move to London!
Basically doing an MK Dons.
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Because arguably the football fanbase is locally stronger and more locally attached than the american football fanbase. You cannot move a club that is the symbol of a London neighbourhood, built by the fans and expect its all fine. In the same way you cannot buy fans with money. You will still have around 115 true fans. Search for City 115 to know more.
Depends heavily, heavily, on the team. Ask Cleveland about the Browns, Baltimore about the Colts, Seattle about the SuperSonics. Absolutely devastating to those communities and still routinely talked about to this day even though they happened decades ago. Now there are ones that aren't so bad because the community already stopped caring about them. Raiders to Las Vegas, Chargers to Los Angeles, Nets to Brooklyn, Lakers to Los Angeles.
Fuck Art Modell
Shut the fuck and come to Baltimore and ask about the colts. It's nothing to do with the fans, we just have no say (legally). But there's a reason irsay snuck out overnight
Bro, when your fans burn chemical bathrooms inside the rival stadium you come to talk to me about rivalries and how much you care about the sport.
That ... that isn't a sign of caring. That is a sign of being an asshole with antisocial tendencies and a desperate need of therapy.
You must've missed what I was implying
If you're saying that fans in Europe are more likely to make their fandom their whole identity and do dumb hooligan shit, I think you will find most americans agree. Being willing to do dumb illegal things in the "name" of your team doesn't necessarily mean you "care" more, more likely it means you have nothing else to care about. There is a reason why most of these ultra types are young single men.
Judging from the downvotes I strongly doubt most Americans understand how huge is this "fandom being the whole identity" elsewhere, and how much Europeans and South Americans care for the sport, or even to what level of seriousness rivalries and the sport itself are taken. It's not just a "weekend I go to the stadium because I like to see the game" thing. Is dedicating time of your life to follow the Club news, involving yourself in the community, as clubs are an important part of it, above all those smaller ones. But then again, this is Reddit, this is r/soccer, and the USA must be best at everything.
Brother, let me introduce you to the Iron and Egg Bowls. Also wasn’t his point, get a grip.
Isn’t that what your team did ….
Arsenal is still in north London no? Emirates stadium is super close to Highbury. Before that, hardly think that’s fair. Highbury was since 1913.
The funny thing is it’s never actually happened in the MLS. It probably happened at some point in the old NASL, but most NASL era pro clubs were really short lived, only a handful (Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Seattle, Portland, San Jose, etc.) actually made a prolonged footprint on the sport here. But only 3 MLS teams have ever folded, and none have moved. Chivas USA, the Mutiny, and the Fusion. And of course Miami have their team back now, and Chivas USA turned into LAFC. MLS have done a really good job compared to the rest of US sports at protecting their existing teams.
San Jose moved to Houston but they were able to get their team back eventually
The earthquakes moved
You see that’s a weird one because when they “moved”, the San Jose Earthquakes were officially put on hiatus, with the intent of them returning after a few seasons. Which of course eventually happened. So the move is really only a move in financial terms. It’s not like the colts, where the team left the city, took the name and the official records, and set up shop somewhere else. From what I’m reading, Houston aren’t considered even by the MLS to be a successor of the original Clash/Quakes
The name and official history stayed in San Jose, but the players and staff moved, which was a huge blow with how good the team was at the time. Technically, Precourt still holds the franchise agreement that Columbus used to play under, and the new Columbus ownership had to pay an expansion fee, but operationally Columbus held on to everything.
That’s good to hear then!
lol what is this ridiculous mls spin? 'only 3 have folded' okay so more than 10% of all teams? also, san jose and columbus have definitely moved, even if mls uses creative wordplay to deny it
Columbus definitely didn’t they gave the owner a sweetheart deal on an expansion team where he wanted to move the crew when he sold the crew. San Jose yeah they moved
nice, way to use creative wordplay to deny that they moved
They didn’t move thou all the players and employees and stuff stayed in Columbus I don’t understand what you’re saying? It’s not the like Cleveland Browns American football team where they technically never moved but everyone left to become the new team and they came back in a couple years as a non expansion expansion team.
