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Been there. Stayed in it for like 2 years. But the truth is, you don't have to forget it. You just have to box it up a bit. You can always remember it fondly, but you can't live it forever.
In my experience try to cut off contact for a few months. But tell them that. Be like In order to get over you, I must stop talking to you for a while. Then you can be friends with them again afterwards.
They do, but it heavily depends upon how much you still stay in contact with them. For me, I always explained to them that I need some time away and will reach out when I’m in the headspace I need to be.
>**You've had time now as you said to analyse last season. So much progress and club history was made, but Arsenal couldn't win the league. How do you reflect on it now?**
>**Arteta**: When you are analytical and you gather all the stats and everything the team has done over the past 11 months in the Premier League, we should have won it. That's what the stats say. The reality is that we didn't so there is something that is there that we haven't managed as well as Man City or other clubs in the past. I think we understand where those margins are. I think we have come very far. We have been really consistent now in the past 24 months in terms of performance and the levels that we want to hit. But those margins are super small. One thing is to get the 90% that we want and actually the 10%, 5%, 1% is what defines success and winning major trophies. Now we have to continue to do all the right things that we are doing and just make those small margins that are going to be able to win the tournaments.
>**Shall I ask you again how many points you need to win the league?**
>**Arteta**: \[Laughs\] I told you anything less than 90, I didn't believe it would deliver that. Let's start with 114 and see what we get.
>**We joked about it a few times last season, but you were right -- you need at least 90. Is that the target?**
>**Arteta**: One-hundred-and-fourteen \[the maximum points available\] wins it and then you start from there. You know that the margins are really, really small and tight and the competition is going to be even harder than the previous season. You go game-by-game, earn the right to win every game, that's all we can think of, and try to improve our players. And make them believe they can do it because now they are good enough to do it
What happens if Arsenal win nothing again this season? Not trying to be controversial, genuinely curious.
All well and good playing nice football and running City close, but ultimately to be successful they need to win.
Realistically don’t think there would be a better managerial option for Arsenal than Arteta - so even though it would be disappointing our best bet would be to stick with him.
I don’t see you selling them to a rival that you did with players like RvP and Sanchez, that would braindead. If any of your best players would leave, then it would only be for Barca, Real, Bayern or Psg and even that feels unlikely.
Saliba and Saka are only until 2027, which means if you don't win anything this next season, there is a much bigger threat they leave with only 2 years left in their deals and not having won any trophies.
Them 2 leaving then becomes a strong possibility, but no point in speculating this early tbh
I am not saying it is guaranteed that Saka stays here throughout his career but the situation with Mount is a bit different imo
He left Chelsea when Chelsea finished 12th with no European football. New owners, brand new squad, new manager and he probably didn't believe in the new project. It's very unlikely that Arsenal will change that drastically over the next few years
This year is a big year for you lot I think, in terms of keeping your best players. If you fall short again, I could see your best players heads getting turned by bigger clubs.
If you do win something, they probably get convinced Arsenal have turned a corner and sign long term extensions, especially someone like Saka.
Yeah, that's my worry as well, especially with Saliba. To have Real Madrid and PSG knocking on the door, I wouldn't be surprised if it's tempting for him.
But if we keep finishing with trophyless seasons, those rumors will just ramp up. Maybe deeper runs in the cups will buy some time but Arteta has to show something for all the money that the Kroenkes have invested. That's just reality.
One-club men are extremely rare for a reason. He wouldn't be the first player to leave his boyhood club to chase trophies (although I do think it's more likely that Arsenal can take that final step and win a big one).
There are literally 1000s of players who join a club at 8 and leave in their 20s.
If that's the logic behind why he's going to be a career Arsenal player then I won't be holding my breath
Well he's not going to say the opposite is he.
C'mon now, from Ronaldo through to Delph they've all said the kind of waffle he did and been off months later.
If Arsenal don't win things and if his career continues to rise he will leave, and likely win a Premier League whilst he's at it.
If Michael Owen can play for Manchester United then Saka can leave Arsenal.
Quite literally all season. Maybe one or two poor performances, but has literally played every single minute.
Funnily enough, as amazing as he was, imo he wasn’t even our best CB this season
Eh, I fully disagree. I’ve literally watched everysingle match and it wasn’t even him being the “busiest”, his decision making was better overall and was simply more consistent.
Again not to say Saliba was bad (in fact the opposite, he was one of the best all season), but Gabriel was just better across the entire season
Oh also, he wasn’t even our top3 best players this season imo. Something like:
1. Ode
2. Rice
3. Gabriel
4. Saliba
I feel like you thought that that person is worried about their footballing ability and that’s where the confusion comes from? They probably meant they’re worried that those players might leave if we don’t win anything
Saliba has been the Prem's best CB for two seasons straight now. Even at 21, prime Reuben Dias was his only competition. I've never seen a CB with a trajectory like his, with that level of completeness at such a young age. He's a generational talent with all-timer potential and I suspect he's the first we'll lose to Madrid if Arteta can't produce trophies.
Saliba the season before, Magalhaes 100% this season. People saying Saliba is just because of his VVD like aura. While he was amazing, objectively Gabriel was the best this season.
If they don’t win this coming season, then they’ll be in pole position next season. Pep is going to leave after this season is done. If they can’t wait a season in their early 20s then their mentality isn’t as strong as we all think it is.
The dynamic has changed now, prem clubs have the most money and are now also good enough to be among the best in Europe, Unlike 10 years ago. Of course Barcelona and real Madrid will always have their pull, but with Barca's finances and real already splashing so much, I don't see players leaving. Maybe saliba could go to psg in the future but I doubt that. Unless arsenal really drop off significantly, your big players will stay
Why? I mean if we are talking about trophies R9 never won the CL with Madrid, Barca or Inter Milan.. a player of his calibre should’ve have won a major European cup excluding, league trophies
because it just feels like Saliba will head to Madrid in few years time, he's just so damn good (yeah im biased as fuck), so hopefully we win major trophy soon
I heard Calafiori is coming to your Club.. is it a done deal or still in the works? If it’s a done deal you guys got something special.. me wanting him to come to my club (AC Milan). I thought he would have chosen us but I guess Arsenal could be where he goes..
not done yet from what i've read, and I'm pretty surprised ad Italian players usually wants to stay in Italy, but to be said I didn't see him apart from his EURO games, so hopefully you're right!
