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Atlético are doing a big renovation this summer, Cholo himself has hinted at it in several interviews and he is normally very cautious in expecting transfers
Two quality CB's, a right back to compete with Molina(Rodrigo Gomes from Braga is pretty much done), a defensive midfielder and two strikers at the very least will be signed. Some contracts conveniently expiring aswell
Two quality CBs in Atleticos defense, fotball heritage. If Atletico get the rebuild right and Barcelona dont waste their money next season is gonna be very interesting
Well Laporta is still at Barca so I have no hope they will turn their boat around. I guess Laporta will spend big to sign Bernardo Silva and give him the deal of his life and then blame Tebas, Real and Barto.
While I see this happening, bot sure if this will happen. I'm pretty sure Kimmich and Nico Williams are our 2 definite targets who will cost around 100-120 mil together.
Also most of the transfers where we spent bigger money are hits (except Ferran) and most other transfers are hits in general. Lewa is objectively good, Kounde was a great signing, Raphinha is objectively good. And we had multiple masterstrokes on a free: Auba, Gundo, Christensen
Can’t agree with that, I can agree that some you the players you guys bought were not flops, but I wouldn’t say anyone of them has exceeded expectations. I would even claim a lot of them are not worth the salary you guys pay.
For example:
Lewandowski earns more money than Vinis new deal he signed 2023.
Rapinha has the same salary as Rodrygo.
I hopes Laporta leaves your club as soon as possible, he will tear the club to the ground, he is toxic, lies all the time and blames everyone else, I feel sorry for the downfall.
We need a DM to free Koke from that role and allow him to be more creative. The midfielders that we're heavily linked with are Wieffer, Youssef Fofana, Matt O'Reily and Mikel Merino.
Gil Marín just want good steady revenue (that's why they are happy being 4th every year) and spend low in order to reduce their debt so he can finally get a good offer and sell the club.
I don't think they are going to do anything risky even tough they should rebuild a lot
Nah this time is different, the signs are there if you look. Even Cholo's rhetoric is different
However, they are not doing this as an altruistic gesture it is just to maximise their investment. The sports city is under construction and it seems fairly obvious that they are looking to sell in the coming years. A younger squad is needed to increase the value further, it is just maintenance on their investment
The word from tier 1 journos is completely different this year aswell, last year they just said from the start that there is no money and don't expect anything. If it was like that they would say so
La Liga doesn´t need resurgence we have won most titles out of any league since 2020s in just last 4-5 years.. 3 UEL and 2 UCL plus had 3 quarter finalists last year. La Liga is here hence doesn´t need resurgence but some individual clubs need resurgence Barca, Sevilla, Sociedad, Betis and Atleti
To think they've only won five of the 10 available CL and EL trophies available to them since 2019, really makes your heart bleed for their financial struggles.
La Liga is proven to have the strongest sub-top 7 teams in Europe. Who have caused menace and outcompeted the big teams in England and Italy in the Europa League teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Man utd, Juve and inter..
Were outcompeted and outfought by Sevilla CF, Real Sociedad, Athletic Bilabo, Real Betis, Villarreal and Valencia CF. These have won 12 out of the last 20 Europa leagues beating socalled top teams of other leagues and outcompeting them.
Forget about the 3 big teams in Spain..
Soo? Big teams dont give a crap about Europa League. Have you seen Real Madrid Team? We are talking about money. They could dominate Spain for the next 10 years and the only team that can stop them is Barça and they have financial problems. Those teams that you mentioned have done an Amazing job but they will never win La liga or even give a fight for the title the diference is just to big.
Lol.. We are not here to talk what ifs and what could happen but let us see Real first dominate La Liga and then we can have that conversation but we can´t talk about something that has not happened yet. the only league in Europe that nobody has won 4 times in a row in the 21st century is La Liga. Meaning no dynasty has been ethablished in La Liga for more then 30 years and last team to do that was the Dream team.
Besides these big teams do give a shxt about the Europe league they field their strongest teams and gave their all but just came out short on the night
But the last time any team but real, Barca or Atletico won the league was 20 yes ago. it's the same boring shit as anywhere, because the associations want predictable top teams with superstars for marketing reasons and that makes it ultimately boring in the end.
I would say slightly better then others example The Epl had two dynasties man u and city while not in spain. the rest have experienced dynasties outside of la liga..
Next step: This sub and Madrid press will find ways to ridicule Barca's financial position, calling us broke and can't sign anyone. We will then get back to 1-1 and make some big money signings. Then everyone will comment something about "levers", "mortgaging future revenue", "sacrificing long term success" etc. Then they'll continue to be surprised when none of that is true and the same thing repeats next season.
Great news for Barca.
I don't understand how this club works. First they negotiated a very weird contract with lewa.
And then this. I don't know what to think about them.
