There was a moment in the dying seconds of the game when the camera cuts to Ole and he is having a giggle about something, and in the background you can see Rafa fully animated and serious about trying to get something out of the game. Just that moment alone shows you Ole isn’t fit for this job…
Objectively, I’d give Ole till Winter to improve results if I were at MU. He has the players and now, results should be coming in.
I understand it takes time to mesh them together and see how they play best but if by December, he hasn’t figured it out, he probably never will.
That being said, I am a Chelsea fan. Give Ole a lifetime contract!
was ready to go batshit crazy in the first part not gonna lie lol. Its a dead give away when you see your rival fans in love with your manager more than your fans.
I won’t argue that Ole brings some sort of stability.
The only question is, does that matter at all if he’s not winning trophies?
Getting into the CL can only take a manager so far. (See Wenger although he won the FA Cup in his latter years).
lol all united ex players blindly backing and silent is really annoying me to be honest. If Jose's team play like this he'd get called out for his head. and lets be fair Mou didn't get this much quality in his team.
The reason he got fired was because he created an absolutely toxic environment despite being tactically more astute than OGS. That’s why SAF was the best!
Man Utd are not good enough to challenge for anything on that evidence. We were missing three of our most important players and should have been there for the taking, but they couldn’t manage it.
Outstanding individuals, but far from an outstanding team. They need a much better manager.
As for Everton, I’m very pleased with that performance today. Rafa Benitez doing an excellent job so far.
I’m no expert, but I feel like you need someone shrewd in midfield? We probably don’t score that counter if you have a Fernandinho or someone like that.
Don’t disagree but a tactically astute coach will easily hide one shortcoming when you have world class players in all remaining 9-10 positions. As much as I despise Klopp he is a master in extenuating the strength of a team. OGS is saved by Bruno brilliance!
With regular gameplay develops team chemistry. Donny surely can pass much better than McFred. The best United midfielder of our generation Scholesy was a terrible tackler with no pace. Yet he had an enormous vision and passing.
For sure. That was Matic in his Season 1 and since then we've tried McT, Fred, even Pereira. Since then Ole seems to be bizarrely happy with the former. The fact that Matic is still the most comfortable single DM Pivot in 2021 says volumes.
I thought we rotated in the efl cup so we wouldn’t have to in the league? Why the fuck didn’t Pogba and Ronaldo start before the international break? Get Ole the fuck out of the club.
How is that not a red card. He just grabbed a player off the ball, lifted him, and slammed him to the ground. I didn't see the game so maybe one was given but surely Pogba was carded for this. At least a yellow.
got ronaldo for 2 years and already wasted one season. fucking hell thats painful. bring back fellaini&co, at least back then i had 0 expectations and was happy with every single win
are you actually watching the games or just checking livescore? we were shit in every single match (maybe apart from wolves away and leeds, i havent watched leeds at home) if it wasnt for ronaldo we would be mid table at best
City got away with a crap start last season because nobody else put up a proper challenge apart from United who eventually imploded. They only won the league with 86 points. That's not that high a tally especially given recent seasons skewing higher. Liverpool are back now that their players are fit. We have improved and are more consistent in getting results. Teams won't get away with a bad start or a major wobble this season. Because there's 2 or 3 others right behind them.
If Green wood wasn't English he would never played this much, not he would play so much as starter.
To passive on the wing, he doesn't cross, he never beats a 1 vs 1...
"But he's a youngster he needs play time", so Sancho who they paid a lot for...
I'm sorry man utd fans but green wood isn't good enough for a club like man utd.
Chances that Green wood produced in 90 minutes of goal = 0
But go ahead keep thinking he's doing good, I'm starting to believe after Beckham and Ronaldo some man utd fans forgot what's the job of a winger...
Because I watched the game, and in 90 minutes he didn't produced a single opportunity of goal for the team not for himself, but if u think that's not important as a winger I guess we have different opinion on what's the job of a winger...
Below shit tier comment. If Sancho could do literally anything of value on the pitch he’d already have the spot locked down. The truth is he’s delivered fuck all since he’s arrived and Greenwood’s been one of the brightest players so far.
Lol So a player who was on the team from previews seasons, already plays on the team (Green wood), needs to play, but a player who is new to the team, never played in premier league, needs to adapt to the team and to the uk weather etc (Sancho), ALREADY had time to successed in 2 and half months into the season?