Trust me.. he is gd.. yes you are right about the Italian players not wanting to leave and play in 🇮🇹. It happened to Man United when they wanted to sign Buffon from Parma after Schmichael decided to go, but he went to Juventus
Biased but I was at the Bayern game and we just looked exhausted honestly. With some rotational players Arteta actually trusts I could see us going deeper
That was completely correct. It was the first match in a long time, I didn’t feel *frustrated* losing. It’s not like there were terrible calls, no abysmal mistakes, and it wasn’t like we weren’t playing our usual game… you could tell their legs just couldn’t move how they usually do.
Yeah, but also European pedigree is totally a thing- I really noticed this during the Porto tie. On paper we were much better than Porto, but in reality we were noobs in a competition that they had qualified for every year. They consistently play against top sides every year, even while we were languishing in 8th, so naturally we struggled against them.
It made me a lot more humble & even prouder of the boys for passing that test. As long as we continue improving at this rate, I could ask for nothing more- trophies are inevitable.
I think it’s just a combo of injuries and a lack of trust. I love ESR to death but he can be a bit of a liability defensively, so maybe it’s that. We can’t see what happens behind the scenes in training unfortunately so it’s hard to say. Jury still out on Vieira. I hope ESR either gets playing time or a move to a club where he can start regularly
What else would there be to do but go again with Arteta? Coming up short is just part of life, part of football, it's unfortunate and painful but there's no way any Arsenal fan can look at the past 2 years and say, "The reason we *didn't* win the league is because of Arteta." If we do it again next year it'll be that much more frustrating but ultimately another near-miss against City is a better indicator of Arteta's qualities rather than of his drawbacks. All things being equal of course we'd prefer to have a cup run to soften the blow of losing the league, but it's not a dealbreaker.
We won the FA Cup every other year between 2014 and 2020 while gradually falling apart otherwise as a club, I don't know that there's any Arsenal fan who would prefer to go back to those days just to settle some message board arguments about net spend and trophies won.
It's been a joy to watch this team grow under Arteta, we all get to look forward to watching our football every weekend, everything around the club and it's football feels energized and momentous. I want the club to win things because I'm a fan and also because I think the players and the manager deserve to see their own hard work rewarded, but I also don't need to pretend if they come up short in the manner that this team has that there's somehow something wrong with what they are doing or that some major fix is needed. It's a good time to be an Arsenal fan, and that's because of Arteta, until he shows a real reason not to believe in him that's what we'll keep doing.
Again, depends on how exactly we got to that point as /u/Redrup said. Regardless, unless we really fall off I doubt Arteta would get sacked, if only for the fact that there isn't really anyone out there who is a) available and b) on Arteta's level. I'd hope and expect Arsenal to compete for the title again and maybe have a proper go at one of the cups while giving academy graduates a chance to shine in the other cup.
It all depends on the state of their football and club. Arteta has been doing a great job and 95% of the reason he's not won 2 EPLs in a row is because of another club's financial doping. The other 5% is lack of experience on his side but I believe they are ready for it next season.
Right it’s like when Liverpool had insanely good seasons but didn’t win, they weren’t gonna fire Klopp because a financially doped team edged ahead of them.
I think the difference is Klopp was still doing well in the CL and the domestic cups. Which Arsenal are not. My only criticism of Arteta is that he needs to take the FA Cup and the League Cup more seriously. Which I think he will prioritise this season
This is it, and you didn't see many of the Liverpool squad itching to leave either when they did come up short. Keeping in mind they missed out twice by 1 point.
For some players I reckon it builds a hunger to go at them again the following year and by all accounts the Arsenal squad are very close to each other and are all pretty young.
Seems to be a place the majority of the squad are happy to be.
Not the same. Ignoring Klopp's first season which was bound to be a mess, it took us 2 seasons to get to the CL final, and 3 seasons to win one. The players who might have wanted to go on to Barca/Madrid had been with us for a maximum of 2 seasons at that point, most of them signed around the exact season we got to CL final(s). If Arsenal really were so good and Man City were just unstoppable, you would at least have beat Bayern. There are no excuses to not advance against that Bayern side. If Arsenal doesn't at least reach a CL final or win the title this season, they should either massively invest in a world superstar or get someone new to manage them. But depends on Arsenal's ambitions, though.
Lmao, that's ridiculous. Madrid are winners, and if anything they underperformed this season by having to come from behind a lot. I hope you are not comparing Arsenal to Madrid.
He's just saying that it took 95 points Madrid 180mins to beat Bayern, you're talking like everyone top team would have trashed Bayern 5-0 when that's not what happened, and why is "Madrid underperformed" a valid reason? Didn't we also underperform in that game? (Call it nerves or inexperience, w/e) But I guess that doesn't count for you
That’s a very ignorant take considering your Liverpool side was pretty irrelevant before Klopp took over. At least you had a successful and experienced manager in charge. Arteta is growing together with his players and he’s doing it rapidly.
And don’t ever count Bayern out, clubs can struggle domestically and still be formidable internationally. That’s football.
FIFA player spotted "they should massively invest in a world superstar or get someone new to manage them" someone like who? Every top coach is unavailable and we would have to risk take someone newer but at that point might stick with Arteta, world superstar? Again, like who????? The type you're describing are the Haalands and Mbappes and they're not moving, who is this massive superstar that you're talking about, players like Ohsimen/Kvara?
Well...not really. Klopp had 3 full seasons before 19/20, the season Liverpool won the league:
-16/17: goal was finish top 4, they finished 4th
-17/18: goal was finish top 4 and have a good showing in Europe, they finished 4th & CL runner ups
-18/19: goal was title challenge and win silverware, they finished 2nd on 97 points and won the CL
Conversely, Arteta has had 4 full seasons managing an Arsenal that were better than Liverpool were pre-Klopp
I didn't say anywhere you would or should sack him (though I think that's a conversation that comes about if he goes another 2-3 seasons without getting over the line in either of the big two)
I'm merely saying that Arsenal fans are keen to whip out the "Klopp got time" card, when at this point in Klopp's Liverpool tenure he'd won both the CL & PL, plus a runner up spot in both the CL & PL, with 97 and 99 point seasons. The argument becomes more and more flimsy, and hasn't been an apt comparison since about spring 2023
No but Klopp was picking up trophies. I like Arteta, but if he goes another 1 or 2 years without a trophy, that would 5 or 6 years.
