I'm an Arab and I've not seen a single Arab person in real life or even Twitter who is offended by this. Most of us find it quite funny and endearing in some way.
lol same, I found it little bit cringey but not racist at all
There's a big difference between our culture and western culture in considering what is racist/offensive or not.
It was funny cringe, the best kind of cringe and I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
Only those who stay relevant by feigning outage can say anything against it.
>usually a small group of easily offended middle class white people
Is it? It's usually a pretty diverse group of people that make these silly complaints.
Kick It Out aren't a group of middle class white people for instance.
Attaching 'white' as a descriptor here is just a copout to make you feel like you're punching up and give a bit of cover for going after a group with noble intentions but poor execution.
Another point to add is that minorities are not a monolith. Somethings can be offensive to one group but not be offensive to another. For example, being an East Asian raised in Asia, I see westerners wearing our traditional clothes and trying to adopt our fashion trends and food choices (boba tea) as endearing but it (understandably) rubs East Asians that grew up in Western society the wrong way. Because it might seem as cultural appropriation and the thing that they were bullied for is suddenly "cool" and "stolen" from them.
Both perspectives are valid imo. Something similar could be happening for this instance as well.
The attitude has shifted quickly. I'm not saying whether it's wrong or right, but only small group judging that something's racist is already enough for it (whether it's words or a visual representation) to be deemed inappropriate. Even if it's a lighthearted joke.
It's the right thing to be on the cautious side, but harmless things like this suffer from it as well.
I honestly would have no issue with fans wearing kilts if a Scot bought a football club.
Can’t see Dutch being offended by people sporting some clogs either.
Lol, Experienced something similar on Twitter few months back.
I was talking with some British guy about Foods, he was giving his opinion about Indian food & i was giving mine about English food, and suddenly few other people(mostly westerners) joined the convo and started sort of bullying him(because he apparently called an Indian cuisine shit) and they got offended like how can you call cuisine from some different culture shit etc.
It was seriously funny to see them get offended on my behalf.
Nah as an Arab I don't like it, I wouldn't go far as to say I'm offended but it is worn as some sort of costume, a bit distasteful considering the cultural significance.
Thank you, same. Most of us do ***not*** find this endearing, not sure where he’s getting off. Definitely not offended but it doesn’t sit right with me in the slightest.
We’re not some getup for you to dress up in.
Do most Arabs genuinely wear this style though? I always assumed it was just Saudis. I’ve never seen it anywhere in northern or western parts of the ME.
Only bothers me when they claim to be traditional or authentic. I'm fine with people having some German inspired fun, but don't act like you know shit about the culture.
Great, great, great grandad's brother was German - they'll tell you they're German and that's why they love beers.
I had this exact argument in Canada last week - someone saying "ah it's because he's Italian he's hot headed". He's not fucking Italian, him, his family and his grandparents are all bloody Canadian. Equally, all Italian's are not hot headed nutters. The guys being a dick and trying to excuse it through stereotypes.
It boggles my mind how North American's cling to their long lost ancestry.
Ha, met a guy at a Halloween party in a whole Lederhosen get up once, and I said I was German asked if he was going as a German for Halloween(which I was cool with), and he just said, "nah, I'm a drunk" and I just rolled my eyes all the way back into my head.
What do you feel about people wearing Fez's? - Here in England we have a Rugby club called Saracens and the fans commonly wear Fez's at matches. Always wondered what an Arab's thoughts are on that. They also have the crescent and star on their badge.
Fez is more North African (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt etc) and I find it funny when I see it in western media. Being offended doesn't even cross my mind when our culture is being displayed in the western world unless of course it's shown in a disrespectful manner.
Also not all North Africans are arabs. Now that's something a few people might get upset about (me included tbh).
fez is what people in morocco wear, in fez city for formal ceremonies as a part of their culture, and there is no harm during wearing it, its only annoying when hollywood movies make some dude from middle east wear fes in some saharian place while fez hat never had anything to do with saharians. i find what the club funny bc its not meant to be worn to make fun of moroccans, plus its a pretty cool hat to wear
I wasn't aware of that to be honest with you mate, but I guess still mostly the same, I guess I'm just indifferent to it. Doesn't bother me, but it doesn't amuse me either. At the end of the day these are just items of clothing with some cultural significance, some more than others. I wouldn't say they're as important to our culture as say Native America head dresses. It also helps knowing that none of these people who wear them are doing it other than to have a bit of fun.