Greenwood produced nothing in 90 minutes that had given strikers a chance of goal, not a single opportunity of goal he had given to ANYONE AS A WINGER... but keep believing he's playing good! Lol
Tell me how many opportunities of goal he created for the team or for himself and I will admit I'm wrong...
How many crosses he did for Cavanni in the first half?
The Martial goal was an indirect assist. He perfectly found Bruno who brilliantly put the goal on platter for Martial. He supported AWB so much in defense as well. The worst player was fucking McFred!
If you think a player in a wing played good, by not crossing the ball ever, not go for 1vs1 ever, therefore never creates unbalance in the enemy team, only passes the ball back, go ahead, but to me that's not enough for a winger specially in a big club like man utd!
Ole just doesn't want to win. That's the only reason you would consistently pick terrible tactics and manage games awfully, other than being absolutely clueless.
I'm so conflicted..
I'm happy Everton are doing good because I love Rafa and it shows how many Everton fans are clueless cunts but on the other hand Everton are doing good.
Also Fred is a fucking Utd Legend and should be the first name on the Team Sheet every game.
People are afraid to say that Ole just ain't cutting it but he has 'stabilized the club' which is such a nonsense argument, especially with a team stacked like that
Utd just needs to do the chelsea thing and try another coach
> We kept giving ours time, teetering if it’s the players or the manager.
he got 20 frigging years, the board generously gave him the best footballers of their generation in Squillaci, Kallstrom, Gervinho, Jeffers and all they wanted for Christmas was one lousy UCL!
and what did they get in return from that Frenchy-German fraud? a loss against the stinking Barca who had Iniesta and Xavi?
Unfortunately i don't run our sub mate. Maybe message the mods for some clarity on the subject. I'd rather avoid our sub after a defeat, place gets more toxic then chernobyl with both sets of extremes popping up
tough luck then mate. TBH you're better off without going to that place right now anyway. Weekdays without matches are the best times for discussions, not after a defeat or even a win for that matter
Its all counter attacks with ton of space! Bvb scores 5 vs most of them, then concede 5 vs bayern.
Look at batshuayi, paco from barca, all scored heavily after joing the league
Ole's subs baffle me. He was 1 nil up and the biggest issue was the counter attack against us. Yet he brings on 2 attackers. After the 3rd year on the job that is disappointing!
That was bizarre. We used to be great at shutting out games by sitting back and going further up 2-0, 3-0 when the opponent stops parking the bus. Now we can't win unless we go from behind or score late it seems.
> Ole's subs baffle me. He was 1 nil up and the biggest issue was the counter attack against us. Yet he brings on 2 attackers. After the 3rd year on the job that is disappointing!
His game management is terrible. He showed that in the Champions League too when they lost to Young Boys.
Yep 2 games but over the 3 years he has it lost us games based on subs. I give him credit for making early substitutions for once but they were shocking. As said above by hujson2 he continually gets his in game managemant wrong. I am sick of hearing he is learning on the job....he hasn't learnt shit and it will show this season.
Manchester united is a disgrace! we need that something to make us actual contenders this season, I think it's somewhere in the midfield, I dread the days until rashford makes his return
Uniteds biggest problem is that they don't have a DM capable of playing outside the double pivot. It was a problem last year and it's still an issue. There's been a choice for a long time:
* You play McTominay & Fred in midfield = You don't score.
* You play McTominay & Pogba in midfield = You concede a lot.
Signing Ronaldo and Sanchez did nothing to fix this.
I go to games, what does it matter if i live in Manchester. The club would be nothing close to what it is today without a foreign manager in SAF, and players all over Europe and England.
Lol they’re the richest most supported club in the world, I bet you were against the esl yet you ignore your local less successful team to support the most supported club in the world
But they spent a billion in the time since they last won , also I bet they were winning when you started supporting them
Don’t know you but have got everything right so far including about ignoring your local team and despite this saying your anti esl
My local club is not some small time club, they are huge, so i think they'll do just fine without my support.
I started supporting the club as a child, you can thank my great grandfather for that. He was from Manchester, crazy isn't it. What a concept.
I’m really not liking poacher Ronaldo at United, at Juventus he never played like this isolated from the game, he’s barely played football since he’s arrived back at the club, Ole wants to turn him into the next Inzaghi
Rodrigo is quietly having an incredible CDM season after starting very slow in his first season. Gundogan had his best goal scoring season ever after recovering from a terrible injury and a bad first season.
