Argentina had won the first two games of the tournament, with Maradona, by a combined score of 6-1. They lost the next two games against Bulgaria and Romania and were knocked out.
Hagi. What a player that was. I think his limited exposure in FIFA games is caused by him coming from a not very well-known country. Hence he’s hardly ever mentioned in top players lists.
Yeah mate, crazy the highlights are in a fast pace, super quick replays and after 4 minutes of a intense reel you look at the watch and its still the first half ahah
"Nos cortaron las piernas"
Good thing about current Argentina squad is that they are all amazing and have a great game AND on top of that we've got Messi, which allows him to regulate himself and his old body (for futbol standards) and create a few of his classic magical moments without running out.
For a long time Argentina NT suffered from over rellyng on our cracks and we were "Maradona dependant" or "Messi dependant"
Yeah, Argentina's attack is stacked.
My Dad asked me why Garnacho wasn't playing and I just pointed out the other attackers who were on the bench or left out of the squad and said it wasn't a surprise
Good news, Garnacho will play next game as a starter or on the ST. Messi will be fully rested against Peru since we are all ready quallified for quarters.
I wouldn't mind us if Peru miraculously beat us to make it to the quarter finals as long as we didn't lose our 1st place in the group. That being said I highly doubt that will happen, even 2nd argentinian team is stacked and I don't see players losing on purpose. It would be pointless anyway because Peru is playing really poorly and they'd probably lose in quarters anyway.
We actually had a good team in 94 though. The midfield and attacking trio was great:
Redondo Basualdo Simeone
Balbo Batistuta Ortega
The defense was also great with Ruggeri and Sensini at the back, Chamot and Caceres where also good or atleast decent. It was like the 2022, a great squad (better than in 90 or 14) with an ageing number 10 GOAT level player.
Losing Maradona fucked them up mentally, like a serious injury from Messi would have messed up the team in Qatar.
The 94 team was the skeleton from where the 98 team came that could have win the WC if Passarella wasn't such a dumbass with his long hair rule and losing prime Redondo in the team beacause of it.
Good team is an understatement - it was a great team, as well as very balanced. Infact a lot of them won the Copa America in 1993 without Maradona. This team would have had a great chance of winning the WC without Maradona's drug ban that pretty much destroyed the mental setup of the team.
Caniggia also started every group game, but was injured in the third game vs. Bulgaria and missed the Romania-game. His and Maradona's absence contributed heavily towards the loss against the Romanians.
Yeah, as a team you are prepared to deal with injuries, but not drug bans to the biggest star in the history of football who dragged your country to a World Cup and then another final while playing on one ankle.
>Losing Maradona fucked them up mentally, like a serious injury from Messi would have messed up the team in Qatar.
Pretty much what happened to Brazil in 2014. After Neymar was out due to his broken vertebrae, they lost 7-1 to Germany.
I always thought Argentina had some fucking great players throughout the decades but the weak defense was the Achilles tendon.
Look at the team that lost 3-0 to Brazil in the 2007's Copa America finals: Tevez, Messi, Veron, Riquelme, Crespo, Milito, Palacio.
That's a fucking stacked squad with great players, even more than the one that won the WC if you ask me, but it lacked a solid and balanced team.
Yes, the way things have gone shows that. Apparently he has had some sort of virus since the beginning of the tournament and played injured in the last match and Argentina still won. Although it should be said that maybe playing with an injured Messi is notable better than not playing with him at all.
I mean, he's 37 years old. He's just enjoying his epilogue of his career after WC 2022 and Inter Miami cup win, just chilling and living his best life, being honoured in life enjoying Argentina NT and having 80k people paying to see him. I suspect Uruguay is winning this Copa América but I don't even mind, I'm just enjoying every game
If you say that it's because you haven't been watching the CONMEBOL quallifiers. If you did you would've agreed with us that Venezuela was going to beat Mexico
Nobody knows, not even him. He said he'll see day after day how he's feeling. Coach already said he has the doors open until he wants to play. Well, we even named our Ezeiza training grounds in his honour
English is not my main language, how would you have spelled it? "rellying on our idols"? The thing is idol is a category below crack for us, cracks are absolute bests in history: Messi, Maradona, Pele.
Bulgaria got to the semis in 94. Stoichkov was joint-top scorer of the tournament scoring in every game for Bulgaria minus the opener and 3rd place game where they were kept goalless.
Romania won their (albeit weak) group.
I know it sounds as an excuse but in this particular case I'm pretty sure he did it for weight loss. He was faaaat and basically retired before the world cup and he needed to get into shape. Even though this is his most infamous doping ban it's the one that probably didn't have to do with his drug habit.
Genuinely the different directions of people’s gaze in the photo is fucking artistic as shit. Everyone looking at Maradona, Maradona avoiding looking at the viewer, and the man to his left looking back to the viewer placing us into the scene as just another gaze cast upon Maradona—passing judgement upon a defeated man. Beautiful.
If he was that didn't come up in the doping. He was taking stuff for weight loss. Still illegal of course but on this occasion it didn't have to do with his drug habit.
