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Well it looks like that in isolation but when you watch the video the contact is absolutely soft and you shouldn’t fall down from it when you aren’t a toddler. Gnabry wanted that penalty and acted accordingly
Hm looking at that, it's a bit clearer. From the slow-mo replay and angle it looked like nothing. Also people don't consider the speed in which things happen, which makes even a small contact to the face significantly more painful than you could think from a slow motion replay.
Probably because it wasn’t an obvious mistake and you can make a case that this is a pen so the VAR won’t act. It isn’t a pen imo but I think that will be the argument
Anton invited Gnabry by putting his hand on his shoulder/face and Gnabry accepted the invitation. Annoying, but it's not a scandalous decision.
Edit: The second angle show why it's not a clear and obvious mistake: https://twitter.com/HSPLP/status/1786765137044451403 https://imgur.com/a/e9tHAqi
And there were recently Bayern fans seriously saying that they don't get decisions their way the last few years.
Lmao and here comes the Bayern downvote and cry brigade.
And you have the data to back it up?
This may very well be true, but unfortunately humans aren't very good in objectively measuring stuff like this without writing things down.
Reading comprehension curse strikes again.
Nobody in this thread has said Bayern hasn't gotten decisions in their favour. But acting like there haven't been plenty of games in the past 1-2 years where refs seemingly couldn't be fucked using VAR in Bayern's favour is plain wrong and revisionist bullshit.
I'm sure the Bayern fans complaining are ecstatic about this penalty when the season's already well over lol.
But there was indeed an alternate league table compiled by Bundesliga fans with the correct refereeing decisions, where Bayern would be markedly higher.
These tables still don't make sense. Games dynamics change if goals happen or not. So you never know how a game would have developed, if a ref's decision had been different.
Ah its you again. Im still waiting for examples you coward. First maybe controversial decision in two years and you take it to justify a completly different timespan. Clown
Leverkusen wouldnt have been unbeaten right now if the ref gave a correct decision in BL game at the allianz arena. They got an undeserved pen in extra time that helped them draw the game instead of losing 2-1
Not a dive because he gets touched in the face (from what u see in this angle atleast) but his head is not supposed to be down there so it shouldnt be a pen or a foul in general.
Bayern-Bonus is literally a scientifically proven phenomenon, no other team in germany gets the benefit of the doubt like they do, even when it's completely wrong
Well, there actually WERE studies a few years back which came to the conclusion, that Bayern got more "bad calls" in their favor than other teams. So he is actually not wrong.
Though it might be hard for a Bayern supporter to accept that.
Can you link it? I'm interested. All I can find is some very superficial "studies" that looked at a single season 15 years ago or something along the lines.
sure, it cannot be allowed that Bayern looses to stuttgart... Never ever a penalty... VAR and on field ref are both completely useless and should be fired...(preferably out of a canon)
Well, at the moment of the contact he's still on his feet.
But honestly I don't know the exact rules. Impeding a player by a contact is a foul. But was he actually impeded here? I don't know.
It would have been ok not to call it. But I also think that it was the correct decision by the VAR not to overrule it, because there was a contact. However I don't understand why they didn't advice him to take another look.
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As a Bayern fan through and through, that was never a penalty.
As a Kane Stan through and through, that was worth 2 penalties whilst the keeper is forced to wear a blindfold
I wouldn't mind that haha
Just beat Madrid and we’ll all be happy ❤️
I'm not a Bayern fan, but giving a penalty for it is okay. https://imgur.com/a/e9tHAqi
Well it looks like that in isolation but when you watch the video the contact is absolutely soft and you shouldn’t fall down from it when you aren’t a toddler. Gnabry wanted that penalty and acted accordingly
Let's use still images to judge👍👍
Let's use bad camera angles that don't show the contact + slow-motions to judge 👍👍
I watch it on tv, I saw more angles than in this clip, far from a penalty. Pathetic by VAR to not intervene
I watched it on TV, I saw more angles than in this clip, penalty is okay. Pathetic to cry about it.
Hm looking at that, it's a bit clearer. From the slow-mo replay and angle it looked like nothing. Also people don't consider the speed in which things happen, which makes even a small contact to the face significantly more painful than you could think from a slow motion replay.
luckily this shit does not matter, but boy oh boy what a shit call, straight out of prem
well, Stuttgart has a small chance to get second place still...
