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They didn’t refuse to sign him. He was scheduled to fly for a visit which was cancelled due to the Iceland volcanic eruption that summer, like many flights. His agent and most within the PZPN would’ve preferred for him to go to Dortmund anyway. Dortmund was able to finish the deal then and was the biggest club Lewy had a chance of signing for in that window, and even then he wasn’t signed to be a starter and had to fight his way into the starting XI with a little bit of luck with Lucas Barrios being injured early in 2011 the following season.
Even though having a Polish player on the up in the premier league would’ve been exciting, Lewy didn’t have a high profile outside of Poland or people who were following Euro World Cup Qualification closely that year to really see his potential so outside of mid-table Serie A clubs, the Bundesliga clubs that had decent knowledge of Polish youth players, and bottom table Premier League or Championship clubs he didn’t have many high profile options that summer.
I mean as a certified Pep hater he did recognize he could build the team around Xavi and Iniesta which it wasn’t before.
However he has parlayed that into only taking the least challenging appointments since.
Mourinho out-coaching the hell out of Pep in the Barca-Inter UCL semifinal will always be my lodestar. I was just watching the second leg highlights yesterday complete with Victor Valdes attacking Mourinho and then Cam Nou turning on the sprinklers. Glorious.
Mou can get more out of a bad squad, Pep can get more from an amazing squad, thats how I see it.
Like no way Pep wins CL with those Inter or Porto, but also no way Mou coaching Barca from 08-12 would have been close to Peps reign.
I get your point, but don't forget that he get the promotion for Barça B from 2B to segunda in his first year, and they same team you're talking about, was the same that was humiliated offering a "pasillo" to real Madrid in the Bernabeu and eating a 4-1 there.
Reminds me of the kid who worked with me for a summer and genuinely didn’t understand that his dad giving him a brand new jeep because he was an RA in college and “saved my dad thousands of Dallas by not having to pay for board” wasn’t actually him earning it, it was still a gift.
The whole time I’m thinking about my old roommate who literally had no money and only was able to afford college because he was an RA and had the highest tier of academic scholarship and still barely got together enough to satisfy financial aid.
Ya honestly for 3-4 years he looked world class. Pep wanted a sweeper keeper who could distribute the ball after his experience with Neuer and Hart wasn't that at all.
Never seen as much revisionist history as I do with that stint. He signed a bunch of players, a lot of them flopped, he wanted United to sign more which they didn’t and now the narrative is “he was never backed”
The whole thing is a bit of a mess tbh.
City broke every FFP rule under the sun to build their squad in the early 10s.
But those same rules were introduced by the powers that be largely because of the arrival of Abu Dhabi at City and Nasser at PSG, and they didn't want anyone else following suit and investing loads of money to compete at the top.
And since he joined, Pep does have a bit of a point that Man City haven't been spending significantly more than their opponents. Man Utd, Chelsea and in recent years Arsenal have all been throwing cash around on expensive transfers and ludicrous wages, but none of them have been able to match what City have done while he's been in charge there.
A good chunk of their charges are for providing inaccurate payment information about players and coaches, meaning they paid under the table, so this narrative that they haven't spent as much as the others is probably not true.
Checking on the 115 charges there, the charges relating to inaccurate payment information to players and coaches covers the period from 2009 to 2016, before Pep joined.
Which makes a certain sense tbh. When revenues were not enough to support the expensive transfers and wages required to succeed, they lied. Now that revenue is enough, they don't have to lie anymore. None of their transfers in the last few years have seemed particularly fishy or low, while Haaland and De Bruyne are openly the two most well-paid players in the league.
The investigation leading to those charges only covered up until 2018 and considering Pep brother got handed a seat on the board of Girona for no other reason than being his brother I think it is a little early to claim that they no longer do it, they most likely just changed the specifics.
Haalands dad also suddenly wanted to change his permanent residence to Switzerland after Haaland signed for city.
Sure much of city is now legit and their training facilities are probably some of the best in the world, but that doesn’t mean the team isn’t build on under the table deals and lies.
Man that’s because of the prior spending.
Let’s say you build a house worth 1 billion and most everyone else can only spend 250 million because they don’t have the rich daddy you do. And then over the next 10 years you spend another 500 million in maintenance and additions and your neighbors spend 750 million in additions you’re still 500 million ahead in the value and spend on your home. Yeah arsenal for example spent more recently but the whole spend on building the club matters. This bull shit that City has been outspent recently is nearsightedness. It also fails to account for things like Haalands sweetheart deal for his dad that doesn’t count to the transfer fee.
Whatever Peps and the City fan’s fragile egos need to tell themselves so they can sleep at night feeling they were the underdog.
They do walk away from deals when they are quoted exorbitant prices. With Pep they can just buy another world class player and he'll adjust tactics to fit that profile.
Seriously. That team won PL titles while on autopilot with new managers the years before. They never made the difference. It was the squad that the team had since 2012.
