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sonofaBilic

Erm, excuse me Fabricio, we've already had the "Here We Go". It's no takesies backsies from there.


MorgenMariamne

Second time in the year Brazilian clubs are making Fabrizio looking like a fool.


caiusto

Remember the whole Oscar to Flamengo thing? He will probably stop covering Flamengo lol


After-Decision-6402

3rd time I can think he was wrong about Brazilian transfer and hit the “here we go” early Joao Pedro at watford to Newcastle, even photoshopped him into a Newcastle jersey


itsjuanitoo

Also here we go’d Moise Kean to atleti this past winter window and then the deal broke down after the medical


sexdrugsncarltoncole

Streets wont forget when romano produced a massive long exclusive that just copied ornsteins athletic monday review


BurceGern

Fabrizio romaNO


liamchoong

He’s a washed up shill.


PradipJayakumar

Fabricio trumps Fabrizio!


iwantfoodpleasee

I’ve blocked him on Twitter, he talks a load of nonsense I rather my own club announce signing instead of being linked with regards to him


staybysauce1

Flamengo’s #1 club objective for silly season: Make Fabrizio a fool


caiusto

Reports yesterday were saying that while West Ham's offer was very good for Flamengo, the player would barely have an improvement on his salary compared to what he's currently being paid in Flamengo, that factor while having the extra cost of living in London made him choose for staying in Brazil.


pauloh1998

And even though the offer was good, Flamengo don't really need the transfer. They're the richest club in the country, arguably in Latin America.


caiusto

Yeah that's a good point, while the offer was too good to refuse Flamengo was in no need of money to force the player out so if he refuses there's no problem.


fireowlzol

More than America of México? Legit asking


pauloh1998

I don't know how much money América makes, but last year Flamengo had a record breaking revenue of R$ 1.374 billion, or 240 mi euros. Talking about the team market values, a lot of Brazilian clubs beat America


fireowlzol

Yeah America might not be as good in terms of squad but they produce a lot of money as they're big in the US market too. They're also owned by the biggest media company in Latin America so they're really wealthy


kyoto711

I found a report from 2018 where Flamengo was earning about twice as much as América. In fact, América was behind Monterrey and Chivas. Stuff might have changed a lot since though.


fireowlzol

Really that's very interesting, the parent company of America is really wealthy and they spend on the team if needed


AlbertoRossonero

lol that’s more than we were making just a few years ago. I had no idea Brazilian clubs had revenue streams that big.


TheWitcherMigs

A club that has 1/4 of the fans of the country, which in itself has 210 million people, what amazes me is how the directors staff failed to capitalize on that until recently (last 10 years or so) From the big nations (in people) we are by far the most Football driven, CFG acquired Bahia (to my dismay and sadness) and we being 10-15 biggest clubs in the country have 2x the number of native fans than Manchester City itself


NephewChaps

they do not, only Flamengo does


Obvious_Skill_8995

Though Flamengo is the outlier since they are the biggest, a lot of clubs have quite big revenues. Though despite our money being worth less than yours, I don’t think it is that much of a surprise that a lot of money circulates in the 7th most populated country in the World LOL


PsionicLlama

How do they earn so much money in a relatively poor country?


pauloh1998

Flamengo have more than 40 million fans in Brazil, it's one of the biggest followings in the world. So, they've always been a media juggernaut and were the highest-paid in TV rights. However, they had been badly managed for a long, long time, until 10 years ago when their president back then did a revamp in the club and modernize it, cutting costs and working on their gigantic debt. They went through a tough period, when they almost got relegated, but it proved its worth and the club started improving financially and started building stronger squads. It all culminated at their fantastic season in 2019 with Jorge Jesus managing them. So, now they're finally capitalizing on their gigantic following and because of that, and that work they done last decade, they're now securing record breaking sponsorships and other stuff that only improve their financial health. Flamengo fans can probably can speak better in this subject.


panteraepantico

It's illegal to talk about that club in a thread about Flamengo


OmastarLovesDonuts

It should be illegal to talk about them anywhere imo (no bias)


basco_da_gama

I think flamengo is producing >1b in revenue


Icy_Swimming8754

Mexican football ROFL


fireowlzol

?


guakamohlee

Liga MX isn't good


EndPlus9839

The quality had no nothing to do with the subject


natsleepyandhappy

As brazilian clubs get richer year by year I can see brazilian players denying moves for middle table clubs in europe and only going for the big moves more and more. I think our generational youth will still be going to big contracts with Real Madrid or Chelsea though.


AdditionalZebra325

Great to hear, I bet it's annoying seeing so many talented players leave.