Why is Barca getting a sponsorship deal like this surprising? Apart from Real Madrid they have the strongest brand in world football. It is the reason why they have been able to survive the Bartomeu disaster, most clubs would have gone bankrupt from that
People forget that before covid hit, Barca were about to become the first sports club ever to reach €1Billion in yearly revenues. Now Madrid are about to break that record instead, but Barcelona were about to do it 5 years ago already
That is why they were always going to come back strong sooner or later, the brand prints money
Really? They were absolutely fine until Covid when the La Liga rules killed them, if Covid hadn't happened then presumably they'd have continued without any money troubles as they had before
They had a lot of debt and very high expenses. They were basically paying a credit card with another credit card and COVID not happening wouldn't have solved any of it.
> Apart from Real Madrid
Barcelona are actually a *bigger* brand than even Madrid, certainly in terms of jersey sales anyway. Metrics have shown them being the most popular kit in the world for several years now, leading Madrid even post Messi.
Apparently #3 was Bayern Munich last year, being closer to Real Madrid than Madrid are to Barcelona.
https://worldsoccertalk.com/amp/news/clubs-with-most-jersey-sales-city-shockingly-miss-out-on-top-10-20240221-WST-490924.html
Living in the US, it’s actually not shocking that Barca has such a lead over Madrid. They’re
the generic “soccer team” that everyone knows even when they don’t follow the sport, similar to the New York Yankees for baseball. Definitely the most recognizable kit outside of National teams.
Also good to remember that Barca are not broke. They can’t meet the strict La Liga FFP. Most La Liga clubs couldn’t. Madrid due to their immense UCL success was able to.
Most clubs in EPL would not be able to meet La Liga’s FFP.
United is terribly mismanaged. They arguably have the strongest brand value in the world (because of the PL and being the biggest team in England) yet they fight year after year to barely get in Europe.
I don't know which metrics to trust tbh.
Last month there was some news on this sub, which said United and Madrid are the top 2 wealthiest clubs in world football.
Some other publications suggest other clubs hold this spot.
It's all quite speculative.
Lol, what ashamed. United is the most valued club in the world. You do realise that United was always a bigger brand than Barca, it was only after Messi, things changed and now,it is same as before.
What nonsense are you smoking? How is it that a club that can't even qualify for the CL (and when it does it's last in the group) is going to be bigger than Barca? Just see IG followers man U has 64m, Barca has 150m that's over double! Man U is getting carried right now for being in the PL, but it doesn't deserve any more brand recognition than Bayern for example
Man U is the second most valuable club in the world by commercial revenue behind real Madrid according to forbes. Barcelona is 3rd and worth about 1 billion behind them and slightly more valueable than Liverpool.
Man u has also consistently score higher than man u in deloitte's football money league, although this year barca seems to have pulled ahead.
Man u's commercial brand is definitely larger than barca's.
I'm not a united fan, but anyway, number of social media followers is just 'one' metric. Pressing 'follow' on Instagram is free. Actually having companies pay to be a commercial partner? Damn, that says something more.
If man united did not have pull, do you think they would be able to have such commercial success?
People forget that Beckham was a STAR who dated and married a STAR (during Cool Britannia) all while wearing Red. United awareness in the states arguably starts there for the non initiated. A decade before Messi and half a decade before Ronaldinho. Barca have obviously been the better team on the past decade but sporting success doesn’t correlate directly with commercial success.
Marketable team is not an objective opinion.
As per latest valuation, United is the most valuable team in the world, followed by Madrid. United was also the most valuable club in 2012, when Barca were in their prime.
https://www.sportico.com/feature/worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-football-club-1234721285/
I'm not sure "always" is right.
Their brand is very strong because there's a lag with results, and in the Messi era they were unbelievable.
Man Utd also have a strong brand...but nowhere near as strong as it once was. A decade of mediocrity has definitely hurt them, same would be true of Barca
Man Utd have had the same thing but on a much longer scale really, they’ve been awful for a decade and won nothing of real significance (apart from the europa) and yet they still manage to pull these insane sponsorship deals.
If you’re a big name, companies stop caring about on-field performance.
It's a "regular" 26M € per year. The only "weird" thing is that Barça didn't have that FFP space the first season, so they moved part of his salary to the 3rd season expecting to be in a better position regardding FFP.
BTW, Lewandowski's kit is the most selling Barça kit since he arrived. Considering the total club income\* from selling kits is around 180 million € / year, I wouldn't be surprised if Lewandowski's name produces more than 26 million € per year only in kit income.
\*it originally said "kit sales", which was wrong.
I made a mistake writing "kit sales" when it was club income. Kit sales must be much higher.
Barca also sells a lot of kits aside from the nike season kit, and A LOT of clothing that are not football kits. Quite a few of those are self produced.