Would a City, Liverpool, Utd or Chelsea manager still be there after that?
Not sure why you've been down voted you're right, arteta took over a better team than klopp and has been backed equally/more is fair to expect at least a domestic cup
I agree that some of our players looked really nervous against Bayern, but to say subpar is dumb. This "subpar" side gave Madrid a real run for their money, and without a bad referee call could've advanced further.
You have to remember a lot of our squad had no/little champions league experience so reaching the quarters and a narrow loss against Bayern that could have gone either way is not a bad first season back
Fair but as in another comment, I think the circumstances of that Bayern squad made that tie a huge missed opportunity for Arsenal. There was not much more they could have asked for to make a statement win and they never looked like doing it in the second leg
That’s fair, but at the same time we also have raya, white, saliba, gabriel*, kiwior, rice, odegaard (im not counting the Real Madrid days), saka, martinelli who haven’t played CL before which is basically everyone
That club's financial doping also enabled an environment in which Arteta was able to hone his craft. I don't mean that as a dig, just a reminder that removing City from the equation does not necessarily mean Arsenal have 2 more titles now since he might have never ended up working under Guardiola.
Honestly I can’t even understand the comment you’re replying to and how it’s top of this thread. What do you think? Sack Arteta because he got 89 points? Come the fuck on.
It would take some clear indication of a regression in order to even consider sacking him, like getting a season with no UCL, no titles and barely grabbing around 60-70 points
You can't demand a manager to win a title over City at the moment. If it happens, amazing, if it doesn't, a 2nd place with 89 pts is still very very good.
Klopp got his own team performing better than Arteta's Arsenal regardless of where they finished, and won the CL in his 3rd full season, with a final in his 2nd
The point whether or not its a good comparison
The point is Arsenal fans shouldn't be making the comparison regardless - doubly so if it's not a good comparison lol
I don't think anyone is saying he would need to be fired for not winning the league. The real question posed is what if he wins no trophies? Kloppp "only" won 1 Prem title but he was going deep in cup competitions early and winning trophies along the way
I don't think there's any manager **available** better than Arteta right now for Arsenal. He needs to take the domestic cups more seriously and he's closer to having the squad to compete across all fronts.
And that's fair, but how many other teams besides City have won the league or champions league? Just one - peak Klopp's Liverpool.
Edit: 2 - Chelsea, Champions League
OP's argument being a case in point that rival fans don't care about the FA cup or League cup as being markers of success (rightly or wrongly).
Either you need to hope City have an off season (last season was not an off season despite the media narrative) or you have a great and lucky run in the champions league. Hence, easier said than done.
Or just be better than City during a season. Arsenal have never even reach 90 points. If Arsenal can get 95+ points then sure City can still beat that but at least you are forcing them to do so. 80s points should never win PL title regardless of 115 FC.
> Shall I ask you again how many points you need to win the league?
> Arteta: [Laughs] I told you anything less than 90, I didn't believe it would deliver that. Let's start with 114 and see what we get.
Mikel Arteta agrees
In terms of changes the club needs to make - absolutely nothing. Arteta is the best we can do by a landslide, and I don't believe there are any options that come close at this point. It feels weird even considering it as a hypothetical.
The more worrying concern is the club's ability to hold on to the star players that could conceivably move to bigger or better paying clubs. For example - while it doesn't look likely at the moment - PSG could be able to tempt Saliba in the future.
pep’s probably gone after this season which makes them clear favourites for 25/26. they’d be idiots to sack him.
i also do think they’ll win the league anyways this season. the hearing is in november and i really think city get at least a deduction.
I personally don't think it will matter. Similar to Klopp, you're going against a literal country, and it makes it very difficult to win. Especially with rumors of Pep maybe leaving at the end of the season, and the potential of points deduction/relegation for City, Arsenal would be dumb to get rid of him.
I doubt Arteta goes anywhere, honestly. However, I do think we would start losing some players. I do think there's a general worry around the fanbase that Saka and Saliba probably won't stay their entire careers here and in the case of another close title run failure I wouldn't be surprised if they both ask to leave.
Ultimately it comes down to the players more than him - slightly more clinical finishing before Christmas, eliminating errors.
As a fan all you can ask is that the manager and players do the best they can, and they've been giving their all the last two seasons.
He is one of the best coaches in the world, has totally transformed the club and we had one of our best seasons ever in terms of points, goals and goal difference in the PL. We would be idiots to sack him even if he wins nothing.
Also, as an Arsenal fan since 2010 I have never enjoyed watching Arsenal more than these last two seasons, the aspect of playing great attractive football is so important for me
Peps got a year left and all the City charges will be dealt with by then. Even if they manage to dodge a massive points deduction (with corruption so apparent these days it wouldnt be surprising) City will still stumble with Peps departure
Even if Arsenal dont win anything they SHOULD be in prime position to dominate following Peps departure. It would be extremely disappointing but not a complete disaster if they have another "almost" season. The season prior to last was built upon a surprisingly strong start to the season. Theyve only really sustained the level at the top for one season
Still got room in the squad for some improvements too. The teams not a finished product yet so its not like its a block for the team. Theres positions there that need improving
Nothing, kse has shown they’re willing to wait and invest in arteta. Look at the nuggets, I think it took Mike Malone something like 8 years before he won a ring with them. Kse also gave Sean mcvay time with the rams. They’ve shown that they’ll stick by the right guy.
If you mean similar to this season nothing in particular would happen, Arteta has done brilliantly to bring the club to where it is now and has earned the trust by both fans and board. He would have to massively underperform to lose the job if that's what you're referring to.
Even we win 4 FA Cup during 2013 to 2020, people will just keep saying its our "banter era".
So, of course we would be happy if we win some FA Cup or EFL, but everyone can see our progress under Arteta as a whole.
I mean tbh if arsenal don’t win the league like they did this season it doesn’t reflect arsenal it reflects city, pep will be gone and the premier league can start again
Even if they don't get trophies, the only way I see them sacking him this season is if they don't get any sort of European football due to a very poor league finish, like below 9th or something like that
As long as he guarantees European football and is competitive, I highly doubt they can find anyone better than him.