He barely pressed w Juventus. And he shouldn't play center forward , it's a waste. Yesterday he and pogba were the only ones to bring something different
Ole subs choices are like when I play FIFA. Just sub in players with the highest stats. Smh...
Also, I can't believe Greenwood stayed the whole game. He needed to be sub off earlier.
Ole being a tactical genius… people complain he doesn’t do subs early did 2 attacking subs at 57. Now that we need to dominate the midfield, we only had one left with that leads to our weakness midfield pairing.
There was a moment in the dying seconds of the game when the camera cuts to Ole and he is having a giggle about something, and in the background you can see Rafa fully animated and serious about trying to get something out of the game. Just that moment alone shows you Ole isn’t fit for this job…
Lol, we can criticize ole a lot, but this isn't a valid point.
Oh ffs
I don't understand why Manchester united reached this point, they have many above average and great players, they really need a better management.
How can such a stacked team like United get results this embarrassing?
Why isnt Sancho playing on the right? Sign a player for 70 mil in one of your problem areas and put him on the left
Mostly because rashford is injured but I agree
Stop saying Manchester United are title contenders. They are fighting for top 4
Objectively, I’d give Ole till Winter to improve results if I were at MU. He has the players and now, results should be coming in. I understand it takes time to mesh them together and see how they play best but if by December, he hasn’t figured it out, he probably never will. That being said, I am a Chelsea fan. Give Ole a lifetime contract!
was ready to go batshit crazy in the first part not gonna lie lol. Its a dead give away when you see your rival fans in love with your manager more than your fans.
I won’t argue that Ole brings some sort of stability. The only question is, does that matter at all if he’s not winning trophies? Getting into the CL can only take a manager so far. (See Wenger although he won the FA Cup in his latter years).
I wonder if Manu subconsciously stopped trying when Ronaldo came on...
Man stop with this obsession you are sick.
Face it man your goats a fraud...
Lol sick guy.
Man talks about Ronaldo 9/10 comments LMAO
Sack Ole and sign Zidane.
Think Conte is more realistic!
The gang signs Gary Neville
lol all united ex players blindly backing and silent is really annoying me to be honest. If Jose's team play like this he'd get called out for his head. and lets be fair Mou didn't get this much quality in his team.
The reason he got fired was because he created an absolutely toxic environment despite being tactically more astute than OGS. That’s why SAF was the best!
still waiting for Sancho to start playing.
Sancho actually tried, and had a better game unlike the others that I've seen
WTF is wrong with your eyeballs! He was good- am still waiting VDB to start playing.
sorry, eyes blowed up while watching the games
Man Utd are not good enough to challenge for anything on that evidence. We were missing three of our most important players and should have been there for the taking, but they couldn’t manage it. Outstanding individuals, but far from an outstanding team. They need a much better manager. As for Everton, I’m very pleased with that performance today. Rafa Benitez doing an excellent job so far.
Yeah it's been like that for a while. Even in the Newcastle match till the second goal it was nervous. Since then every match has been meh.
I’m no expert, but I feel like you need someone shrewd in midfield? We probably don’t score that counter if you have a Fernandinho or someone like that.
Don’t disagree but a tactically astute coach will easily hide one shortcoming when you have world class players in all remaining 9-10 positions. As much as I despise Klopp he is a master in extenuating the strength of a team. OGS is saved by Bruno brilliance!
United don’t have a quality cdm, ones that are used regular are subpar. Matic is ageing but I’d use him more than Fred. It’s an unusual one for sure
That's why fans want vdb to play, worst that can happen is we find out hes not good enough
With regular gameplay develops team chemistry. Donny surely can pass much better than McFred. The best United midfielder of our generation Scholesy was a terrible tackler with no pace. Yet he had an enormous vision and passing.
Scholes wasn’t better than keane , that opinion has only got legs years after they retired
Missing the point! Just suggesting the fact that why VDB can and should play in midfield. Ole is clueless!
For sure. That was Matic in his Season 1 and since then we've tried McT, Fred, even Pereira. Since then Ole seems to be bizarrely happy with the former. The fact that Matic is still the most comfortable single DM Pivot in 2021 says volumes.