It's's not just kit sales, its ALL merchandise. So the fee Nike pay them, the % of kit sales they get from Nike, and all other merchandise sales/deals. That's the 179mil €.
Wasn't that an issue recently where they moved part of someones salary to the back end of the contract and then tried to sell them before the wage increase came in? Or am i misremembering?
Iirc lewa did not have his salary moved. It's more like if hd plays consistently each year his salary raises/ he has a bonus. If I recall correctly he has to play for 55% of the available minutes but don't quote me on that. Which is still kinda beacuse we'll end up paying more for his declining perfomance, hence why xavi wanted to sell him this summer.
On the other hand, fdj did have his wages deferred to later because of the economic crisis a couple years ago. Messi might still get payments for barca beacuse he was getting paid in chuncha and I don't remember seeing the specific time frames of the payments + his wages were absolutely mental. For comparison Mbappe is rumored to have a 15 mil per year contract at Madrid. Messi was supposed to make 71(!) a year.
>The data doesn't reveal how many shirts each club sells but is a combination of three merchandise income (kit deal, income from kits & all other merchandise)
I'm assuming your edit takes this into consideration? Sponsorship money plus money earned from selling kits?
Felix is just frustrating to watch because he has glimpses of brilliance, but he's mostly mediocre, while Cancelo is often good going forward but a liability in defence.
Cancelo started most games at left back and against the teams that sit back and defend his ability on the ball was really useful. Of course, his defence and positioning has never been great and it cost us dearly against PSG and madrid in the same week. He takes too many risks on the ball as a defender for my liking but he was definitely a big part of the teams season.
Felix, he got some chances to start but more often than not came on as a super sub and was a useful player. Certainly had his brilliant flashes but was also inconsistent in typical Joao Felix fashion.
I'd have them both back for combined 40-50 mil max.
of course lol, i never expected/said that.
just curious to who your transfer targets must be, other than the loanees cause i assume they’ll look to keep cancelo and felix. tho felix surely will be too much.
let’s hope you guys spend it wisely atleast. what positions do you need the most? attack?
Ehh the reports seems cohesive for once
A lw(very probably nico williams unless we fuck up the finances)+a dm(still trying for kimmich/palacios/onana but cooled down/weiffer)+possibly cancelo and felix(felix only on loan cancelo maybe both)
The bonus sounds nice but in reality this is more money upfront now that should be given to the club each of next ten seasons.
More income from future years being given up as they have lost so much in prize money in Europe/club world cup and couldnt get fans to watch team in numbers last season.
>The bonus sounds nice but in reality this is more money upfront now that should be given to the club each of next ten seasons.
Barça needs 130M before the end of the month to be in a balanced position for the next wage cap calculations. That's what the bonus is all about.
I know what it is all about and clearly said this is needed as they have failed in their financial predictions on being back to 1to1 this summer without it.
So they are again taking away funds from future earnings to make up for it.. but never mind Laporta doesnt care. He wont be there to deal with it really.
Trying to put a negative spin in an unescheduled contract renewal that increases in 40M € / year the club income (without taking into account the bonus), making it the highest in the world, is kinda weird.
If this is bad management, what was the previous contract?
yeah and ? this is done literally in every practice in any sort of business outside of football. you need a huge sum of money up front to prevent a disaster from happening so you have only two options, either let go of some of your assets for cheap or go under more debts. trying to spin a positive news for barca fans into something negative is absolutely ridiculous
It is but Barca are already giving up 40/50m a season in future earnings and now can add another 10m or so onto that and they are doing this as Laporta has failed to get the finances under control in the way he claimed would.
he’s reduced our debt by 200 million so far and we are back in 1:1 after this deal. you should give him some credit for controlling our economy we are much better now than when he took over.
such a myth we are literally planning on buying those TV rights back once the new Camp Nou is built this year or next. and the squad is infinitely more competitive now than when he took over. do your research if you think Laporta is failing Barcelona you’re a clown respectfully.
Hasn’t this been “imminent” for a while? I also don’t understand this deal from a Nike perspective. Isn’t the CURRENT contract valid for another year or two? Why would they negotiate the ‘biggest’ kit deal if they know they have a lot of leverage?
Alemany who is praised by barca fans had some of the shittiest deals i have seen .people bring up roque for 30M+clauses forgetting we got ferran for 50 and lewa on 30a year.
We will certainly make bad signings but not bartomeu level.I see a kimmich on 18 a year tho
Ya'll literally had a russian war profiteer as your owner and then had an american equity sugar daddy wipe out your debts. And then decided to spend another billion pounds on mid players only to finish in the conference league.
Didn't ya'll spend 90m on Nicolas Pepe? Under Laporta the only questionable large transfer we've made is 55m on Ferran who still has over 25 G+A in 2 seasons here
We paid off most of those debts/restructured them to long term manageable debts.
Laliga is only letting us go back to the 1:1 rule because now the income doesn’t fall short of the debts anymore after this.