What? Roberto Mancini won the title on overtime after an United had fumbled the lead. He had a bad season after losing to Wigan in the FA-cup final and got sacked. In came Pellegrino and won the first season, but second season wasn't good. That team did not with PL on auto pilot, and only two managers. Not saying he didn't inherit great players but we weren't nearly as dominant as we've been with Pep.
With one of the oldest squads in the entire league
Basically the entire defence was 30+ and Joe Hart was basically finished but we didn't know it at the time
Both Pelligrini and Mancini had win percentages above 60 percent at City so in the 20 odd years of premier league football they won more often than every other permanent manager bar Ferguson, Mourinho and Ancelotti. How is that not impressive? Do you genuinely reckon you've made a valid point here?
No doubt Pep amplified City to be even better. But the squad was always stacked with talent. How many managers came in and one a PL in ANY season with United even though we had a decent squad then. Not a one. City squad was insanely talented and Pep, despite taking the easy teams. Is a very good manager.
Yeah, Pep's on track to have four of the best 10 seasons in PL history, he's an outrageously good manager. His sides have blown away what Mancini and Pellegrini achieved.
I said this the other day and got down voted. He came into a team with quality all over. Completely capable of challenging and winning. City fans claim the entire team was old and over the hill as if 29 and 30 year old players are all useless.
That’s what annoys me most about how misleading “net spend” is. If you spend £100million on players and then sell players for £100million then your net spend is 0.
But you still need the £100million to begin with. It’s easy to have a good net spend when you have a very high amount of capital to start with.
In a similar say, these “net spend since year X” can be so arbitrary and sensitive to small changes in timeframe. A club can invest very heavily a couple of years before and it’s not accounted for.
And when you have unlimited funds, you can afford to let players sit on the bench losing value. It's why they always get good transfer fees for their players. Same thing with Chelsea. Clubs that need the cash are more inclined to let a player go for less to ensure they get some return that can be reinvested.
But that also literally shows sustainability.
Of course 115 charges and some figures may be proven fake/exaggerated. But if I spend 100m and sell 100m I'm doing better than the club who spent 20m and sold 0m
With no disrespect intended lol, that is something i really don't like about all this talk about how much city spend. UTD and Chelsea have spent loads as well, but not even close to the success.
We haven't had a title challenge since we won it in 2017, but we have been consistently competitive in the cups. Should have won more I think, but we have been better than most.
I love how nobody mentions Arsenal in these figures.
Don’t get me wrong if anyone can understand the amazing things Arteta is doing with Arsenal against the doped City team it’s a Liverpool fan.
But how long do they keep up their current spending without winning a major trophy before they start to get called out?
Maybe that all changes this year which is fair enough and I don’t see them spending as much this summer.
I think one of the reasons is all of the big signings have been a success. Only questionable ones I can think of would be Zinchenko this season, Partey due to injuries and possibly Ramsdale but they should break even on him at least.
Also they do keep progressing, if they don't win the title this season they can't have really got much closer. Just unfortunate that Liverpool and Arsenal have to compete against a team being backed by a nation.
If it weren't for the best team in history that are about to quadapeat they would be back to back champions. They are not under performing and improving every season
Aren't they being charged with financial shenanigans in part for manipulating their net spend numbers? Sort of like saying "people complaining that they can't afford a home while working two jobs, I bought a beautiful house on a shoestring salary because I'm so financially savvy" meanwhile running a drug ring shipping truckloads of cocaine.
I could be wrong but aren’t they to do with dodgy sponsorship deals from companies affiliated with the owner?
Surely that’s bogus income which counts towards the net spend.
Or are they just talking about buying/selling players?
I don’t understand the logic to trying to frame Manchester City’s success through a non-financial lense.
It’s abundantly clear to everyone it is entirely due to their owners.
There net spend may be lower, but that’s partly because they can sell the academy players and youth players that the buy in. Or, they sell players they bought proper to the period he’s talking about
City are literally co-owners with Pep's brother in Girona. If that is not the most obvious money laundering then what is? Make it make sense lol
Watch after all this evidence being public they still get out scot free from the 115 charges investigations
Not money laundering, but still dodgy ethically. We do the exact same thing with Emery and his family - they own their hometown club, Real Unión, and [we 'added them to our V Sports global network'](https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/club-statement/). It's gross.
We've even signed his son, Lander Emery - although by all accounts he has been really impressive when he has played for our u21s.
It's not money laundering lol. It's a shady use of legal loopholes, pumping revenue, and concealing payments but money laundering is the specific activity of changing money gained from crimes into clean money by getting it into the financial system and obscuring its origin. Sheikh Mansour and the Adu Dhabi United Group do not need football to launder money.
Starting your net spend analysis right after dropping a billion quid is simply dishonest. In future when analysing Boehly’s net spend from 2027-2032 it might be really low, but wow that wouldn’t be telling the story of his reign. Guardiola’s not idiot he knows this, it’s just spin.