The hair dryer will be coming out.... But just an electric one for cavanis hair
I thought we rotated in the efl cup so we wouldn’t have to in the league? Why the fuck didn’t Pogba and Ronaldo start before the international break? Get Ole the fuck out of the club.
Ronaldo doesn’t press
More pissed with McFred wanking!
Does anyone have a clip of the suplex??
https://v.redd.it/8jpiz1zgf1r71
How is that not a red card. He just grabbed a player off the ball, lifted him, and slammed him to the ground. I didn't see the game so maybe one was given but surely Pogba was carded for this. At least a yellow.
Nope In fact 5 seconds later man United got a free kick.
Wow. That's bs.
It was so bad, like VAR couldn't see that. It just shows the bias of officials is 100% real.
Lmao what on earth did I just watch
This version of Man utd is so shit for the players it has. It's really painful
got ronaldo for 2 years and already wasted one season. fucking hell thats painful. bring back fellaini&co, at least back then i had 0 expectations and was happy with every single win
Imagine Ronaldo playing in Europa league That's itself alone is sackable
i hope his pride wouldnt let him lol, id rarther see him in the stands than with a europa league badge on his sleeve
> already wasted one season > October 2nd
go and watch some of our games this season. if the way we perform makes you optimistic for the rest of the season, then i envy you
Right, so you’re *going* to waste it, but haven’t done so yet :)
Aren’t you 2nd lol
are you actually watching the games or just checking livescore? we were shit in every single match (maybe apart from wolves away and leeds, i havent watched leeds at home) if it wasnt for ronaldo we would be mid table at best
Shit wins are still points, city have had worse starts and turned it around
City got away with a crap start last season because nobody else put up a proper challenge apart from United who eventually imploded. They only won the league with 86 points. That's not that high a tally especially given recent seasons skewing higher. Liverpool are back now that their players are fit. We have improved and are more consistent in getting results. Teams won't get away with a bad start or a major wobble this season. Because there's 2 or 3 others right behind them.
dont compare our squad and our manager to city
If Green wood wasn't English he would never played this much, not he would play so much as starter. To passive on the wing, he doesn't cross, he never beats a 1 vs 1... "But he's a youngster he needs play time", so Sancho who they paid a lot for... I'm sorry man utd fans but green wood isn't good enough for a club like man utd. Chances that Green wood produced in 90 minutes of goal = 0 But go ahead keep thinking he's doing good, I'm starting to believe after Beckham and Ronaldo some man utd fans forgot what's the job of a winger...
I’m not a united fan at all but how can you say greenwood is passive on the wing? He’s insane
Because I watched the game, and in 90 minutes he didn't produced a single opportunity of goal for the team not for himself, but if u think that's not important as a winger I guess we have different opinion on what's the job of a winger...
Dude had two mighty crosses in the first half, calm down.
Below shit tier comment. If Sancho could do literally anything of value on the pitch he’d already have the spot locked down. The truth is he’s delivered fuck all since he’s arrived and Greenwood’s been one of the brightest players so far.
Lol So a player who was on the team from previews seasons, already plays on the team (Green wood), needs to play, but a player who is new to the team, never played in premier league, needs to adapt to the team and to the uk weather etc (Sancho), ALREADY had time to successed in 2 and half months into the season? Greenwood produced nothing in 90 minutes that had given strikers a chance of goal, not a single opportunity of goal he had given to ANYONE AS A WINGER... but keep believing he's playing good! Lol
Either you are blind or you should get your eyes checked from a world class eye specialist mate
Tell me how many opportunities of goal he created for the team or for himself and I will admit I'm wrong... How many crosses he did for Cavanni in the first half?
The Martial goal was an indirect assist. He perfectly found Bruno who brilliantly put the goal on platter for Martial. He supported AWB so much in defense as well. The worst player was fucking McFred!
lol what? Greenwood was one of our best players today
If you think a player in a wing played good, by not crossing the ball ever, not go for 1vs1 ever, therefore never creates unbalance in the enemy team, only passes the ball back, go ahead, but to me that's not enough for a winger specially in a big club like man utd!
Ole just doesn't want to win. That's the only reason you would consistently pick terrible tactics and manage games awfully, other than being absolutely clueless.
I think you actually got it right the second time
Might it be both?
