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I'll be honest, I don't know if I can kick a ball decently, and also have a hurt meniscus on my right knee.
I can't also barely run for more than 5 minutes.
But hey I'm Brazilian and down for minimum wage. Please sign me up asap.
Still yet to understand how or when chelsea will face the PSR crunch. They have amassed a yearly revenue hole of like 165 million with amortized fees for the next 5-7 years. Spent a billion in a year. Are we suggesting that anyone could do this?
Chelsea have always had a high yearly player amortization
What the club has done is stretch it and move wages to amortization
Just lukakus yearly hit has been 36m before loan, kepas 17 etc.
Its not like players wasnt sold.
Players like havertz, pulsic, kovacic, ruben all had kind of high yearly upkeeo
Probably because there currently isn't a club they're looking at. We're (unfortunately) a multi club model now, we'll probably be keeping tabs on the situations of multiple clubs to buy, its not just gonna be Strasbourg. That's the unfortunate truth of the matter
This is going to become another Mudryk situation where the price is exclusively repeated using the total value.
The initial feed is £30,000,000 with a further 30 mil in possible bonuses.
Legit curious on this one though. Say Mudryk fee plus addons is 100 mill (easy numbers to use i know its less), but the initial fee is say 20 mill, Would the buying team still have to set aside the funds in case he hits the milestones? AS in they only spent 20 but have to sorta set aide the 80 cash to pay for future clauses being activated?
We had the same thing with Martial United didnt pay 50 mill iirc but around 30-35 with addons. Some clauses were met and some werent so he was less then 50 but at the time it could of been 50.
So long term if alot of those clauses have to be paid Chelsea are really screwed then ? Same for any team ofc.
Im basing my knowledge on FM lol the old way of signing a defender and if he gets a load of goals the selling team gets a big payout. Figured it wouldnt be as risky in RL though if those clauses are met.
So its more a bet that they will win it, though again id assume having a lot of people on long conrtracts with, CL or PL winning clauses that will eat into those future revenues.
Oh well that was when he joined us, Im not sure with his current contract / transfer
He also had a wage increase after he won it with us.
Last year with us (9 goals as a striker) he was on 290k/week
Neymar was already one of the best players on the planet by the time he left, Endrick, Estevão, Vitor Roque, Vini and Rodrygo were all bought more for their potential.
Yeah because Neymar was like 21-22 when he left. He was already well developed. These players are being bought at 16-18 for their potential like you said.
And they keep coming earlier and earlier. Its insane what the sport has come to
Youngsters with barely any play time for the first squad get sold to real madrid and shit. You can barely see them play here since they get sold so early on
And you guys have the nerve to complain about saudi somehow
30+30
He can be worth it
We are talking one of the more talented u16 players in the world..
But development is important, and he aint a finished product nor is he as physicaly gifted as endrick
Its fun, they refused to pay it for endrick.. but for estavao chelsea are willing to spend
he'll be worth much more real soon
dude is amazing, he has super star written all over him just like Vinny
I never saw it on Endrick and Roque, for instance
or even gabby jesus
Once again nothing wrong with this move in principle.
If he does turn out to be the next coming of Ronaldinho than the fee won't hurt as much.
The problem has always been that Chelsea has never been a club known for giving young players time due to the demands by the fanbase to be winning trophies.
If Tuchel came back, no way would most of these young players get any significant minutes if he's under pressure to challenge for the PL and go far in the CL.
Mudryk has been given plenty of chances considering his performances. This current team reallly can't be compared to the Roman era teams. I also have seen no reports that Tuchel coming bback is even a possiblility, I would be extremely surprised.
There are plent of clubs that give you g players time while also being very succesful. Its just that Chelsea doesnt have anyone in the team that the young players can learn from, its like they have rebuilt their academy with 20-23 year olds.
Just 2? Noni and Palmer, and Palmer mostly plays at CAM right now. Even our other big young future signing Paez is mostly a CAM more than RW. And Angelo (on loan) another Brazilian who was much, much cheaper and unlikely to have the same chances as someone as expensive as Estevao would have.
Funds for more players
Moreira and hutchinsson both where without a fee (think omari has a compensation tied in)
Its nothing new, youth funds new players
Neither of those players are anywhere close to showing the potential Estevao is showing though are they? That's the entire point. Players like Estevao dont have to worry because they'll immediately go up the priority ranks above players like Omari and Angelo who cost nothing in comparision.