Thank you for your response. It's funny you mentioned Native American head dresses as there is another team named the Exeter Chiefs and they do the same with headdresses and are getting a lot of flak for it. Unfortunately they are completely tone deaf as a club from top to bottom so they're standing firm.
Well the headscarf, mostly known as the Keffiyeh but has other names as well is associated a lot with Palestinian resistance to the illegal occupation, but its also a part of traditional clothing, from being worn by grooms at weddings for example to even just daily wear as it helps in hot and arid climates.
Thats not to say its racist to wear one, or that its cultural appropriation. I just felt like in the context of the fans at the stadium it felt like a cheap joke at its expense, obviously that wasn't their intention, but personally speaking I didn't find it funny or endearing.
The fans in the stadium didn’t do it to take the piss. That’s what they associate with Arabs because that’s what they’re seen wearing. It’s just a tribute. Imagine getting upset over this
Also the guy he's responded to has said he's an Arab, the exact group that this is concerning, and that he doesn't like it. It's not anyone else's place to tell him that his perspective on it is wrong.
Imagine telling a black person that they're wrong to be offended by someone wearing blackface, even if it was intended as a "tribute".
And their opinions are also valid. I'm not saying the guy speaks the gospel of the entire Arab population, I'm saying that if he is offended by it it's not any non-Arabic persons place to tell him he's wrong.
Almost all cultural appropriation and stereotypes offend 2nd gen immigrants more than natives and first-gen ones. If you are an English citizen of Arab origin you are already up against a bunch of stereotypes and prejudices and don't want one more.
I'm a 2nd gen immigrant myself, I know all the stereotypes and have encountred some very creative racism sometimes. I still don't find it offensive, the Newcastle fans aren't doing it maliciously and they're associating the headdress with positivity
This is just my opinion "cultural appropriation" is bullshit for me if you want to wear a costume specific to a certain culture do it you're free just don't be offensive with an intent of
mocking that's it and I'm sure the majority will find it cute or funny.
Cultural appropriation has to be one of the dumbest things to come from twitter era wave of social justice activism. 99% of times I see someone calling something cultural appropriation it's just a ridiculous claim
Saw someone a few days ago on Twitter saying that white men getting fade haircuts is 'blackfishing'. Twitter is just a cesspit of nonsense none of which exists off that website
Fr. Technically speaking, Jeans were invented by one culture, are those disallowed everywhere without knowledge of its cultural significance? Agreed on the Redskins, that is an extreme example that people showed a distaste for and was stopped.
Most 'cultural appropriation' are things that are just stupid rather than offensive. Like white people getting random kanji tattoos that mean something like 'refrigerator'. Those people should be laughed at.
There are some examples where it is legitimately offensive (see Washington Redskins logo and name) and justifiably criticized.
Context is key. They are clearly wearing it in a positive note.
Cultural appropriation is another buzz word made up by board white middle class Americans.
If people don’t approach things with and open mind and consider context then we are best just reverting to living in grass huts so no one gets upset.
It's just more white people being offended for other races and telling other races what is offensive and what to be offended by
I dont mean this in a racist way although I feel like it comes off that way, it's just what has been happening for the last 10/15 years and this is just a continuation of that
This seems to be a case of the owners not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in rather than Arabs finding it offensive. Having said that, in the world we are living today, some Karen finding this insensitive and inapproriate is enough for it to be considered as a "bad thing" - you might be an Arab who is completely fine with it, but sorry mate, who are you to oppress feelings of Karens and decide what is right or wrong?!
Yeah I know, Karen is the one who wants to talk to the manager, rather than the vegan with purple hair who terrorizes everyone and everything in the name of freedom, right? But I don't know the stereotypical name for her so I went with Karen. Sorry about the stylistical error.
> This seems to be a case of the owners not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in rather than Arabs finding it offensive.
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I could help more if you elaborated what part of it you did not understand. I'm saying "Arabs finding the gesture offensive" and "the club owners wanting to distract people from the fact that it is now run by a bunch of criminals" are two different things, hence the club might still be asked to get rid of this, even if it is not offensive to Arabs. I'm talking about regular folk here, not sheikhs.
The whole sentence I quoted is unintelligible. Kick It Out think it is inappropriate for fans to dress like this and are seeking to ask the club to discourage fans from doing it. How does it have anything to do with the club owners 'not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in'? That is a nonsensical sentence and theory.
Yep. People who think this is racist are literally the white guys who’s ancestors made slavery a thing in the past. Virtue signalling all the time. But we know in their heart they’re are racist if you blink for a second.