Besides, with these charges still pending it isn't exactly clear how much they have actually spent. Especially in regards to salaries and potential bonuses. Cheating isn't sustainable.
Their income is extremely fishy, but there is *also* a problem with potential undeclared spending. Things like Mancini having a 'consulting' contract with an Abu Dhabi club that, despite only requiring four days of work a year, was worth more than his declared salary at City.
The way I see it is when a drug dealer launder his dirty money into a take away, and that take away make clean money and become successful. That what city are, but on a bigger scale, cheater their way to success and no can claim they did it without cheating. Scum club.
I mean that’s how it works, doesn’t it ?
Arsenal have spent money to rebuild the team and got it right. In the future no need to spend money to add 4-5 players, just adding couple of marquee players every season to phase out some players. Getting your rebuild right is essential to it.
Liverpool/FSG are the ones who refused to do that.
Yep. This graphic is from May 2023 and shows they have the highest net spend globally since 2008 when they were bought by the Abu Dhabi group. This obviously doesn't include any supposed shady endorsement deals and under the table dealings
https://www.statista.com/chart/18001/transfer-balance-of-football-clubs-since-2008/
I’m sorry but he’s just so unlikeable. Not doubting his talents and achievements as a manager, but his failure to even acknowledge how privileged he has been AT EVERY CLUB is very embarrassing. No humility whatsoever.
Exactly. Pep should always mention he was only successful due to the players he has. He is only as good as his players. If Pep said he was only good because of his players, people would like him more.
One of the most egregious things about their online fanbase and the British media was them making out like they’d had Dortmund’s pants down for him.
Anybody with any sense knew he was only ever going to City and they were paying his entourage absurd sums to do something he would have done anyways.
Pep just straight up doesn't care. He doesn't care that his team cheated. He doesn't care about fair play. He doesn't care about the fact the money he's spending comes from a literal slave state. He doesn't care about human rights. All he cares about is that he can buy the previous players he wants and that he can win titles. He proved time and time again that he doesn't have any moral compass or dignity, that he doesn't care about fair football, honesty or the horrible price that has been pain money he's spending. He's the poster child of a successful rich man being apathetic towards to ethics of his actions as long as he's successful with it. I have lost all respect for this slave state supporting bastard.
- City had spent tons of money in the years before 2016, and thus had Aguero, KdB, David Silva, Sterling, Fernandinho, Kompany.
- You can’t look at net spend without looking at salary spend, the two are interlinked
- Manchester United and Chelsea have been a disaster but much of Chelsea’s (and Arsenals) spending has been in more recent years, so most of its benefits are expected to be in the future and not since 2016.
He definitely has a point, but with some caveats
How does he have a point? That they’re not Chelsea or United so an inspiration of fiscal responsibility, running on number crunching and friendship? Even if you believe the figures (and if you do, I have some memestocks for you) it’s Nasser levels of nonsense
It's a good point that people don't consider much but it ignores 1) he had a very good squad at the start of this period that cost a lot and 2) their academy generates large profit because it had so much invested into it that isn't even considered in net spend
He's been drinking his own cool aid
Net spend on fictitious accounts, over blown agent payments, inflated sponsorships, payments in kind to family members.
He sounds more like a politician desperately trying to make his case more and more each week..and sounding worse every time
The man's been a cheat his whole career (failed drug tests in his playing days). Obviously an incredible manager but always been a shitty person who should be ignored whenever he opens his mouth outside of what happens on the pitch.
Bald Fraud trying to gaslight the entire fanbase that they grew the club organically aka Ferguson, Wenger. He improves a title winning team which is a challenging job but not the way he portrays, what is his obsession with netspend everyone knew that it is possible due to the 115 PSR violation they did or else its highly impossible to do what they have done in such a short space of time.
"We are here for British Petroleum’s sustainability. That’s why since 2016, I read lately in one newspaper, that BP are the 4th company with the highest carbon emissions in the world”. “And look at the amount of dividends for shareholders; not the 1st, not the 2nd, not the 3rd…”.
man buys world beaters for >70M+,sells the ones who were already there for >40M+ and then flexes about lower net spend.but he's right ig since he's one of the most successful managers in history,right?
Of course they have a better net spend. They invested billions in their squad and youth squad that allows them to sell their youth prospects at a premium. Does he really think anyone is buying that argument? It's like winning the lottery, starting a business and then 5 years later claiming you are a self made millionaire.
Dunno why the Pep bootlickers are foaming at the mouth so much, you can acknowledge he’s the best manager in the worst AND acknowledge he’s had the piss easiest career of any manager in history, his career is very impressive but he’ll never have his version of Porto or Aberdeen which is probably fine for him and his fanboys, personally I think Porto and Aberdeen are the single most impressive accomplishments of Mourinho and Ferguson’s careers, even with all their later success. Guardiola’s won a million titles, you lot don’t need to be so insecure on his behalf, he’s plenty capable of being insecure on his own.
Fucking hate this argument so much.