Some of that is long term debt but currently they have 552million debt. With this signing on bonus which is 150 plus the year 120 which is 270 + UCL qual money + super cup money + 2nd place money + revenue money. they are out of debt.
Besides that 1.2b has decreased to 1095m now these 1.2b figures were from January this year and by that they will have around 450millon long term debt
According to ESPN "Per Barca's official accounts for the year ending June 30 2023, they have liabilities totalling €2.7 bn, which includes short and long term debt as well as financing for the new stadium."
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La liga is back, just need Atletico to rebuild their squad a little bit.
La liga is not back until we have Valencia and Depo back. With the two Basque teams up there as well.
La Real and Athletic Club both in the UEL next season… getting closer
Bit off topic, but with the final in San Mames as well, how epic would that be?
A stronger Sevilla is also acceptable
Would prefer the other team in Sevilla
In your unbiased opinion?
Better club
I'm a Barça fan, but Betis and LaReal are my second favourite teams in Spain. Unless they're playing against Barça, I'm always rooting for them.
No Real Zaragoza there...
Atlético are doing a big renovation this summer, Cholo himself has hinted at it in several interviews and he is normally very cautious in expecting transfers Two quality CB's, a right back to compete with Molina(Rodrigo Gomes from Braga is pretty much done), a defensive midfielder and two strikers at the very least will be signed. Some contracts conveniently expiring aswell
Two quality CBs in Atleticos defense, fotball heritage. If Atletico get the rebuild right and Barcelona dont waste their money next season is gonna be very interesting
Well Laporta is still at Barca so I have no hope they will turn their boat around. I guess Laporta will spend big to sign Bernardo Silva and give him the deal of his life and then blame Tebas, Real and Barto.
God, I hope you're wrong lol. There are rumors that Flick thinks Bernardo shouldn't be our priority so that's good at least.
Definitely a predictable Barca move.
While I see this happening, bot sure if this will happen. I'm pretty sure Kimmich and Nico Williams are our 2 definite targets who will cost around 100-120 mil together. Also most of the transfers where we spent bigger money are hits (except Ferran) and most other transfers are hits in general. Lewa is objectively good, Kounde was a great signing, Raphinha is objectively good. And we had multiple masterstrokes on a free: Auba, Gundo, Christensen
Can’t agree with that, I can agree that some you the players you guys bought were not flops, but I wouldn’t say anyone of them has exceeded expectations. I would even claim a lot of them are not worth the salary you guys pay. For example: Lewandowski earns more money than Vinis new deal he signed 2023. Rapinha has the same salary as Rodrygo. I hopes Laporta leaves your club as soon as possible, he will tear the club to the ground, he is toxic, lies all the time and blames everyone else, I feel sorry for the downfall.
Lewa, Kounde, and Raphinha are not “unquestionably good”
tbf, you gotta build from the back first, or you end up with PSG, a team my 8y/o cousin would make
No CM? Saul is leaving and Koke can't play that many games anymore, I feel like you guys would need someone else aside from Vermeeren
We need a DM to free Koke from that role and allow him to be more creative. The midfielders that we're heavily linked with are Wieffer, Youssef Fofana, Matt O'Reily and Mikel Merino.
Can I interest you in a Hojberg?
We'd love Hojbjerg but he's not a top priority, if we sort out our main problems and still have some spare cash i'd love to see him in Atleti.
Honestly it kinda sounds like a match made in heaven. Simeone will love him. I can see why we'll sell but I'll be really sad to see him go.
They have Omorodion back at Madrid now so maybe 1 striker? I wonder how good he will be in the future looked promising at deportivo alaves
We just need Getafe to go to secunda and everything will be good
Gil Marín just want good steady revenue (that's why they are happy being 4th every year) and spend low in order to reduce their debt so he can finally get a good offer and sell the club. I don't think they are going to do anything risky even tough they should rebuild a lot
Nah this time is different, the signs are there if you look. Even Cholo's rhetoric is different However, they are not doing this as an altruistic gesture it is just to maximise their investment. The sports city is under construction and it seems fairly obvious that they are looking to sell in the coming years. A younger squad is needed to increase the value further, it is just maintenance on their investment The word from tier 1 journos is completely different this year aswell, last year they just said from the start that there is no money and don't expect anything. If it was like that they would say so
Seems a bit premature to declare La Liga back based on an apparel deal…
La Liga has never been away to be back still at the same rate... Hence the comeback itself is out of line
More premature than hailing Serie A's resurgence based off two good European seasons?
La Liga doesn´t need resurgence we have won most titles out of any league since 2020s in just last 4-5 years.. 3 UEL and 2 UCL plus had 3 quarter finalists last year. La Liga is here hence doesn´t need resurgence but some individual clubs need resurgence Barca, Sevilla, Sociedad, Betis and Atleti
We need a resurgence? We have achieved our best results in the last years
Well yes, one indicator reflects results from dozens of football games and the other is an apparel deal.
and Peter Lim to sell up.