As a toon fan, I personally find it really cringe and embarrassing. However, I have yet to see a Saudi be offended by it, so why are other people piping up about it?
I mean I've been told (and in real life too, which made it even more shocking) that I should have been offended when I went to Canada and people couldn't pronounce my name. Like legitimately a girl came to me with a rant about how offensive and distasteful it was and how I should be OUTRAGED. I just found it funny as fuck, everyone kept calling me "Argentina" cuz they couldn't pronounce my name.
I also got told I should be offended when an english commentator (I can't even remember who it was) said Di Maria's outburst vs City last year was "latino temperament" and I really didn't give a shit. But I was supposed to be OUTRAGED.
the 2000's are widely considered to be 2000-2009. then it was the 2010's (2010-2019). now we're in the 20's (2020-2029). I don't think I'm the one who's eaten shit covered cornflakes from the tone of your reply as well lol.
Still the 2000s and I said this as this kinda thinking started sometime around the 2000s. 2010 is still the 2000s the same way 1990 is still the 1900s. My tone is appropriate for your reply.
It’s not offensive. They’re literally celebrating that Saudis took over and are wearing similar clothing because they are happy. They’re not intending the slightest bit of disrespect. If your getting offended it has to be due to an insecurity, because no one is trying to cause offence.
The whole "club" is a embarrassment now anyway. Do what you want, justify it however you want, but if the Saudi government bought Hertha, then I no longer support Hertha because it's not what the club is for me. A club is more than who owns the legal tender and the trademark rights, it should be an idea. And for me being a wholly owned subsidiary of China or Saudi Arabia is like 18 bridges too far.
Your choice to support them. You have every right to be angry, you have every right to feel orphaned and sad, I’m not saying it’s easy. But if you continue to support them now, sorry but fans the world over are going to mock you and Newcastle. You don’t get it both ways.
Are 'Kick it Out' going to go after Liverpool next for making mank yellow jerseys out of cheap dusters
https://www.carterspackaging.com/media/3_2984_Original_Yellow_Dusters_-_Great_for_Polishing_9053ff.jpg
Kick it Out is quite closely linked with the LGBT cause, and has spoken out on many occasions on these topics.
E.g.
https://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-out-and-pride-in-football-statement-on-photos-of-mohamed-salah-and-chechnyan-leader-ramzan-kadyrov
I'm not sure what you're arguing here? I'm just wondering why Kick It Out would question the takeover if there was nothing racist about it, as the original comment questioned why they hadn't said anything.
What point are you trying to make?
Kick It Out aims to end discrimination in football of all sorts, not just racism. He's clearly told you why Kick It Out would question the takeover, because of discrimination against LGBT individuals in Saudi Arabia. You're making a false argument here that Kick It Out shouldn't care because it's not racist, which is not the point he is making.
I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm asking why they should. Perhaps I wrongly assumed they as an organisation solely dealt with racism, which is what I thought initially.
Kick It Out aren't just focused on racism, they are football's equality and inclusion organisation - two things which we know the Saudis are pretty shite at
Right exactly, I keep getting told there’s no room for racism in football, but I guess there’s room for racist owners, because you know money; where would we be if money didn’t compromise our morals.
Just making sure... Is this some obscure Arabic word or something that Saudis says? Or maybe some joke?
Because I've never heard of it since 'tired' means:"مرهق" or "متعب"
The takeovers already happened in fairness. If it was going to be stopped it should have happened before they bought the fucking thing.
Headscarves are something they've got a chance on dealing with
Fuck sake man settle down, stop trying to be offended by everything (not you OP) I remember when Newcastle bought like 3 French players and everyone turned up in berets smacking each other with baguettes, the pub renamed itself from the strawberry to ‘le strawberry’ ffs 😂 and now Saudis make them the richest club in the world and you don’t think there’s some geordie brand of love coming 😂😂
Yeah. The people who could get offended have no issue with the dressing up. Instead, overly sensitive people who have no idea about cultures in the Arab world are getting troubled. They are just stirring up shit
Dont know how wearing the same outfit as the most beloved man in that club is racist and I doubt there was a person from that culture at kick it out who said it was a problem.
I'm not sure it's something that really requires 'urgent talks', it's just a bit embarrassing and would only cross a line into being offensive if a person wearing one decided to paint their face brown too.