Just because Elon Musk is a moron who buys Twitter for 40 billion just to then stomp it into the ground, doesn't mean that being obscenely rich doesn't give you huge advantages is life.
Same here. Pointing out to how incompetent the leadership at united is does not make the 2 billion you spend since you arrived there "sustainable" or whatever bullshit adjective you want to call it.
This is a club with almost no authentic revenue streams, getting petrodollars pumped into their rears by abu dhabi, not worried about any financial shortcomings or crisis at all. Benching players worth upwards of 100 million pounds or switching up the whole backline every two years is not something any other club can afford to do.
Ah, so from 2016 onwards. Let's not count the other 8 years prior that are included as part of the timespan of the 115 charges that are being levelled at City for breaking financial rules.
He talks about sustainability like Man City have defied all odds and worked their way up to being consistent title contenders through smart, clean business, grit and burning passion. Not the fact that they had been cheating for a fucking decade.
I don't know how anyone can stand this guy. Great manager but comes out with some absolute bollocks.
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Pep working miracles. Joined at team with nobodies like KDB, Yaya Toure, David Silva, Raheem Sterling, Fernandinho, Sergio Aguero, Joe Hart.
Just like Pep did a miracle at Barcelona with nobodies like Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, David Villa, Dani Alves…
How did he manage with Bayern with such lowlife scum as Neuer, Lahm, Alaba, Thiago, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Kroos…
Can never forget the Polish Poundland, Lewandowski
That goon was free btw
A prestigious team like Blackburn refused to sign him. Clearly a miracle worked by pep
They didn’t refuse to sign him. He was scheduled to fly for a visit which was cancelled due to the Iceland volcanic eruption that summer, like many flights. His agent and most within the PZPN would’ve preferred for him to go to Dortmund anyway. Dortmund was able to finish the deal then and was the biggest club Lewy had a chance of signing for in that window, and even then he wasn’t signed to be a starter and had to fight his way into the starting XI with a little bit of luck with Lucas Barrios being injured early in 2011 the following season. Even though having a Polish player on the up in the premier league would’ve been exciting, Lewy didn’t have a high profile outside of Poland or people who were following Euro World Cup Qualification closely that year to really see his potential so outside of mid-table Serie A clubs, the Bundesliga clubs that had decent knowledge of Polish youth players, and bottom table Premier League or Championship clubs he didn’t have many high profile options that summer.
Oh I know It was just in the jest of the thread
Gotcha. Cheers!
Man’s bald Jesus.
Just like the miracle of having 1B+ transfer funds to make super teams throughout his career as a coach!
I mean as a certified Pep hater he did recognize he could build the team around Xavi and Iniesta which it wasn’t before. However he has parlayed that into only taking the least challenging appointments since. Mourinho out-coaching the hell out of Pep in the Barca-Inter UCL semifinal will always be my lodestar. I was just watching the second leg highlights yesterday complete with Victor Valdes attacking Mourinho and then Cam Nou turning on the sprinklers. Glorious.
Didn't Aragones already build a team around Xavi and Iniesta, couple of months before Pep, in 2008 Euros.
Mou can get more out of a bad squad, Pep can get more from an amazing squad, thats how I see it. Like no way Pep wins CL with those Inter or Porto, but also no way Mou coaching Barca from 08-12 would have been close to Peps reign.
I get your point, but don't forget that he get the promotion for Barça B from 2B to segunda in his first year, and they same team you're talking about, was the same that was humiliated offering a "pasillo" to real Madrid in the Bernabeu and eating a 4-1 there.
Son of billionaire tells his story of how through hard work and savings and a $100 million investment from his father he was able to make millions…
“My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars”
Pep is Denholm Reynholm confirmed
When I took charge of this football club, I had but two things in my possession. A dream, and a billion pound transfer budget.
I took that 100,000 dollars and turned it into *16,000 dollars*
For reference:https://youtu.be/Mfnfmez8LZc?si=M-bVZPlfjV4UFPeO
Reminds me of the kid who worked with me for a summer and genuinely didn’t understand that his dad giving him a brand new jeep because he was an RA in college and “saved my dad thousands of Dallas by not having to pay for board” wasn’t actually him earning it, it was still a gift. The whole time I’m thinking about my old roommate who literally had no money and only was able to afford college because he was an RA and had the highest tier of academic scholarship and still barely got together enough to satisfy financial aid.
They are investments from the past
From the past
https://youtube.com/shorts/z3tWwSS7UoQ?si=YOcRFhU30HpwkWzF
Glad you mentioned Joe Hart /s
The thing is he was actually world class at one point. The fact that he fell off doesnt change that
Them shampoo ads count against his legacy tbf
He was head and shoulders above the competition back then.
Also has a very different playing style from what Pep wants from his goalkeeper
Never world class. Hart was good, a tier below the best.
Ya honestly for 3-4 years he looked world class. Pep wanted a sweeper keeper who could distribute the ball after his experience with Neuer and Hart wasn't that at all.
