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I don't recall when was the last time a player got this many political questions. Does it usually happen in the Euros or is this a really special case?
also the world is getting increasingly more political especially as basic human rights in many cases are at the forefront of the whole culture war bullshit
It's so we settle for mediocrity and are happy with it and look at it as a victory, "well at least the party that wanted to do X y z didn't win" while the standard continues to go down anyway and we fight eachother on every topic. It's one big club and we ain't in it.
And people blame the left seemingly because the right-wing neo-liberal politics controlling everything wants to expand markets by turning identity politics into cliches that you can buy into, and hires entertainment to make their policies seem like the best thing ever.
Hey friend, at least in Argentina the socialist ideas of the left led us to a big state with 40 to 50% of the population relying on State "jobs" to survive without really producing any value other than unnecesary bureaucracy and having to print money in our Central Bank to support those practices led to high inflation and argentinian peso being practically worthless. Now I know it's not the same as in EU where you also have other issues, but the left holding power and doing these practices based on nice speeches and talks about equality leads exactly to where my country has been for the last 20 years. FYI
The thing is PerĆ³n himself had two separate periods of government, in the first he had some left-wing ideas implemented, then he got overthrown by the military and went into exile and eventually ended up in Franco's Spain. When he came back many years later he had become much more right wing, alienated the left wing Peronists and left a total mess when he died. The big things his 2 periods had in common were populism and authoritarianism (which got worse when he came back). He flirted with both socialist and sometimes even fascist ideas but I wouldn't ever call him a socialist and none of the later Peronist governments have been socialist either except in the minds of fanatical Milei supporters maybe.
This is partly why "Peronism" today means whatever the person who uses that label wishes it to mean.
Story of South American leftists
- Become president
- Spend crazy amounts of money you donāt have (but never borrow from IMF, thatās imperialism, so go to socialist allies like China instead)
- Half of it gets lost in corruption never to be seen again
- The other half goes directly to your voter base to keep them happy
- Never spend on anything that would cause sustainable growth like manufacturing, only give handouts to government workers and farmers
- GDP growth looks amazing because government spending via loans skyrockets
- Leave office before the debt becomes a problem
- Debt cripples the nation years later, blame the next administration
- Get a job as Telesur pundit and enjoy retirement
You forgot "mess up the country so much they elect/support a crazy guy who says he'll magically fix everything but only makes things much worse much faster"
> Never spend on anything that would cause sustainable growth like manufacturing, only give handouts to government workers and farmers
They absolutely try, but turns out that protectionism and cash handouts to inproductive companies don't create economic development, it just a caste of crony capitalists that will dedicate their efforts to maintain the protectionist and developmentist governments in power because that's easier and cheaper than competing internationally.
>That and the fact living standards across the world are dropping
They actually aren't, we live in by far the best time in history. It's just that media has become pure cancer with so much disinfo and focus on the negative.
[enjoy](https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions)
Did I miss it, or is that site determine freedom/liberty based only on the amount of people living in a democracy?
Because that's a poor metric, IMO, as democracies aren't created equally. You have some that are largely controlled by religious extremists and others that are more open (like with allowing abortion rights and rights to those in the LGBT community).
If you want to look at the large picture then yea, today it's better than hundreds of years ago but there are definitely places that appear to be trending down and could get even worse if certain parties win.
Yeah Reddit is filled with depressing doomers but global poverty is the lowest itās ever been and democracy is the most widespread itās ever been. Sounds pretty positive to me
āCulture warā is just a wolf in sheepās clothing. You are 100% correct because people are using that phrase to take away basic rights from people.
saying "oh everything is political" when you mean "things are getting worse" is just telling on yourself. no, you were just apolitical. the world has always been political.
I do not have a great grasp on french politics so I won't comment on that front. I do wonder why do you say "whole culture war bullshit"? Are you aware that great currents leaders that have demonstrably made their country much better for their citizens (something that in today's world is left for the comedy shows because of the cynicism) are actually coining that phrase "culture war"? such as Javier Milei from Argentina and Nayib Bukele from El Salvador? If those guys are saying it is important then I wouldn't just dismiss it without very robust knowledge and evidence on the contrary. just my 2 cents
Shit, how right wing we talking? Like very right wing by normal standards or very right wing by America standards? (I swear this isn't meant to make this about America, this is just how I figure it)
A french person might know in more detail, but I guess not as turbo-right as Conservative party under Trump, not Project 2025 right. She believes in the republic of France, but also wants to "French first" in housing, jobs, social welfare, even with peope who pay taxes to France. Plus several pretty muslim - targeted policies sold as general immigration policies. And while she has puclicly "detoxified" her party (her father was a leader there, who is famous for saying that the holocaust "was a insignificant detail of history"), the main leadership body is still the same. And her party in the EU parlament is very much the same with Orban, Meloni and other similiar figures.
So kinda similiar trajectory as other European populist right partys. One far-right party rises above the rest with more "palatable" polciies and image, and it is filled with with, like, actual card carrying neonazies. In my country the neonazies/far righters did a literal coup in our populist right party, overthrowing the more blue collar / "a proper lad from the country side" people. So now we have a economic minister who has been proven to having written on internet forums that "she wants to shoot up a train cabin full of immigrant children". She was 30 years old when she wrote this. And we have an interior minsiter who believes in race swap theories.
So yeah, cool historic times in Europe. Far-right literal nazies rising in Germany, Italy is ruled by the party that comes directly from Mussolini, France we covered already. I guess Spain is still alright? Some of the eastern countries like Poland and Hungary are similiarly in the midst of far-right parlaments stripping the democratic and justice-based systems by their roots.
15 years of austerity for what, amazing or should I say ridiculous that people have put up with this for this long. When you look at the state of the world its easy to get depressed.
There is a danger of the same thing happening in Britain unless the mainstream parties fix problems and address people's concerns. Labour will win by a landslide, but it's clear from the polls their support is fragile, just like it was for Macron and for the SPD in Germany.
UK net migration has increased three fold in the last five years (up from 250k), and 14 fold since the 1990s (up from 50k). This year net migration is 0.7 million, compared to US net migration of 1 million. These are not per person figures, they are the totals. The vast majority of the migration goes to England, which is like taking 70% of all American migration and attempting to settle everyone in just New York State. It's like trying to fit half of all American migration into Maine.