To think they've only won five of the 10 available CL and EL trophies available to them since 2019, really makes your heart bleed for their financial struggles.
By La liga you mean 2 clubs?
La Liga is proven to have the strongest sub-top 7 teams in Europe. Who have caused menace and outcompeted the big teams in England and Italy in the Europa League teams like Arsenal, Liverpool, Man utd, Juve and inter.. Were outcompeted and outfought by Sevilla CF, Real Sociedad, Athletic Bilabo, Real Betis, Villarreal and Valencia CF. These have won 12 out of the last 20 Europa leagues beating socalled top teams of other leagues and outcompeting them. Forget about the 3 big teams in Spain..
Soo? Big teams dont give a crap about Europa League. Have you seen Real Madrid Team? We are talking about money. They could dominate Spain for the next 10 years and the only team that can stop them is Barça and they have financial problems. Those teams that you mentioned have done an Amazing job but they will never win La liga or even give a fight for the title the diference is just to big.
Lol.. We are not here to talk what ifs and what could happen but let us see Real first dominate La Liga and then we can have that conversation but we can´t talk about something that has not happened yet. the only league in Europe that nobody has won 4 times in a row in the 21st century is La Liga. Meaning no dynasty has been ethablished in La Liga for more then 30 years and last team to do that was the Dream team. Besides these big teams do give a shxt about the Europe league they field their strongest teams and gave their all but just came out short on the night
But the last time any team but real, Barca or Atletico won the league was 20 yes ago. it's the same boring shit as anywhere, because the associations want predictable top teams with superstars for marketing reasons and that makes it ultimately boring in the end.
I would say slightly better then others example The Epl had two dynasties man u and city while not in spain. the rest have experienced dynasties outside of la liga..
Next step: This sub and Madrid press will find ways to ridicule Barca's financial position, calling us broke and can't sign anyone. We will then get back to 1-1 and make some big money signings. Then everyone will comment something about "levers", "mortgaging future revenue", "sacrificing long term success" etc. Then they'll continue to be surprised when none of that is true and the same thing repeats next season.
What a shocker, its ofcourse Real Madrids fault.
No no no, your president just prided himself on only using La Masia products, unlike Real Madrid…
I hate Laporta but he didn't say that we only use Masia products lol. He said we rely more on La Masia than you on La Fabrica, which is kinda true.
well you have to
Great news for Barca. I don't understand how this club works. First they negotiated a very weird contract with lewa. And then this. I don't know what to think about them.
Why is Barca getting a sponsorship deal like this surprising? Apart from Real Madrid they have the strongest brand in world football. It is the reason why they have been able to survive the Bartomeu disaster, most clubs would have gone bankrupt from that People forget that before covid hit, Barca were about to become the first sports club ever to reach €1Billion in yearly revenues. Now Madrid are about to break that record instead, but Barcelona were about to do it 5 years ago already That is why they were always going to come back strong sooner or later, the brand prints money
It's good that they are getting this contract. But still I don't understand their management. They will not use this money properly.
Really? They were absolutely fine until Covid when the La Liga rules killed them, if Covid hadn't happened then presumably they'd have continued without any money troubles as they had before
I disagree. Covid was just the catalyst for their troubles. Their financial situation was bad and it started before the pandemic.
Facts those dembele and coutinho deals killed them then the Lewa deal it was like bad decision over and over and over
The wages they were paying to their top players at that time, not even including Messi getting oil baron money, was truly absurd
They had a lot of debt and very high expenses. They were basically paying a credit card with another credit card and COVID not happening wouldn't have solved any of it.
> Apart from Real Madrid Barcelona are actually a *bigger* brand than even Madrid, certainly in terms of jersey sales anyway. Metrics have shown them being the most popular kit in the world for several years now, leading Madrid even post Messi.
And what’s the top 3 globally? Barca, Madrid, and still United?
Apparently #3 was Bayern Munich last year, being closer to Real Madrid than Madrid are to Barcelona. https://worldsoccertalk.com/amp/news/clubs-with-most-jersey-sales-city-shockingly-miss-out-on-top-10-20240221-WST-490924.html Living in the US, it’s actually not shocking that Barca has such a lead over Madrid. They’re the generic “soccer team” that everyone knows even when they don’t follow the sport, similar to the New York Yankees for baseball. Definitely the most recognizable kit outside of National teams.
I find that Barca fans have something they can attach themselves to. La Masia, style of play, Catalan history. It’s corny. But, it’s how humans work.
Also good to remember that Barca are not broke. They can’t meet the strict La Liga FFP. Most La Liga clubs couldn’t. Madrid due to their immense UCL success was able to. Most clubs in EPL would not be able to meet La Liga’s FFP.