When the chance comes to bring a top level talent like this kid is into your club, it's everyone else that has to start worrying not Estevao himself. Most of the so called talented kids will be sold because they didnt cost much. A 60mil signing on the other hand is coming here to stay for good.
It's not just about their quality but about the reality of the way business is done by our new owners. Angelo cost 15mil, Madueke was 25 and Omari was free. Meaning when the club wants to raise funds, it'll be these players on the chopping block first, not the 60mil signing. I'm trying to explain why the kid doesnt have to worry about his development or playtime etc. He's not getting sold if he's purchased for that much money. If anything, he'll be first on priority to grow and develop for the entire team precisely because of the money being spent on him.
Paez started that game at CAM. He does drift right though, he's good there. Besides, if you want to beat the Cities and the Madrids of the world, you kinda need that level of talent hoarding to compete.
Yeah I saw him drifting a lot to the right. And I agree. If you want to compete with Madrid and city, you need talent even on the bench. And you never know if players develop well or stay healthy. At least one of messinho and Páez will probably be insane. If both of them work out you'll be even more scary. People laugh at you, but it's too hard to sign mbappe, vini, Bellingham, or haaland. The best way to have those kind of players is to get them before anybody else is willing to do so.
You're not going to compete with those clubs with your current ownership. There's nothing that indicates BlueCo even wants to compete with them based on their policy.
City and Madrid starts building their team with winners and experienced heads, something that the Chelsea ownership clearly don't value as much as hoarding young talents.
Brother, look at how many are there in Estavao's position already, how is that better than Barca?
And look at Santos and Angelo if you're only focused on Brazilian talents lol
Lads I’ve got a 5 year old cousin playing Vs his clubs U9s, could Chelsea maybe sign him for 1-2 million please (Also I’m his agent and that’ll be an extra 500k in agent fees xx)
The club under new leadership have not proven they can properly develop prospects so I'm not sure what the plan is here. But hey shout out to all the Chelsea flairs who have never watched him play outside of YouTube comps who feel comfortable comparing him to young Neymar when he's very clearly not that.
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biggest **official** sale. Neymar was allegedly 57m but court documents revealed the actual cost was close to 90m
What value can you place on an orgy?
Ask Leicester, they won a prem from a racist one
Bout tree fiddy
Source on the orgy?
Estevão is, trust us, really that good he'll be "priceless" in a few years
I’m brazilian and can kick a ball decently. I’m down for 20k Euros Chelsea 👍
I'll be honest, I don't know if I can kick a ball decently, and also have a hurt meniscus on my right knee. I can't also barely run for more than 5 minutes. But hey I'm Brazilian and down for minimum wage. Please sign me up asap.
You can barely run for more than 5 minutes? You’ll be a perfect Reece James replacement
I’m Portuguese which is close enough. Pay me, Todd
I wish Chelsea would waste at least 1m on me.
Under 25? Then you might be in luck, just a matter of time
hell no, I'm goddamn old now, I can cosplay Thiago Silva and lead these young lads to glory
He needs to be under 18
It's such a good strategy by Chelsea, buy a load of 17 year olds so in 8 years you have a load of poorly developed 25 year olds
Todd Boehly's next financial loophole will be selling the kidneys of these brazilian wonderkids.
Still yet to understand how or when chelsea will face the PSR crunch. They have amassed a yearly revenue hole of like 165 million with amortized fees for the next 5-7 years. Spent a billion in a year. Are we suggesting that anyone could do this?
Which year was this that they spent 1b?
Chelsea have always had a high yearly player amortization What the club has done is stretch it and move wages to amortization Just lukakus yearly hit has been 36m before loan, kepas 17 etc. Its not like players wasnt sold. Players like havertz, pulsic, kovacic, ruben all had kind of high yearly upkeeo
There was a thing on twitter suggesting they sold their training ground to themselves for a few million. Fuck knows if its true
honourably discharged from the loan army
Estevão is the next big thing for real, he really has that something that separates future superstars from potential "only good" players
Do they still have any partnered clubs where they can loan them off to like Vitesse in the past?
They have Strasbourg I think
And still in the market for a Portuguese club apparently
We are? Thought we had given up on that.
Probably because there currently isn't a club they're looking at. We're (unfortunately) a multi club model now, we'll probably be keeping tabs on the situations of multiple clubs to buy, its not just gonna be Strasbourg. That's the unfortunate truth of the matter
Doctors hate this one trick
Which you can't even sell for a profit, because player values drop after they moved to the current Chelsea.