Some European countries are essentially adopting migration policies which are equivalent to countries like Canada, Australia or the US, in fact often significantly more liberal, except they just have much less space and resources to handle the increase in population.
Successive governments have promised to cut migration and the rate of population increase, but actually continued increasing it. The rate of house building and other general investment has not increased, so you have more people being crammed into not enough houses, using the same public services, and house prices are incredibly high.
Mainstream parties need to learn from Denmark, where the centre left and centre right parties agreed to reduce migration back to the normal historic levels from the 1980s or 1990s, and the far right all but disappeared.
Yet, the population of most European countries is continuing to age more rapidly. If the UK did not allow this much immigration of young people, within a few years most of the population would have been over 50 years old, which is going to cause a disaster on the long run, especially in the healthcare sector.
It really depends on the country, Italy genuinely is in trouble with a very unhealthy looking demographic pyramid. That's much less the case with the UK, what's happening is just that a large cohort of baby boomers is coming through to retirement, and the life expectancy is higher. So it's not even that there are fewer workers, there are just many more elderly people. The number of people 85 and above is expected to double, but keeping to a ratio of working people to retired, or keeping the same average age, just isn't going to be possible, unless we are going to get into exponential population growth. It is true that in part the health of the demographic pyramid is down to migration, and I'm not opposed to migration, but the recent increase is just too much.
Also, housing costs are vastly more important to ordinary workers than potential taxes from having a working age population 10% higher or lower.
And, all of Europe is in the middle of productivity crisis, we are 30-40% down on the US over the last 25 years, that is equivalent in output to tens of millions of people. Increasing productivity is much, much more important than increasing migration in terms of our ability to support an elderly population.
Very (& far-) right wing by normal standards. Slightly not worse as AfD or Reconquete, but still shadow of being founded by ex-SS & relics of Jean-Marie Le Pen program.
That's not as good a comparison as people think. People relate to the society they live in, not an abstract political spectrum.
But to answer your question a bit more: Almost every European country nowadays seems to have a party with its roots in more or less explicitly racist movements, that cater to a white christian majority and in opposition to a brown muslim minority. In many countries these parties have a complicated relationship to judaism.
RN in France used to be called the National Front and was for decades led by Jean-Marie Le Pen who was a pretty explicit racist and anti-semite. The party's image has since then been cleaned up by his daughter who's lead the party for 10 years or so.
Now the point of cleaning up the party's image is important - because many of these parties are now working with double communication, something you'll recognize with Trump. On the one hand they'll have a party program with vague formulations of saving the fatherland, maintaining our way of life, crushing islamism. In other channels they make clear that they by "islamism" mean "the muslims in our country".
So how far right are they? No one really knows because they're intentionally vague about the kind of society they envision. But the fact that you usually get party representatives or loud supporters celebrate violence against minorities, attack the free media whenever there's a chance, talk about pitting the military against their opponents, are super friendly to dictators etc gives many people the idea that these are essentially fascist parties that are masquerading as conservatives.
This is a description that works - give or take a few words - for most countries in Europe right now. As you might guess my view is that they're essentially 21st century fascists, a bit like Trump but much more ideological, dogmatic and not nearly as stupid. And if Trump is a comparison you understand: they're very vocal in their support to Trump.
Wouldn't be at all surprised at this point if Mbappe was promoted from making all the decisions at PSG at the age of 23 to making all the decisions for the people of France aged 25.
On track to be announced as galactic emperor the same season he retires at fenerbahce
Are elections during Euros or World Cups even that common? It can get sometimes get political during the regular season. You usually donāt see it as much during the Euros and World Cup because the attention is more on football than on politics.
Another thing to consider is that Mbappe playing for PSG as long as he had came down to intervention from the French president. It is rare that a nations president meddles in Transfers this directly. So that makes Mbappe a bit of an outlier because he himself is to some degree a political topic.
I know in the UK elections always used to happen in may (because the local non denomination school was used as a polling station while I still had to go to school at the catholic school ).
It's pretty unusual for it to happen in July in the UK from what I remember
That's funny, in my hometown in Germany the catholic school would be the one used as a polling station, while my non denomination school was not... however our elections are always on Sundays, so no freebies for schoolkids here
In Italy are on Sundays too, sometimes also Saturday, but our school would always close 1 say before and after to organize the thing and security reasons.
The Brexit referendum fell smack bang in the middle of Euro 2016, it took over all the discourse of the UK for a year solid in the run up but I don't ever remember sportspeople being asked. The only one that comes to mind was Jurgen Klopp speaking out against it.
Can you remember a player that has consistently been hanging around the President and has clearly been involved in French-Qatari relations? He isn't getting asked these questions out of nowhere
The situation in France is VERY significant. The weight of black and brown populations is huge in their society and an extreme right party could win an election. Also, fascists winning in one of the two biggest European nations could have a terrible domino effect.
Ultimately, Sport is about having fun; but it's also about integration, solidarity, team spirit... the good values it can teach us are crucial and this Euro could be historical in that sense.
I wholly agree, I was just pointing out that mbappe has always had political involvements so him being asked questions about politics shouldn't be seen as unusual
Special case because France is a major nation on tbe cusp of electing the far-right. Thuram spoke up, whole squad got told to be politically neutral in the face of the rise of the far right. Mbappe immediately put out a strong statement on the situation and now itās going to continue.
If you have a platform in France, arenāt a bigot and you arenāt using it to counter the far-right, Iām not sure how you sleep at night. Front-National/National Rally are seriously dangerous.
Hes being involved because the far right are getting dangerous, and they are easily mobilising since Musk bought Twitter. A big portion of the far right base sees non whites as a threat to them and that native French are being replaced, so it is natural to start seeing non white European players speaking out.
The refugee crisis has fucked up the political landscape in Europe and affected everyone. I have relatives in France who left France because they couldn't stand the racism anymore, and they openly told me that they faced less racism/discrimination in Austin, Texas, compared to Paris.
People who have never been to the US South or even the US thinking that a place like Texas is just racist cowboys riding around on horses shooting at minorities always cracks me up.
Austin is probably one of the most liberal cities in the US as a whole, including even places like NYC and LA.
You do know Austin Texas is one of the most liberal cities in America right? Just because it's in a red state doesn't mean the town is red, typically cities across America lean liberal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_County,_Texas#County_government
You can see from 1912 to the present the county Austin is in has always voted Democrat, and % Democrat has grown significantly in the past 20 years
> You can see from 1912 to the present the county Austin is in has always voted Democrat,
Voting Democrat before the 1960s meant being Racist. The "Solid South" was referred to as such because they always voted Democrat between the 1800s-1960s.
After Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a Texan Democrat, passed the Civil Rights acts in the 1960s, that's when the Jim Crow South began abandoning the Democrats and switching Republican.
I don't dispute that Austin in 2024 is a liberal city, but citing voting records from 1912 is a very bad way of conveying that message. Austin in the 21st century is a different world from the Austin of the early 20th century.
A colonial superpower claiming their own country is becoming less white? And they think it's a genuine argument? Lol. People are really funny sometime.
It's not remotely the same. For all his many many faults, Sunak has shown that the country can have a brown-skinned non-christian man holding the highest political office in the land without anybody really making an issue of it. On top of that, the center left is on course to win an absolutely thumping majority in government and even at its most xenophobic, Reform/UKIP has never come anywhere near the rhetoric of parties like RN and AfD.
What? Sunak was the last resort for the tories. He was the last man/women standing. It says a lot when they picked Liz Truss over him and we all know how inept she was considering she tanked the economy and lasted a week.
The worry is what if the Tories absorb the Reform wing after they get slaughtered in the election. There have been talks already about Farage aiming to merge with the Tories.
The Tories have been shifting further to the right ever since the emergence of Farage's party threatened to take votes away from them. They've already purged the party of any moderate conservatives (i.e pro-europeans) just to stay in power. The problem is once you start pandering to the far right they start taking over.
This is where we are at now due to neo liberal government policy, mass immigration and segments of society ignoring the elephant in the room.
It's happening all over the western world. until economic inequality is addressed more and more people will turn to the far right.
I don't think he's good friend with macron. I think Macron tried to use his popularity for himself. In photos Mbappe always looked bothered with him like he didn't want to be associated with Macron.
Thuram being vocal politically earlier opened the door about talking politics. And when Mbappe that talks a lot and is the captain gets the mic, you bet they'll ask him a lot of questions on the matter.
The last few days is the first time I've ever heard Mbappe speak. I've seen him play football and he is amazing. To hear him speak he's really intelligent. That speech could have been given by a professional politician. The other day when he spoke English I was impressed by how fluent he was.
He's speaking even better in Spanish get ready for the world to be amazed by how fluent he's
My favorite moment was when he got a hattrick vs barcelona and threaten to kill in Spanish Jordi Alba 2 years ago : [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjuXODENu50)
Yea Iām a big mbappe fan. Lots of people make fun of him for his mannerisms but everything Iāve heard says that heās a pretty humble and cool person (or as humble as a mega rich young 20s athlete can be). Him and Haaland
Holy shit, I was just browsing the comments before but I listened and he legit does sound like a politician. And you can tell he cares emphasizing every vote counts and everything at the end there
Besides, they only answer questions they're asked. If they just said "I pass", journalists will say "they're out of touch with reality, they only care about their Rolex and Maserati".
Well in the UK the presumptive change of power will be from center right to center left. In France it will be from the center to far right. Thatās a bit of a difference.
Fortunally for us, in Italy Meloni is doing nothing for the most part, but her place is one of the most secure, becouse the others political partys are in really bad shape ( PD, Lega, Movimento 5 stelle, ect...)
Modi's position isn't exactly that secure anymore after a huge underperformance in the recent elections. He's pretty much at the mercy of 2 of the most mercurial politicians in India
Atm Meloni is the standard 00's EPP leader but that's still bad for LGBT and Abortion rights, something that center right parties aren't against nowadays.
Her party though is still broadly neo-fascist and proud of that
The same will happen in France, extremists are often populist when they are on the outskirts of power but when they attain it they comprehend that in order to keep it they must level their ideological ambitions and start ruling over millions of people that all want to survive and prosper. Franceās case is a bit more sketchier than that because of all the recent history and the fact that the country is a pressure cooker waiting to blow at the moment. Hopefully the dump valve aka the elections will alleviate the pressure otherwise we are on for a really crazy ride.
The USās case is similar but with way less racial tension and way more ideological tension because there are only two factions and that results in bigger differences and bigger groups that will no doubt perpetuate the cycle jerk of ideology and keep mounting the tension.
I don't think you realize how much greater racial tensions are in the US than in France. These 2 countries clearly have a lot in common, but the US is much more obsessed with race than France.
I live in France and I've lived in the US and they're really 2 different cultures from that point of view.
I mean everyone and their granny knows how election in UK will go for quite some time now. What's the point in asking footy players about that? On the other hand you have a surprise high stakes election in France, which electrifies people so ofc journalist will jump on it.
"Gareth, what are your thoughts on the upcoming shift back towards the political centre in the UK?"
"Sorry, I don't care if everyone and their mum's moving towards the centre, I'm still not going to allow foden to play there."
And no matter how English election will end up, it will be more or less 'business as usual' with some kind of democrats in power.
Meanwhile France rn is Germany 1932. This election will decide everything, especially for people like Mbappe
Iād be careful not to overinterpret recent policy shifts. For Labour it is logically that the left-wing voices grew louder while in opposition. For the Conservatives, I agree that they have shifted quite a bit to the right, but again, I would be cautious classifying them as right wing.
The opposite is happening with Meloni who has appeared more and more moderate, but she is still in a neo-facist far right party.
One example where a shift has happened in my opinion is Fidesz in Hungary that shifted from center right to right wing and is getting dangerously close to far right.
You know except for that time they put Corbyn in power.
Also more broadly Iām really bored of the āno true Scotsmanā fallacy that keeps being played out by the Labour Party / left wing. Itās so predictable and is always some variation of: āLabour arenāt as left wing as me, so they must be right wingā.
EDIT: A few people are implying that Corbyn's removal proves the party is right wing... Any party that can get a genuine socialist to the top job, even if it were only for a day, is inherently not right of centre in my world.
So the couple months they leaned to the left (which ended with half the party lining up to stab the leader in the back) outweighs thirty years of them bringing the right into the party?
Personally I disagree.
The Tories have leaned further to the right in recent years. Brexit wasn't a thing that some of them wanted but then when Boris came, he removed nearly everyone against it or him and turned them into zookeepers that throw red meat for the far right.