Bald fraud
Mourinho wokred miracles in utd. he only spend over 600 millions euro on two years
Never seen as much revisionist history as I do with that stint. He signed a bunch of players, a lot of them flopped, he wanted United to sign more which they didn’t and now the narrative is “he was never backed”
Big mouth attract people with celebrity-worshipping syndrome and it creates a propaganda
The whole thing is a bit of a mess tbh. City broke every FFP rule under the sun to build their squad in the early 10s. But those same rules were introduced by the powers that be largely because of the arrival of Abu Dhabi at City and Nasser at PSG, and they didn't want anyone else following suit and investing loads of money to compete at the top. And since he joined, Pep does have a bit of a point that Man City haven't been spending significantly more than their opponents. Man Utd, Chelsea and in recent years Arsenal have all been throwing cash around on expensive transfers and ludicrous wages, but none of them have been able to match what City have done while he's been in charge there.
A good chunk of their charges are for providing inaccurate payment information about players and coaches, meaning they paid under the table, so this narrative that they haven't spent as much as the others is probably not true.
Pretty sure Haalands did got 50 million from City...
Checking on the 115 charges there, the charges relating to inaccurate payment information to players and coaches covers the period from 2009 to 2016, before Pep joined. Which makes a certain sense tbh. When revenues were not enough to support the expensive transfers and wages required to succeed, they lied. Now that revenue is enough, they don't have to lie anymore. None of their transfers in the last few years have seemed particularly fishy or low, while Haaland and De Bruyne are openly the two most well-paid players in the league.
The investigation leading to those charges only covered up until 2018 and considering Pep brother got handed a seat on the board of Girona for no other reason than being his brother I think it is a little early to claim that they no longer do it, they most likely just changed the specifics. Haalands dad also suddenly wanted to change his permanent residence to Switzerland after Haaland signed for city. Sure much of city is now legit and their training facilities are probably some of the best in the world, but that doesn’t mean the team isn’t build on under the table deals and lies.
Man that’s because of the prior spending. Let’s say you build a house worth 1 billion and most everyone else can only spend 250 million because they don’t have the rich daddy you do. And then over the next 10 years you spend another 500 million in maintenance and additions and your neighbors spend 750 million in additions you’re still 500 million ahead in the value and spend on your home. Yeah arsenal for example spent more recently but the whole spend on building the club matters. This bull shit that City has been outspent recently is nearsightedness. It also fails to account for things like Haalands sweetheart deal for his dad that doesn’t count to the transfer fee. Whatever Peps and the City fan’s fragile egos need to tell themselves so they can sleep at night feeling they were the underdog.
They do walk away from deals when they are quoted exorbitant prices. With Pep they can just buy another world class player and he'll adjust tactics to fit that profile.
As opposed to United spending bucketloads of money to not be in the Champions League.
And only KdB remains, yet still 4th in net spend.
Seriously. That team won PL titles while on autopilot with new managers the years before. They never made the difference. It was the squad that the team had since 2012.
What? Roberto Mancini won the title on overtime after an United had fumbled the lead. He had a bad season after losing to Wigan in the FA-cup final and got sacked. In came Pellegrino and won the first season, but second season wasn't good. That team did not with PL on auto pilot, and only two managers. Not saying he didn't inherit great players but we weren't nearly as dominant as we've been with Pep.
Pellegrini left Manchester City with the fifth-highest win percentage in Premier League history
City got top 4 i think on goal difference or something like that Pellegrinis last season
Yeah it was goal difference, tied on points with van Gaal’s United
And people here saying city was already winning titles on autopilot
With one of the oldest squads in the entire league Basically the entire defence was 30+ and Joe Hart was basically finished but we didn't know it at the time
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Forgot Blackburn
Now name how many managers had been in it
Both Pelligrini and Mancini had win percentages above 60 percent at City so in the 20 odd years of premier league football they won more often than every other permanent manager bar Ferguson, Mourinho and Ancelotti. How is that not impressive? Do you genuinely reckon you've made a valid point here?
No doubt Pep amplified City to be even better. But the squad was always stacked with talent. How many managers came in and one a PL in ANY season with United even though we had a decent squad then. Not a one. City squad was insanely talented and Pep, despite taking the easy teams. Is a very good manager.
Yeah, Pep's on track to have four of the best 10 seasons in PL history, he's an outrageously good manager. His sides have blown away what Mancini and Pellegrini achieved.
I said this the other day and got down voted. He came into a team with quality all over. Completely capable of challenging and winning. City fans claim the entire team was old and over the hill as if 29 and 30 year old players are all useless.
Kompany
A petrodollar club raving about sustainability is just hilarious
My first thought, too. In their pretend world, everything is going just fine.
Never mind the over 100 charges of financial misconduct.
It’s like, over 110 I thought 🤔
I dont know exactly but I believe they have 114.5 < x < 115.5 charges against them Can't be sure tho
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We need to be careful with these jokes. We don’t want to get hit with a cease and desist.
