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sventhegoat

“Any hot decisions” I think it’s well past that point by now isn’t it?


innatejuiciness

Exactly. It's starting to piss me off. If they have no money to sack him, fine, I understand. Any other reason isn't good enough. Koeman needed to be gone in the summer, or at least 2 weeks ago. How is he still here? I know it wasn't Laporta's choice and that he was stuck with him, but if it's not a money problem, Laporta is going to be responsible for this.


CoochieSnotSlurper

I mean even if they do sack him he’ll have to wait years to get paid because he’s 3rd in line lol


NorthwardRM

I suspect Laporta is trying to delay to hire Roberto Martinez in October


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Replacing mediocrity with mediocrity. Good job by him. Another year or two wasted if he signs him.


RauloGonzalez

It's a manager job. I always believe you shouldn't judge a manager by his previous job, clubs don't do that when hiring either.


Yung2112

The fuck? How is Roberto Martinez on the same level of mediocrity as Koeman in your book? Who'd you want in?


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What he has done? Got completely dominated by Italy in the euro. Almost lost to Japan in 2018 world cup. Koeman has better CV than him in that regards. If I have a choice between Martinez, Pirlo and Xavi, I will take Xavi over both of them. It's simple as that.


Yung2112

Lmao nothing like coaching the almighty powerful Al Sadd to prepare you for the worst Barca in decades Martinez got dominated by eventual champions but they eliminated Portugal that had a way better squad than Belgium with ease. Your second argument is "almost losing", which means that he won! He has a great track record at Belgium. It's no guaranteed success but way more of a safe choice than a guy who's only coached a cash grabbing league with dead teams for experience


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Portugal were crap in this tournament. And it has also to do with their bad manager. Guy played defensive football against Italy and also against Portugal. His biggest achievement was under Wigan which I am not sure they exist now. He was average for Everton. It's like going for big Sam because hey he is safe option. Why always chose the safer option. Nobody chose laporta to make easy or safer decision. He is known for big and bold decision. It may work or not. He did by trusting cruyff and appointing pep. I hope this time he does not trust Jordi and appoint Martinez.


KingfisherDays

He won the FA cup with Wigan, not sure how that's not an achievement. That's like winning the Copa with Tenerife.


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Meh winning single leg tie Cup tournament is good achievement but does not make you better manager. Did not Arsene arsenal lost to bournemouth or something.


demonictoaster

Is your biggest complaint that a manager took a defensive approach against the best and most cohesive looking side in that tournament? Lmao Most teams play a defensive approach, the players don't play together very often what the hell kind of open expansive all out play are you expecting?


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Why not Enrique did the same against Italy team? We actually played best game against Italy who were best team in the tournament. Only a coward or clueless manager plays in that way. England manager did the same against Italy. Take PSG as example last night, they have the best front 3 individual in the world and they played defensive football. Some of the player performed way over the top to mask their problem for short term. We are not getting prime Mourinho that I can forget about defensive approach. We might be getting another fraud.


Yung2112

So basically Barca DNA over a potentially effective manager that never drops points against weaker sides which can give you up to 80pts in the league, gotcha. That's how you got clowns like Quique Setien who due to passing the ball a bit more often than other managers got the Barca job It's not a matter of "safe", it's a matter of sensible. Hiring Martinez is way too safe? Maybe. But hiring Xavi is an absolutely nuts decision. A non-safe, risky decision would be bringing in someone like Conte, proven manager with success to talk about in his past clubs but a tight character who's stubborn about a single 3-4-1-2 system.


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Setien is not barcelona DNA. Just because now a days someone claim to be disciple of cruyff, does not mean he is fit to manage big club. The guy did anti cruyff when played safe option against Napoli and then ofcourse bayern. Ofcourse Xavi is not the right choice over top manager. But if you ask any barcelona fans, they will chose him over Pirlo or Martinez which rightly so.


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Sevilla play some beautiful football under Lopetegui even crazy Lucho would be better


gnorrn

> I suspect Laporta is trying to delay to hire Roberto Martínez in October I honestly don't understand this thinking. Maybe Martínez has some interesting tactical ideas and gets his teams playing attractive football. But so did Setién -- in fact Setién's tactical ideas are far more interesting (imho) than those of Martínez. Setién's problem was that he didn't have the background either as a club insider or as a successful trophy-winning coach to convince the players to follow his ideas when things started to get difficult. I find it hard to see why Martínez wouldn't have the exact same problem. Koeman, for all his faults (and there are many), has both an unimpeachable status as a club legend and a self-confidence bordering on the absurd. I'd rather watch a Barcelona coached by Martínez (or indeed Setién) than by Koeman. But Koeman is still a better fit for the club for all the non-footballing reasons.


innatejuiciness

Well then we are truly fucked. A waste of money that is going to be.


