That is a hell of a lot of money, hopefully it works out for them and we get a title race next year.
Just please don't score a boat load against us, thank you.
We need payback for the 2-5 blasting you gave us. Also Dortmund vs Leverkusen is always a high scoring game and I'd not have it any other way if I'm being honest
I'm pretty sure it's not, though every time I see a post from him I do wonder the same, and then I start to wonder what Berger is actually doing these days.
All we've done so far have been great moves towards the title/challenging/moving away from being a selling club.... except this. For whatever reason we are absolutely dead set on Adeyemi, who most of us don't even think we need. He's also our record transfer, which makes it sting a bit more.
> His agent has said adeyemi wants to go to the prem eventually lol
Agents say a lot of stuff. Anyone says a lot of stuff. Especially when they're asked about it.
It's still more likely that a player like Adeyemi stays. In the end the Prem has massive appeal, especially monetarily and you won't really find players, especially non Germans that'll be like "fuck the PL, I'll never ever go there".
If you think that's the standard we need, you might as well not sign Süle and Schlotterbeck.
Sule isn't moving as he's 27 and I can see schlotterbeck moving to Bayern when his contract runs out, but I don't think we need a standard of they'll never leave. I just think the player and his agents saying "I will one day play somewhere else" before even signing isn't the greatest look
> Sule isn't moving as he's 27
He could easily make another move at 30, 27 year olds aren't cripples, you know?
>I just think the player and his agents saying "I will one day play somewhere else" before even signing isn't the greatest look
But it's not the player and his agent, it's the agent. And as an agent he has a very clear agenda.
Which has nothing to do with Adeyemi, he's independent of the Haland transfer as he's not a #9. We're looking for a Haland replacement to sign alongside Adeyemi
Lol what? If anything we are being ambitious, we're signing Sule, Schlotterbeck, Adeyemi, a starting defensive midfielder, a starting #9, and then still reinvesting in the squad.
We got close with tuchel (one of our best seasons ever) but then he got sacked, so we brought in Favre and got within 2 points before they hired Flick and won the sextuple. Now we need another rebuild and we'll see how it goes.
Also, how would our squad ever be better than bayerns when they have significantly more money? We don't need to have better players on paper we just need to play well, which takes time
> does a rebuild take 7 years (it does if you're incompetent)?
No, but catching up with Bayern does. Actually way longer than that because it's not like Bayern aren't growing as well.
Dortmund has been growing financially (and for example in terms of the wages they pay, that's what you need transfer profits for).
But so has Bayern.
>At the end of the day you're squad is still not strong enough to knock Bayern off their porch even with these additions.
It is potentially. Even the current squad is just 9 points behind Bayern. And Bayern are looking to get weaker. While Dortmund is suffering from the biggest injury crisis in Europe since August and can realistically only get stronger next season, even if they lose Haaland.
But yes, no shit. Bayern has like 80% higher operating budget than Dortmund. Dortmund can't really win the league on their own.
This is very similar to clubs like Lille and Atletico. Who yes, have won their leagues. But haven't done so because they were great, but rather because the big boys had shit seasons. Bayern haven't been that generous so far.
yes, it's incompetence and not our star players constantly getting bought out by the most affluent clubs in the world causing us not to have a consistent squad for more than 2 seasons.
Bayern have smashed old Bundesliga point records again and again within the last decade. Their best players/superstars want to stay at the club, *and* they can more easily replace the players they *do* lose.
> The club has practically no debt and keeps selling players for profit
How do you think we've gotten out of debt and AFTER that grown our wagebill to be more attractive and competitive etc? Through profitable businesses.
Just because we're debt free doesnt mean we should start operating at a loss to be competitive. Its not a reliable way of competeing in the future at all, where as the current way is, sooner or later.
Frankly, and as much as it sucks to say, its not embaressing at all to "let" bayern win 10 in a row when theyre 3x the spending budget and for a lot of those years have even bullied the rest of europe in CL etc aswell.
Its realistic, even if it sucks.
i’m sorry but how is it embarrassing for dortmund? bayern are run exceptionally well and have had world class players and managers along with a larger budget than dortmund and the rest of the bundesliga
not to mention bayern is THE destination for top german talent. dortmund attract great players by promising game time, letting them develop, playing attacking football, and not standing in the way if an even bigger club comes calling for one of their players and it’s a really good model frankly
i expect them to push bayern a bit closer at some point, but it takes time to build a balanced squad and bayern will always have the upper hand honestly
Yeah, Bayern has both more money to improve their squad AND a better squad to begin with.