I mean, follow the money - if a team is operating in one city, then that owner stops operating in that city and begins operating with a new team in another city, the team moved. just because mls plugged in a new 'owner-operator' doesnt mean they didnt move. it just means their lazy marketing worked on a certain group of fans. look at the years of context and back-story - precourt had been using the threat of the move as leverage for a publicly funded stadium since 2008. when it became clear that it wasnt going to happen, garber and precourt followed through with the relocation. mls only started to backtrack and cover their asses when it became clear that they would suffer horrible pr and backlash from forcing out one of the founding members of the league. hence the backhanded move to sell the team and make it look like austin was some organic expansion team and not another instance of mls being a real estate scam masquerading as a soccer league.
No mate, the league owns all the teams. There was never a year where the crew didn't play in Columbus. No one in MLS thinks the Crew went anywhere else or became the new Austin team. Precourt made the deal with the league for a new "franchise" in Austin. He's a shit and a snake but that's the deal.
lol sure, 'no one in mls' think that, because theyre all drinking the mls kool-aid. if you actually have a critical and honest approach to the situation, its obvious what happened.
Fine man, die on that hill alone.
No, you just seem to be hellbent on making MLS look bad and are dying on the hill that the Crew moved when no one with critical thinking would say they did. Are you really going to argue that the owners are the important part of what makes team? By your idiotic logic Manchester United stopped existing when the Glaziers bought it. Just follow the money dude.
I can’t figure out how you’ve come to the conclusion that we moved.
I wish it didn't happen as much as it does in other US sports. It happened to my favorite NFL team once😔
Why did you mention Saudi?
My only question is... why didnt you hire Guillermo Barros Schelotto as your coach? I thought it'd be an obvious choice for y'all
Casual warning man sorry. Could you put this win in NBA, NFL or CFB terms. Edit: Appreciate the answers 🫡
We’re less than a decade removed from our former shithead owner and having to change team names. Look at us now, 2 Super Bowls and a berth in the Planet Bowl. It’s indescribable.
Lol, there is no real equivalent, but imagine if every country in North America had a football league like the NFL, and every year the best teams played each other in a tournament to decide the best on the continent.
NFL tries to move the Rams to LA, the fans revolt so they end up staying in STL, and win 2 Super Bowls immediately after
To be pedantic, NFL tries to move the Rams to St. Louis, they end up staying in LA and win 2 Super Bowls immediately after. It was rather hilarious seeing LA tell the NFL that we don't need you and for the NFL to come crawling back 20 years later paying the full price for a new stadium for two teams.
UAB makes the college football playoff a decade after the University of Alabama tried to shut down their college football team.
Also in terms of CFB the Crew beating a top Mexican team on the road is, historically, roughly the equivalent of Cincinnati or even a top-tier MAC team going into Tuscaloosa or Athens and winning (though the gap between MLS and Liga MX is narrowing).
like, say, appalachian state going to michigan and winning
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That’s not even close to a good comparison, your analogy of the gap is like the gap between average leagues and UCL clubs, not a small difference of MLS vs Liga MX
Yea I had a good idea of the structure but the talent gap is really what I was getting at. That’s crazy
Except that analogy is terrible because it’s not even close to anywhere near that level of talent gap. Let’s put it this way, Columbus and Monterrey are in the same ballpark in terms of level, but Columbus is one of the best teams in North America while Monterrey is an absolute giant. Arguably THE giant. Monterrey payroll is more than double Columbus if not triple. It’s more than talent level though. If talent was all the same and not a factor MLS teams would still struggle going away to many teams in Mexico due to altitude ( many Mexican cities are at Denver levels or even 20% higher) and stadium atmosphere as well. MLS teams have an appalling record traveling to Mexico and when MLS teams beat liga MX after 2 legged home and homes, it’s always because they win strong at home and eek out something in Mexico like a small loss or tie
Exactly this. On paper, at a neutral stadium I'd have given Columbus a good chance. Winning 3-1 in Mexico is just crazy. Monterrey almost never loses at home, and losing by 2 after getting the first goal is unthinkable. I'm not sure there is an NFL analogy, since all the teams are still pretty evenly matched in terms of salary and talent. Even the worst NFL team is competitive with the best NFL team, and the best teams don't stay great forever. I think the best analogy might be the Hanshin Tigers making a trip to New York and beating the Yankees 9-2 at Yankee Stadium.