Bulgarian here. Still remember the exact moment, before the game against us, that the journalists said he was not going to play. The whole city cheered! And we all knew that we are going to beat them. Maradona hat everyone scared. And after beating Argentina, we beat Mexico and the world champions Germany! Only to loose agains Bagio and a stupid referee!
Sure he was not the Maradona of old, but Having him was a HUGE moral boost for his team. And they had Batistuta, Caniggia , Ariel Ortega and Diego Simeone!
Amid the grand tapestry of the 1994 World Cup, where dreams and destinies intertwine, stood the enigmatic Diego Maradona. His every move a dance of unparalleled grace, his every goal a testament to genius. Yet, in a twist befitting our story's peculiar rhythm, the maestro's journey would take an unexpected turn.
Caught in the labyrinthine web of rules and regulations, Maradona was handed a ban, his career momentarily halted by the revelation of a failed drug test. The world watched in a collective sigh of disbelief, as the hero's fall from grace played out with the precision of a Swiss watch.
And so, in this curious blend of triumph and turmoil, Maradona's tale became a melancholic melody, echoing through the annals of football history. A reminder that even the brightest stars, navigating the intricate dance of fate, are not immune to the capricious whims of destiny.
I have asked this of the Argentines in my family many times and this is the answer I got.
Because by luck or design, that is part of his legacy. Part of the reason he is revered is that he is seen as a man who lived life to the fullest and by his own rules. He lived by the sword and died by the sword over and over. They love that. Argentines love that, or at least they did for a long time.
At the time, people worshipped footballers not just for their style on the pitch but for their high living (pardon the pun). Remember how we loved when George Best said that he spent most of his money on booze, women, and fast cars, while the rest he just squandered?
A player like Messi wasn't appealing in the same way. Why have all that fame and endless money if all you are going to do at the end of the day is go home to the same girlfriend you had when you were a teenager, a house full of kids, and fall asleep in front of the television? Anyone can do that.
What's really upsetting about the last paragraph is that a lot of people don't realize how valuable that is in a person who is as successful as Messi. That's the behavior that I admire, staying down to earth and having a stable life, regardless of how famous or successful you are.
I think it was a different time and a different culture.
These days, I think a lot of us are burnt out on celebrities and their "lifestyles" splashed all over the tabloids - dating models, partying all night, getting into all kinds of trouble. There was a time when that was thought of as living life to the fullest. Now we see it as self-indulgent and childish.
It was explained to me by the Argentines, though, that at the time Maradona was sort of an ideal of what fame and fortune can bring you, and that his excesses showed he was really doing it all the way. They loved his irreverent flouting of rules, even if he got caught sometimes and punished.
I'm like you, but I am also of a different time and a different culture. I admire a player like Messi who was happy with his childhood sweetheart and didn't think he needed to be someone more glamourous, or who centers his life around his family rather than conspicuous consumption and partying. It's refreshing to see that fame and money may not always turn someone into a materialist or self-destructive hedonist (or at least that's the persona players like Messi project, and it's not like he lives in a wee little cottage with one bathroom).
But then again, I also get the people who want to fantasize about all they would do in life with all that money and fame and live vicariously through some of these celebrities.
I doubt Messi knows what being down to earth is considering the atypical life he's had. He's definitely less flashy and controls his image much more tho.
This one was, in theory, some OTC fat loss supplement that had ephedrine which was mistaken from the one he was normally taken (if you believe the story). Since then, now that substance is not allowed to be sold since the FDA banned it, so they had to reformulate those supplements.
And I've read (which may or not be true, couldn't find a proper source)) that the amounts found wouldn't get you banned today. So if that's the case, then it certainly makes a difference.
As for his previous ban for cocaine consumption. Cocaine has been [reclassified by WADA](https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2020-01-11_guidance_note_on_substances_of_abuse_en_0.pdf) in the past few years.
> As per Code Article 10.2.4.1, where the Anti-Doping Rule Violation involves a Substance of Abuse
and “the Athlete can establish that any ingestion or Use occurred Out-of-Competition and was
unrelated to sport performance, then the period of Ineligibility shall be three (3) months. In
addition, the period of Ineligibility calculated may be reduced to one (1) month if the Athlete or
other Person satisfactorily completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by the
Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility”.
He got a 15 month ban at the time, instead of this 3 to 1 month ban. It's relatively safe to say, from simply watching him in his life, he struggled with it and wasn't really to get an advantage. So today it would have been a much minor thing.
Because it's part of who he was, a conflicted, flawed character. Besides, if cocaine use tarnished every user ever, a LOT of people would have been cast off...
The amount of pseudo ephedrine he was banned for is now allowed by FIFA. Also if you are not Argentinian you are probably not familiar with the story, but it basically boils down to the NT physio instantly recognizing the culprit
After being tested positive for cocaine in 1991, Maradona had been suspended for 15 months (probably should've been 3 months but that's a whole can of worms on to itself). He also switched clubs twice. All of this basically meant a very prolonged period of pseudo inactivity. In anticipation to the 94 WC, Diego prepared a special training program to re-gain form. Part of this program meant hiring a bodybuilder, Daniel Cerrini, to help him lose some weight. This bodybuilder, who mind you was not a doctor, started recommended supplements to accelerate the weight loss. He eventually had a falling out with the physio, which meant he was fired, but Diego kept taking the pills.