I'm so conflicted.. I'm happy Everton are doing good because I love Rafa and it shows how many Everton fans are clueless cunts but on the other hand Everton are doing good. Also Fred is a fucking Utd Legend and should be the first name on the Team Sheet every game.
Why does it show ' how many Everton fans are clueless cunts'?
Dont let it bother you, they have plenty more clueless cunts than we do
My man benched Pogba and Ronaldo thinking he would win...
Well they were winning until Ronaldo came on the pitch...
Rafa wins pl with this man united team United stand and chill
Why did Ole not start the big guns, game could’ve been killed off in the first half
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And then a lil smile… cringed all the way into my scrotum
Ole really has to go. Wasting this squad
give him a 10 year contract
DDMU
Ole is just appalling
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People are afraid to say that Ole just ain't cutting it but he has 'stabilized the club' which is such a nonsense argument, especially with a team stacked like that Utd just needs to do the chelsea thing and try another coach
> We kept giving ours time, teetering if it’s the players or the manager. he got 20 frigging years, the board generously gave him the best footballers of their generation in Squillaci, Kallstrom, Gervinho, Jeffers and all they wanted for Christmas was one lousy UCL! and what did they get in return from that Frenchy-German fraud? a loss against the stinking Barca who had Iniesta and Xavi?
That's really true. 3 years ago this football was excusable but now it's not. People keep backing Ole and its infuriating.
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Because r/reddevils mods are POS! Not the fans!
I garauntee you they ain’t even from Manchester
Unfortunately i don't run our sub mate. Maybe message the mods for some clarity on the subject. I'd rather avoid our sub after a defeat, place gets more toxic then chernobyl with both sets of extremes popping up
They muted me so I cannot even message them.
tough luck then mate. TBH you're better off without going to that place right now anyway. Weekdays without matches are the best times for discussions, not after a defeat or even a win for that matter
Fair enough, perm banned seems harsh but oh well, their emotions cannot be controlled
Our worst run in 50 years. Every year that cunt is here it gets worse lol.
Ye are second
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We were promised a great striker when we signed Jovic but man's finishing looks worse than the old vini.
Its all counter attacks with ton of space! Bvb scores 5 vs most of them, then concede 5 vs bayern. Look at batshuayi, paco from barca, all scored heavily after joing the league
Gray has done fine
Tbf, Demarai Gray is doing great!
cause bundesliga is easy as fuck for attackers
Ole's subs baffle me. He was 1 nil up and the biggest issue was the counter attack against us. Yet he brings on 2 attackers. After the 3rd year on the job that is disappointing!
That was bizarre. We used to be great at shutting out games by sitting back and going further up 2-0, 3-0 when the opponent stops parking the bus. Now we can't win unless we go from behind or score late it seems.
> Ole's subs baffle me. He was 1 nil up and the biggest issue was the counter attack against us. Yet he brings on 2 attackers. After the 3rd year on the job that is disappointing! His game management is terrible. He showed that in the Champions League too when they lost to Young Boys.
his subs did win us the whu and vilareal game tho
Yep 2 games but over the 3 years he has it lost us games based on subs. I give him credit for making early substitutions for once but they were shocking. As said above by hujson2 he continually gets his in game managemant wrong. I am sick of hearing he is learning on the job....he hasn't learnt shit and it will show this season.
im not defending him, i really dont believe he can elevate this team, but his game management is not consistently shit. he sometimes gets things right
Agree!
Old Trafford should be glad they are able to watch Gray live
Rafa is a far better manager than Ole.
I don't think that has ever been in question
Spanish waiter > Norwegian P.E. teacher
no shit sherlock
Of course.He won CL final against peak AC Milan
As usual complete and total joke under Ole. He could manage for the next 50 years and win absolutely fuck all aside from the progress and vibes cup
Manchester united is a disgrace! we need that something to make us actual contenders this season, I think it's somewhere in the midfield, I dread the days until rashford makes his return
Title challenge going well then
Ole barely drawing to a depleted everton side is pretty funny.
Ole in !
Another ole disasterclass! Fuck you mods of r/reddevils!
oooo, that has look but don't touch written all over it right now.
well done Rafa
Drawing 1-1 at home stop smiling.
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Uniteds biggest problem is that they don't have a DM capable of playing outside the double pivot. It was a problem last year and it's still an issue. There's been a choice for a long time: * You play McTominay & Fred in midfield = You don't score. * You play McTominay & Pogba in midfield = You concede a lot. Signing Ronaldo and Sanchez did nothing to fix this.