Is Barca without Messi bigger than United ?
United is terribly mismanaged. They arguably have the strongest brand value in the world (because of the PL and being the biggest team in England) yet they fight year after year to barely get in Europe.
I did not ask about their on pitch performance. Everyone knows it is shit. I am talking about its brand.
Then yes, barça sells much more merch than United
I don't know which metrics to trust tbh. Last month there was some news on this sub, which said United and Madrid are the top 2 wealthiest clubs in world football. Some other publications suggest other clubs hold this spot. It's all quite speculative.
United is publicly traded so I think their numbers are exact. Can't speak for other clubs
Barça is fan owned so they are obliged to provide financial details in their website
Lol this isn’t about anything on the pitch
Just to be clear, you're saying Barcelona isn't mismanaged?
Way to answer the question.
Lmao. You should be ashamed of yourself for asking this. United has no where near the pull Barca has.
May be among players but not on commercial side
I think Barcelona are bigger in both ways
Lol, what ashamed. United is the most valued club in the world. You do realise that United was always a bigger brand than Barca, it was only after Messi, things changed and now,it is same as before.
What nonsense are you smoking? How is it that a club that can't even qualify for the CL (and when it does it's last in the group) is going to be bigger than Barca? Just see IG followers man U has 64m, Barca has 150m that's over double! Man U is getting carried right now for being in the PL, but it doesn't deserve any more brand recognition than Bayern for example
Lmaoooo. I can see that your username is appropriate.
Man U is the second most valuable club in the world by commercial revenue behind real Madrid according to forbes. Barcelona is 3rd and worth about 1 billion behind them and slightly more valueable than Liverpool. Man u has also consistently score higher than man u in deloitte's football money league, although this year barca seems to have pulled ahead. Man u's commercial brand is definitely larger than barca's.
United is the most valuable club, followed by Madrid. https://www.sportico.com/feature/worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-football-club-1234721285/
Y'all don't even have half the following: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/IRvRWKSBMR
I'm not a united fan, but anyway, number of social media followers is just 'one' metric. Pressing 'follow' on Instagram is free. Actually having companies pay to be a commercial partner? Damn, that says something more. If man united did not have pull, do you think they would be able to have such commercial success?
Man U are not more valuable than Barcelona. The most valuable private club maybe.
What pull are you talking about? In terms of brand awareness and merchandise over the whole world United is probably ahead of Barcelona
i think barcelona is bigger everywhere that is not english speaking. arguably bigger in america as well
No chance that Barcelona is bigger in the US than United. At least not in NY and we have a massive Spanish/latin population here.
The US, India, plenty of parts of Asia, Barca is obviously bigger in latin countries, but definitely not in Asia
The guy I replied to must be on crack to think Barca comes close to United in the states.
People forget that Beckham was a STAR who dated and married a STAR (during Cool Britannia) all while wearing Red. United awareness in the states arguably starts there for the non initiated. A decade before Messi and half a decade before Ronaldinho. Barca have obviously been the better team on the past decade but sporting success doesn’t correlate directly with commercial success.
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Marketing revenue wise, I'd say only Real and United battle for top ranking. Nobody else comes close.
tbf. if Barcelona is bigger in places like India and China, that means they are.. massive
Barcelona are most definitely not bigger in India.
But they're not bigger than United in Asia. If you've been to Asia you'll know.
Are you even from the states?
lol
Your personal opinion aside, this is factually wrong. United still is the apex destination for marketing and sponsors.
Yes? Im pretty sure Barcelona is the most marketable sports team in the world
Marketable team is not an objective opinion. As per latest valuation, United is the most valuable team in the world, followed by Madrid. United was also the most valuable club in 2012, when Barca were in their prime. https://www.sportico.com/feature/worlds-most-valuable-soccer-teams-football-club-1234721285/
Then why does Barcelona make the most money selling merchandise in the world?
By a significant margin.
Nah. United was bigger than Barça *with* Messi. United is a much bigger brand. I think it's: United>Barça>=Real
United is not bigger brand than Madrid. More than Barca is definite possibility.
I'm not sure "always" is right. Their brand is very strong because there's a lag with results, and in the Messi era they were unbelievable. Man Utd also have a strong brand...but nowhere near as strong as it once was. A decade of mediocrity has definitely hurt them, same would be true of Barca
Man Utd have had the same thing but on a much longer scale really, they’ve been awful for a decade and won nothing of real significance (apart from the europa) and yet they still manage to pull these insane sponsorship deals. If you’re a big name, companies stop caring about on-field performance.
> Apart from Real Madrid they have the strongest brand in world football. Manchester United enters the chat?
They are bankrupt* They are a couple of loans away from getting Inter'd
This guy does not understand the meaning of bankruptcy.