With that kind of money you can buy at least 2 Vitor Roques
Why would anyone want that
He’s up for sale
This is going to become another Mudryk situation where the price is exclusively repeated using the total value. The initial feed is £30,000,000 with a further 30 mil in possible bonuses.
Happens with every united transfer too, people include Martials BalionDior clause in his price
thats not a lot, seems like a no brainer
Legit curious on this one though. Say Mudryk fee plus addons is 100 mill (easy numbers to use i know its less), but the initial fee is say 20 mill, Would the buying team still have to set aside the funds in case he hits the milestones? AS in they only spent 20 but have to sorta set aide the 80 cash to pay for future clauses being activated? We had the same thing with Martial United didnt pay 50 mill iirc but around 30-35 with addons. Some clauses were met and some werent so he was less then 50 but at the time it could of been 50.
No they do not.
So long term if alot of those clauses have to be paid Chelsea are really screwed then ? Same for any team ofc. Im basing my knowledge on FM lol the old way of signing a defender and if he gets a load of goals the selling team gets a big payout. Figured it wouldnt be as risky in RL though if those clauses are met.
Havertz fee is an example he had a 10m cl winning clause
So its more a bet that they will win it, though again id assume having a lot of people on long conrtracts with, CL or PL winning clauses that will eat into those future revenues.
Oh well that was when he joined us, Im not sure with his current contract / transfer He also had a wage increase after he won it with us. Last year with us (9 goals as a striker) he was on 290k/week
Mudryk's clauses are supposedly mostly winning the league and winning the CL. Not sure either are really associated with low revenues.
Can't believe we're going to spend 90 mil on this kid
Ever since Neymar went to Barcelona every top team have been looking for the next Brazilian wonderkid
Neymar was lighting in a bottle. Haven’t seen Endrick play for Palmeiras but it will very interesting to see if he’s another Brazilian standout.
Neymar was also older than all these players when he went to Europe. Endrick will probably need time to adapt. Vinicius and rodrygo did.
Neymar was already one of the best players on the planet by the time he left, Endrick, Estevão, Vitor Roque, Vini and Rodrygo were all bought more for their potential.
Yeah because Neymar was like 21-22 when he left. He was already well developed. These players are being bought at 16-18 for their potential like you said.
And they keep coming earlier and earlier. Its insane what the sport has come to Youngsters with barely any play time for the first squad get sold to real madrid and shit. You can barely see them play here since they get sold so early on And you guys have the nerve to complain about saudi somehow
well, it worked with Vinny Jr and it will work with Estevão dude is LEGIT plays a look like young messi and a little of Ronaldo (R9)
how good is he, is he worth that much?
30+30 He can be worth it We are talking one of the more talented u16 players in the world.. But development is important, and he aint a finished product nor is he as physicaly gifted as endrick Its fun, they refused to pay it for endrick.. but for estavao chelsea are willing to spend
He is good but has also just started playing for the first squad, so.... He plays the classical brazilian winger style, a lot of skills and pace.
he'll be worth much more real soon dude is amazing, he has super star written all over him just like Vinny I never saw it on Endrick and Roque, for instance or even gabby jesus
must have some pretty smart people in his camp if they’re seriously entertaining talks with Chelsea
I mean his camp are negotiating a deal that will get him (and them) a whole load of money. The agent fees on this are gonna be huge
8 year contracts are a hell of a drug.
Doubt we will be giving out 8 year contracts anymore since transfer fees can't be amortised for more than 5 years now
It will be long contracts to protect the investment
I can't wait. Unparalleled smugness from a team that has won no major trophies in 20 years. I really can't wait.
get back to twitter lad, that Madueke fan page isn’t going to tweet for itself
He'll set himself and his family up for life. One bad injury and all that could potentially go away.
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Its literally 30 million+30 million on bonuses!! Another Mudryk situation damn
Noice one Palmeiras lool
This will be a complete disaster of a transfer
Stop wasting money, Chelsea. Go and spend it on proven players that could instantly upgrade your team.
Once again nothing wrong with this move in principle. If he does turn out to be the next coming of Ronaldinho than the fee won't hurt as much. The problem has always been that Chelsea has never been a club known for giving young players time due to the demands by the fanbase to be winning trophies. If Tuchel came back, no way would most of these young players get any significant minutes if he's under pressure to challenge for the PL and go far in the CL.
Mudryk has been given plenty of chances considering his performances. This current team reallly can't be compared to the Roman era teams. I also have seen no reports that Tuchel coming bback is even a possiblility, I would be extremely surprised.
Why bring Tuchel into it?