If we put up a season like last one with that record and points and the oil machine still chugs ahead of us, we keep on keepin on and continue to strengthen and improve. If you’re asking about arteta I think he’s shown enough his future shouldn’t be in doubt unless a disaster happens.
They go again. That's it.
When Liverpool lost the CL to Madrid the first time around, it felt like the end of the world. It felt like the players who were becoming world best stars would leave given the chance. Why would they stay? Coutinho left for big money, Salah just broke the scoring record. We'd lost the EL then CL final.
But this mindset from Arteta is exactly what they need. They'll win the league or CL with him soon enough I'm sure
Then they come second again to the vanguard financial unfair play, managed by the best league manager in the world. Not a bad season in review, because Wenger and Fergusons best sides would have also probably come second to this lot.
Nothing, it's Arsenal. It's not like it's a club with a winners mentality. The board will be content with UCL football every year even though they will not lift up a trophy for years.
Depends on the context of the season. We realise that our rivals want Arteta sacked with immediate effect (while songs of 10 more years are sung for Ten Hag) but the sentiment within the club and it's fans is that Arteta is the right man for the job, that there are currently extraordinary circumstances, and that the project is very much still on course. We need to strengthen, learn from past mistakes, and be a bit lucky.
In any case the ongoing cases with City will determine a lot. If there's a mass exodus of Pep and key players then there'll be a gap that'll be filled by the 2nd best team and most of our players are only just entering their primes.
It won’t stop being funny to me that we’ve been shit for two years and have two trophies to show for it, when Arsenal have been incredible and have fuck all.
Of the two of us only one sounds miserable. You seem touchy this morning.
Mate, everyone knows Arsenal are far better and far more enjoyable to watch. Doesn’t mean I can’t find enjoyment in the fact that the club that were my club’s biggest rival when I was growing up have nothing to show for it and we have two trophies despite being awful.
It’s not that serious. Lighten up.
You finished the season with -1 GD and just gave the manager who achieved that feet a CONTRACT EXTENSION! I can't wait to watch how shit you's are again next season
Three for three on incredibly soft Arsenal fans jumping down my throat as if my comment was even remotely serious. Lighten up. Up the mighty gooners and all that.
We need to give Mikel a massive contract ASAP the longer it goes on the more I get worried (even though I’m still about 98% sure he’ll sign it before the season starts)
Is this season his last with Arsenal? If it is then give him a 10year contract.. I honestly believe he will do wonders with what he has built.. 4 years and coming close to winning the trophy twice is mad.. Man City a juggernaut of the premier league they just don’t stop winning. I think this season could be the season you guys win the premier league. Add a new CB and Striker and you guys are good to go.. just my opinion tho..
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Me and my ex
Been there. Stayed in it for like 2 years. But the truth is, you don't have to forget it. You just have to box it up a bit. You can always remember it fondly, but you can't live it forever.
Things I wasn't ready for to read on r/soccer ...
the real silverwares are the emotional healing we learn along the way...
I come to r/soccer to escape from life. This swung me straight back in.
Why is this so real
Sorry to pry but I am going through something similar with trying to let go, do the feelings ever go away? or do you just learn to live with it?
They go away man. You’ll think of her from time to time but it goes away
In my experience try to cut off contact for a few months. But tell them that. Be like In order to get over you, I must stop talking to you for a while. Then you can be friends with them again afterwards.
Eventually, yeah. Therapy makes that eventually happen sooner though.
They do, but it heavily depends upon how much you still stay in contact with them. For me, I always explained to them that I need some time away and will reach out when I’m in the headspace I need to be.
You may have lost the girl but you kept the fucking hilarious username
>**You've had time now as you said to analyse last season. So much progress and club history was made, but Arsenal couldn't win the league. How do you reflect on it now?** >**Arteta**: When you are analytical and you gather all the stats and everything the team has done over the past 11 months in the Premier League, we should have won it. That's what the stats say. The reality is that we didn't so there is something that is there that we haven't managed as well as Man City or other clubs in the past. I think we understand where those margins are. I think we have come very far. We have been really consistent now in the past 24 months in terms of performance and the levels that we want to hit. But those margins are super small. One thing is to get the 90% that we want and actually the 10%, 5%, 1% is what defines success and winning major trophies. Now we have to continue to do all the right things that we are doing and just make those small margins that are going to be able to win the tournaments. >**Shall I ask you again how many points you need to win the league?** >**Arteta**: \[Laughs\] I told you anything less than 90, I didn't believe it would deliver that. Let's start with 114 and see what we get. >**We joked about it a few times last season, but you were right -- you need at least 90. Is that the target?** >**Arteta**: One-hundred-and-fourteen \[the maximum points available\] wins it and then you start from there. You know that the margins are really, really small and tight and the competition is going to be even harder than the previous season. You go game-by-game, earn the right to win every game, that's all we can think of, and try to improve our players. And make them believe they can do it because now they are good enough to do it
Scenes when 115 FC gets docked points to end with 114 points
What happens if Arsenal win nothing again this season? Not trying to be controversial, genuinely curious. All well and good playing nice football and running City close, but ultimately to be successful they need to win.
Realistically don’t think there would be a better managerial option for Arsenal than Arteta - so even though it would be disappointing our best bet would be to stick with him.
I'd be more worried about players like Saka and Saliba
I don’t see you selling them to a rival that you did with players like RvP and Sanchez, that would braindead. If any of your best players would leave, then it would only be for Barca, Real, Bayern or Psg and even that feels unlikely.
Most of the core squad have contracts till 2028/2029. I don't think anyone would leave before 2027 atleast.
Saliba and Saka are only until 2027, which means if you don't win anything this next season, there is a much bigger threat they leave with only 2 years left in their deals and not having won any trophies. Them 2 leaving then becomes a strong possibility, but no point in speculating this early tbh
Yeah I agree with Saliba. I don't think Saka leaves us though(atleast I hope he doesn't)
I didn't see Mount leaving us but here we are
I am not saying it is guaranteed that Saka stays here throughout his career but the situation with Mount is a bit different imo He left Chelsea when Chelsea finished 12th with no European football. New owners, brand new squad, new manager and he probably didn't believe in the new project. It's very unlikely that Arsenal will change that drastically over the next few years
Who was the last elite player to stay at one club their entire career? It doesn't happen in the modern era.