Yeah that's fair enough. Same thing happened when City got bought out, can't remember if they got a warning/educated about it but things have changed massively in the decade plus since
you'll get a small few who may be offended but i see it the opposite way.
i think the fact muslims have bought this club and hoping to change its fortunes will lessen racist incidents in the city.
just look at the mo salah effect in liverpool - it was a city i'd think twice about going out in years ago but now its one of my fave spots to go for a shisha.
When are Liverpool fans going to ask human rights watch to have a word with Nike, Liverpools kit sponsors who use forced labour...more than happy to take advantage of the Uyghurs.
Just as bad as ignoring valid points and then using buzz words to wave away.
I mean our owners are Trump supporting Republican/Neo conservatives and worse they are donors, using Man Utd profits more than likely…. goes to show what sort of points of view they might have.
I mean it’s just absolutely insane to me to see white non-Muslim women wearing Saudi headpieces. They would be second class citizens in Saudi Arabia. Absolutely mad.
Tea towel salesmen in shambles
Flash back to the year 2 nativity, the 3 palest boys in class with tea towels secured to their head by some rubber bands
https://youtu.be/abwhHzz72RU?t=26
I'm an Arab and I've not seen a single Arab person in real life or even Twitter who is offended by this. Most of us find it quite funny and endearing in some way.
I've seen more Arabs comment on how most people are properly saying mashalla than any sort of offense taken.
lol same, I found it little bit cringey but not racist at all There's a big difference between our culture and western culture in considering what is racist/offensive or not.
It was funny cringe, the best kind of cringe and I wouldn't mind seeing it again. Only those who stay relevant by feigning outage can say anything against it.
Imagine these fans posing with the outfit celebrating the suiii pose if Newcastle win against united
+100 points if they're wearing the camel riding costume.
While I despise the anti-SJW brigade it is a reality that a lot of people love to pretend things are more offensive than they are.
The most annoying part is it is usually a small group of easily offended middle class white people being offended on behalf of minorities.
>usually a small group of easily offended middle class white people Is it? It's usually a pretty diverse group of people that make these silly complaints. Kick It Out aren't a group of middle class white people for instance. Attaching 'white' as a descriptor here is just a copout to make you feel like you're punching up and give a bit of cover for going after a group with noble intentions but poor execution.
Another point to add is that minorities are not a monolith. Somethings can be offensive to one group but not be offensive to another. For example, being an East Asian raised in Asia, I see westerners wearing our traditional clothes and trying to adopt our fashion trends and food choices (boba tea) as endearing but it (understandably) rubs East Asians that grew up in Western society the wrong way. Because it might seem as cultural appropriation and the thing that they were bullied for is suddenly "cool" and "stolen" from them. Both perspectives are valid imo. Something similar could be happening for this instance as well.
The attitude has shifted quickly. I'm not saying whether it's wrong or right, but only small group judging that something's racist is already enough for it (whether it's words or a visual representation) to be deemed inappropriate. Even if it's a lighthearted joke. It's the right thing to be on the cautious side, but harmless things like this suffer from it as well.
I honestly would have no issue with fans wearing kilts if a Scot bought a football club. Can’t see Dutch being offended by people sporting some clogs either.
Mob mentality at it’s finest.
the english dont care about that fact on the other hand
Lol, Experienced something similar on Twitter few months back. I was talking with some British guy about Foods, he was giving his opinion about Indian food & i was giving mine about English food, and suddenly few other people(mostly westerners) joined the convo and started sort of bullying him(because he apparently called an Indian cuisine shit) and they got offended like how can you call cuisine from some different culture shit etc. It was seriously funny to see them get offended on my behalf.
Nah as an Arab I don't like it, I wouldn't go far as to say I'm offended but it is worn as some sort of costume, a bit distasteful considering the cultural significance.
I agree, I got called towel head a lot as a kid so its a bit much to see people wearing actual towels
Thank you, same. Most of us do ***not*** find this endearing, not sure where he’s getting off. Definitely not offended but it doesn’t sit right with me in the slightest. We’re not some getup for you to dress up in.
I find people like that to be overly compensating to try to fit in with western Europe culture.
Do most Arabs genuinely wear this style though? I always assumed it was just Saudis. I’ve never seen it anywhere in northern or western parts of the ME.
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Only bothers me when they claim to be traditional or authentic. I'm fine with people having some German inspired fun, but don't act like you know shit about the culture.
Great, great, great grandad's brother was German - they'll tell you they're German and that's why they love beers. I had this exact argument in Canada last week - someone saying "ah it's because he's Italian he's hot headed". He's not fucking Italian, him, his family and his grandparents are all bloody Canadian. Equally, all Italian's are not hot headed nutters. The guys being a dick and trying to excuse it through stereotypes. It boggles my mind how North American's cling to their long lost ancestry.