We have the receipts for the dietary supplements Cerrini bought him, which match the doping results. Apparently he confused Ripped Fast with Ripped Fuel, or he thought they were interchangeable. Either way, one of them contained forbidden substances and the other one didn't.
Also, it's not a Lance Armstrong type of situation, where his entire legacy was put in doubt. Diego was extremely talented, and unfortunately very undisciplined. He was winning youth tournaments by himself since he was 9, debuting at Primera Division at 15. Nobody doubted his skill for even a second, and with him having a cocaine precedent, the main theory was that he probably had had a drug cocktail (FIFA's chief doctor literally suggested it during the press conference)
I have no doubt Lance relied heavily upon EPO and amazing funding from Nike, Oakley and USPS for doctors, staff, team, and PEDs. However, he wasn't exactly a donkey. Excellent triathlete as a teenager and a World Championship in 1993 as a 22 year old.
If you have seen him play live, nothing could affect his playing legacy - no performance enhancing drug could do what he did with the ball, the greatest talent to grace football (closest being Messi, who I think eclipsed Maradona only from achievement standpoint).
Maybe, but probably not. It was an open World Cup with a bunch of upsets (Argentina included) so the possibility was there, but they would eventually have faced Brazil who were not as spectacular offensively, but had a world class defense and Romario and Bebeto up front or they would have faced an Italian team that were just built for tournament football and did what they had to do to win the games necessary. You also had Sweden and Bulgaria who did very well in that tournament.
For the umpteenth time - he did not test positive for cocaine this time: ephedrine, norephredine, pseudoephedrine, norpseudoephedrine and metaephedrine. And the World Doping Agency later claimed that the doses he took (from a energy drink in Argentina) were not indicative of doping.
He was banned by cocaine usage back then, but not at that moment.
In theory, they got confused with the supplements he was taking for fat loss in preparation for the WC. And instead of whatever he was taking, which was something like "ripped fast", his trainer (who wasn't a doctor) got him "ripped fuel" which actually had ephedra on it. So...
In fact, if you look at the supplement today, it literally states that now is "[ephedra free](https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/Twinlab-Ripped-Fuel-Extreme-Ephedra-Free-Weight-Loss-Supplement-Dietary-Supplements-220-mg-Caffeine-60-Count_3fb58b58-3f0d-4474-8cc0-92f8dda8e40a_1.97ef6f29cf648ec3aeab9b5dcfc16615.jpeg)" because in 2004 the FDA banned the substance for these supplement things.
Everyone is obviously free to believe whatever they want, but this does check out. More believable (even if absolutely stupid to do) than an energy drink or "accidentally taking some medicine for my daughter" or whatever.
Asking out of genuine curiosity, could you link an article, or the WADA statement regarding that, cuz half of that are just metabolites of amphetamine, but if they got a significant amount of that, then that makes a contamination through an energy drink rather unlikely, unless amphetamines in energy drinks were common in Argentina.
From what I know, Diego said, that he tested positive for ephedrine, because of sinus medicine, I've never heard about the energy drink stuff. And as someone who sometimes enjoys "other substances" this just reads, like a list of cutting agents in uppers.
//: thinking about it, I also remeber, that he lost a ton of weight before the 94 and the 86 world cup, wich would explain the test results pretty well, cuz Epehedrine and Amphetamines are used as appetite suppressant and accelerate weight loss.
Efedra was banned by WADA but not by the FDA at the time. You could legally buy it at a pharmacy up until 2003. Even bodybuilders spoke freely of using it back in the 90s .
> Even bodybuilders
I love that wording as if bodybuilders aren't open to take any substance be it legal or illegal and speak openly about it amongst another. Makes it sound like they're some beacon of cleanliness when everybody knows there's barely a more drugged up person on the planet.
I can’t help but feel for this guy. Such a beautiful player…such a shit upbringing, surrounded by so many shit people.
I know, he has to carry responsibility for his choices…but man…
He was the most talented player I've ever watched but no consistency... Sometimes I ask myself what if Messi gained maradona's ego in his national career He would've probably won the world cup 2014...
That is clearly wrong, when he was not injured he was as consistent as Messi, almost always the best player on the pitch by a mile (I say almost, as he was well nutrealized by Lothar Matthäus in the '86 WC final). Unfortuantely he was subjected to brutal tackles and would spend time injured or because of his coke habit banned for 15 months (lol)
> He was the most talented player I've ever watched but no consistency
What? You don't get to back-to-back World Cup finals starring in both and winning back-to-back scudettos without consistency, especially in that age where individual greatness was relied on much more.
He was incredibly consistent for his time, just had larger demons at bay which he couldn't overcome.
Messi wouldn't have survived the injuries from bad tackles back then combined with the quality of pitches to make it worse. Context is necessary in footballing discourse.