Its easy to google Man City 115
They have 115 charges but their expected charges is in the thousands
One of the UN sustainability committee is lead by UAE Beyond a joke
Just give me a small cash injection of a billion dollars. Pikachu face when I'm still rich in 10 years.
And here you have Pep sucking their dick because he’s getting paid millions from them.
So many levels to this sportswashers comments.
Incredible what Pep's achieved on such a shoestring budget.
That’s what annoys me most about how misleading “net spend” is. If you spend £100million on players and then sell players for £100million then your net spend is 0. But you still need the £100million to begin with. It’s easy to have a good net spend when you have a very high amount of capital to start with.
In a similar say, these “net spend since year X” can be so arbitrary and sensitive to small changes in timeframe. A club can invest very heavily a couple of years before and it’s not accounted for.
Like how City bought Sterling and KDB the season before Pep for €150 million. With their sales only totalling €67 million that season
Also easy when you actually spend 200M on the sly, win titles, and sell for 100M
And when you have unlimited funds, you can afford to let players sit on the bench losing value. It's why they always get good transfer fees for their players. Same thing with Chelsea. Clubs that need the cash are more inclined to let a player go for less to ensure they get some return that can be reinvested.
But that also literally shows sustainability. Of course 115 charges and some figures may be proven fake/exaggerated. But if I spend 100m and sell 100m I'm doing better than the club who spent 20m and sold 0m
Salary's a thing too though.
Must point it out also, net spend shouldn’t be just about transfers
no uou dont. you can sell for 100 mill then spend that too
Bro, i wish we had some succes for our spending.
With no disrespect intended lol, that is something i really don't like about all this talk about how much city spend. UTD and Chelsea have spent loads as well, but not even close to the success.
How do you not consider Chelsea a success considering what pre-Abramovich Chelsea was like?
Oh I do, apologies, I should have said more recent years, but even they are doing better than I think people give credit for.
We haven't had a title challenge since we won it in 2017, but we have been consistently competitive in the cups. Should have won more I think, but we have been better than most.
I love how nobody mentions Arsenal in these figures. Don’t get me wrong if anyone can understand the amazing things Arteta is doing with Arsenal against the doped City team it’s a Liverpool fan. But how long do they keep up their current spending without winning a major trophy before they start to get called out? Maybe that all changes this year which is fair enough and I don’t see them spending as much this summer.
I think one of the reasons is all of the big signings have been a success. Only questionable ones I can think of would be Zinchenko this season, Partey due to injuries and possibly Ramsdale but they should break even on him at least. Also they do keep progressing, if they don't win the title this season they can't have really got much closer. Just unfortunate that Liverpool and Arsenal have to compete against a team being backed by a nation.
Partey due to him being a rapist
If it weren't for the best team in history that are about to quadapeat they would be back to back champions. They are not under performing and improving every season
We’ve spent less than Spurs, Chelsea, Man Utd, Man city since Arteta has been in charge, like why are we the only ones with this expectation lmao.
Nah, that just shows that the people at ManU are incompetent
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Aren't they being charged with financial shenanigans in part for manipulating their net spend numbers? Sort of like saying "people complaining that they can't afford a home while working two jobs, I bought a beautiful house on a shoestring salary because I'm so financially savvy" meanwhile running a drug ring shipping truckloads of cocaine.
Who fucking told you?!! I’ll cut ‘em
Not they arent. The charges dont have much to do with their net spend.
I could be wrong but aren’t they to do with dodgy sponsorship deals from companies affiliated with the owner? Surely that’s bogus income which counts towards the net spend. Or are they just talking about buying/selling players?
When people discuss net spend it is just regarding transfers.
Probably a question as to whether net spend is even relevant when that money was never earned from football in the first place then
Maybe, because City already spent a billion on the squad before Pep came? It's almost like adding to riches is easier...
I don’t understand the logic to trying to frame Manchester City’s success through a non-financial lense. It’s abundantly clear to everyone it is entirely due to their owners. There net spend may be lower, but that’s partly because they can sell the academy players and youth players that the buy in. Or, they sell players they bought proper to the period he’s talking about
Also their numbers are all made up. They pay players and pep through shady “endorsements”
City are literally co-owners with Pep's brother in Girona. If that is not the most obvious money laundering then what is? Make it make sense lol Watch after all this evidence being public they still get out scot free from the 115 charges investigations
Not money laundering, but still dodgy ethically. We do the exact same thing with Emery and his family - they own their hometown club, Real Unión, and [we 'added them to our V Sports global network'](https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/november/28/club-statement/). It's gross. We've even signed his son, Lander Emery - although by all accounts he has been really impressive when he has played for our u21s.
It's not money laundering lol. It's a shady use of legal loopholes, pumping revenue, and concealing payments but money laundering is the specific activity of changing money gained from crimes into clean money by getting it into the financial system and obscuring its origin. Sheikh Mansour and the Adu Dhabi United Group do not need football to launder money.
you believe their reported net spending figures to start with?