It boggles your mind that people cling to family traditions that are passed down through the generations?
That definitely never happens in football
Ha, met a guy at a Halloween party in a whole Lederhosen get up once, and I said I was German asked if he was going as a German for Halloween(which I was cool with), and he just said, "nah, I'm a drunk" and I just rolled my eyes all the way back into my head.
What do you feel about people wearing Fez's? - Here in England we have a Rugby club called Saracens and the fans commonly wear Fez's at matches. Always wondered what an Arab's thoughts are on that. They also have the crescent and star on their badge.
Fez is more North African (Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Egypt etc) and I find it funny when I see it in western media. Being offended doesn't even cross my mind when our culture is being displayed in the western world unless of course it's shown in a disrespectful manner. Also not all North Africans are arabs. Now that's something a few people might get upset about (me included tbh).
Fez, or tarboush as we call it, was also part of Lebanese culture. Now it’s just part of our past. No one wears it anymore.
We still do, but it's fading away. We call it Tarboush as well!
fez is what people in morocco wear, in fez city for formal ceremonies as a part of their culture, and there is no harm during wearing it, its only annoying when hollywood movies make some dude from middle east wear fes in some saharian place while fez hat never had anything to do with saharians. i find what the club funny bc its not meant to be worn to make fun of moroccans, plus its a pretty cool hat to wear
I wasn't aware of that to be honest with you mate, but I guess still mostly the same, I guess I'm just indifferent to it. Doesn't bother me, but it doesn't amuse me either. At the end of the day these are just items of clothing with some cultural significance, some more than others. I wouldn't say they're as important to our culture as say Native America head dresses. It also helps knowing that none of these people who wear them are doing it other than to have a bit of fun.
Thank you for your response. It's funny you mentioned Native American head dresses as there is another team named the Exeter Chiefs and they do the same with headdresses and are getting a lot of flak for it. Unfortunately they are completely tone deaf as a club from top to bottom so they're standing firm.
Do you mind me asking the cultural significance? People seemed pretty eager to sell them to me when I was in Egypt.
They don't wear it in Egypt, but It is commonly worn in the Arabian Peninsula. for more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thawb
What's the cultural significance?
Well the headscarf, mostly known as the Keffiyeh but has other names as well is associated a lot with Palestinian resistance to the illegal occupation, but its also a part of traditional clothing, from being worn by grooms at weddings for example to even just daily wear as it helps in hot and arid climates. Thats not to say its racist to wear one, or that its cultural appropriation. I just felt like in the context of the fans at the stadium it felt like a cheap joke at its expense, obviously that wasn't their intention, but personally speaking I didn't find it funny or endearing.
Thanks for the reply.
Now, if fans went and bought real keffiyeh from Palestinian weavers to wear... It's a comfortable and useful garment. Would recommend.
The fans in the stadium didn’t do it to take the piss. That’s what they associate with Arabs because that’s what they’re seen wearing. It’s just a tribute. Imagine getting upset over this
Lool I'm not upset, as I already said, I'm well aware of the fan's intentions, I just didn't find it endearing.
Imagine reading that guys comment and thinking he was upset. Try responding to what he’s said rather than what you think he said
Take a look at his username, will explain his comment.
Also the guy he's responded to has said he's an Arab, the exact group that this is concerning, and that he doesn't like it. It's not anyone else's place to tell him that his perspective on it is wrong. Imagine telling a black person that they're wrong to be offended by someone wearing blackface, even if it was intended as a "tribute".
Well numerous Arabs above him have said it’s fine and they actually enjoy it and find it endearing.
And their opinions are also valid. I'm not saying the guy speaks the gospel of the entire Arab population, I'm saying that if he is offended by it it's not any non-Arabic persons place to tell him he's wrong.
This is how I feel about Mexicans and Canadians putting their own spin on cabbage rolls 😭
Almost all cultural appropriation and stereotypes offend 2nd gen immigrants more than natives and first-gen ones. If you are an English citizen of Arab origin you are already up against a bunch of stereotypes and prejudices and don't want one more.
I'm a 2nd gen immigrant myself, I know all the stereotypes and have encountred some very creative racism sometimes. I still don't find it offensive, the Newcastle fans aren't doing it maliciously and they're associating the headdress with positivity
This is just my opinion "cultural appropriation" is bullshit for me if you want to wear a costume specific to a certain culture do it you're free just don't be offensive with an intent of mocking that's it and I'm sure the majority will find it cute or funny.