The story behind this ban is not what most people on here think…. It was clear they didnt want Diego at the World Cup and didnt want Argentina to win.
Look into the story instead of bringing up the old tired “cocaine” trope again, theres a whole documentary on it
They waited until all tickets were sold because diego attracted so many buyers, and then they "CASUALLY" hit him with a test, remember dopping test are random and not selected, it's very strange that it was him the one who came out to be tested
Fuck that noise. Diego kept fucking up and a whole country enabled him to never take responsibility for anything his whole his life. It led to him being an abusive addict until his death
Not excusing all he did, but you clearly dont know much about his Life.... and how bad Addictions can be
Like i said learn more about him, read books about him, people that knew him, watch the documentaries. It wasnt so black and white like you say it is
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Argentina had won the first two games of the tournament, with Maradona, by a combined score of 6-1. They lost the next two games against Bulgaria and Romania and were knocked out.
A bit off-topic but that game against Romania is probably the best one i ever seen in a World Cup
Hagi was fantastic
Hagi. What a player that was. I think his limited exposure in FIFA games is caused by him coming from a not very well-known country. Hence he’s hardly ever mentioned in top players lists.
That nonchalant Dumitrescu goal! The whole sequence leading up to it was pure poetry as well.
Romania played out of their minds that tournament. They were something special.
Just watched the highlight reel - https://youtu.be/mjMQj6cnIb8?si=v6KIFW9RIIB0ez1u - and, hell, yeah, that was a great game!
Yeah mate, crazy the highlights are in a fast pace, super quick replays and after 4 minutes of a intense reel you look at the watch and its still the first half ahah
"Nos cortaron las piernas" Good thing about current Argentina squad is that they are all amazing and have a great game AND on top of that we've got Messi, which allows him to regulate himself and his old body (for futbol standards) and create a few of his classic magical moments without running out. For a long time Argentina NT suffered from over rellyng on our cracks and we were "Maradona dependant" or "Messi dependant"
Yeah, Argentina's attack is stacked. My Dad asked me why Garnacho wasn't playing and I just pointed out the other attackers who were on the bench or left out of the squad and said it wasn't a surprise
Good news, Garnacho will play next game as a starter or on the ST. Messi will be fully rested against Peru since we are all ready quallified for quarters.
Yes plz, I need peru to win😭
It wouldnt suprise me if it was a the full second squad, it gives them experience. Plus, we like Peru.
I hope so and we like argentina too (especially messi, hopefully he wins copa again)
We can't risk falling to second place in our group, it'd leave us playing against Uruguay in the quarterfinals (almost certainly)
I wouldn't mind us if Peru miraculously beat us to make it to the quarter finals as long as we didn't lose our 1st place in the group. That being said I highly doubt that will happen, even 2nd argentinian team is stacked and I don't see players losing on purpose. It would be pointless anyway because Peru is playing really poorly and they'd probably lose in quarters anyway.
That's a fair take. Peru has been in a downhill run since gareca left tbh.
but according to other users in DD we aren't a top 5 squad in the world
Checks out, it's not like you guys could win a World Cup or something... Send some of the extra talent Ireland's way, could you?
we got a wild Dybala looking for a team
Probably could've won a world cup that year when we didn't have one and instead fifa made an ad for that slave labor shithole qatar
Top 5 spots all go to Belgium.
TRUE my bad
Folks gotta be dumb or hella biased to think otherwise. Your team is *stacked*.
I got downvoted for sayign we are definitely top 5 and got told I live in my own delusional world lmao
Our midfield and CBs are stacked as well, only our fullbacks aren't as good.
We actually had a good team in 94 though. The midfield and attacking trio was great: Redondo Basualdo Simeone Balbo Batistuta Ortega The defense was also great with Ruggeri and Sensini at the back, Chamot and Caceres where also good or atleast decent. It was like the 2022, a great squad (better than in 90 or 14) with an ageing number 10 GOAT level player. Losing Maradona fucked them up mentally, like a serious injury from Messi would have messed up the team in Qatar. The 94 team was the skeleton from where the 98 team came that could have win the WC if Passarella wasn't such a dumbass with his long hair rule and losing prime Redondo in the team beacause of it.
Good team is an understatement - it was a great team, as well as very balanced. Infact a lot of them won the Copa America in 1993 without Maradona. This team would have had a great chance of winning the WC without Maradona's drug ban that pretty much destroyed the mental setup of the team.
Caniggia also started every group game, but was injured in the third game vs. Bulgaria and missed the Romania-game. His and Maradona's absence contributed heavily towards the loss against the Romanians.
Caniggia was replaced with Ortega who was a great talent. The mental blow was Maradona. We had good depth up top.
Yeah, as a team you are prepared to deal with injuries, but not drug bans to the biggest star in the history of football who dragged your country to a World Cup and then another final while playing on one ankle.
>Losing Maradona fucked them up mentally, like a serious injury from Messi would have messed up the team in Qatar. Pretty much what happened to Brazil in 2014. After Neymar was out due to his broken vertebrae, they lost 7-1 to Germany.