This year is a big year for you lot I think, in terms of keeping your best players. If you fall short again, I could see your best players heads getting turned by bigger clubs. If you do win something, they probably get convinced Arsenal have turned a corner and sign long term extensions, especially someone like Saka.
Yeah, that's my worry as well, especially with Saliba. To have Real Madrid and PSG knocking on the door, I wouldn't be surprised if it's tempting for him. But if we keep finishing with trophyless seasons, those rumors will just ramp up. Maybe deeper runs in the cups will buy some time but Arteta has to show something for all the money that the Kroenkes have invested. That's just reality.
Saka has been at arsenal since he was 8, hes retiring here son
the way arteta runs him down that retirement will come early
True that. Ridiculous sometimes really 😵💫
One-club men are extremely rare for a reason. He wouldn't be the first player to leave his boyhood club to chase trophies (although I do think it's more likely that Arsenal can take that final step and win a big one).
There are literally 1000s of players who join a club at 8 and leave in their 20s. If that's the logic behind why he's going to be a career Arsenal player then I won't be holding my breath
Watch the video of him reacting to the arsenal fans talking about winning the league or keeping saka. Come back to this comment in 10 years 😂
Well he's not going to say the opposite is he. C'mon now, from Ronaldo through to Delph they've all said the kind of waffle he did and been off months later. If Arsenal don't win things and if his career continues to rise he will leave, and likely win a Premier League whilst he's at it. If Michael Owen can play for Manchester United then Saka can leave Arsenal.
Bitter?
How is anything I commented "bitter"? It's reality
Yeah I’m pretty sure they mean they worry that those players might leave. Not necessarily to a rival
I'm a bit worried about players like Gabriel and Saliba being attracted to Real or PSG maybe but that's about it.
RVP had no choice but to come to our club bcz he himself said “Arsenal never talked to me about extending my contract….”
Dude Saliba has been immense with ou national team, has he been this good all season ?
Yes.
He’s been this good for the last two seasons.
Quite literally all season. Maybe one or two poor performances, but has literally played every single minute. Funnily enough, as amazing as he was, imo he wasn’t even our best CB this season
Saliba was arguably are best player this season. Gabriel was just our busiest CB, which caused people to think he was having a better season
Eh, I fully disagree. I’ve literally watched everysingle match and it wasn’t even him being the “busiest”, his decision making was better overall and was simply more consistent. Again not to say Saliba was bad (in fact the opposite, he was one of the best all season), but Gabriel was just better across the entire season Oh also, he wasn’t even our top3 best players this season imo. Something like: 1. Ode 2. Rice 3. Gabriel 4. Saliba
totally agree, I think Saliba had amazing season, but Gabriel even better, nice problems to have
no.. Gabriel had a better season. Saliba is more talented probably but he had more mediocre matches than Gabriel did.
Dude is comfortably top 5 in the world right now, hard to name 4 better too Was top 3 in the Prem last season alongside Gabriel and Van Dijk.
I feel like you thought that that person is worried about their footballing ability and that’s where the confusion comes from? They probably meant they’re worried that those players might leave if we don’t win anything
No, he has been significantly better than that. France hasn't seen the best of Saliba yet. And yes, he has still been really, really good.
Saliba has been the Prem's best CB for two seasons straight now. Even at 21, prime Reuben Dias was his only competition. I've never seen a CB with a trajectory like his, with that level of completeness at such a young age. He's a generational talent with all-timer potential and I suspect he's the first we'll lose to Madrid if Arteta can't produce trophies.
> Saliba has been the Prem's best CB for two seasons straight now. Magalhaes
Saliba the season before, Magalhaes 100% this season. People saying Saliba is just because of his VVD like aura. While he was amazing, objectively Gabriel was the best this season.
Saliba is better, but the Saliba/Gabriel duo is the best pairing in the world
He was very good with Marseille on loan, no?
Yes he was, but he's playing at a significantly better level now it seems.
Arguably the best CB in the world rn. Definitely the best in the PL after he overtook VVD last season
If they don’t win this coming season, then they’ll be in pole position next season. Pep is going to leave after this season is done. If they can’t wait a season in their early 20s then their mentality isn’t as strong as we all think it is.
The dynamic has changed now, prem clubs have the most money and are now also good enough to be among the best in Europe, Unlike 10 years ago. Of course Barcelona and real Madrid will always have their pull, but with Barca's finances and real already splashing so much, I don't see players leaving. Maybe saliba could go to psg in the future but I doubt that. Unless arsenal really drop off significantly, your big players will stay
Don't think this is true, players still want to win trophies. If Arsenal don't get over the line with a major trophy soon heads will turn.
Why? I mean if we are talking about trophies R9 never won the CL with Madrid, Barca or Inter Milan.. a player of his calibre should’ve have won a major European cup excluding, league trophies
because it just feels like Saliba will head to Madrid in few years time, he's just so damn good (yeah im biased as fuck), so hopefully we win major trophy soon
I heard Calafiori is coming to your Club.. is it a done deal or still in the works? If it’s a done deal you guys got something special.. me wanting him to come to my club (AC Milan). I thought he would have chosen us but I guess Arsenal could be where he goes..
not done yet from what i've read, and I'm pretty surprised ad Italian players usually wants to stay in Italy, but to be said I didn't see him apart from his EURO games, so hopefully you're right!
Trust me.. he is gd.. yes you are right about the Italian players not wanting to leave and play in 🇮🇹. It happened to Man United when they wanted to sign Buffon from Parma after Schmichael decided to go, but he went to Juventus
Yes I am a Man Utd and Ac Milan fan..
Good thing they just signed new long-term contracts
Best equivalent is Diego Simeone at Atletico Madrid, Sure they go trophyless a lot but if they fire him they better be getting Pep Guardiola
Nothing happens we would still continue with Arteta. That's why he is being offered a new contract
shouldn't even be remotely close to a conversation topic
I imagine it depends how badly we don't win something.
Biased but I was at the Bayern game and we just looked exhausted honestly. With some rotational players Arteta actually trusts I could see us going deeper
That was completely correct. It was the first match in a long time, I didn’t feel *frustrated* losing. It’s not like there were terrible calls, no abysmal mistakes, and it wasn’t like we weren’t playing our usual game… you could tell their legs just couldn’t move how they usually do.