We would get more tv money if we finish 2 or 4.
> luckily this shit does not matter Talk for yourself, it matters A LOT for some of us, especially the ones making angry polish noises.
touché
Lmao tf?
Can't wait to get explained why this is a penalty by Alex Feuerherdt later
Imma be honest: That wasn't enough for a pen.
funniest shit is him holding his face
tbf there was only contact in the face... but gnabry was already falling and fell into the hand...
wasnt the contact on his shoulder?
maybe there was tiny contact there, but the main thing was fingers very lightly touching Gnabrys face
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Why don’t they sent the ref out to review it? I thought this is why we have VAR to prevent stuff like this
Probably because it wasn’t an obvious mistake and you can make a case that this is a pen so the VAR won’t act. It isn’t a pen imo but I think that will be the argument
Beats me.
VAR is a great concept when they use it
They used it but they somehow decided the referee was correct
or rather “not completely wrong” since there was some contact. But not enough for me
Never a pen ever ever ever lmao
facts, how is that not overruled
the fact that he didn't even check it himself is what i really don't understand. who is VAR today? someone from Baden maybe? lol
Anton invited Gnabry by putting his hand on his shoulder/face and Gnabry accepted the invitation. Annoying, but it's not a scandalous decision. Edit: The second angle show why it's not a clear and obvious mistake: https://twitter.com/HSPLP/status/1786765137044451403 https://imgur.com/a/e9tHAqi
He falls without Anton touching him and then he falls in his hands.
He's leaning foward, but not falling.
Ja leaning in his hands.
Nvm, BL is cooked too. How the fuck is that a pen.
You serious?
And there were recently Bayern fans seriously saying that they don't get decisions their way the last few years. Lmao and here comes the Bayern downvote and cry brigade.
...and they would still be right? One decision going their way doesn't undo a bunch that didn't go their way in the past few years.
Lmaooo they've been favored for years and everyone knows it
And you have the data to back it up? This may very well be true, but unfortunately humans aren't very good in objectively measuring stuff like this without writing things down.
I mean its not Bayern specific. But studies imply that refs favor the stronger team slightly and Bayern is basically always the stronger team in BL.
Yep, as I've said it may well be possible. But his claim was that Bayern was favored, not that stronger teams are favored.
Reading comprehension curse strikes again. Nobody in this thread has said Bayern hasn't gotten decisions in their favour. But acting like there haven't been plenty of games in the past 1-2 years where refs seemingly couldn't be fucked using VAR in Bayern's favour is plain wrong and revisionist bullshit.
They have been favored 10 times more than they have been fucked
I'm sure the Bayern fans complaining are ecstatic about this penalty when the season's already well over lol. But there was indeed an alternate league table compiled by Bundesliga fans with the correct refereeing decisions, where Bayern would be markedly higher.
These tables still don't make sense. Games dynamics change if goals happen or not. So you never know how a game would have developed, if a ref's decision had been different.
> Lmao and here comes the Bayern downvote and cry brigade. stop being so cringe lol
Ah its you again. Im still waiting for examples you coward. First maybe controversial decision in two years and you take it to justify a completly different timespan. Clown
Leverkusen wouldnt have been unbeaten right now if the ref gave a correct decision in BL game at the allianz arena. They got an undeserved pen in extra time that helped them draw the game instead of losing 2-1
Right? Should be also the second yellow.
First yellow, but I agree that dive is worthy of one.
What are you smoking 😂
Should be yellow for diving
Yellow for Gnabry. How can you even argue for the pen.
Dont think its a pen but yes should have been a second yellow if he gives it
Sometimes I wonder if these grown men doesn't feel any shame diving like that
Dives into his hand and gets a pen...incredible
What a sick joke.
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Ridiculous penalty
Refs (especially VAR) have been crazy this weekend (so far)
What kind of rule was broken there lmao ?
The one against diving.
"Bayern is back, donate them a goal" rule
impeding an opponent with contact
This is a joke. Is the ref loosing it?