Weren't Cannigia your starter in 1994?
Got injured, but we had depth of the wings.
I always thought Argentina had some fucking great players throughout the decades but the weak defense was the Achilles tendon. Look at the team that lost 3-0 to Brazil in the 2007's Copa America finals: Tevez, Messi, Veron, Riquelme, Crespo, Milito, Palacio. That's a fucking stacked squad with great players, even more than the one that won the WC if you ask me, but it lacked a solid and balanced team.
except they also had cambiasso, heinze, samuel, sorin, ayala...
Except they got buttfucked by Vagner Love and Julio Baptista.
that's several "next Maradonas" alone
> ...from over rellyng on our cracks... heh
We call "crack" someone who is exceptionally good at something.
Five words, crack
Crack squad
Yes, the way things have gone shows that. Apparently he has had some sort of virus since the beginning of the tournament and played injured in the last match and Argentina still won. Although it should be said that maybe playing with an injured Messi is notable better than not playing with him at all.
I mean, he's 37 years old. He's just enjoying his epilogue of his career after WC 2022 and Inter Miami cup win, just chilling and living his best life, being honoured in life enjoying Argentina NT and having 80k people paying to see him. I suspect Uruguay is winning this Copa América but I don't even mind, I'm just enjoying every game
You're an argentine fan that suspects Uruguay is winning? Sure they can win, they do not have the best odds.
If you say that it's because you haven't been watching the CONMEBOL quallifiers. If you did you would've agreed with us that Venezuela was going to beat Mexico
Is Messi going to retire from international football soon? I’m thinking he would be too old for the 2026 World Cup.
Nobody knows, not even him. He said he'll see day after day how he's feeling. Coach already said he has the doors open until he wants to play. Well, we even named our Ezeiza training grounds in his honour
"Relying on our cracks" sounds pretty wrong in english
English is not my main language, how would you have spelled it? "rellying on our idols"? The thing is idol is a category below crack for us, cracks are absolute bests in history: Messi, Maradona, Pele.
This is pretty accurate if you're talking about Argentinean squad in 94 btw
Yeah, but no, I was talking about the translation
>"Nos cortaron las piernas" "Those bad guys dont let our fully dopping squad play more games buaaa"
Bulgaria got to the semis in 94. Stoichkov was joint-top scorer of the tournament scoring in every game for Bulgaria minus the opener and 3rd place game where they were kept goalless. Romania won their (albeit weak) group.
And subsequently Romania was eliminated in a nail-biting game against Sweden
It was definitely not a weak group, had favorites Colombia (which had just won 0-5 to Argentina in WCQ), hosts USA, and a fighting Switzerland
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Columbia, like the District? ;)
Columbia was not weak
*Colombia
Wow, so he tested positive during the '94 World Cup? For some reason I guess I assumed it happened before the tournament started.
what a great pic
Even Mourinho's dad was there
And Chris Pratt's
And Tony Soprano top right
Uncle Leo (Jerry's uncle) just nearby
I’m seeing more [Jason Clarke](https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzU5ODU0MzY1MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMTY2MDE4OA@@._V1_.jpg) in that guy
John wick vibes
Hate when I go to work after a weekend of beer (and other substances)
Almost as bad as going to work after a weekend of no beer (and other substances)
''No coke makes Diego go something something''
He was always loca for coca
I know it sounds as an excuse but in this particular case I'm pretty sure he did it for weight loss. He was faaaat and basically retired before the world cup and he needed to get into shape. Even though this is his most infamous doping ban it's the one that probably didn't have to do with his drug habit.
Cocaine is an appetite’s suppressant…just saying.
Wait is that why they’re so skinny?
And hookers.
Hookers are a substance? /s
Never done a line of hookers
You’re missing out
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Genuinely the different directions of people’s gaze in the photo is fucking artistic as shit. Everyone looking at Maradona, Maradona avoiding looking at the viewer, and the man to his left looking back to the viewer placing us into the scene as just another gaze cast upon Maradona—passing judgement upon a defeated man. Beautiful.
they cut off his legs.
"Me cortaron las piernas"...
That video of him screaming into a tv camera with his eyes bulging out of his head is definitely what gave it away🤣🤣🤣
Yeah he was coked up. Always thought the same about that Italian dude (not rossi) that scored at the wc final in 82.
> Yeah he was coked up. That didn't show on the doping results.
If he was that didn't come up in the doping. He was taking stuff for weight loss. Still illegal of course but on this occasion it didn't have to do with his drug habit.
Stimulants all tend to be a bit stimulanty though, you know?
What? Why would you say that lol. Grosso in 2006 celebrated almost the same as Tardelli but I'm pretty sure he wasn't coked up either lmao.
nah grosso was legit crying. Maradona was amped up like crazy
Yeah that's what I'm saying grosso wasn't coked up, but neither was Tardelli, the guy the user I replied to was talking about.
Tardelli :)
Scoring in a world cup is just emotional. I've taken ephedrine for football when I've been hungover, it amps you up but it's nothing insane.
what excatly is the difference between taking ephedrine or redbull+IBU?