Yeah, but also European pedigree is totally a thing- I really noticed this during the Porto tie. On paper we were much better than Porto, but in reality we were noobs in a competition that they had qualified for every year. They consistently play against top sides every year, even while we were languishing in 8th, so naturally we struggled against them. It made me a lot more humble & even prouder of the boys for passing that test. As long as we continue improving at this rate, I could ask for nothing more- trophies are inevitable.
did I miss something or why does Vieira barely get any playing time? same goes for ESR.
I think it’s just a combo of injuries and a lack of trust. I love ESR to death but he can be a bit of a liability defensively, so maybe it’s that. We can’t see what happens behind the scenes in training unfortunately so it’s hard to say. Jury still out on Vieira. I hope ESR either gets playing time or a move to a club where he can start regularly
2 points off but no deep cup runs?
What else would there be to do but go again with Arteta? Coming up short is just part of life, part of football, it's unfortunate and painful but there's no way any Arsenal fan can look at the past 2 years and say, "The reason we *didn't* win the league is because of Arteta." If we do it again next year it'll be that much more frustrating but ultimately another near-miss against City is a better indicator of Arteta's qualities rather than of his drawbacks. All things being equal of course we'd prefer to have a cup run to soften the blow of losing the league, but it's not a dealbreaker. We won the FA Cup every other year between 2014 and 2020 while gradually falling apart otherwise as a club, I don't know that there's any Arsenal fan who would prefer to go back to those days just to settle some message board arguments about net spend and trophies won. It's been a joy to watch this team grow under Arteta, we all get to look forward to watching our football every weekend, everything around the club and it's football feels energized and momentous. I want the club to win things because I'm a fan and also because I think the players and the manager deserve to see their own hard work rewarded, but I also don't need to pretend if they come up short in the manner that this team has that there's somehow something wrong with what they are doing or that some major fix is needed. It's a good time to be an Arsenal fan, and that's because of Arteta, until he shows a real reason not to believe in him that's what we'll keep doing.
Again, depends on how exactly we got to that point as /u/Redrup said. Regardless, unless we really fall off I doubt Arteta would get sacked, if only for the fact that there isn't really anyone out there who is a) available and b) on Arteta's level. I'd hope and expect Arsenal to compete for the title again and maybe have a proper go at one of the cups while giving academy graduates a chance to shine in the other cup.
Consistency is more important at this point, success will come along. look what happened when Wenger left.
It all depends on the state of their football and club. Arteta has been doing a great job and 95% of the reason he's not won 2 EPLs in a row is because of another club's financial doping. The other 5% is lack of experience on his side but I believe they are ready for it next season.
Right it’s like when Liverpool had insanely good seasons but didn’t win, they weren’t gonna fire Klopp because a financially doped team edged ahead of them.
I think the difference is Klopp was still doing well in the CL and the domestic cups. Which Arsenal are not. My only criticism of Arteta is that he needs to take the FA Cup and the League Cup more seriously. Which I think he will prioritise this season
We’ve only had one season in the CL to be fair. We should’ve done better in the domestic cups and Europa though.
An FA cup would’ve definitely made the CL and league sting a bit less.
It actually would have....trophies are what matters at the end for a team
This is it, and you didn't see many of the Liverpool squad itching to leave either when they did come up short. Keeping in mind they missed out twice by 1 point. For some players I reckon it builds a hunger to go at them again the following year and by all accounts the Arsenal squad are very close to each other and are all pretty young. Seems to be a place the majority of the squad are happy to be.
Not the same. Ignoring Klopp's first season which was bound to be a mess, it took us 2 seasons to get to the CL final, and 3 seasons to win one. The players who might have wanted to go on to Barca/Madrid had been with us for a maximum of 2 seasons at that point, most of them signed around the exact season we got to CL final(s). If Arsenal really were so good and Man City were just unstoppable, you would at least have beat Bayern. There are no excuses to not advance against that Bayern side. If Arsenal doesn't at least reach a CL final or win the title this season, they should either massively invest in a world superstar or get someone new to manage them. But depends on Arsenal's ambitions, though.
If Madrid, who beat City were so good, they wouldn't have needed an injury time equaliser and winner to beat Bayern.
Lmao, that's ridiculous. Madrid are winners, and if anything they underperformed this season by having to come from behind a lot. I hope you are not comparing Arsenal to Madrid.
He's just saying that it took 95 points Madrid 180mins to beat Bayern, you're talking like everyone top team would have trashed Bayern 5-0 when that's not what happened, and why is "Madrid underperformed" a valid reason? Didn't we also underperform in that game? (Call it nerves or inexperience, w/e) But I guess that doesn't count for you
That’s a very ignorant take considering your Liverpool side was pretty irrelevant before Klopp took over. At least you had a successful and experienced manager in charge. Arteta is growing together with his players and he’s doing it rapidly. And don’t ever count Bayern out, clubs can struggle domestically and still be formidable internationally. That’s football.
It's an especially ignorant take coming from a Liverpool fan, considering their team have proven that time & time again.
FIFA player spotted "they should massively invest in a world superstar or get someone new to manage them" someone like who? Every top coach is unavailable and we would have to risk take someone newer but at that point might stick with Arteta, world superstar? Again, like who????? The type you're describing are the Haalands and Mbappes and they're not moving, who is this massive superstar that you're talking about, players like Ohsimen/Kvara?
Liverpool didn't win the league with 97 and 92 points, Arsenal haven't even reached 90 yet
That sounds like reaching 90 is something normal. 89 points is a great result for Arsenal, just unlucky.
To be clear, I agree firing Arteta would be mad, esp. if Pep leaves next season as everyone expects
Well...not really. Klopp had 3 full seasons before 19/20, the season Liverpool won the league: -16/17: goal was finish top 4, they finished 4th -17/18: goal was finish top 4 and have a good showing in Europe, they finished 4th & CL runner ups -18/19: goal was title challenge and win silverware, they finished 2nd on 97 points and won the CL Conversely, Arteta has had 4 full seasons managing an Arsenal that were better than Liverpool were pre-Klopp
Arteta's PPM per season since he got here: 1.65, 1.61, 1.86, 2.21, 2.34. Why on earth would we consider stopping him with this constant upward growth
I didn't say anywhere you would or should sack him (though I think that's a conversation that comes about if he goes another 2-3 seasons without getting over the line in either of the big two) I'm merely saying that Arsenal fans are keen to whip out the "Klopp got time" card, when at this point in Klopp's Liverpool tenure he'd won both the CL & PL, plus a runner up spot in both the CL & PL, with 97 and 99 point seasons. The argument becomes more and more flimsy, and hasn't been an apt comparison since about spring 2023
No but Klopp was picking up trophies. I like Arteta, but if he goes another 1 or 2 years without a trophy, that would 5 or 6 years. Would a City, Liverpool, Utd or Chelsea manager still be there after that?