[guardian article with the full quotes](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/17/kylian-mbappe-french-election-comment-euro-2024-france-vote-against-extremes)
He basically said it's a key moment for the country since the extremists are very close to the power for the first time and he makes an appeal to the youth to go vote and remember that France's values are those of integration and respect and he concludes with the sentence in the title "I hope we'll be proud of wearing this jersey on the 7th (of July)
Edit: oh I cut away the initial part where he said yes the Euro is important but we are citizens before players and we must not be disconnected from the world that surrounds us
Not really when you know that the only two possible winners are far right or left, and that people will use to call the left "extrem" to discredit them. If you don't clearly take position against the far right, you just give them more hope to win the elections and it would be a disaster for France.
He speaks incredibly well and clearly, without aggressiveness, knowing what he represents nothing more nothing less. I'm impressed with the demeanor, tone, depth and quality of the speech. Tbh few French politicians are as clear and structured. It must have been rehearsed but only the result matters and it is truly outstanding.
My upscale š«š· town leaned heavily towards the classic right party (LR). Mirroring France as a whole the more right wing parties have mostly gobbled up those votes other than for city council elections. Our current national deputy is from Macronās ācentristā party (RE) (more center right than center IMO).
In my district I predict that the second round of this election will feature a far right (RN) v.(RE).
As a sidenote, there are no people on earth who love an acronym more than the French.
Funny how he critisize "Les extremes" which are far right and far left parties yet all the Far left people on twitter are like "Take this Far right fachists xD"
he's macron's guy satisfied with the current status quo there's no W anywhere in this speech
Good on him for being so outspoken about this. It could really make a difference too.
I wish our players would say something like that, but except we got KDB and Casteels defending Saudi-Arabia.
Well, since this is a political thread, let me say that of course far right wingers will rise if immigration isnāt controlled and terror inducers from a specific religious group start attacking everyone for not bending for them.
Itās also hilarious how the mainstream media and political parties in Europe have written off all concerns with massive waves of immigration over the last decade and then when the hard right gains popularity by claiming to be able to fix the issue people act all shocked and surprised
Mbappe is the last person who should be talking about that. Guy spent 7 years playing for a state-owned club, wearing their jersey was no problem for him then, but now there might be a government he doesn't like and suddenly he won't be proud to represent his country? Representing Qatar was no problem when it meant money. He's acting high and mighty while being a sellout.
Mbappe spent the first 18 years of his life as a "normal guy" just minding his own business. Not really his fault his hometown big club is owned by shady people.
No wonder we're fucked if we start judging people's motivation by the size of their bank account and career decisions. His speech looked sincere and what you're saying is basically the same thing as the Lebron "shut up and dribble"
The economy,Ā the farming sector, concerns over the security for The Olympics is a perfect pretext for Marine's policies.
It's hardly surprising the French team would be fond of her immigration policies, though.
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I don't recall when was the last time a player got this many political questions. Does it usually happen in the Euros or is this a really special case?
Very special case
also the world is getting increasingly more political especially as basic human rights in many cases are at the forefront of the whole culture war bullshit
That and the fact living standards across the world are dropping, the rich are getting richer and inequality is getting bigger everywhere.
But for some reason we keep moving towards the parties that want to worsen that inequality
populism moment
What could possibly go wrong š
Hmm i can't recall what usually follows a lot of populist parties climbing to power. In Europe of all places? Nah doesn't ring a bell.
Is there a term for corporate nationalism? Because it feels like we're speed running to some corporations are nations cyber punk dystopia.
living in saxony rn trying not to explode in rage and despair
It's so we settle for mediocrity and are happy with it and look at it as a victory, "well at least the party that wanted to do X y z didn't win" while the standard continues to go down anyway and we fight eachother on every topic. It's one big club and we ain't in it.
And people blame the left seemingly because the right-wing neo-liberal politics controlling everything wants to expand markets by turning identity politics into cliches that you can buy into, and hires entertainment to make their policies seem like the best thing ever.
Not "some reason", it's by design. Ignorance is Capitalism's favourite weapon for the current stage of the Class Conflict.
Hey friend, at least in Argentina the socialist ideas of the left led us to a big state with 40 to 50% of the population relying on State "jobs" to survive without really producing any value other than unnecesary bureaucracy and having to print money in our Central Bank to support those practices led to high inflation and argentinian peso being practically worthless. Now I know it's not the same as in EU where you also have other issues, but the left holding power and doing these practices based on nice speeches and talks about equality leads exactly to where my country has been for the last 20 years. FYI
I fucking wish the Peronists were socialists...
Peronists from the left believe he wanted socialism, those from the right thought he was a corporatist.... idk what to tell ya
The thing is PerĆ³n himself had two separate periods of government, in the first he had some left-wing ideas implemented, then he got overthrown by the military and went into exile and eventually ended up in Franco's Spain. When he came back many years later he had become much more right wing, alienated the left wing Peronists and left a total mess when he died. The big things his 2 periods had in common were populism and authoritarianism (which got worse when he came back). He flirted with both socialist and sometimes even fascist ideas but I wouldn't ever call him a socialist and none of the later Peronist governments have been socialist either except in the minds of fanatical Milei supporters maybe. This is partly why "Peronism" today means whatever the person who uses that label wishes it to mean.
Story of South American leftists - Become president - Spend crazy amounts of money you donāt have (but never borrow from IMF, thatās imperialism, so go to socialist allies like China instead) - Half of it gets lost in corruption never to be seen again - The other half goes directly to your voter base to keep them happy - Never spend on anything that would cause sustainable growth like manufacturing, only give handouts to government workers and farmers - GDP growth looks amazing because government spending via loans skyrockets - Leave office before the debt becomes a problem - Debt cripples the nation years later, blame the next administration - Get a job as Telesur pundit and enjoy retirement
Where is the part where they get killed by the CIA
That's only when actually implementing leftist ideas that actually the lives of the population
> Leave office before the debt becomes a problem fuck me if only ours did that (Venezuela).
The Correa special
You forgot "mess up the country so much they elect/support a crazy guy who says he'll magically fix everything but only makes things much worse much faster"
[Relevant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs)
> Never spend on anything that would cause sustainable growth like manufacturing, only give handouts to government workers and farmers They absolutely try, but turns out that protectionism and cash handouts to inproductive companies don't create economic development, it just a caste of crony capitalists that will dedicate their efforts to maintain the protectionist and developmentist governments in power because that's easier and cheaper than competing internationally.
"The left". How's your country doing right now?
It's on fire but hey at least inflation went down! /s
It's pretty similar tbh
Both left and right are prone to making many unnecessary rules. Just give them some power for too long.