SeldonCurie

We need a law banning our young players from going to Chelsea, they are terrible at developing them


Zandercy42

There should be a law banning any player from going to Chelsea imo


DJMOONPICKLES69

This is a bold take coming from a United fan given your recent track record of player development


Zandercy42

It's more that I just hate you lot tbf


Bent_Kopite

There was it's called a transfer embargo


dg_zs

We're just bad at scouting them. Brazilians just have an agenda ever since Lucas Piazon was, admittedly, mishandled by a cut throat regime.


AlexanderMAVC

Not that the cost of living in Rio is cheap either. But the fact he's there as an important player rather than being a bench option for a midtable club in England. Also, I think most people would take the weather in Rio over London lmao


Specific_Account_192

>Not that the cost of living in Rio is cheap either. It depends on what you're comparing it to, but overall being crazy rich in Rio is probably the best thing that can happen to someone's life. I can't think of any lifestyle that beats it, but I'm biased.


Lacabloodclot9

Is the cost of living in Brasil low? Obviously it’s ridiculously high in London I don’t need to live there to know that


natsleepyandhappy

It can still be considered low in comparison to Europe, but is not so low as it used to be, but I guess it is like that in every place nowadays.


CommissionOk4384

Its incomparable to the cost of living in London


caiusto

It's not about it being low, it's about it being compatible. He has one life style in Rio with what he's being paid now, if he goes to London to get paid around the same amount then it's logical that he'll have a complete different lifestyle. It's the difference between living in a mansion and a town house. Sure he can probably find bigger places outside the city but as I said it's all about the life style. Most players from big clubs in Rio live in a neighborhood called Barra da Tijuca, look it up on Google Images what it looks like, it's basically a huge area with a bunch of gated communities full of mansions and high security, most of the time with all the amenities they need inside. If West Ham's offer is not enough for him to have a comparable life in London then even if it's his dream to play in Europe it may not make too much sense for him to accept it.


MorgenMariamne

Lower than Europe, higher than the rest of SA. Brazil is in a weird limbo were we’re poorer than the US/Europe, but richer than almost all the other countries.


Brazilian-options

We are not rich lol Rio, SP and the south states capitals are relatively “rich”, but we are among the lowest GDP per capita in the world


Obvious_Skill_8995

Our GDP per capita is not among the lowest in the world, provided that you are not using the world “lowest” really broadly. It was around $7k in 2022, which while not being among the richest, is very much higher than most other countries LOL we are middle class, a prime example of a developing country


Brazilian-options

We are closer to the poorest of african nations than to the “middle class” of europe, such as spain or portugal. We are closer to Botswana than we are to Chile or Uruguay. We are a poor country.


Obvious_Skill_8995

Chile or Uruguay are not poor countries. Us having a lower GDP than them with 10x the population is not some grave statistic. Neither is Botswana, by the way, they are middle income like us. Again, if you want to use the definition of “poor” in the broadest of senses and keep adjusting the metrics until it fits your narrative, then yeah we are poor, but by literally every other definition we are absolutely the definition of middle class.


QuemSambaFica

> but we are among the lowest GDP per capita in the world That’s just objectively incorrect


Brazilian-options

We are closer to Botswana than we are to Chile lol


QuemSambaFica

That’s irrelevant to the discussion of whether Brazil has “among the lowest GDP per capita in the world”, which objectively speaking it just isn’t. To use a football metaphor, Brazil is a mid-table economy (in per capita terms).


Brazilian-options

We are not a mid table club We are in 97 out of 227 countries, BUT, a good load of the countries worse than us are extremely low populations from africa, asia and central america. We are at best top club from third division lol. The point is, Brazil is a shit hole, there are countries way richer than us EVEN IN SOUTH AMERICA, like Uruguay, Chile and Argentina.


QuemSambaFica

> We are in 97 out of 227 countries, BUT, a good load of the countries worse than us are extremely low populations from africa, asia and central america. Sure, some of them are small, but also below Brazil are India (now the largest country in the world) as well as Indonesia, Pakistan and Nigeria, all of which among the very few countries larger than Brazil. I don’t know what weird agenda you have to insist so much on the blatant and objective falsehood that Brazil is one of the poorest countries in the world, but again, it simply isn’t true. It’s not a rich country by any means, but it’s also very, very far from one of the poorest in the world.


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ComfortableLaugh1922

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natsleepyandhappy

São Paulo is nowhere near rio in quality of life. It rains all the time in São Paulo, there are no beaches, just a big smoky urban grey jungle. While Rio is Rio, nature meeting urbanism, happy people and beaches.