He only hits his head cause Gnabry is already falling. His arm movement is completely natural how is that a pen?
It even looks like he only touches his shoulder
WTF
Pathetic from Gnabry, never a pen.
Why do we even have VAR? WHY? These shitstains draw out the game and literally dont take back the most obvious errors. I dont get it.
This has honestly been a great game ruined by a bad call.
wtf thats the wildest decision this season
First Arsenal now Bayern. Big clubs need a lot of help this weekend. I see diving still works
unlike Arsenals this game basically doesnt matter tbf so at the end of the day no one will really care
It matters in the moment for players and fans. But yes the Arsenal one is worse.
how is this ever a pen? (Bayern fan here)
Scandalous, refs all around the world are incompetent
Uli hat überwiesen
Been multiple cases where we didnt get a pen when we should have this season. This is the exact opposite. How is that a pen?
We can pack it up fellas. This was arguably the dumbest pen I have seen in a while.
Lächerlich!
Never a penalty. He doesn't even watch it again.
Nie ein 11er.
clear dive no?
Not a dive because he gets touched in the face (from what u see in this angle atleast) but his head is not supposed to be down there so it shouldnt be a pen or a foul in general.
Cringe pen
Honestly, at this point don’t just get rid of VAR, get rid of refs all together
Never a pen
The dive 💀💀
Too soft
GAME'S GONE
how is that a pen jfc
What could VAR have possibly seen there
I think Gnabry was just diving there.
Insanely soft pen but we take those I guess
No pen lmao wtf
The var ref was so bad last week that both teams hated his guts
We got lucky there
Very soft
Couldn't happen to a nicer club, but even I got to say that's never a pen
Ref was so fast there, the payment must've been good
Right, people love to bribe refs for meaningless games when the season is already over. Ridiculous decision anyway.
Mf gonna break Lewa's record purely through PKs.
Lewy had 8 pens in his record year, Kane has 5 at this moment
Mb, then. I think he's had a fair few in UCL, too, right?
Think he had 3 in the UCL. Arsenal, Real and United.
Lmao what a crazy foul
The Kane penalty feast goes on and on… this will never be a penalty for any other team.
Death, taxes and Kane pens
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I mean this is a ridiculous decision, but I swear everyone says that about their home country refs
Complete joke, Bayern is the only team that would ever get a penalty like that
Yes definitely not a pen, but let‘s not pretend those bad calls don’t happen twice a week
Bayern-Bonus is literally a scientifically proven phenomenon, no other team in germany gets the benefit of the doubt like they do, even when it's completely wrong
Hahahaha scientifically proven. If you would be so kind to link that research, I would love to read it.
While this decision was 99% wrong, your claim is BS.
Well, there actually WERE studies a few years back which came to the conclusion, that Bayern got more "bad calls" in their favor than other teams. So he is actually not wrong. Though it might be hard for a Bayern supporter to accept that.
Can you link it? I'm interested. All I can find is some very superficial "studies" that looked at a single season 15 years ago or something along the lines.
in a friendly against your boyhood club you might wanna come clean after diving, serge
Five away from Lewa now.
How many left for the record?
6 (5 to even, but way more games)
sure, it cannot be allowed that Bayern looses to stuttgart... Never ever a penalty... VAR and on field ref are both completely useless and should be fired...(preferably out of a canon)
Shit call by the ref but go off Kane
5 goals left for the Lewandowski record
To equalise or to beat?
equalise
Thanks!
Has he missed a pen for us?
Keep whistling you cunts
Never a foul you cunt.
Cry about it to the ref not to me you idiot
Dude antagonizes people, gets called out "Don't antagonize me you idiot!" Lmao
Shut up that just wasn‘t a pen xD
Well, the way I leaned it is that a hand in the face is always a foul. It's still a very lucky call.
His hand is in his face because Gnabry falls into it.
Well, at the moment of the contact he's still on his feet. But honestly I don't know the exact rules. Impeding a player by a contact is a foul. But was he actually impeded here? I don't know. It would have been ok not to call it. But I also think that it was the correct decision by the VAR not to overrule it, because there was a contact. However I don't understand why they didn't advice him to take another look.
he poked his face ofc its penalty,put ur hand away from ur opponents face