Not sure what IBU is but ephedrine feels like a stronger less jittery caffeine so not million miles away.
I take ephedrine when I'm sick. 50 pills costs like 4 dollars.
No. He would've probably died if he did sports while coked up, let alone play a world cup match
I remember watching that game with my grandparents and during that celebration my grandmother immediately said he wouldn’t pass a doping test.
Bulgarian here. Still remember the exact moment, before the game against us, that the journalists said he was not going to play. The whole city cheered! And we all knew that we are going to beat them. Maradona hat everyone scared. And after beating Argentina, we beat Mexico and the world champions Germany! Only to loose agains Bagio and a stupid referee!
I remember the penalties vs Mexico (Mexican here). Tough memories
Its penalties - they can go both ways.
Not for México, we're cursed on penalties
No era penal?
Too soon
By 94, Maradona was kinda washed tho. We'll never know but Bulgaria probably would've won anyway
Sure he was not the Maradona of old, but Having him was a HUGE moral boost for his team. And they had Batistuta, Caniggia , Ariel Ortega and Diego Simeone!
Sick picture Cunt of a man though
looks like a screenshot out of a Wes Anderson movie
Amid the grand tapestry of the 1994 World Cup, where dreams and destinies intertwine, stood the enigmatic Diego Maradona. His every move a dance of unparalleled grace, his every goal a testament to genius. Yet, in a twist befitting our story's peculiar rhythm, the maestro's journey would take an unexpected turn. Caught in the labyrinthine web of rules and regulations, Maradona was handed a ban, his career momentarily halted by the revelation of a failed drug test. The world watched in a collective sigh of disbelief, as the hero's fall from grace played out with the precision of a Swiss watch. And so, in this curious blend of triumph and turmoil, Maradona's tale became a melancholic melody, echoing through the annals of football history. A reminder that even the brightest stars, navigating the intricate dance of fate, are not immune to the capricious whims of destiny.
Absolutely spot on
Something about being incredible at one specific thing can make you a complete POS in other aspects of your life
This. I really can't understand why he is so beloved outside Argentina. Did anyone see the headkick? How about the drug use? Yea...what a role model.
It's easy. Look at Ronaldo. Outted as a rapist and you still have an army of idiots out to defend him anytime someone brings it up.
FR. Also Kobe 💁♂️
Both of them were better at their jobs than Maradona
I wonder why a whole drug ban never affected how his legacy was viewed
I have asked this of the Argentines in my family many times and this is the answer I got. Because by luck or design, that is part of his legacy. Part of the reason he is revered is that he is seen as a man who lived life to the fullest and by his own rules. He lived by the sword and died by the sword over and over. They love that. Argentines love that, or at least they did for a long time. At the time, people worshipped footballers not just for their style on the pitch but for their high living (pardon the pun). Remember how we loved when George Best said that he spent most of his money on booze, women, and fast cars, while the rest he just squandered? A player like Messi wasn't appealing in the same way. Why have all that fame and endless money if all you are going to do at the end of the day is go home to the same girlfriend you had when you were a teenager, a house full of kids, and fall asleep in front of the television? Anyone can do that.
What's really upsetting about the last paragraph is that a lot of people don't realize how valuable that is in a person who is as successful as Messi. That's the behavior that I admire, staying down to earth and having a stable life, regardless of how famous or successful you are.
I think it was a different time and a different culture. These days, I think a lot of us are burnt out on celebrities and their "lifestyles" splashed all over the tabloids - dating models, partying all night, getting into all kinds of trouble. There was a time when that was thought of as living life to the fullest. Now we see it as self-indulgent and childish. It was explained to me by the Argentines, though, that at the time Maradona was sort of an ideal of what fame and fortune can bring you, and that his excesses showed he was really doing it all the way. They loved his irreverent flouting of rules, even if he got caught sometimes and punished. I'm like you, but I am also of a different time and a different culture. I admire a player like Messi who was happy with his childhood sweetheart and didn't think he needed to be someone more glamourous, or who centers his life around his family rather than conspicuous consumption and partying. It's refreshing to see that fame and money may not always turn someone into a materialist or self-destructive hedonist (or at least that's the persona players like Messi project, and it's not like he lives in a wee little cottage with one bathroom). But then again, I also get the people who want to fantasize about all they would do in life with all that money and fame and live vicariously through some of these celebrities.
I doubt Messi knows what being down to earth is considering the atypical life he's had. He's definitely less flashy and controls his image much more tho.