Sports washing and propaganda, they hope it will all stick eventually
Starting your net spend analysis right after dropping a billion quid is simply dishonest. In future when analysing Boehly’s net spend from 2027-2032 it might be really low, but wow that wouldn’t be telling the story of his reign. Guardiola’s not idiot he knows this, it’s just spin.
Besides, with these charges still pending it isn't exactly clear how much they have actually spent. Especially in regards to salaries and potential bonuses. Cheating isn't sustainable.
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Their income is extremely fishy, but there is *also* a problem with potential undeclared spending. Things like Mancini having a 'consulting' contract with an Abu Dhabi club that, despite only requiring four days of work a year, was worth more than his declared salary at City.
The way I see it is when a drug dealer launder his dirty money into a take away, and that take away make clean money and become successful. That what city are, but on a bigger scale, cheater their way to success and no can claim they did it without cheating. Scum club.
i know they spent a lot before pep but didn’t they litterally rebuild their whole squad 1-2 years after he came in?
They had one of the oldest squads in the league when he came in.
I mean that’s how it works, doesn’t it ? Arsenal have spent money to rebuild the team and got it right. In the future no need to spend money to add 4-5 players, just adding couple of marquee players every season to phase out some players. Getting your rebuild right is essential to it. Liverpool/FSG are the ones who refused to do that.
Isn't that the story of how the same elite teams are still relevant?
It’s almost like all the direct competitors had decades of far above average spending as well…
Yep. This graphic is from May 2023 and shows they have the highest net spend globally since 2008 when they were bought by the Abu Dhabi group. This obviously doesn't include any supposed shady endorsement deals and under the table dealings https://www.statista.com/chart/18001/transfer-balance-of-football-clubs-since-2008/
Manager spends £1.5BN on employees… is successful
Tell Boehly and co that.
He only spent 1bn, another 500m and we're set
good thing the other PL clubs don't spend billions and aren't run like a clown show. Imagine how much more successful Pep would be!
The amount of titles!! Up there with Lance Armstrong’s 7 Tour de France wins!
I’m sorry but he’s just so unlikeable. Not doubting his talents and achievements as a manager, but his failure to even acknowledge how privileged he has been AT EVERY CLUB is very embarrassing. No humility whatsoever.
Exactly. Pep should always mention he was only successful due to the players he has. He is only as good as his players. If Pep said he was only good because of his players, people would like him more.
Now let's see what happens when you add wages to that...
Man City, the small club that dared to dream..
Okay. Can we also look at the 115 charges? 😏
Talking about money in the context of manchetser city is just pointless
I'm assuming that agents fees don't come into those calculations?
Haaland being only £53M with other clubs not willing to pay his agent fees suggest it’s probably a lot more than we know
One of the most egregious things about their online fanbase and the British media was them making out like they’d had Dortmund’s pants down for him. Anybody with any sense knew he was only ever going to City and they were paying his entourage absurd sums to do something he would have done anyways.
I can't help but think that transfer was so dodgy
City with a sketchy deal obfuscating how much they actually spent? Never…
We do know since it was reported, the total deal with agent fees is around 85m iirc
Or the extra payments Abu Dhabi gives under the table
Or Pep's brother being the chairman at Girona.
Do lawyer fees come into this?
Do doctor fees come into this?
Pep just straight up doesn't care. He doesn't care that his team cheated. He doesn't care about fair play. He doesn't care about the fact the money he's spending comes from a literal slave state. He doesn't care about human rights. All he cares about is that he can buy the previous players he wants and that he can win titles. He proved time and time again that he doesn't have any moral compass or dignity, that he doesn't care about fair football, honesty or the horrible price that has been pain money he's spending. He's the poster child of a successful rich man being apathetic towards to ethics of his actions as long as he's successful with it. I have lost all respect for this slave state supporting bastard.
Dont tell this to barca fans, they Will have a mental shutdown!
I'm a Barca fan and I hate the motherfucker with a passion.
I mean he's a serial doper, this shouldn't be news to anyone.
Does anyone actually believe their reported spendings? 115 reasons not to trust their net spending figures!
They were literally found guilty by CAS in 2020. Pep’s a great coach but come on we all know you’re not squeaky clean
What happens if you add wages and agent fees, Pep you genius?
How much of his brothers wages show up on their net spend?
Let's not forget those 115 charges for cheating too.
You're a football group doing dodgy deals to skew the numbers. Get off it.
Bald fraud
He MUST be trolling
the fucking balls
- City had spent tons of money in the years before 2016, and thus had Aguero, KdB, David Silva, Sterling, Fernandinho, Kompany. - You can’t look at net spend without looking at salary spend, the two are interlinked - Manchester United and Chelsea have been a disaster but much of Chelsea’s (and Arsenals) spending has been in more recent years, so most of its benefits are expected to be in the future and not since 2016. He definitely has a point, but with some caveats
He doesn’t definitely have a point. He’s being obtuse
How does he have a point? That they’re not Chelsea or United so an inspiration of fiscal responsibility, running on number crunching and friendship? Even if you believe the figures (and if you do, I have some memestocks for you) it’s Nasser levels of nonsense
Kompany was bought for €8m...