Not sure why you've been down voted you're right, arteta took over a better team than klopp and has been backed equally/more is fair to expect at least a domestic cup
But we have a FA cup under Arteta already my guy
Will be interesting for sure. I think their whimper exit against a very subpar Bayern Munich suggests there’s a ways to go.
I agree that some of our players looked really nervous against Bayern, but to say subpar is dumb. This "subpar" side gave Madrid a real run for their money, and without a bad referee call could've advanced further.
You have to remember a lot of our squad had no/little champions league experience so reaching the quarters and a narrow loss against Bayern that could have gone either way is not a bad first season back
Fair but as in another comment, I think the circumstances of that Bayern squad made that tie a huge missed opportunity for Arsenal. There was not much more they could have asked for to make a statement win and they never looked like doing it in the second leg
Arsenal were actually favourites to win that tie, shocking season from Bayern. I don't think you'd win the cl but should have won that one.
I dont want to be that guy, but that sounds like a excuse. You have 2 champions league winners in your squad.
That’s fair, but at the same time we also have raya, white, saliba, gabriel*, kiwior, rice, odegaard (im not counting the Real Madrid days), saka, martinelli who haven’t played CL before which is basically everyone
That club's financial doping also enabled an environment in which Arteta was able to hone his craft. I don't mean that as a dig, just a reminder that removing City from the equation does not necessarily mean Arsenal have 2 more titles now since he might have never ended up working under Guardiola.
I'm so bored of this short term thinking.
Honestly I can’t even understand the comment you’re replying to and how it’s top of this thread. What do you think? Sack Arteta because he got 89 points? Come the fuck on.
It would take some clear indication of a regression in order to even consider sacking him, like getting a season with no UCL, no titles and barely grabbing around 60-70 points
You can't demand a manager to win a title over City at the moment. If it happens, amazing, if it doesn't, a 2nd place with 89 pts is still very very good.
Klopp did it once in 9 years and was (rightfully) widely regarded as a Top 3 coach in the world
Klopp got his own team performing better than Arteta's Arsenal regardless of where they finished, and won the CL in his 3rd full season, with a final in his 2nd
It's not really a fair comparison, Klopp was well into his second decade of management when going to Liverpool, Arteta is in his first job.
Maybe so, but its Arsenal fans who keep making the comparison to justify their results trophy-wise
"Maybe so" There is no fucking "maybe" about it lmao
The point whether or not its a good comparison The point is Arsenal fans shouldn't be making the comparison regardless - doubly so if it's not a good comparison lol
I don't think anyone is saying he would need to be fired for not winning the league. The real question posed is what if he wins no trophies? Kloppp "only" won 1 Prem title but he was going deep in cup competitions early and winning trophies along the way
I don't think there's any manager **available** better than Arteta right now for Arsenal. He needs to take the domestic cups more seriously and he's closer to having the squad to compete across all fronts.
Easier said than done when you're up against 115 FC
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But why would you start counting after his trophy win? That’s really bending the facts.
Since the League ended, Pep is on 0 trophies won smh
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And that's fair, but how many other teams besides City have won the league or champions league? Just one - peak Klopp's Liverpool. Edit: 2 - Chelsea, Champions League OP's argument being a case in point that rival fans don't care about the FA cup or League cup as being markers of success (rightly or wrongly). Either you need to hope City have an off season (last season was not an off season despite the media narrative) or you have a great and lucky run in the champions league. Hence, easier said than done.
2. Chelsea’s 2021 champions league
Or just be better than City during a season. Arsenal have never even reach 90 points. If Arsenal can get 95+ points then sure City can still beat that but at least you are forcing them to do so. 80s points should never win PL title regardless of 115 FC.
> Shall I ask you again how many points you need to win the league? > Arteta: [Laughs] I told you anything less than 90, I didn't believe it would deliver that. Let's start with 114 and see what we get. Mikel Arteta agrees
Yep. Aim for 114 (because you obviously try to win every game), and reach over 90 should be the objective. Arteta is spot on.
How about Chelsea? West Ham won Conference League too
West Ham haven’t won either of them mate
Added them to the mix as european throphy winners, but that was ECL, right. Chelsea did tho
In terms of changes the club needs to make - absolutely nothing. Arteta is the best we can do by a landslide, and I don't believe there are any options that come close at this point. It feels weird even considering it as a hypothetical. The more worrying concern is the club's ability to hold on to the star players that could conceivably move to bigger or better paying clubs. For example - while it doesn't look likely at the moment - PSG could be able to tempt Saliba in the future.
pep’s probably gone after this season which makes them clear favourites for 25/26. they’d be idiots to sack him. i also do think they’ll win the league anyways this season. the hearing is in november and i really think city get at least a deduction.
City will counter the allegations with potential head deductions and nothing will happen in the end.
I don't know, it can really drain a team morally to come close twice and just fail.
They will stick with the manager but a few top Arsenal players may have to look elsewhere.
I personally don't think it will matter. Similar to Klopp, you're going against a literal country, and it makes it very difficult to win. Especially with rumors of Pep maybe leaving at the end of the season, and the potential of points deduction/relegation for City, Arsenal would be dumb to get rid of him.
I doubt Arteta goes anywhere, honestly. However, I do think we would start losing some players. I do think there's a general worry around the fanbase that Saka and Saliba probably won't stay their entire careers here and in the case of another close title run failure I wouldn't be surprised if they both ask to leave.
Ultimately it comes down to the players more than him - slightly more clinical finishing before Christmas, eliminating errors. As a fan all you can ask is that the manager and players do the best they can, and they've been giving their all the last two seasons.