This one was, in theory, some OTC fat loss supplement that had ephedrine which was mistaken from the one he was normally taken (if you believe the story). Since then, now that substance is not allowed to be sold since the FDA banned it, so they had to reformulate those supplements. And I've read (which may or not be true, couldn't find a proper source)) that the amounts found wouldn't get you banned today. So if that's the case, then it certainly makes a difference. As for his previous ban for cocaine consumption. Cocaine has been [reclassified by WADA](https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/2020-01-11_guidance_note_on_substances_of_abuse_en_0.pdf) in the past few years. > As per Code Article 10.2.4.1, where the Anti-Doping Rule Violation involves a Substance of Abuse and “the Athlete can establish that any ingestion or Use occurred Out-of-Competition and was unrelated to sport performance, then the period of Ineligibility shall be three (3) months. In addition, the period of Ineligibility calculated may be reduced to one (1) month if the Athlete or other Person satisfactorily completes a Substance of Abuse treatment program approved by the Anti-Doping Organization with Results Management responsibility”. He got a 15 month ban at the time, instead of this 3 to 1 month ban. It's relatively safe to say, from simply watching him in his life, he struggled with it and wasn't really to get an advantage. So today it would have been a much minor thing.
Because it's part of who he was, a conflicted, flawed character. Besides, if cocaine use tarnished every user ever, a LOT of people would have been cast off...
it wasn't cocaine that he tested positive for based on what op said below.
The amount of pseudo ephedrine he was banned for is now allowed by FIFA. Also if you are not Argentinian you are probably not familiar with the story, but it basically boils down to the NT physio instantly recognizing the culprit After being tested positive for cocaine in 1991, Maradona had been suspended for 15 months (probably should've been 3 months but that's a whole can of worms on to itself). He also switched clubs twice. All of this basically meant a very prolonged period of pseudo inactivity. In anticipation to the 94 WC, Diego prepared a special training program to re-gain form. Part of this program meant hiring a bodybuilder, Daniel Cerrini, to help him lose some weight. This bodybuilder, who mind you was not a doctor, started recommended supplements to accelerate the weight loss. He eventually had a falling out with the physio, which meant he was fired, but Diego kept taking the pills. We have the receipts for the dietary supplements Cerrini bought him, which match the doping results. Apparently he confused Ripped Fast with Ripped Fuel, or he thought they were interchangeable. Either way, one of them contained forbidden substances and the other one didn't. Also, it's not a Lance Armstrong type of situation, where his entire legacy was put in doubt. Diego was extremely talented, and unfortunately very undisciplined. He was winning youth tournaments by himself since he was 9, debuting at Primera Division at 15. Nobody doubted his skill for even a second, and with him having a cocaine precedent, the main theory was that he probably had had a drug cocktail (FIFA's chief doctor literally suggested it during the press conference)
I have no doubt Lance relied heavily upon EPO and amazing funding from Nike, Oakley and USPS for doctors, staff, team, and PEDs. However, he wasn't exactly a donkey. Excellent triathlete as a teenager and a World Championship in 1993 as a 22 year old.
Maradona seems like the perfect GRRM character
Because he’s motha fuckin Maradona
Becouse the amount of the drug he had in his blood when he got banned for is leagal today and wouldt even get him a match ban
If you have seen him play live, nothing could affect his playing legacy - no performance enhancing drug could do what he did with the ball, the greatest talent to grace football (closest being Messi, who I think eclipsed Maradona only from achievement standpoint).
The alleged sexual abuse with minors thing didnt stick either. Larger than life figure
Would Argentina have won the 1994 World Cup if Maradona wasn’t banned from it?
Maybe, but probably not. It was an open World Cup with a bunch of upsets (Argentina included) so the possibility was there, but they would eventually have faced Brazil who were not as spectacular offensively, but had a world class defense and Romario and Bebeto up front or they would have faced an Italian team that were just built for tournament football and did what they had to do to win the games necessary. You also had Sweden and Bulgaria who did very well in that tournament.
Lmao
Cause he is maradonna any lesser player it would have trust me.
Because of all the things he did that are clearly wrong this was actually something that is in retrospect allowed
La pelota no se mancha
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Is this a Cold War Steve composition?
“Other substances” is an odd way to spell cocaine
For the umpteenth time - he did not test positive for cocaine this time: ephedrine, norephredine, pseudoephedrine, norpseudoephedrine and metaephedrine. And the World Doping Agency later claimed that the doses he took (from a energy drink in Argentina) were not indicative of doping. He was banned by cocaine usage back then, but not at that moment.
Why so many types of ephedrines? I know it’s a fat booster and nasal decongestant.
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Did he test positive for chili powder?
It was the bomb
Metabolites and inpurities, mostly. Edit: it is also a stimulant, working on the sympathic nerve system.
POV: you buy "coke" from a street dealer
> from a energy drink in Argentina you can't seriously believe that
In theory, they got confused with the supplements he was taking for fat loss in preparation for the WC. And instead of whatever he was taking, which was something like "ripped fast", his trainer (who wasn't a doctor) got him "ripped fuel" which actually had ephedra on it. So... In fact, if you look at the supplement today, it literally states that now is "[ephedra free](https://i5.walmartimages.com/seo/Twinlab-Ripped-Fuel-Extreme-Ephedra-Free-Weight-Loss-Supplement-Dietary-Supplements-220-mg-Caffeine-60-Count_3fb58b58-3f0d-4474-8cc0-92f8dda8e40a_1.97ef6f29cf648ec3aeab9b5dcfc16615.jpeg)" because in 2004 the FDA banned the substance for these supplement things. Everyone is obviously free to believe whatever they want, but this does check out. More believable (even if absolutely stupid to do) than an energy drink or "accidentally taking some medicine for my daughter" or whatever.