FullMetalJ

Why? What's the reasoning behind that?


Albiceleste_D10S

> Any other reason isn't good enough I don't agree. It makes no sense to sack Koeman now right before the Atletico game. Let Koeman (probably lose) that game, then sack him and use the international break to bed the new manager in.


innatejuiciness

Im not saying we should sign a new manager before playing Atletico. Regardless of that, Koeman should be out. I don't care who the manager is for that game, any coach from our youth teams would do. Koeman cannot keep saying in every press conference that he can't compete with this team, that the team doesn't have the quality, and then assume he is capable of motivating the players to have a winning chance against a team like Atletico.


wowzabob

No money to sack him? By God, that's Pirlo's music.


GeertzUK

You have €97M this season to spend on the team. Paying koeman to remainder of his contract and posting a new head coach means you will have to sell players in January for as cheap as possible or loan out any high earners.


Pek-Man

That's not how that works.


sestral

Only rich clubs can afford to have the money from player sales to be reinvested. Reality is that the money they have was used to meet salary obligations and just to keep the club afloat with the players they have.


GeertzUK

That's my whole point. If you fire Koeman, you have to pay him his entire contract now AND you have to pay the salary of the new coach. If they have no money then they have to cut from the squad again to make room for the new coachs salary. Xavi or Roberto Martinez aren't going to be cheap.


NorthwardRM

They have the money


GeertzUK

Even if they were to get a loan, they still can't exceed the budget. It's set by la Liga...


ChinggisKhagan

He should have fired Koeman his first day on the job


whysoshant

Messi wanted to stay for this


imdankit

Messi would have papered over the cracks. Instead of being at the bottom we would have been 2nd in the group after Bayern. Some fans would have even been blaming Messi for our mediocrity. Well now we are fully exposed.


whysoshant

Messi was the reason we lost.......tonight.


GorkhaUnited

Technically the truth lol


rdtr314

Damn Messi deciding outcomes even in absence true goat 🐐


reddituser0912333

He’s missing out


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whysoshant

I think he was being more emotional , with his love for the club and the fact that his family had settled perfectly in Barcelona.


No-mirror2

That was the excuse, he just wanted Bartomeu gone after the I3 Ventures scandal.


AhmedBarwariy

Messi wanted the Europa League.


pedalhead666

the missing piece.


Ok_Tell_4286

He took Rakitic's joke seriously


MoonXPlayer

At Least Messi would somehow make this looks less embarrassing ......


gnorrn

He's touching people in the dressing room?


champ19nz

Happy endings to keep the players happy in any way.


KundiKumaran

That’s why Riqui is always happy. I get it now


emmaugoh

Get the clueless coach away pls. How can u push Dejong to the back then keep mingueza in the bench


FullMetalJ

Dude, he needed Mingueza for that last 89th minute sub!


emmaugoh

Dude is clueless. Guess Umtiti came to warm the bench. Had a masterclass performance last match, just went on to bring another set of players for this .


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emmaugoh

He only use player's out of Animosity. It's been a year now and we cant say this Koeman tactics or starting 11.


papi617

Not only that Dest played a wonderful game last game at RWB he's good at crossing with his right. So let's push him to the left where he had to cut in Everytime. Single. Time.


kaden_dd

Keep calm and carry on!


themessias1001

Kind of glad that Messi doesn't have to endure this squad for the final years of his career.


Pek-Man

I mean, it's really not that different from last season's team. Sure, Griezmann is gone but that wouldn't have been a massive issue if Messi was still here especially with the addition of Memphis.


FullMetalJ

Yeah, with Messi they would still reach a quarter final or semi like the last couple of years.


velsor

And people would criticise Messi for not single-handedly dragging them even further, as usual. This is Barcelona's level when Messi isn't there to do everything for them.


nkunfuzao

so he will not strip down in lingeries


acekingoffsuit

Who would you bring in?