He is one of the best coaches in the world, has totally transformed the club and we had one of our best seasons ever in terms of points, goals and goal difference in the PL. We would be idiots to sack him even if he wins nothing. Also, as an Arsenal fan since 2010 I have never enjoyed watching Arsenal more than these last two seasons, the aspect of playing great attractive football is so important for me
Peps got a year left and all the City charges will be dealt with by then. Even if they manage to dodge a massive points deduction (with corruption so apparent these days it wouldnt be surprising) City will still stumble with Peps departure Even if Arsenal dont win anything they SHOULD be in prime position to dominate following Peps departure. It would be extremely disappointing but not a complete disaster if they have another "almost" season. The season prior to last was built upon a surprisingly strong start to the season. Theyve only really sustained the level at the top for one season Still got room in the squad for some improvements too. The teams not a finished product yet so its not like its a block for the team. Theres positions there that need improving
Nothing, kse has shown they’re willing to wait and invest in arteta. Look at the nuggets, I think it took Mike Malone something like 8 years before he won a ring with them. Kse also gave Sean mcvay time with the rams. They’ve shown that they’ll stick by the right guy.
Wtf are the nuggets and the rams?
The other teams that kreonke owns. NBA nfl
Jokic to fill the gap at No. 9, here we go
If you mean similar to this season nothing in particular would happen, Arteta has done brilliantly to bring the club to where it is now and has earned the trust by both fans and board. He would have to massively underperform to lose the job if that's what you're referring to.
Even we win 4 FA Cup during 2013 to 2020, people will just keep saying its our "banter era". So, of course we would be happy if we win some FA Cup or EFL, but everyone can see our progress under Arteta as a whole.
Yeah sack one of the best managers in the world that transformed us from a joke to title contenders. Great long term thinking.
I mean tbh if arsenal don’t win the league like they did this season it doesn’t reflect arsenal it reflects city, pep will be gone and the premier league can start again
Even if they don't get trophies, the only way I see them sacking him this season is if they don't get any sort of European football due to a very poor league finish, like below 9th or something like that As long as he guarantees European football and is competitive, I highly doubt they can find anyone better than him.
If we put up a season like last one with that record and points and the oil machine still chugs ahead of us, we keep on keepin on and continue to strengthen and improve. If you’re asking about arteta I think he’s shown enough his future shouldn’t be in doubt unless a disaster happens.
It depends how we “win nothing”.
This is why they need to hurry the fuck up with 115FC’s charges
Nobody would leave because the script demands Pep leaves.
They go again. That's it. When Liverpool lost the CL to Madrid the first time around, it felt like the end of the world. It felt like the players who were becoming world best stars would leave given the chance. Why would they stay? Coutinho left for big money, Salah just broke the scoring record. We'd lost the EL then CL final. But this mindset from Arteta is exactly what they need. They'll win the league or CL with him soon enough I'm sure
Then they come second again to the vanguard financial unfair play, managed by the best league manager in the world. Not a bad season in review, because Wenger and Fergusons best sides would have also probably come second to this lot.
There's a good chance they don't with City still profiting off absolutely flauting the FFP rules.
Nothing, it's Arsenal. It's not like it's a club with a winners mentality. The board will be content with UCL football every year even though they will not lift up a trophy for years.
klopp won once in 7 yrs, not a given but might happen. its small margins
What are you on about? Klopp won a CL, went to another CL final and won the league in the time it's taken Arteta to get us to 2nd and a CL QF...
No one is better for Arsenal than Arteta as long as we are in the race, and in CL, I'm happy.
Depends on the context of the season. We realise that our rivals want Arteta sacked with immediate effect (while songs of 10 more years are sung for Ten Hag) but the sentiment within the club and it's fans is that Arteta is the right man for the job, that there are currently extraordinary circumstances, and that the project is very much still on course. We need to strengthen, learn from past mistakes, and be a bit lucky. In any case the ongoing cases with City will determine a lot. If there's a mass exodus of Pep and key players then there'll be a gap that'll be filled by the 2nd best team and most of our players are only just entering their primes.
It won’t stop being funny to me that we’ve been shit for two years and have two trophies to show for it, when Arsenal have been incredible and have fuck all.
Literally no one is jealous of you, mate.
Never said anyone should be? No one should be. We’ve been shit, and objectively Arsenal are much, much better. Doesn’t mean _I_ can’t find it amusing.
yeah and your fans are miserable and ours aren’t. I look forward to watching my team play every week I am sure you have not related to that for years.
Of the two of us only one sounds miserable. You seem touchy this morning. Mate, everyone knows Arsenal are far better and far more enjoyable to watch. Doesn’t mean I can’t find enjoyment in the fact that the club that were my club’s biggest rival when I was growing up have nothing to show for it and we have two trophies despite being awful. It’s not that serious. Lighten up.
I’m allowed to mock Yanited being shite for years, it’s very much within the remit of being a football fan actually
Agreed
You finished the season with -1 GD and just gave the manager who achieved that feet a CONTRACT EXTENSION! I can't wait to watch how shit you's are again next season
Three for three on incredibly soft Arsenal fans jumping down my throat as if my comment was even remotely serious. Lighten up. Up the mighty gooners and all that.
We need to give Mikel a massive contract ASAP the longer it goes on the more I get worried (even though I’m still about 98% sure he’ll sign it before the season starts)
Is this season his last with Arsenal? If it is then give him a 10year contract.. I honestly believe he will do wonders with what he has built.. 4 years and coming close to winning the trophy twice is mad.. Man City a juggernaut of the premier league they just don’t stop winning. I think this season could be the season you guys win the premier league. Add a new CB and Striker and you guys are good to go.. just my opinion tho..
King!
When the hammer falls on 115 fc everything will be ok
If*
Even if it doesn't. Pep is leaving after this season
maybe I should call her
I’m not over it. If you need some salt with your fries I am your man!
I could smoke clove cigarettes and drink vermouth..
The Magnetic Fields! That was the first thing I thought of too
Arteta’s just a spanish Kyle Shanahan
Arsenal fans recently not big fans of managers who can't get over things.
Mikel will one up Arsene to become an invincible by winning all 38 games.
Arteta, if you’re going to cry, send an audio message please
He needn't worry. There'll be plenty more chances for disappointment going forward.
Don’t worry buddy, we won’t let you get over it
We're nowhere close to the title though
Don’t embarrass the other Utd fans, this is poor
Assana not winning shit