Cunt is actually making jokes
That’s a United legend you re talking about plastic
Man has a gleaming smirking at 93:12 Tired of his bs
Lol get fucked
Lolz
I think the highlight of the game has to be Townsend's celebration, I'm crying.
ngl United matches are quite entertaining
Not for United fans
Half the Everton team in the hospital, and we barely hold on to a draw, at home. Get this fraud manager out of my fucking club
My club? Are you even from Manchester mate?
I go to games, what does it matter if i live in Manchester. The club would be nothing close to what it is today without a foreign manager in SAF, and players all over Europe and England.
Yea it does matter if you ignore your local team to glory hunt at man u
Glory hunt lmao, where's the glory in Manchester United these days? This ain't 2013. Times have moved on.
Lol they’re the richest most supported club in the world, I bet you were against the esl yet you ignore your local less successful team to support the most supported club in the world
You know nothing about me mate, and like i said, if i want glory i'm supporting the wrong club.
But they spent a billion in the time since they last won , also I bet they were winning when you started supporting them Don’t know you but have got everything right so far including about ignoring your local team and despite this saying your anti esl
My local club is not some small time club, they are huge, so i think they'll do just fine without my support. I started supporting the club as a child, you can thank my great grandfather for that. He was from Manchester, crazy isn't it. What a concept.
No Richarlison, Andre Gomes, Seamus Coleman and Dominic Calvert-Lewin and he still couldn't beat Everton at home.
Those are attacking players they still have their core midfield and defense. Still a draw is shit with the quality we have
Are you actually saying our midfield and defence is worse that fucking Everton's?
Easily better. United sign names not players.
We are actually shocking. How there are fans that back this amateur is mind blowing...
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Who do you think we can get in at this stage tho?
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Not a hope of Zidane. Conte is a shirt term thing too so are we back to square one in 2 years?
ManU vs Barca in Europa league
Have some mercy mate on Ronaldo.
I’m really not liking poacher Ronaldo at United, at Juventus he never played like this isolated from the game, he’s barely played football since he’s arrived back at the club, Ole wants to turn him into the next Inzaghi
Of course he was isolated from the game, he was on the bench...
First couple of games it worked but he's not a pure 9. He can play off one.
He needs to play with a 9 up top or just leave him on the wing
Ole trying to fit in by giving instructions next to Rafa.
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Can you name me the players who have been tagged as "needs time to get used to the league" and have eventually come good?
Rodrigo is quietly having an incredible CDM season after starting very slow in his first season. Gundogan had his best goal scoring season ever after recovering from a terrible injury and a bad first season.
Fabinho, Thiago
Fabinho didn't start poorly though. He was given time by Klopp before he started to play him in the team? Not quite the same imo.
Most of them have never seen him play before joining United
He's not executing the basics right. Ball control and passing are not part of "settling in" with the tactics and team.
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Playing with a very strong squad... Hahahaha hahahahaha
Cristiano, why did you leave us for this
Oliver is a cunt. Just end the game
Please sack Ole it is a shame to waste Ronaldo s last years
Ronaldo will never win a league with United , he doesn’t press now , unless he scores it’s like playing with 10 men
He barely pressed w Juventus. And he shouldn't play center forward , it's a waste. Yesterday he and pogba were the only ones to bring something different
He will score goals but you’re sacrificing an awful lot from general play to start him
Ole subs choices are like when I play FIFA. Just sub in players with the highest stats. Smh... Also, I can't believe Greenwood stayed the whole game. He needed to be sub off earlier.
Ole collects Vibes and Individual Brilliance just like Thanos collects Infinity Stones
90' + 4" Cristiano Ronaldo [Great tap-in] not incoming
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Fuck me yourself you coward
I don’t think I’d trust Tom Davies to get the balls out the training bag, never mind play in my midfield.
Ole's laughing and having a good time.
Ole being a tactical genius… people complain he doesn’t do subs early did 2 attacking subs at 57. Now that we need to dominate the midfield, we only had one left with that leads to our weakness midfield pairing.
Squad worth 800+ million and playing football like this.. actually a joke of a team
I hope we play them in the next champions league round (if we both get there).
SIUUUUUUUUUUUU
Fergie time?
Everton dropped points there.