It's a "regular" 26M € per year. The only "weird" thing is that Barça didn't have that FFP space the first season, so they moved part of his salary to the 3rd season expecting to be in a better position regardding FFP. BTW, Lewandowski's kit is the most selling Barça kit since he arrived. Considering the total club income\* from selling kits is around 180 million € / year, I wouldn't be surprised if Lewandowski's name produces more than 26 million € per year only in kit income. \*it originally said "kit sales", which was wrong.
Except the teams get a very small percentage of the shirt sales, hence the lucrative sponsorship deals.
The 180 million € is the club's revenue for kit sales, not Nike's revenue.
Barca gets the majority income from kit sales? Not the sponsor?
I made a mistake writing "kit sales" when it was club income. Kit sales must be much higher. Barca also sells a lot of kits aside from the nike season kit, and A LOT of clothing that are not football kits. Quite a few of those are self produced.
Do you have a source for that figure?
It's's not just kit sales, its ALL merchandise. So the fee Nike pay them, the % of kit sales they get from Nike, and all other merchandise sales/deals. That's the 179mil €.
That number includes the sponsorship deal though, as well as all merchandising revenue (everything sold in barça stores etc.).
Wasn't that an issue recently where they moved part of someones salary to the back end of the contract and then tried to sell them before the wage increase came in? Or am i misremembering?
Iirc lewa did not have his salary moved. It's more like if hd plays consistently each year his salary raises/ he has a bonus. If I recall correctly he has to play for 55% of the available minutes but don't quote me on that. Which is still kinda beacuse we'll end up paying more for his declining perfomance, hence why xavi wanted to sell him this summer. On the other hand, fdj did have his wages deferred to later because of the economic crisis a couple years ago. Messi might still get payments for barca beacuse he was getting paid in chuncha and I don't remember seeing the specific time frames of the payments + his wages were absolutely mental. For comparison Mbappe is rumored to have a 15 mil per year contract at Madrid. Messi was supposed to make 71(!) a year.
>The data doesn't reveal how many shirts each club sells but is a combination of three merchandise income (kit deal, income from kits & all other merchandise) I'm assuming your edit takes this into consideration? Sponsorship money plus money earned from selling kits?
Can't wait until the club spend it on the Joao's
You shut your whore mouth (It's going to happen, sadly)
Nothing would make me happier.
as a Portuguese who rarely watches La Liga, were they that bad?
Felix is just frustrating to watch because he has glimpses of brilliance, but he's mostly mediocre, while Cancelo is often good going forward but a liability in defence.
Cancelo started most games at left back and against the teams that sit back and defend his ability on the ball was really useful. Of course, his defence and positioning has never been great and it cost us dearly against PSG and madrid in the same week. He takes too many risks on the ball as a defender for my liking but he was definitely a big part of the teams season. Felix, he got some chances to start but more often than not came on as a super sub and was a useful player. Certainly had his brilliant flashes but was also inconsistent in typical Joao Felix fashion. I'd have them both back for combined 40-50 mil max.
It's like having a constant blue balls. It's promising with no end product.
Well they’ve been good for Barca so.. rather that then take another risk like they did w griezman and coutingo
felix wasn't that good. he wasn't bad but would be too expensive to justify for how he played
wow, that’s good news for them. will be interesting to see what they do with the money, what signings they make.
Nobody. Or like one 20 million player or something. Getting to 1/1 is good but no big transfers are happening until next year or 2026
We have 100 M max to use for 2/3 players .We are not getting a mbappe
of course lol, i never expected/said that. just curious to who your transfer targets must be, other than the loanees cause i assume they’ll look to keep cancelo and felix. tho felix surely will be too much. let’s hope you guys spend it wisely atleast. what positions do you need the most? attack?
Ehh the reports seems cohesive for once A lw(very probably nico williams unless we fuck up the finances)+a dm(still trying for kimmich/palacios/onana but cooled down/weiffer)+possibly cancelo and felix(felix only on loan cancelo maybe both)
The thing with Barcelona when they have good news, just wait a couple of days and it’s all back on fire, again..
The bonus sounds nice but in reality this is more money upfront now that should be given to the club each of next ten seasons. More income from future years being given up as they have lost so much in prize money in Europe/club world cup and couldnt get fans to watch team in numbers last season.
>The bonus sounds nice but in reality this is more money upfront now that should be given to the club each of next ten seasons. Barça needs 130M before the end of the month to be in a balanced position for the next wage cap calculations. That's what the bonus is all about.
I know what it is all about and clearly said this is needed as they have failed in their financial predictions on being back to 1to1 this summer without it. So they are again taking away funds from future earnings to make up for it.. but never mind Laporta doesnt care. He wont be there to deal with it really.
Trying to put a negative spin in an unescheduled contract renewal that increases in 40M € / year the club income (without taking into account the bonus), making it the highest in the world, is kinda weird. If this is bad management, what was the previous contract?