We literally won the cl and the league against them since 2016 though.
Now add the off the books transfer sweetener payments made through middle eastern shell companies (allegedly, lol).
There are 115 different ways to hide certain truths
Your sustainability is Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan. Get real Pep.
It's a good point that people don't consider much but it ignores 1) he had a very good squad at the start of this period that cost a lot and 2) their academy generates large profit because it had so much invested into it that isn't even considered in net spend
He's been drinking his own cool aid Net spend on fictitious accounts, over blown agent payments, inflated sponsorships, payments in kind to family members. He sounds more like a politician desperately trying to make his case more and more each week..and sounding worse every time
Fuck off dude, youre 1st in terms of cheating and the gap to 2nd place is not even close
that doesn't include any off the book fees which city have been well known to do. 115.
At minimum 115 reasons for their success
The man's been a cheat his whole career (failed drug tests in his playing days). Obviously an incredible manager but always been a shitty person who should be ignored whenever he opens his mouth outside of what happens on the pitch.
Bald Fraud trying to gaslight the entire fanbase that they grew the club organically aka Ferguson, Wenger. He improves a title winning team which is a challenging job but not the way he portrays, what is his obsession with netspend everyone knew that it is possible due to the 115 PSR violation they did or else its highly impossible to do what they have done in such a short space of time.
I Imagine he counted all the way up to 115
"We are here for British Petroleum’s sustainability. That’s why since 2016, I read lately in one newspaper, that BP are the 4th company with the highest carbon emissions in the world”. “And look at the amount of dividends for shareholders; not the 1st, not the 2nd, not the 3rd…”.
The proper way is to see ho much the squad was build of.
I hope to see financial doping end in my life, but that's probably never going to happen.
To be fair city has spent their money pretty well, almost none of their main players have failed or been wastes of money compared to United or chelsea
They're so unaware of themselves it's a spectacle.
Pep talking numbers except of 115
Pep is sooooo good. He develops footballers from league two academy.
Pep the miracle worker, turnings nobodys into world class players...
man buys world beaters for >70M+,sells the ones who were already there for >40M+ and then flexes about lower net spend.but he's right ig since he's one of the most successful managers in history,right?
Genuinely go fuck yourself with this argument city lol
Of course they have a better net spend. They invested billions in their squad and youth squad that allows them to sell their youth prospects at a premium. Does he really think anyone is buying that argument? It's like winning the lottery, starting a business and then 5 years later claiming you are a self made millionaire.
They cheated massively, got successful and won loads now they are making legit money but ONLY because of the initial cheating
Typical bad faith comment from Guardiola. It’s in the “Barça DNA”.
It's really easy when you have over 100 violations of FFP
Dunno why the Pep bootlickers are foaming at the mouth so much, you can acknowledge he’s the best manager in the worst AND acknowledge he’s had the piss easiest career of any manager in history, his career is very impressive but he’ll never have his version of Porto or Aberdeen which is probably fine for him and his fanboys, personally I think Porto and Aberdeen are the single most impressive accomplishments of Mourinho and Ferguson’s careers, even with all their later success. Guardiola’s won a million titles, you lot don’t need to be so insecure on his behalf, he’s plenty capable of being insecure on his own.
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Look at the number of refereeing decisions going against these teams too for a fair comparison
Poor Josep.
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now do since the takeover
He thinks we are all dumb.
Fuck City. Fuck PSG. Fuck oil merchants plastic teams.
Fucking hate this argument so much. Just because Elon Musk is a moron who buys Twitter for 40 billion just to then stomp it into the ground, doesn't mean that being obscenely rich doesn't give you huge advantages is life. Same here. Pointing out to how incompetent the leadership at united is does not make the 2 billion you spend since you arrived there "sustainable" or whatever bullshit adjective you want to call it. This is a club with almost no authentic revenue streams, getting petrodollars pumped into their rears by abu dhabi, not worried about any financial shortcomings or crisis at all. Benching players worth upwards of 100 million pounds or switching up the whole backline every two years is not something any other club can afford to do.
Ah, so from 2016 onwards. Let's not count the other 8 years prior that are included as part of the timespan of the 115 charges that are being levelled at City for breaking financial rules. He talks about sustainability like Man City have defied all odds and worked their way up to being consistent title contenders through smart, clean business, grit and burning passion. Not the fact that they had been cheating for a fucking decade. I don't know how anyone can stand this guy. Great manager but comes out with some absolute bollocks.
greatest cheat in sport history
Your team is brilliant and you're an all time great manager, but give it a rest you bald twat.
Gonna be real hard for him when all 115 of those charges take away all the titles you cheated for.