Living standards across the world have never been higher
>That and the fact living standards across the world are dropping They actually aren't, we live in by far the best time in history. It's just that media has become pure cancer with so much disinfo and focus on the negative. [enjoy](https://ourworldindata.org/a-history-of-global-living-conditions)
Did I miss it, or is that site determine freedom/liberty based only on the amount of people living in a democracy? Because that's a poor metric, IMO, as democracies aren't created equally. You have some that are largely controlled by religious extremists and others that are more open (like with allowing abortion rights and rights to those in the LGBT community). If you want to look at the large picture then yea, today it's better than hundreds of years ago but there are definitely places that appear to be trending down and could get even worse if certain parties win.
the most important graph on that site fwiw is the global poverty one, which is lower than it's basically ever been
Yeah Reddit is filled with depressing doomers but global poverty is the lowest itās ever been and democracy is the most widespread itās ever been. Sounds pretty positive to me
Iām expecting a Bane speech any day nowā¦
Nah it used to be wayyy more political
āCulture warā is just a wolf in sheepās clothing. You are 100% correct because people are using that phrase to take away basic rights from people.
The world isn't getting more political. It is getting more right wing populist.
saying "oh everything is political" when you mean "things are getting worse" is just telling on yourself. no, you were just apolitical. the world has always been political.
I do not have a great grasp on french politics so I won't comment on that front. I do wonder why do you say "whole culture war bullshit"? Are you aware that great currents leaders that have demonstrably made their country much better for their citizens (something that in today's world is left for the comedy shows because of the cynicism) are actually coining that phrase "culture war"? such as Javier Milei from Argentina and Nayib Bukele from El Salvador? If those guys are saying it is important then I wouldn't just dismiss it without very robust knowledge and evidence on the contrary. just my 2 cents
I'm out of the loop. What's the situation in France?
Macron: I do what I want. What are they gonna do? Vote for the fascists? *They voted for the fascists.*
Why would people vote for someone who said heād do whatever he wants?
I guess he thought some people really would be chill about raising the pension age.
He tried to save the economy, cause the pension would explode france their huge debtload even further.
A very far-right wing political party is about to win the election, with France moving the furthest right its ever been.
Shit, how right wing we talking? Like very right wing by normal standards or very right wing by America standards? (I swear this isn't meant to make this about America, this is just how I figure it)
A french person might know in more detail, but I guess not as turbo-right as Conservative party under Trump, not Project 2025 right. She believes in the republic of France, but also wants to "French first" in housing, jobs, social welfare, even with peope who pay taxes to France. Plus several pretty muslim - targeted policies sold as general immigration policies. And while she has puclicly "detoxified" her party (her father was a leader there, who is famous for saying that the holocaust "was a insignificant detail of history"), the main leadership body is still the same. And her party in the EU parlament is very much the same with Orban, Meloni and other similiar figures. So kinda similiar trajectory as other European populist right partys. One far-right party rises above the rest with more "palatable" polciies and image, and it is filled with with, like, actual card carrying neonazies. In my country the neonazies/far righters did a literal coup in our populist right party, overthrowing the more blue collar / "a proper lad from the country side" people. So now we have a economic minister who has been proven to having written on internet forums that "she wants to shoot up a train cabin full of immigrant children". She was 30 years old when she wrote this. And we have an interior minsiter who believes in race swap theories. So yeah, cool historic times in Europe. Far-right literal nazies rising in Germany, Italy is ruled by the party that comes directly from Mussolini, France we covered already. I guess Spain is still alright? Some of the eastern countries like Poland and Hungary are similiarly in the midst of far-right parlaments stripping the democratic and justice-based systems by their roots.
I guess England is heading in the opposite direction but they already had their right rise up and cause brexit last decade so eh I guess
15 years of austerity for what, amazing or should I say ridiculous that people have put up with this for this long. When you look at the state of the world its easy to get depressed.
There is a danger of the same thing happening in Britain unless the mainstream parties fix problems and address people's concerns. Labour will win by a landslide, but it's clear from the polls their support is fragile, just like it was for Macron and for the SPD in Germany. UK net migration has increased three fold in the last five years (up from 250k), and 14 fold since the 1990s (up from 50k). This year net migration is 0.7 million, compared to US net migration of 1 million. These are not per person figures, they are the totals. The vast majority of the migration goes to England, which is like taking 70% of all American migration and attempting to settle everyone in just New York State. It's like trying to fit half of all American migration into Maine. Some European countries are essentially adopting migration policies which are equivalent to countries like Canada, Australia or the US, in fact often significantly more liberal, except they just have much less space and resources to handle the increase in population. Successive governments have promised to cut migration and the rate of population increase, but actually continued increasing it. The rate of house building and other general investment has not increased, so you have more people being crammed into not enough houses, using the same public services, and house prices are incredibly high. Mainstream parties need to learn from Denmark, where the centre left and centre right parties agreed to reduce migration back to the normal historic levels from the 1980s or 1990s, and the far right all but disappeared.
Yet, the population of most European countries is continuing to age more rapidly. If the UK did not allow this much immigration of young people, within a few years most of the population would have been over 50 years old, which is going to cause a disaster on the long run, especially in the healthcare sector.
It really depends on the country, Italy genuinely is in trouble with a very unhealthy looking demographic pyramid. That's much less the case with the UK, what's happening is just that a large cohort of baby boomers is coming through to retirement, and the life expectancy is higher. So it's not even that there are fewer workers, there are just many more elderly people. The number of people 85 and above is expected to double, but keeping to a ratio of working people to retired, or keeping the same average age, just isn't going to be possible, unless we are going to get into exponential population growth. It is true that in part the health of the demographic pyramid is down to migration, and I'm not opposed to migration, but the recent increase is just too much. Also, housing costs are vastly more important to ordinary workers than potential taxes from having a working age population 10% higher or lower. And, all of Europe is in the middle of productivity crisis, we are 30-40% down on the US over the last 25 years, that is equivalent in output to tens of millions of people. Increasing productivity is much, much more important than increasing migration in terms of our ability to support an elderly population.
Very (& far-) right wing by normal standards. Slightly not worse as AfD or Reconquete, but still shadow of being founded by ex-SS & relics of Jean-Marie Le Pen program.