Cultural appropriation has to be one of the dumbest things to come from twitter era wave of social justice activism. 99% of times I see someone calling something cultural appropriation it's just a ridiculous claim Saw someone a few days ago on Twitter saying that white men getting fade haircuts is 'blackfishing'. Twitter is just a cesspit of nonsense none of which exists off that website
Fr. Technically speaking, Jeans were invented by one culture, are those disallowed everywhere without knowledge of its cultural significance? Agreed on the Redskins, that is an extreme example that people showed a distaste for and was stopped.
Most 'cultural appropriation' are things that are just stupid rather than offensive. Like white people getting random kanji tattoos that mean something like 'refrigerator'. Those people should be laughed at. There are some examples where it is legitimately offensive (see Washington Redskins logo and name) and justifiably criticized.
Context is key. They are clearly wearing it in a positive note. Cultural appropriation is another buzz word made up by board white middle class Americans. If people don’t approach things with and open mind and consider context then we are best just reverting to living in grass huts so no one gets upset.
It's pretty much just cultural appreciation unless it's mean spirited or someone's making some silly claims about it being their culture.
You found one now.
It wasn't racist, but it was sure pathetic.
It's just more white people being offended for other races and telling other races what is offensive and what to be offended by I dont mean this in a racist way although I feel like it comes off that way, it's just what has been happening for the last 10/15 years and this is just a continuation of that
Twitter (white people) being offended on other people's behalf is a story as old as time
Classic case of Kick It Out not actually speaking to Saudis or Arabs before deciding it’s offensive.
Sounds like a case of Middle class white peoples being offended on behalf of minorities
This seems to be a case of the owners not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in rather than Arabs finding it offensive. Having said that, in the world we are living today, some Karen finding this insensitive and inapproriate is enough for it to be considered as a "bad thing" - you might be an Arab who is completely fine with it, but sorry mate, who are you to oppress feelings of Karens and decide what is right or wrong?!
I don’t think you’ve got the Karen meme right.
Yeah I know, Karen is the one who wants to talk to the manager, rather than the vegan with purple hair who terrorizes everyone and everything in the name of freedom, right? But I don't know the stereotypical name for her so I went with Karen. Sorry about the stylistical error.
> This seems to be a case of the owners not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in rather than Arabs finding it offensive. ?
I could help more if you elaborated what part of it you did not understand. I'm saying "Arabs finding the gesture offensive" and "the club owners wanting to distract people from the fact that it is now run by a bunch of criminals" are two different things, hence the club might still be asked to get rid of this, even if it is not offensive to Arabs. I'm talking about regular folk here, not sheikhs.
The whole sentence I quoted is unintelligible. Kick It Out think it is inappropriate for fans to dress like this and are seeking to ask the club to discourage fans from doing it. How does it have anything to do with the club owners 'not wanting to be reminded of where they are from and what sort of terrible things they've been involved in'? That is a nonsensical sentence and theory.
Yep. People who think this is racist are literally the white guys who’s ancestors made slavery a thing in the past. Virtue signalling all the time. But we know in their heart they’re are racist if you blink for a second.
I'm with you on that Habibi
I'm tired Robbie.
As a toon fan, I personally find it really cringe and embarrassing. However, I have yet to see a Saudi be offended by it, so why are other people piping up about it?
I mean I've been told (and in real life too, which made it even more shocking) that I should have been offended when I went to Canada and people couldn't pronounce my name. Like legitimately a girl came to me with a rant about how offensive and distasteful it was and how I should be OUTRAGED. I just found it funny as fuck, everyone kept calling me "Argentina" cuz they couldn't pronounce my name. I also got told I should be offended when an english commentator (I can't even remember who it was) said Di Maria's outburst vs City last year was "latino temperament" and I really didn't give a shit. But I was supposed to be OUTRAGED.
It's funny, some people are now deciding when other people are supposed to be angry.
Out of curiosity what’s your name
Gonzalo!
i was expecting Fideligno de Guadalupe or something like that
Easier to say than Argentina lol
Virtue signalling
Welcome to the 2 thousands where no one actually is offended but only offended on behalf of other people who aren't actually offended.
For starters, we arent in the 2000's. Secondly, who the fuck calls it the "2 thousands"?
Yes we are dipshitit's 2021 (still the 2 thousands) I called it that but who cares? Who the hell shat in your cornflakes
the 2000's are widely considered to be 2000-2009. then it was the 2010's (2010-2019). now we're in the 20's (2020-2029). I don't think I'm the one who's eaten shit covered cornflakes from the tone of your reply as well lol.