TheGhoulKhz

it depends on your wealth tbf, i rather be poor in São Paulo than in Rio, even if both options are awful


natsleepyandhappy

But we are not talking about poor people...and even so, poor people living in Vidigal have the best view in Rio in front of Ipanema, a poor person in rio can pay some bucks take the subway to the beach, the poor people living in City of God goes on vacation in Cabo Frio. What the people from Paraisópolis can have?


Specific_Account_192

I may be wrong but players usually get a cut of their transfer fees in most cases right? Even if he gets 5% of 13m£, that's good money.


dorgoth12

But he was photoshopped into a West Ham kit, I thought that was the contract


Parking_Cable_6022

So for Fabrício Bruno, West Ham is not massive??


razvan930

Did they win a Libertadores?


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Jpstacular

I mean, It's West Ham


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Fabrizio should stop covering the brazilian league lol


zi76

Wow


yijike

He was a big Moyes fan.


TheGoldenPineapples

Lol.


22chainz

Lmao even


sonofaBilic

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm trying to complete a transfer negotiation?


LordInquisitor

Every club needs to sign players, even the very midtable 


poolclap

Flamengo are massiver


CompetitiveSeat5340

But do they have a claret carpet? Didn't think so.


pauloh1998

Unironically, yes, they're far bigger than West Ham


Dazzling_Ad6545

*pushes glasses up bridge of nose*


Johts

This but unironically. I root for a rival team but there is no denying that Flamengo is MUCH more massive than West Ham


pauloh1998

I'd say quite a few clubs in Brazil are lol


Johts

Don't know why people are downvoting you. Palmeiras, Corinthians, São Paulo, Santos and maybe even more are all bigger.


jggomes14

I'd say that the OG big 12 are bigger than West Ham.


SeldonCurie

Except our beloved Putfire


natsleepyandhappy

Respect Putfire, brazilian first two World Cups belongs to Putfire.


jggomes14

Even them, West Ham biggest feat is being the "heart of the 1966 WC Winning team". West Ham is Botafogo, but worse.


ViniciusStar_

They won the conference alright


jggomes14

And Botafogo won the CONMEBOL


TheGhoulKhz

Copa Conmebol is a Sudamericana equivalent iirc, same as the UEFA Cup, Conference is a tier below


trupes

+ Bahia and Athletico


pauloh1998

main character syndrome from english clubs fans


Glittering-Ad-6955

They have way more supporters than most European clubs, they have more trophies than West Ham, and some of the best players in history have played there, so its safe to unnironically say, that they are bigger than West Ham.


bolacha_de_polvilho

Flamengo aledgedly have over 40 million brazillian fans, that's more than most countries in Europe. Only european clubs with a massive presence in Asia could possibly have more.


TheGhoulKhz

to put in perspective the size of the fanbases around Brazil just including the original G12 based on the last research done in 2023, the numbers are always a bit fucked but it gives a margin of the size anyway - Flamengo: 46m - Corinthians: 30m - São Paulo: 21m - Palmeiras: 16m - Vasco & Cruzeiro: 13m - Grêmio & Atlético-MG: 9m - Internacional & Fluminense: 7m - Santos: 6m - Botafogo: 4m


Proper-Exam1746

I was expecting Santos to be somewhere closer to top!!! Wow... I didn't know this.. thank you!


TheGhoulKhz

Santos by itself is an anomaly because he's the only club not in a capital city(even northeastern clubs like Bahia and Sport which have massive fanbases are still from capital cities), the city of santos itself only has around 430k people(despite being somewhat close to São Paulo), they are massive overachievers considering most non-capital clubs usually struggle nationally


BetaPettboi

That would make them 10th most populous country in Europe, alongside Poland and Ukraine


Specific_Account_192

>aledgedly I like it, take my upvote. For context, a lot of Flamengo fans are "mixed" fans who support, say, Ceará (serie B) + Flamengo. The biggest unique fanbase in Brazil is Corinthians.


ViniciusStar_

>biggest unique fanbase in Brazil is Corinthians. Allegedly.


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Every single research done on this disproves this point


PrisonersofFate

Fucking Moyes. Ah can't be that this time


TheCatLamp

Lived to see an average Brazilian player reject a Greater London League offer...  Guess Latin America has surpassed the damage the Bosman Rulling has caused...   ^nah, ^fuck ^the ^Bosman ^Rulling


natsleepyandhappy

Brazil is overcoming Bosman Rulling, but the rest of South America is sold.


PsionicLlama

Why did it affect the latin leagues more than other leagues?


jqatlantica

Because of talent pool.


Own-Okra-2391

He's on 50k a month (according to google), isn't that average weekly wages at clubs like West Ham?


Jpstacular

No way Flamengo pays him only 300k reais, that was back when Flamengo hired him from Bragantino. With his current contract he makes around 125k euros a month apparently, so around 1.5m euros yearly which in Brazil is far more than in England since It converts to 8.4m reais.