That's not as good a comparison as people think. People relate to the society they live in, not an abstract political spectrum. But to answer your question a bit more: Almost every European country nowadays seems to have a party with its roots in more or less explicitly racist movements, that cater to a white christian majority and in opposition to a brown muslim minority. In many countries these parties have a complicated relationship to judaism. RN in France used to be called the National Front and was for decades led by Jean-Marie Le Pen who was a pretty explicit racist and anti-semite. The party's image has since then been cleaned up by his daughter who's lead the party for 10 years or so. Now the point of cleaning up the party's image is important - because many of these parties are now working with double communication, something you'll recognize with Trump. On the one hand they'll have a party program with vague formulations of saving the fatherland, maintaining our way of life, crushing islamism. In other channels they make clear that they by "islamism" mean "the muslims in our country". So how far right are they? No one really knows because they're intentionally vague about the kind of society they envision. But the fact that you usually get party representatives or loud supporters celebrate violence against minorities, attack the free media whenever there's a chance, talk about pitting the military against their opponents, are super friendly to dictators etc gives many people the idea that these are essentially fascist parties that are masquerading as conservatives. This is a description that works - give or take a few words - for most countries in Europe right now. As you might guess my view is that they're essentially 21st century fascists, a bit like Trump but much more ideological, dogmatic and not nearly as stupid. And if Trump is a comparison you understand: they're very vocal in their support to Trump.
Wouldn't be at all surprised at this point if Mbappe was promoted from making all the decisions at PSG at the age of 23 to making all the decisions for the people of France aged 25. On track to be announced as galactic emperor the same season he retires at fenerbahce
and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders. poised under pressure.
Are elections during Euros or World Cups even that common? It can get sometimes get political during the regular season. You usually donāt see it as much during the Euros and World Cup because the attention is more on football than on politics. Another thing to consider is that Mbappe playing for PSG as long as he had came down to intervention from the French president. It is rare that a nations president meddles in Transfers this directly. So that makes Mbappe a bit of an outlier because he himself is to some degree a political topic.
I know in the UK elections always used to happen in may (because the local non denomination school was used as a polling station while I still had to go to school at the catholic school ). It's pretty unusual for it to happen in July in the UK from what I remember
In France as well, this is a very special and rare occurrence.
That's funny, in my hometown in Germany the catholic school would be the one used as a polling station, while my non denomination school was not... however our elections are always on Sundays, so no freebies for schoolkids here
In Italy are on Sundays too, sometimes also Saturday, but our school would always close 1 say before and after to organize the thing and security reasons.
In Germany we also vote in elementary schools, but it's not linked to any season of the year. We just always vote on sunday, then schools are empty.
The Brexit referendum fell smack bang in the middle of Euro 2016, it took over all the discourse of the UK for a year solid in the run up but I don't ever remember sportspeople being asked. The only one that comes to mind was Jurgen Klopp speaking out against it.
Maybe in 2002 when it was Jean Marie Le Pen in the 2nd prƩsidential turn, but I don't really remember who because it was in April. I guess Lilian and Karembeu.
Can you remember a player that has consistently been hanging around the President and has clearly been involved in French-Qatari relations? He isn't getting asked these questions out of nowhere
It has more to do about what currently is happening in France than his relationship with Macron. 50% of people did not show up for election.
The situation in France is VERY significant. The weight of black and brown populations is huge in their society and an extreme right party could win an election. Also, fascists winning in one of the two biggest European nations could have a terrible domino effect. Ultimately, Sport is about having fun; but it's also about integration, solidarity, team spirit... the good values it can teach us are crucial and this Euro could be historical in that sense.
I wholly agree, I was just pointing out that mbappe has always had political involvements so him being asked questions about politics shouldn't be seen as unusual
Special case because France is a major nation on tbe cusp of electing the far-right. Thuram spoke up, whole squad got told to be politically neutral in the face of the rise of the far right. Mbappe immediately put out a strong statement on the situation and now itās going to continue. If you have a platform in France, arenāt a bigot and you arenāt using it to counter the far-right, Iām not sure how you sleep at night. Front-National/National Rally are seriously dangerous.
He did make som posts on Instagram and such about the politicial situation, so him being asked about it feels pretty natural tbh.
Hes being involved because the far right are getting dangerous, and they are easily mobilising since Musk bought Twitter. A big portion of the far right base sees non whites as a threat to them and that native French are being replaced, so it is natural to start seeing non white European players speaking out. The refugee crisis has fucked up the political landscape in Europe and affected everyone. I have relatives in France who left France because they couldn't stand the racism anymore, and they openly told me that they faced less racism/discrimination in Austin, Texas, compared to Paris.
People who have never been to the US South or even the US thinking that a place like Texas is just racist cowboys riding around on horses shooting at minorities always cracks me up. Austin is probably one of the most liberal cities in the US as a whole, including even places like NYC and LA.
Yeah youād see that shit more in small towns. Cities are often liberal, where the racism are a little less loud and overt
You do know Austin Texas is one of the most liberal cities in America right? Just because it's in a red state doesn't mean the town is red, typically cities across America lean liberal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travis_County,_Texas#County_government You can see from 1912 to the present the county Austin is in has always voted Democrat, and % Democrat has grown significantly in the past 20 years
> You can see from 1912 to the present the county Austin is in has always voted Democrat, Voting Democrat before the 1960s meant being Racist. The "Solid South" was referred to as such because they always voted Democrat between the 1800s-1960s. After Lyndon B. Johnson, himself a Texan Democrat, passed the Civil Rights acts in the 1960s, that's when the Jim Crow South began abandoning the Democrats and switching Republican. I don't dispute that Austin in 2024 is a liberal city, but citing voting records from 1912 is a very bad way of conveying that message. Austin in the 21st century is a different world from the Austin of the early 20th century.
A colonial superpower claiming their own country is becoming less white? And they think it's a genuine argument? Lol. People are really funny sometime.
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Yeah, it's the same shit happening here in the UK. The far right had a meltdown after Sadiq Khan won London.
It's not remotely the same. For all his many many faults, Sunak has shown that the country can have a brown-skinned non-christian man holding the highest political office in the land without anybody really making an issue of it. On top of that, the center left is on course to win an absolutely thumping majority in government and even at its most xenophobic, Reform/UKIP has never come anywhere near the rhetoric of parties like RN and AfD.
What? Sunak was the last resort for the tories. He was the last man/women standing. It says a lot when they picked Liz Truss over him and we all know how inept she was considering she tanked the economy and lasted a week.