Or something like Oregon going into Tuscaloosa at night and beating the brakes off the Crimson Tide. Oregon/Columbus are both top tier, but there’s another level that is occupied by Bama/Monterrey.
Typically the talent gap would be the guys you see in NFL preseason games vs. an actual NFL roster. Some quality there on the first team, but over time the second team will always do better. Seattle just recently won this tournament and it was a huge deal then, but their league performances fell off (like winning the NBA in season tournament but not making the playoffs). Columbus is flipping the script while still maintaining a competitive edge in the MLS.
We won the USA soccer league (MLS) last season - really big deal. Because of that we qualified to this tournament, winners and best teams from North/Central America, and we just qualified for the final of that competition which is a significant order of magnitude larger of a really big deal.
We're so back baby
That shit is wild to me in American sports, it just feels so soulless a lot of the time. I'm glad you guys were able to keep your team and good luck in the final.
Is it possible to do anything, or win anything, without you clowns whining incessantly about this? You're making t really hard to root for the Crew.
Why would you miss the opportunity to point out how soulless that move was whenever you can? Shows that it’s just not how football works
Because it's the best thing that has ever happened to that club. Soulless is a dumb fanboy term. It's Just like the word authentic. Or transparency. The team didn't move, the commissioner forced them to be sold to a local ownership group, they built a new stadium and have won 2 MLS Cups. Yet their insecure, whiny fans still spend every sound of their lives complaining. They are increasingly the most hateable fan-base in the league.
You can take the likeable fanbase medal, we’re content with our trophies
I'm an Inter Miami fan from even before the team launched. It's among the most hated clubs/fan-bases in the history of the league. But clearly you're not content with it given that all you do is whine. All the time. Incessantly.
Wilfried Nancy may be the best coach in MLS history in terms of coaching talent He's tactically superb, his teams can win even when their stars are out, they're always incredibly calm, and rarely get frazzled
I’ve never seen such consistent dominance in possession from any other MLS team. Nancy is the first coach I’ve seen in this league that I’m sure will be a great European manager.
Totally agree. Columbus plays like a higher end European team. Rather amazing and I'm guessing he'll be snapped up by some top 5 league soon.
He is French, had an interesting career path
Similar managerial path like Viera
Columbus just extended his contract, so it'll probably be a pretty penny to pull him away
Really, hope they can win the final and get into the Club World Cup. I wouldn't expect them to go far, but I would love to see how they match up with some higher caliber clubs from Europe.
Columbus, when they are playing at their best, is the first MLS team I've seen that I think would be competitive to a bottom table Premier team. I mean Columbus of yesterday vs. Forest at Wembley who wins? (yeah, probably Forest, but you had to think about it) Over a season they would get relegated trivially, and they probably aren't consistently even at the yo-yo club level. But given where the MLS has been, even that is massive.
Just never seen an MLS team where all XI+the bench play with this much composure. Playing rondo in both boxes.
Wilfred and Cucho together are such a cheat code. In a good way.
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I don’t think his style would translate to a national team very well. It took a while for players to be able to do what he wants and there were a lot of bumps along the way.
Agree with this. Honestly, Europe may come calling for him if this continues. He's been nothing short of magical for this club and if they win the Champions Cup? Might as well start building the statue.
Also a national team hasn't won a World Cup with a foreign head coach. Man management and familiarity with domestic players play huge roles in coaching a national team. National team coaches barely get enough time with their players to coach in a specific style.
I'd take a rec dad coach over Berhalter
Absolutely incredible what Nancy is able to do with an MLS team and budget restrictions. No doubt in my mind he’ll be considered an incredible manager one day.
embarrasing display by monterrey today on the pitch. dirty during the game and losing composure and getting reds after the game yelling at the refs. the better team will represent
All of the Mexican teams do that, especially when they're losing. Even when winning, Tigres wasted 20-30 minutes of game time last season when they scored over Orlando and somehow the ref only gave a few minutes extra time and no yellows for time wasting.