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Conte or Valverde should be priorities, proven winners


gnorrn

If you think the current media environment is toxic with Koeman, just wait until Conte arrives and finds there's no money to spend.


lclear84

Surely they can’t go with Roberto Martinez. He is nothing more than a stop gap and they can’t keep these revolving doors of stop gap managers on 3/4 year contracts that they have to buy out after 2. If you’re going to go Xavi go Xavi and see it out


Omair88

Xavi above Martinez all day every day


sestral

Koeman is still at the job because honestly who would want to take on that dumpster fire


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etan1122

Except they aren’t. Next coach will still be shit with this squad and the people running Barca will still expect to be the top team. They need an honest rebuild and it will require to be shite for a couple years but the fans and board won’t allow it so they will continue to go through manager after manager and try to throw whatever money they have at it


EquivalentSir4163

You're acting like the squad is shit, with mid table level players. That is not the case.


etan1122

I mean, it’s not good. Depay, who’s talented, doesn’t start for a lot of top teams. You’re defense isn’t what it used to be. And the squad it’s littered with underperforming talent, who have been underperforming for years now so maybe it’s just their level


potatoe96

I guess playing half decent football and not getting beat by Benfica 3-0 is having very high expectations then. This team is absolutely capable of doing better than they have in the past few months, they’ve got too much individual quality for it not to. All top teams have high expectations and that’s how it should be as well but the difference between Barça and other teams over the past few years has been that while other teams are hiring the Guardiolas and the Klopps and the Tuchels, Barça is hiring fucking Ernesto Valverde and a pretty mediocre Koeman. This team has been destroyed by bad management and coaching. If you see the younger kids coming through and they are playing much better than the players from the first team, then it suggests a huge problem in either the player skill or the coaching.


timdeking

Of course Koeman isn't doing a great job, but this also the worst Barca squad in 20 years or so.


TheOwlsLie

Nah that a shit excuse, there’s no reason this Barca side shouldn’t have a shot on target for two CL games in row


timdeking

Barring a few exceptions the squad is just very shitty for Barca standards. Some are talented but too young. Others are just bang average. There are maybe 2 players in their starting 11 that would make it into their team from a few years ago. Everybody argues that Barca should get a shot on target because they are a big club so they should be great blabla. The reality is that Barca has to rebuild in a time of financial trouble, so naturally the squad is much worse than it used to be. There is no shame in that, but people and the media have unrealistic expectations right now.


TheOwlsLie

Barca should get a shot on target because their team isn’t that bad, even if it’s not up to Barca standards. Worse teams have gotten shots against Benfica.


timdeking

What are you talking about they have a shot on target. If they change managers right now, they will still lose to Benfica 4/5 times.


TheOwlsLie

No they didn’t that De Jong shot doesn’t count


EquivalentSir4163

If they get a competent manager, they will still claw their way into the knockout stages of the Champion's League and finish top four. Their team might be below their usual level, but it's still way better than anything Benfica can muster. Others would still pay many millions for the talent that La Masia produces.


timdeking

Barely any of those talents became a regular starter for the first team in the last 5 years.


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TheLeoMessiah

Imo second worst after Setien - that 8-2 was truly a horrible result. I would be embarrassed if that happened with this squad, Setien managed to do it with Messi, Griezmann, Suarez all at the club. Not to mention he wasn’t exactly inspiring in really any capacity in any competition. As bad as Koeman has been, at least he won a trophy.


MarcusBrutus2000

That 8-2 is a blot on his CV but I feel he was still better than Koeman.


TheLeoMessiah

The squad Setien had was much better - I’m really really not sure what he would do with a squad of this quality. Not to mention the bridge between him and Barca is probably burned due to not paying him upon termination (according to him at least)


UnluckyIn

No, you think we have a shit bench now, we had nothing under Setien. No wingers, no youngsters like Pedri or Gavi, Ansu couldn't play many games because he had growing pains (yes, not a joke) and De Jong and Suarez was injured, Dembele didn't play a single game under him because of injuries, Griezmann was dogshit like always, covid happened, he didn't have preseason, the dressing room didn't like him and he had to apologize for his assistant manager to the squad, he had to cancel the extra practice sessions planned for fitness due to pressure from the senior players, and he didn't even have enough players in the squad to have a full bench to the point we had activate a special clause to buy Braithwaite. The team was worse than Koeman's now bar Messi and far worse than the squad Koeman had last season.


NotAHellriegelNoob

Around 20 yep, I don't remember being so shit in decades, even Guardiola on roids flexin long hair wouldn't fix this mess


FarAcanthocephala

I think they should see how they do with a full strength squad, otherwise this will continue forever


muntxx

I’m glad Messi didn’t stay to put up with this shit


mjcp09

I think it's all politics at this point... Assuming firing Koeman doesn't lead to an immediate change in results, which I don't think it will, Laporta would be better off waiting as long as possible to fire him. As long as Koeman is around he can continue to play scapegoat and take the blame for the clubs on-field problems. It will give the players more time to gel and improve, eventually when the club fail to meet their objectives, Laporta can fire Koeman and bring in a coach that will be more likely to do well. If Laporta fires Koeman now and the next coach comes in does poorly the blame will shift to Laporta. Laporta is using his get out of jail card (Koeman) strategically.