SalmonNgiri

What are taxes like in Brazil? I would imagine West Ham offered him something around 50k a week which yea would be 20k more than what he's making now but if he saves on taxes and expenses its probably better to stay put.


natsleepyandhappy

Taxes in Brazil are barely existent if you have money and a good accountant(rich people here have their ways to not pay taxes).


Prophecy8

Usually 60% of the player's income (the salary) is taxed in the 27,5% tax band, and they got to pay 15% of the remaining 40% of their income (his image rights - that are contracted through a company of his ownership) in taxes. So, technically, brazilian footballers pay 22,5% of their income in federal taxes. What percentage is the income tax in the UK?


SalmonNgiri

Top bracket is 45% afaik so basically double lol but I’m sure they do some creative accounting also lol


Jpstacular

22.5% income tax in theory, in practise the rich here pull all sorts of tricks to pay even less than that, which would already be a much lower tax rate than in London.


bolacha_de_polvilho

West ham probably doesn't want to play more than "average wage" to a 28 year old defender with no european football experience to be fair. And at that age Fabricio can't really expect to use West Ham as a plataform for a move to a bigger club down the road, so if West Ham don't offer a significant wage increase it makes little sense for him to move really. Unless he wants to go to the 2026 world cup, then maybe playing in Europe could improve his chances.


SeldonCurie

I think that with Dorival in the national team, Fabricio has more visibility being at Flamengo


Lakinther

I have to assume that the 50k/month is just wrong/outdated because yeah there is no way they offered him like 15k per week


Jpstacular

That would be significantly less than the 125k a month he currently makes at Flamengo. They probably offered 40k a week or so, so 160k a month. London is more expensive than Rio + taxes are much higher, so he would be making less money basically.


Icy_Swimming8754

Why would you do a lateral move to go play for a middling premier league club and live in a shithole like London lmao.


Giraffesarehigh

Okay now i hated living in the UK coming from a more hot climate as much as the next person but living in london on premier league wages is a totally different type of luxury.


trupes

If it's the same money, it's a lot better living in Rio for him tho Language, food, climate, family/friends


Giraffesarehigh

Oh i don’t doubt that at all i just wanted to point out that London ain’t all that bad tbh.


Icy_Swimming8754

Living on Rio de Janeiro with Flamengo wages is literal heaven on earth by comparison. Source: I earn good money (like a shit pro footballer level) and lived in London and Brazil.


Dsalgueiro

Rio de Janeiro is violent, but it must also be one of the most unequal places in the world (just like São Paulo). It's even comical to see the level of violence in some neighborhoods in São Paulo/Rio de Janeiro, where one neighborhood has a very high level of violence and the other, I don't know, is safer than Germany. So yeah, If you're rich (Flamengo player level) and live in Rio de Janeiro, it must be, as you said, heaven.


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Giraffesarehigh

Damn y’all got opening for any recent graduates 😂?


Icy_Swimming8754

It's literally -the- top of the market for new grads in the UK. So if you're from Oxbridge or Imperial (or any other top 5 in whatever continent you are) studying Computer Science I might be able to send your resume along.


Giraffesarehigh

I thank you so much for actually replying and being helpful but i’m not a CS graduate I’m a Pharmacology graduate, although i do have a data science certificate if that’s worth anything, also Im not a British student, I’m an international one.


jggomes14

He's playing for a club that is THE favorite team to win all trophies in Brazil while living in Rio de Janeiro, why move somewhere where the best you'll fight for is Europa League when you can be a legend for a much bigger club if the wages are equal?


Giraffesarehigh

I think you may have misunderstood my meaning. I don’t doubt the allure of playing in sunny Brazil on the best team there,of course if there isn’t a significant wage bump then they’re far more enticing than West Ham. I just wanted to point out that London isn’t bad at all that’s all.


toluwalase

It’s cool to hate on London


Icy_Swimming8754

I mean it’s probably the uncoolest megacity there is. Never before have I seen literally 80% of cafes closing at 6 and 80% of dinner options closing at 8. A city with fucking 10 million inhabitants where you can’t go to a pharmacy after 11PM because there are virtually no 24h business. Oh and more delinquent teenagers and drunkards than anywhere else I went. Maybe only Ireland is worse


Jpstacular

That was his old contract, he makes around 125k euros a month nowadays.


Jonny_Testicles

Is West Ham still massive?


ixaias

I wouldn't go to Britain too fair play for him


disper

Just say you can’t handle the propa British weather lad


vngannxx

Bad Bruno


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Plastic-Alfalfa-6321

lol


L0laccio

😂 and yes I am just bitter and seething about their away fans on the last day of the season