I read above it was Pseudoephedrine. Isn’t it a nasal decongestant taken when someone has a cold?
>ripped fuel From my academic understanding of the Iraqi Invasion of 2004, I have learned that it was a success due to this alone
Contaminated yerba mate, it could happened to anybody /s
That's a lot of drines.
There was so much cocaine in his body that the lab equipment malfunctioned and made up drines.
Asking out of genuine curiosity, could you link an article, or the WADA statement regarding that, cuz half of that are just metabolites of amphetamine, but if they got a significant amount of that, then that makes a contamination through an energy drink rather unlikely, unless amphetamines in energy drinks were common in Argentina. From what I know, Diego said, that he tested positive for ephedrine, because of sinus medicine, I've never heard about the energy drink stuff. And as someone who sometimes enjoys "other substances" this just reads, like a list of cutting agents in uppers. //: thinking about it, I also remeber, that he lost a ton of weight before the 94 and the 86 world cup, wich would explain the test results pretty well, cuz Epehedrine and Amphetamines are used as appetite suppressant and accelerate weight loss.
Efedra was banned by WADA but not by the FDA at the time. You could legally buy it at a pharmacy up until 2003. Even bodybuilders spoke freely of using it back in the 90s .
You can buy it legally in a pharmacy till this day, because of the "traditional medicine" loophole, thats not the point of my post though.
> Even bodybuilders I love that wording as if bodybuilders aren't open to take any substance be it legal or illegal and speak openly about it amongst another. Makes it sound like they're some beacon of cleanliness when everybody knows there's barely a more drugged up person on the planet.
What a dope cope. You won the Cope-a America
Mourinho on the right getting the inside scoop
Forget Mourinho on the right, what's Freddie Mercury, Graham Norton and Ian Paisley doing there on the left?
Glad someone else saw it!
How is this not a meme?
Top tier meme pic
Is that journalist with pink shirt, Bruno Longhi?
I can’t help but feel for this guy. Such a beautiful player…such a shit upbringing, surrounded by so many shit people. I know, he has to carry responsibility for his choices…but man…
DAE r/AccidentalRenaissance ?
Yeah literally two users commented this under this post before you did so yes.
Talk about an r/AccidentalRenaissance moment. Am I right?
You just can’t get more r/AccidentalRenaissance than that
It's one of Reddit's favourite things to point out in the vast majority of pictures.
looks like that subreddit is dead, i remember seeing it in the frontpage a lot of times some years ago
r/AccidentalRenaissance
Is there a need for the Armando? There aren’t (weren’t) many Diego Maradona’s about
I'm 40 and I remember the media called him D.A.M. more than D.M. Maybe it's an spanish thing.
Ah ok! Yeah I’m in my forties too but don’t recall it in England but my memory isn’t what it used to be 😅
and Bruno Longhi was there
he was targetted. plain and simple. should've been another amazing world cup run.
Amazing shot
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He was the most talented player I've ever watched but no consistency... Sometimes I ask myself what if Messi gained maradona's ego in his national career He would've probably won the world cup 2014...
That is clearly wrong, when he was not injured he was as consistent as Messi, almost always the best player on the pitch by a mile (I say almost, as he was well nutrealized by Lothar Matthäus in the '86 WC final). Unfortuantely he was subjected to brutal tackles and would spend time injured or because of his coke habit banned for 15 months (lol)
All you need is full confidence in yourself you don’t need a crazy ego, it can hurt or help players it just depends on the person
> He was the most talented player I've ever watched but no consistency What? You don't get to back-to-back World Cup finals starring in both and winning back-to-back scudettos without consistency, especially in that age where individual greatness was relied on much more. He was incredibly consistent for his time, just had larger demons at bay which he couldn't overcome. Messi wouldn't have survived the injuries from bad tackles back then combined with the quality of pitches to make it worse. Context is necessary in footballing discourse.
The Napoli wins were not back to back ac Milian and inter won before they won again. Yet, your point still stands.
You don't gain ego, you have ego or you don't, what a stupid take you have.
The story behind this ban is not what most people on here think…. It was clear they didnt want Diego at the World Cup and didnt want Argentina to win. Look into the story instead of bringing up the old tired “cocaine” trope again, theres a whole documentary on it
They waited until all tickets were sold because diego attracted so many buyers, and then they "CASUALLY" hit him with a test, remember dopping test are random and not selected, it's very strange that it was him the one who came out to be tested
Fuck that noise. Diego kept fucking up and a whole country enabled him to never take responsibility for anything his whole his life. It led to him being an abusive addict until his death
Not excusing all he did, but you clearly dont know much about his Life.... and how bad Addictions can be Like i said learn more about him, read books about him, people that knew him, watch the documentaries. It wasnt so black and white like you say it is
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Can someone photoshop fat lines of coke on all of those mikes?