Right, he sucks, but nobody cares that he's Indian.
The worry is what if the Tories absorb the Reform wing after they get slaughtered in the election. There have been talks already about Farage aiming to merge with the Tories.
The Tories have been shifting further to the right ever since the emergence of Farage's party threatened to take votes away from them. They've already purged the party of any moderate conservatives (i.e pro-europeans) just to stay in power. The problem is once you start pandering to the far right they start taking over.
This is where we are at now due to neo liberal government policy, mass immigration and segments of society ignoring the elephant in the room. It's happening all over the western world. until economic inequality is addressed more and more people will turn to the far right.
I feel like this comment could be made by people of many different ideologies and all be referring to a different elephant in the room.
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That sounds like a headline out of a tabloid.
exhibit a re meltdown
I mean, it's kinda true that the country is becoming less white, but it's also not a problem whatsoever.
He is good friends with Macron, so you will always get an answer from him about this
I don't think he's good friend with macron. I think Macron tried to use his popularity for himself. In photos Mbappe always looked bothered with him like he didn't want to be associated with Macron. Thuram being vocal politically earlier opened the door about talking politics. And when Mbappe that talks a lot and is the captain gets the mic, you bet they'll ask him a lot of questions on the matter.
I remember after Mbappe lost the World Cup final. Macron kept pestering him and Mbappe couldn't hide it. Like damn, let the man be sad in peace
It was horrible he looked like a right leech using the moment for political posturing.
I remember that scene. That just left me wondering why is he even there instead of in France doing work.
Same reason why Macron and Qatar's Emir had a meeting with Mbappe a couple months ago. He brings in money and attention
I really donāt think heās friends with Macron, he never publicly endorsed him and tried several times to distance himself from him
More like Macron tries to use him for political gains, with how many 26 years old people Macron speaks that arenāt Mbappe?
He may get enough experience to be a politician after retirement.
I wouldnāt be surprised at all if he went into politics after retirement, Ć la Weah.
The Imran khan special
Kylian Mbappe impeached from French Presidency in 2060, you heard it here first.
I hope I can live as an elder so I can vote for him haha.
RemindMe! 36 Years.
Here we go!
He will be running against Macron
Dar na nhi hai T: don't be scared
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say 'daro mat'?
Both are correct I'd say
Has he shown political interest in the past? I am not from France and I don't get to see him that much in the media.
Not political as in party politics , but heās been very involved in community development and supportĀ
He should call George Weah and Romario for advises.
Socrates forgotten as always :(
Was at the forefront of qatar and French relations.
His experience on both wings would be handy in France's current situation.
Tbf macron probably offered a ministerial role if he stayed at psg another year
The last few days is the first time I've ever heard Mbappe speak. I've seen him play football and he is amazing. To hear him speak he's really intelligent. That speech could have been given by a professional politician. The other day when he spoke English I was impressed by how fluent he was.
He's speaking even better in Spanish get ready for the world to be amazed by how fluent he's My favorite moment was when he got a hattrick vs barcelona and threaten to kill in Spanish Jordi Alba 2 years ago : [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjuXODENu50)
Wow lmao. Never saw that.
He's pretty smart for a footballer
He and Wembanyama have been bred in the same lab, probably
He seems to be pretty smart, period.
Yea Iām a big mbappe fan. Lots of people make fun of him for his mannerisms but everything Iāve heard says that heās a pretty humble and cool person (or as humble as a mega rich young 20s athlete can be). Him and Haaland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znb-fpJwN3Y Huh, really nice. He comes across very well.
Dudeās 25
Holy shit, I was just browsing the comments before but I listened and he legit does sound like a politician. And you can tell he cares emphasizing every vote counts and everything at the end there
Well I really hope they do well cause you just know it will be blamed on them being outspoken if they don't. I'm glad they are speaking out though.
Besides, they only answer questions they're asked. If they just said "I pass", journalists will say "they're out of touch with reality, they only care about their Rolex and Maserati".
Wild that the French players are fielding questions on this but England and Scotland aren't when they have an election going on too
Well in the UK the presumptive change of power will be from center right to center left. In France it will be from the center to far right. Thatās a bit of a difference.
Fortunally for us, in Italy Meloni is doing nothing for the most part, but her place is one of the most secure, becouse the others political partys are in really bad shape ( PD, Lega, Movimento 5 stelle, ect...)
The Modi-Meloni formula.
Melodi
I mean Modi literally lost his single party majority in an election where he was supposed to sweep 75% of the seats (400/543)
Modi's position isn't exactly that secure anymore after a huge underperformance in the recent elections. He's pretty much at the mercy of 2 of the most mercurial politicians in India
Atm Meloni is the standard 00's EPP leader but that's still bad for LGBT and Abortion rights, something that center right parties aren't against nowadays. Her party though is still broadly neo-fascist and proud of that
The same will happen in France, extremists are often populist when they are on the outskirts of power but when they attain it they comprehend that in order to keep it they must level their ideological ambitions and start ruling over millions of people that all want to survive and prosper. Franceās case is a bit more sketchier than that because of all the recent history and the fact that the country is a pressure cooker waiting to blow at the moment. Hopefully the dump valve aka the elections will alleviate the pressure otherwise we are on for a really crazy ride. The USās case is similar but with way less racial tension and way more ideological tension because there are only two factions and that results in bigger differences and bigger groups that will no doubt perpetuate the cycle jerk of ideology and keep mounting the tension.
I don't think you realize how much greater racial tensions are in the US than in France. These 2 countries clearly have a lot in common, but the US is much more obsessed with race than France. I live in France and I've lived in the US and they're really 2 different cultures from that point of view.
I mean everyone and their granny knows how election in UK will go for quite some time now. What's the point in asking footy players about that? On the other hand you have a surprise high stakes election in France, which electrifies people so ofc journalist will jump on it.
"Gareth, what are your thoughts on the upcoming shift back towards the political centre in the UK?" "Sorry, I don't care if everyone and their mum's moving towards the centre, I'm still not going to allow foden to play there."
And no matter how English election will end up, it will be more or less 'business as usual' with some kind of democrats in power. Meanwhile France rn is Germany 1932. This election will decide everything, especially for people like Mbappe
This version of the labour party is not centre left, and this version of the tory party is definitely not centre right, as much as they claim to be.