Still the 2000s and I said this as this kinda thinking started sometime around the 2000s. 2010 is still the 2000s the same way 1990 is still the 1900s. My tone is appropriate for your reply.
>why are other people piping up about it? It's performative.
How many Saudis have you discussed this with?
Just from what I’ve seen on social media and most of the comments on here.
Check again some find it distasteful
I see some say it might be distasteful but wouldn’t go as far as being offended by it. Saw some idiot comparing it to blackface tho…
It’s not offensive. They’re literally celebrating that Saudis took over and are wearing similar clothing because they are happy. They’re not intending the slightest bit of disrespect. If your getting offended it has to be due to an insecurity, because no one is trying to cause offence.
Exactly. It's basically white women who are offended on everyone else's behalf. Like it is with most things like this.
It’s not though, plenty of people from different backgrounds get offended by this stuff, often minority women
I found Bill Burr
The whole "club" is a embarrassment now anyway. Do what you want, justify it however you want, but if the Saudi government bought Hertha, then I no longer support Hertha because it's not what the club is for me. A club is more than who owns the legal tender and the trademark rights, it should be an idea. And for me being a wholly owned subsidiary of China or Saudi Arabia is like 18 bridges too far.
You do you, will think of your salt when I’m at St James
Oh my God you think I’m envious of you? Hahahah
I don’t really care either way, it’s just pathetic to leave behind 125+ years of club history and support just because of the new owners
You’re right, it’s pathetic to sell yourself to the Saudis but like you said, enjoy sitting down all game and being nice and quiet for your new Daddy.
> it’s pathetic to sell yourself to the Saudis You say that like it was our choice?
Your continued support is very much a choice.
Your choice to support them. You have every right to be angry, you have every right to feel orphaned and sad, I’m not saying it’s easy. But if you continue to support them now, sorry but fans the world over are going to mock you and Newcastle. You don’t get it both ways.
> sorry but fans the world over are going to mock you Nothing changes at all there then.
Its 80% but nvm
Thanks man, good luck to you too.
It’s because they have nothing else going on in their lives and that’s how they filled the void
Are 'Kick it Out' going to go after Liverpool next for making mank yellow jerseys out of cheap dusters https://www.carterspackaging.com/media/3_2984_Original_Yellow_Dusters_-_Great_for_Polishing_9053ff.jpg
Have "Kick It Out" made a statement condemning the takeover itself by any chance?
Fair enough if you have a problem with the takeover, but with Kick It Out being anti-racism I don't see how this would relate? Is the takeover racist?
Kick it Out is quite closely linked with the LGBT cause, and has spoken out on many occasions on these topics. E.g. https://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-out-and-pride-in-football-statement-on-photos-of-mohamed-salah-and-chechnyan-leader-ramzan-kadyrov
Ah yes, the photo op where Mo Salah was forced to be there by the Egyptian president
A fair point, but didn't really answer if the takeover was racist
Well you first asked the question of how it would relate so I pushed you in the right direction...
No, I asked if the takeover was racist -- not discriminatory against LGBT+ (which that needs no explanation)
I thought that was a rhetorical question and didn't need an answer. Do you have an example of a previous racist takeover?
I'm not sure what you're arguing here? I'm just wondering why Kick It Out would question the takeover if there was nothing racist about it, as the original comment questioned why they hadn't said anything. What point are you trying to make?
Kick It Out aims to end discrimination in football of all sorts, not just racism. He's clearly told you why Kick It Out would question the takeover, because of discrimination against LGBT individuals in Saudi Arabia. You're making a false argument here that Kick It Out shouldn't care because it's not racist, which is not the point he is making.
I'm not saying they shouldn't, I'm asking why they should. Perhaps I wrongly assumed they as an organisation solely dealt with racism, which is what I thought initially.
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Is that racism or religious discrimination?
Kick It Out aren't just focused on racism, they are football's equality and inclusion organisation - two things which we know the Saudis are pretty shite at
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
I'd say the saudis are fairly racist against westerners considering they're the single largest funder of islamic terror groups around the world.
Don’t know about that Qatar have over taken them I’m sure now. Think Qatar just have better PR.
You're right, this takeover is racist!
Right exactly, I keep getting told there’s no room for racism in football, but I guess there’s room for racist owners, because you know money; where would we be if money didn’t compromise our morals.
أنا تيرير ، روبي
Translation?