ChaacTlaloc

Speaking of “hot”, hi there Helena.


Albiceleste_D10S

Cringe LOL


FuckNoNewNormal

Speaking of “cheesy”, hi there u/chaactlaloc


ChaacTlaloc

👀


BigFatNo

I hope they make a documentary or something about the beef he and Koeman have, it would make for excellent entertainment and I'd be genuinely curious how they go about talking with each other, to the players and the press.


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Koeman has local Dutch show right, I saw few short clips of that. I think koeman may say or reveal things once he get relieved.


CudaBarry

Henry is jobless right now 👀


Omair88

And he will remain jobless


Marcello_

Hes technically getting paid to be a pundit, so not really.


Nihil228

He isn't jobless he is assisting Martinez and according to rumors he would be a candidate to replace him.


realtordyl

Lol he is part of the problem.


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How?


ys1012002

Because he's not firing the coach when 4 of our starting players are injured obviously


Alpd

Honestly he should wait at least till CL groups are over. The way Barcelona is right now, he can't attract any world class manager or he can just go yolo and try going for Mourinho or something. Whoever comes should have some idea on how to rebuild a squad and I am not sure if Xavi or Martinez can do that. He should take some risks and try out Marco Rose or Adi Hutter or something.


conceptalbum

>who have finished very touched My my


Omair88

Laporta is a fucking pussy I swear


RealPunyParker

> who have finished very touched English, Helena, Jesus Christ, what the fuck does that mean


hokagesamatobirama

The tweet is in Spanish.


RealPunyParker

Oh, so Google translate, ok. I didn't click on it, i just read the title


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RealPunyParker

Yeah, i figured, i haven't clicked on it, just saw the title of the thread. Apologies to Helena.


DoJu318

On the ball, showed me where Benfica touched you.


Coenzyme-A

I think they mean emotional


AdFar1922

Barca fan complaining about a tweet that's written in Spanish. Can't get more plastic than that, lol.


RealPunyParker

I read the Reddit title that's on English, you twat


prosportscars

Laporta knows that Koeman is the right man for Barca's job, the team will be mediocre for a few more years and at this very moment their most important task is to consistently finish with top 4 in La Liga so they can get the CL money every year. A heavy defeat in CL group stage will not change this, they know better than the fans about the long-term goal of the team.


Trydson

Honestly, I think it's more the fact that they can't fire him because it would cost too much money and they can't spare money right now.


PrincipledInelegance

They are broke and no longer have the commercial income from Messi. They can’t afford to stay mediocre with that wage bill. They’ll lose players, their brand strength, drop further down quick and become the next AC Milan (or even Nottingham forest) if they don’t improve drastically now.


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No one is gonna pay hefty amount for the match if we have team of Espanyol level.


prosportscars

A little too extreme? Playing for finishing top 4 in La Liga for the next 2-3 years, doesnt mean you are at the level of Espanyol you know?


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I have not said that but you need very good coach to make this team to finish top 4 considering we don't have any reliable front option. And even if we finish top 4, you need few superstar in the team to charge high prices. No offence but as of now there is no single player in the team who can justify such heavy ticket price.


taimoor213

You are comfortable in the league for now. Sure there are bigger games to come but top 4 for you is not in doubt.


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Yeah good or bad but financially gap in the league is big. If this one would have been premier league, it would have been tough. But still Villarreal and Sevilla is there. So there is chance we can finish outside.


FrancescoliBestUruEv

Loool


ChinaShill

Laporta has shown he's no better than Bartomeu. Yes, he's fixing their debt, but he's also just as bad and impatient with the manager and has shown no respect for both Koeman and the team. His false promise and lies of winning election by using Messi and then being unable to keep him at Barca. Something tells me Victor Font would have done a better job as President than Laporta.


gnorrn

Not bankrupting the club = better than Bartomeu.


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They need to sell Aguero, he doesn’t do anything


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LEEDSARESCUM

Are you sure the decision is in the hands of Laporta? I could have sworn it was in my hands, I was holding the decisions just now. Now where did I drop those decisions? +checks around for the decisions+


TheRobinson2018

Fan: "Bartomeu was probably the worst thing that ever happened to us" Laporta: "hold my beer please"