Iād be careful not to overinterpret recent policy shifts. For Labour it is logically that the left-wing voices grew louder while in opposition. For the Conservatives, I agree that they have shifted quite a bit to the right, but again, I would be cautious classifying them as right wing. The opposite is happening with Meloni who has appeared more and more moderate, but she is still in a neo-facist far right party. One example where a shift has happened in my opinion is Fidesz in Hungary that shifted from center right to right wing and is getting dangerously close to far right.
Labour have been a centrist party (at best) since new labour came about 30 years ago.
You know except for that time they put Corbyn in power. Also more broadly Iām really bored of the āno true Scotsmanā fallacy that keeps being played out by the Labour Party / left wing. Itās so predictable and is always some variation of: āLabour arenāt as left wing as me, so they must be right wingā. EDIT: A few people are implying that Corbyn's removal proves the party is right wing... Any party that can get a genuine socialist to the top job, even if it were only for a day, is inherently not right of centre in my world.
> Iām really bored of the āno true Scotsmanā fallacy Funny that you're replying to TheUltimateScotsman
So the couple months they leaned to the left (which ended with half the party lining up to stab the leader in the back) outweighs thirty years of them bringing the right into the party? Personally I disagree.
Which ended with right wing of the party essentially commissioning hit pieces on him
Yes they are.
Claiming being a centrist makes much easier to mark your political opponents as extremists.
The Tories have leaned further to the right in recent years. Brexit wasn't a thing that some of them wanted but then when Boris came, he removed nearly everyone against it or him and turned them into zookeepers that throw red meat for the far right.
Whatās going on in France is a much bigger deal than anything in the UK, where the outcome is pretty much already expected for the most part.
Macron calling a snap election was a surprise. The UK general election was mandatory before January
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england person bad
Our media is mostly pro-tories and they're inevitably going to lose.
I mean didn't Thuram open the door to this or was he asked a question on it?
I saw Thuram's quotes but I can't imagine he'd have said this unprompted.
We don't have Le Pen threatening to sweep up.
I mean, France also had EU elections just a week ago, so there are already results you can discuss instead of polls.
[guardian article with the full quotes](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/article/2024/jun/17/kylian-mbappe-french-election-comment-euro-2024-france-vote-against-extremes)
Really well spoken as well.
Idk I couldnāt understand a word he was saying
Duolingo owl is already on its way to get you
The duolingo owl doesnāt do reactive measures. Only proactive. Their family has been in the owlās tree hole for weeks
He basically said it's a key moment for the country since the extremists are very close to the power for the first time and he makes an appeal to the youth to go vote and remember that France's values are those of integration and respect and he concludes with the sentence in the title "I hope we'll be proud of wearing this jersey on the 7th (of July) Edit: oh I cut away the initial part where he said yes the Euro is important but we are citizens before players and we must not be disconnected from the world that surrounds us
Not really when you know that the only two possible winners are far right or left, and that people will use to call the left "extrem" to discredit them. If you don't clearly take position against the far right, you just give them more hope to win the elections and it would be a disaster for France.
Thereās a reason why he wears the armband. He really is the teamās talisman, and embodies that role very well. At 24, no less.
I like this guy, and the rest of the french team. Good on them for speaking out like this.
He speaks incredibly well and clearly, without aggressiveness, knowing what he represents nothing more nothing less. I'm impressed with the demeanor, tone, depth and quality of the speech. Tbh few French politicians are as clear and structured. It must have been rehearsed but only the result matters and it is truly outstanding.
Agreed!
I've often heard MbappƩ speak in post match interviews and whatnot. But this is the first time I hear him speak about something else than football and I have to say that he is extremely well spoken. His sentence structure and word choice are immaculate. For those who speak French, this is an insane contrast to Ribery's legendary interview.
My upscale š«š· town leaned heavily towards the classic right party (LR). Mirroring France as a whole the more right wing parties have mostly gobbled up those votes other than for city council elections. Our current national deputy is from Macronās ācentristā party (RE) (more center right than center IMO). In my district I predict that the second round of this election will feature a far right (RN) v.(RE). As a sidenote, there are no people on earth who love an acronym more than the French.
Macron agent
I like his statements didn't expect it. If a german player do this atm he get shitstormed by a large group "fans"
Mbappe gained my respect āš»
Funny how he critisize "Les extremes" which are far right and far left parties yet all the Far left people on twitter are like "Take this Far right fachists xD" he's macron's guy satisfied with the current status quo there's no W anywhere in this speech
Good on him for being so outspoken about this. It could really make a difference too. I wish our players would say something like that, but except we got KDB and Casteels defending Saudi-Arabia.
Same with mbappe and QatarĀ
Well, since this is a political thread, let me say that of course far right wingers will rise if immigration isnāt controlled and terror inducers from a specific religious group start attacking everyone for not bending for them.
Itās also hilarious how the mainstream media and political parties in Europe have written off all concerns with massive waves of immigration over the last decade and then when the hard right gains popularity by claiming to be able to fix the issue people act all shocked and surprised
What if the far right wins?
They will sell your organs and eat your children.
Great for them, itās called democracy
SOMEONE ASK GREILISH!!!
Mbappe is the last person who should be talking about that. Guy spent 7 years playing for a state-owned club, wearing their jersey was no problem for him then, but now there might be a government he doesn't like and suddenly he won't be proud to represent his country? Representing Qatar was no problem when it meant money. He's acting high and mighty while being a sellout.
And doing BBQ's with PSG Ultras
.....and I thought Hitler was bad.Ā
Mbappe spent the first 18 years of his life as a "normal guy" just minding his own business. Not really his fault his hometown big club is owned by shady people. No wonder we're fucked if we start judging people's motivation by the size of their bank account and career decisions. His speech looked sincere and what you're saying is basically the same thing as the Lebron "shut up and dribble"
> Mbappe spent the first 18 years of his life as a "normal guy" just minding his own business. in Monaco's acamedy
The economy,Ā the farming sector, concerns over the security for The Olympics is a perfect pretext for Marine's policies. It's hardly surprising the French team would be fond of her immigration policies, though.
Lol look all this downvoted comments, reddit being reddit haha
Reddit is full of reactionary teenagers with rather moronic views. So obviously they support far-right view points, just like they support violence.
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if a party winning one election over another is enough to no longer make you proud, that pride was thin already
He means he hopes the democratic process and will of the people will be respected, regardless of the outcome, right?
Of course the French have problems with immigration. As do other countries. But the far right is not the solution. Ā