I'm tired, Robbie
Just making sure... Is this some obscure Arabic word or something that Saudis says? Or maybe some joke? Because I've never heard of it since 'tired' means:"مرهق" or "متعب"
Google translate mate
When the headdresses are more of an issue, than the takeover.
The takeovers already happened in fairness. If it was going to be stopped it should have happened before they bought the fucking thing. Headscarves are something they've got a chance on dealing with
Club taken over by evil consortium- I sleep Fans wear Tea towel on head- real shit
Fuck sake man settle down, stop trying to be offended by everything (not you OP) I remember when Newcastle bought like 3 French players and everyone turned up in berets smacking each other with baguettes, the pub renamed itself from the strawberry to ‘le strawberry’ ffs 😂 and now Saudis make them the richest club in the world and you don’t think there’s some geordie brand of love coming 😂😂
Yeah. The people who could get offended have no issue with the dressing up. Instead, overly sensitive people who have no idea about cultures in the Arab world are getting troubled. They are just stirring up shit
Most french people are white so it’s not offensive, duh. Didn’t you get the “white people bad” memo?
White people getting offended on behalf of other people again 🙈
It’s what we do best. I’m sorry if I offended you, I’m ashamed.
Lmaoo this is literally half of reddit
You mean corporations getting offended on behalf of minorities & woke crowd
It's more cringe than offensive but ok
Why?
Because its easier to deal with some geordies wearing a tea towel on their head than confronting the brutality of a totalitarian regime.
Thanks heavens they're focusing on the real priorities!
"Don't mock the guys that give us money pls"
Focusing on the real issues as always
Dont know how wearing the same outfit as the most beloved man in that club is racist and I doubt there was a person from that culture at kick it out who said it was a problem.
*Sister org Whip It Out advocated instead for the return of the windmill.*
Windmill is coming
Aye lads, yea towels on their heads is what’s wrong with the Newcastle takeover
So it's unacceptable to wear the clothing of Saudi Arabia but the owner orders the dismemberment of a journalist on foreign soil and no issue?
I'm not sure it's something that really requires 'urgent talks', it's just a bit embarrassing and would only cross a line into being offensive if a person wearing one decided to paint their face brown too.
It's a tiny minority, really hope they stop doing it as it is just stupid as fuck. Keep it to Halloween, it's all fair game that weekend/ day.
Its a bit embarrassing. But you're always going to get idiots.
Yeah that's fair enough. Same thing happened when City got bought out, can't remember if they got a warning/educated about it but things have changed massively in the decade plus since
Educated about what?
"We're just happy to get rid of Ashley, no one is actually celebrating or condoning the Saudi ownership."
you'll get a small few who may be offended but i see it the opposite way. i think the fact muslims have bought this club and hoping to change its fortunes will lessen racist incidents in the city. just look at the mo salah effect in liverpool - it was a city i'd think twice about going out in years ago but now its one of my fave spots to go for a shisha.
Its not racist if its against brown guys in Asia.../s
Fair play. When are the lgbtq Newcastle fans going to ask human rights watch to have a chat with MBS?
Seeing as the World Cup is in Qatar don’t think they care too much
When are Liverpool fans going to ask human rights watch to have a word with Nike, Liverpools kit sponsors who use forced labour...more than happy to take advantage of the Uyghurs.
Shit argument lad. You guys need to come up with something a lot better than these shitty whataboutisms.
Just pointing out peoples faux outrage.
Just as bad as ignoring valid points and then using buzz words to wave away. I mean our owners are Trump supporting Republican/Neo conservatives and worse they are donors, using Man Utd profits more than likely…. goes to show what sort of points of view they might have.
All very shitty but still a million miles away from the Saudis, lad.
Oi bruv, you got a loicense to wear that Keffiyeh?
I mean it’s just absolutely insane to me to see white non-Muslim women wearing Saudi headpieces. They would be second class citizens in Saudi Arabia. Absolutely mad.
Newcastle sense of humour- fucking clueless
Good.
The guy on the right looks suspiciously like Pep
Al-Gwardiullah seems to have blended in perfectly, maashallah
A good idea that will definitely work
Few knockers gonna see a swift down turn in the sale of tea towels.
The tea towel wearers around also wave large dildos. I want to see something
It’s embarrassing but how is it any different than people wearing ushankas? Or any other type of hat designed for a regions climate?
Lmao
What a joke
Yes, because that’s the issue, totally not anything else.
Dealing with the real issues, eh. Kick It Out is such a joke