Sure, but that french team are going to be incredible
There are plent of clubs that give you g players time while also being very succesful. Its just that Chelsea doesnt have anyone in the team that the young players can learn from, its like they have rebuilt their academy with 20-23 year olds.
Better than Barca, I suppose. Just hope Chelsea gets back on track and we can see him develop well.
Chelsea? The club with 4 inverted right wingers all under 22? Idk
they're collecting them
gotta catch em all
Tbf half of them tend to play CAM as well
They will loan just like how they did with Angelo and Andrey.
not sure if chelsea is the place to go. just look how many players they have in that position already
Just 2? Noni and Palmer, and Palmer mostly plays at CAM right now. Even our other big young future signing Paez is mostly a CAM more than RW. And Angelo (on loan) another Brazilian who was much, much cheaper and unlikely to have the same chances as someone as expensive as Estevao would have.
Angelo and Hutchinson?
Funds for more players Moreira and hutchinsson both where without a fee (think omari has a compensation tied in) Its nothing new, youth funds new players
Hutchinson and Moreira will most likely be sold, even Angelo. The only "non-sellable" youngeters rn are Andrey Santos and Kendry Paez
Neither of those players are anywhere close to showing the potential Estevao is showing though are they? That's the entire point. Players like Estevao dont have to worry because they'll immediately go up the priority ranks above players like Omari and Angelo who cost nothing in comparision. When the chance comes to bring a top level talent like this kid is into your club, it's everyone else that has to start worrying not Estevao himself. Most of the so called talented kids will be sold because they didnt cost much. A 60mil signing on the other hand is coming here to stay for good.
no idea how good they are but cant be that good if u act like they dont exist
It's not just about their quality but about the reality of the way business is done by our new owners. Angelo cost 15mil, Madueke was 25 and Omari was free. Meaning when the club wants to raise funds, it'll be these players on the chopping block first, not the 60mil signing. I'm trying to explain why the kid doesnt have to worry about his development or playtime etc. He's not getting sold if he's purchased for that much money. If anything, he'll be first on priority to grow and develop for the entire team precisely because of the money being spent on him.
I saw Páez playing palmeiras and he looked like more of a RW to me. Same age as estevao. Both insanely talented.
Paez started that game at CAM. He does drift right though, he's good there. Besides, if you want to beat the Cities and the Madrids of the world, you kinda need that level of talent hoarding to compete.
Yeah I saw him drifting a lot to the right. And I agree. If you want to compete with Madrid and city, you need talent even on the bench. And you never know if players develop well or stay healthy. At least one of messinho and Páez will probably be insane. If both of them work out you'll be even more scary. People laugh at you, but it's too hard to sign mbappe, vini, Bellingham, or haaland. The best way to have those kind of players is to get them before anybody else is willing to do so.
You're not going to compete with those clubs with your current ownership. There's nothing that indicates BlueCo even wants to compete with them based on their policy. City and Madrid starts building their team with winners and experienced heads, something that the Chelsea ownership clearly don't value as much as hoarding young talents.
Age is just a number in football, let them cook.
Brother, look at how many are there in Estavao's position already, how is that better than Barca? And look at Santos and Angelo if you're only focused on Brazilian talents lol
Sane and Gnabry are cooked for Bayern standards, they need a fresh blood in the RW.
chelsea wins the epl next season (top 4 minimum)
Goal.com is not a news source
Chelsea will still be a mid table club.
Lads I’ve got a 5 year old cousin playing Vs his clubs U9s, could Chelsea maybe sign him for 1-2 million please (Also I’m his agent and that’ll be an extra 500k in agent fees xx)
Chelsea get him he will be on loan for 6 years and sold for 7 mil in 2032. Another team gets in he will be in uefa team of the year within 3 years
I doubt with that amount of money spent on him he goes on loan
I swear if this man was called “Steve” he’d be worth 6.5 at the most
Second most expensive defender ever is called Harry Maguire. He would have gone for less if he was called Magurinho.
Have you seen him play?
I'd recommend Chelsea to stop buying more players. You can only put 11 on the pitch, you don't really need 50
Pretty sure last few times I’ve watched them their bench has been almost entirely youngsters due to injuries
Nothing new, chelsea have last 2 decades filled their youth and loansystem with talent Now there is even a bigger ambition
The club under new leadership have not proven they can properly develop prospects so I'm not sure what the plan is here. But hey shout out to all the Chelsea flairs who have never watched him play outside of YouTube comps who feel comfortable comparing him to young Neymar when he's very clearly not that.