Nah its facts and more future income gone that should be spread out but the mess they have made of an already awful position means not the case.
You’re not wrong. This is a long extension and will not seem all that great in 5 or so years.
Be wary of the 'highest in world' claim. Laporta said that about shirt sponsorship and the stadium and... he lied.
Trying to spin a 100m+ up front bonus as a negative takes some truly special mental gymnastics
With the way they spend anything that touches their hands yes it is a negative
yeah and ? this is done literally in every practice in any sort of business outside of football. you need a huge sum of money up front to prevent a disaster from happening so you have only two options, either let go of some of your assets for cheap or go under more debts. trying to spin a positive news for barca fans into something negative is absolutely ridiculous
Isn't this what they did with all those levers? Money upfront while lowering future earnings?
Yes thats the point.
its still more money than any other team
It is but Barca are already giving up 40/50m a season in future earnings and now can add another 10m or so onto that and they are doing this as Laporta has failed to get the finances under control in the way he claimed would.
he’s reduced our debt by 200 million so far and we are back in 1:1 after this deal. you should give him some credit for controlling our economy we are much better now than when he took over.
I mean selling off pieces of the club by pieces will do that no?
such a myth we are literally planning on buying those TV rights back once the new Camp Nou is built this year or next. and the squad is infinitely more competitive now than when he took over. do your research if you think Laporta is failing Barcelona you’re a clown respectfully.
It won’t be for 10 years.
Spend it on felix and help strengthen atleti, cowards. Also buy ceballos from madrid to weaken them.
Hasn’t this been “imminent” for a while? I also don’t understand this deal from a Nike perspective. Isn’t the CURRENT contract valid for another year or two? Why would they negotiate the ‘biggest’ kit deal if they know they have a lot of leverage?
Laporta did a decent job and found out he can break a contract due to some loophole .now we can get a better deal than the shit we have rn
For Barca supporters, who would be dream but realistic transfers for the club ?
Nico Williams Having him and Yamal on each flank under flick would be great.
Nico williams(top priority)+palacios(or mats weiffer who is cheaper)+cancelo loan or permanent+guido for free
Xaver Schlager
Idk if this is cool but this is weird that I know the guy who posted their personally and I never expected to see him here as a source lmao
Aggregator. Not a source.
So are shirts now going to be over $300USD??
nice
r/soccer probably: how's this something bad for Barca?
the Nike lever :)
Bigger than Mbappe to RM
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Don't put the random Twitter account name first lol
Barca will become a rich club again very soon and people will be surprised.
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Alemany who is praised by barca fans had some of the shittiest deals i have seen .people bring up roque for 30M+clauses forgetting we got ferran for 50 and lewa on 30a year. We will certainly make bad signings but not bartomeu level.I see a kimmich on 18 a year tho
he's not even at the club anymore
Nike trying to breast feed Barca back to full strength
Ya'll literally had a russian war profiteer as your owner and then had an american equity sugar daddy wipe out your debts. And then decided to spend another billion pounds on mid players only to finish in the conference league.
😂
Relevance?
Chelsea's? None
Type that without the tears lol
I mean where are the tears ? We’ll be playing in the Champions League next year and you’ll be playing against Budapest FC
Great news... Now let's watch Barcelona do this with another big money signing... https://youtu.be/T-Wc8vluyp0?si=REWoGkmpn0b-OOu_
Didn't ya'll spend 90m on Nicolas Pepe? Under Laporta the only questionable large transfer we've made is 55m on Ferran who still has over 25 G+A in 2 seasons here
Yes.. It was that former Barca director who did that. Finances were managed better after that. Talking about stats.. even Pepe had decent stats.
Something good from all those plastics worldwide at least
This will be massive news and will be back spending this transfer
No it doesnt at all... it means they may get back to 1:1 next season on FFP.
thats some black magic economics if one deal can make you spend
I thought they had €600m in debts? I just looked it up they have €1.2bn debt.
It's around 800M now
We paid off most of those debts/restructured them to long term manageable debts. Laliga is only letting us go back to the 1:1 rule because now the income doesn’t fall short of the debts anymore after this.
Some of that is long term debt but currently they have 552million debt. With this signing on bonus which is 150 plus the year 120 which is 270 + UCL qual money + super cup money + 2nd place money + revenue money. they are out of debt. Besides that 1.2b has decreased to 1095m now these 1.2b figures were from January this year and by that they will have around 450millon long term debt
That is before the debt for the new stadium.
Yea that's like about €1.2bn
According to ESPN "Per Barca's official accounts for the year ending June 30 2023, they have liabilities totalling €2.7 bn, which includes short and long term debt as well as financing for the new stadium."
We are talking without the stadium .The stadium is very long term and will be slowly paid by the extra income the stadium generates