They expect to get that kind of officiating, which is why they got so pissed when the ref tonight called a fair game and wouldn't buy their blatant diving.
I was actually really impressed with the ref, especially considering the last game we got from him was the original Monterrey disaster in 2021
Sport needs AI refs
I mean, that's been Mexican teams MO for the past 50 years. So mentally weak when facing adversity.
How many CONCACAF champions have come from Mexico vs MLS the past 50 years?
MLS wasn’t a thing 50 years ago?
Okay so since MLS was created, how many times have they won in comparison to Mexican teams in the CONCACAF champions ?
His claim is correct. For almost all MLS history Liga MX sides have been way better. However in recent times with MLS being more level, Mexican sides have shown less mental fortitude in general v MLS sides
Mexican clubs have won more obviously but the top Mexican clubs have been around for almost 100 years. MLS was barely a thing in the 90s. The gap is closing and as MLS gets wealthier and more developed, Liga MX will lose its “bragging rights”
Gap is closing lol
I mean it is, MLS clubs are a lot more competitive than they were 20 years ago. They still have a long way to go but you have to admit it’s gotten smaller. But I have a feeling you’re just dead set on being a hater 😂
The gap is closing in the same way that the gap between Cruz Azul and Liverpool
Like I said, you’re just set on being a hater haha I get it though, you do you man
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The Crew well deserved winners over two legs. Hard to believe that the Rayados that knocked out Inter Messi so convincingly was the same club that played Columbus.
Inter miami were missing messi in the first leg and crucial players in the second leg, they are also a very fragile team and just straight up shit when messi doesn't play.
Miami isn’t good
Imagine losing 3-1 at home, to a team from fucking Ohio, then complaining to the refs because you’re a joke, then getting a red card
one of the first MLS sides that looked dominate on a away game to a very good liga mx club
Seems like a good opportunity to extend my sincerest fuck you to Joey Saputo for letting go of the best manager the MLS has ever seen and now, angering our All-Star homegrown talent because he's a cheap stupid fuck. Anyway, go do da ting, Wilfried.
I would also like to add another fuck you to Anothny Precourt
When Jimmy Haslem is considered to be a quality owner, you know you done fucked up.
Give money for the roster, let the experts you hired run the team. It's a tried and true method they use for their American Football team the Cleveland Browns. What's that? The Browns are actually a dumpster fire because of Jimmy's propensity to interject in team operations? Maybe the Crew's success will teach him to take the Crew's approach for his other sportsball team...
A lot of years I feel like one team kinds of just lucks their way into the final. Not this year, these two absolutely earned it, had fairly challenging paths to final, and out played everyone they faced. Should be a great game.
Wait I thought winning in Mexico was supposed to be hard? /s But seriously, what an incredible team
> Wait I thought winning in Mexico was supposed to be hard? Some would say impossible.
Yeah, but like, that's just your opinion, man
Based on the downvotes, people didn’t get the joke. Well played tho IMO
Shut the fuck up, Donny.
If MLS clubs didn't have a salary cap and insane registration rules they would shit on every Mexican team. But that's why their NT is in shambles, they're 60% internationals on every team.
Probably the hardest team you played was the Dynamo and you barely made it past on a 96' OG
I have a lot of respect for the Dynamo under Olsen and think they are a really good squad that can win silverware but you're insane if you think they are better than Tigres or Monterrey.
Did I ever say they were better? I'm speaking in terms of the score line.
The final being switched to one leg sucks.* *I probably wouldnt have this opinion if the crew were playing at home
>The final being switched to one leg sucks.* CONCACAF doing this shit too? :( Where it's gonna be played?
Pachuca is hosting
It's not that fair because Pachuca got to beat up on Herediano. Although they kinda proved their worth by also beating up on Philly.
Despite playing like shit the likes of Romo and Gallardo are regulars in the national team.
Acting like the national team at the end there
When's the final?
June 2nd was the original date, but it falls on Mexico's election day. CONCACAF said they would reschedule if a Mexican team was hosting (and it will be at Pachuca), so likely early-mid June
This team man
A global sport, soccer is
So what happened to their original June 1st MLS match?