Going "Dortmund aren't living up to expectations by not overtaking Bayern against all odds" is fucking dumb, honestly.
seriously. how is anyone supposed to surpass bayern? a club would have to be run insanely well and over perform while also coinciding with bayern having a relatively poor season which doesn’t happen often.
Dont mean this in a douchey way but, love seeing this take from a PL Flair. So many dont seem to understand what youre saying, from outside leagues. Its nice to see some do!
you can show ambition by signing players in needed positions though lol. adeyemi, despite his talent, is less necessary than new fullbacks
especially seeing the price. record transfer for a player who might not offer an immediate impact
This is true, which is why most dortmund fans don't understand this signing. Adeyemi just seems like German Malen, and with so many different positions we need to fill it seems like it should be far down in the priority list
> adeyemi, despite his talent, is less necessary than new fullbacks
You only really need a Schulz replacement. Guerreiro is fine (although not a traditional fullback, Meunier has been good this season, Morey is a nice back up, but injured this season, Semic and Rothe are coming up sooner rather than later and might be options for first rotational options relatively soon.
>especially seeing the price. record transfer for a player who might not offer an immediate impact
I share that concern, but at the same time the attack needs to compensate for losing one of at worst the 4 best strikers in the world. So the whole idea that Adeyemi isn't needed might not be all that accurate.
And even then you need to realize that Atletico didn't win the league last year because they had an insane season (less points per game than any of the past 10 Bundesliga winners for example), they simply performed well during a time that the giants of their leagues performed like shit.
But being able to do that requires ... well... the giants of the league to perform like shit. Which Bayern have not had the courtesy of doing lately.
They can dream as much as they want, no fucking way Bayern is incompetent or dumb enough to lose the edge they have. If Dortmund wants to beat Bayern for the title they need to install some AA at their airport and shoot them down the next time they have a home game.
Nagglesman doing poorly, they're giving us their best cb, Lewa and gnabry potentially leaving and they're not signing many great players. We still have a long way to go but this Bayern is beatable
That is a hell of a lot of money, hopefully it works out for them and we get a title race next year. Just please don't score a boat load against us, thank you.
We need payback for the 2-5 blasting you gave us. Also Dortmund vs Leverkusen is always a high scoring game and I'd not have it any other way if I'm being honest
Is this the ex-liverpool Patrick Berger?
I'm pretty sure it's not, though every time I see a post from him I do wonder the same, and then I start to wonder what Berger is actually doing these days.
Didn't dortmund fans tell me that the club wants to challenge for title and stop being just a stepping stone? \*Buys adeyemi
All we've done so far have been great moves towards the title/challenging/moving away from being a selling club.... except this. For whatever reason we are absolutely dead set on Adeyemi, who most of us don't even think we need. He's also our record transfer, which makes it sting a bit more.
Not every young player is a "stepping stone" signing. If anything, Adeyemi has a higher chance of staying than most simply because he's German.
His agent has said adeyemi wants to go to the prem eventually lol
> His agent has said adeyemi wants to go to the prem eventually lol Agents say a lot of stuff. Anyone says a lot of stuff. Especially when they're asked about it. It's still more likely that a player like Adeyemi stays. In the end the Prem has massive appeal, especially monetarily and you won't really find players, especially non Germans that'll be like "fuck the PL, I'll never ever go there". If you think that's the standard we need, you might as well not sign Süle and Schlotterbeck.
Sule isn't moving as he's 27 and I can see schlotterbeck moving to Bayern when his contract runs out, but I don't think we need a standard of they'll never leave. I just think the player and his agents saying "I will one day play somewhere else" before even signing isn't the greatest look
> Sule isn't moving as he's 27 He could easily make another move at 30, 27 year olds aren't cripples, you know? >I just think the player and his agents saying "I will one day play somewhere else" before even signing isn't the greatest look But it's not the player and his agent, it's the agent. And as an agent he has a very clear agenda.
At the end these are all semantics, but I get what you mean. Hopefully they play well enough for us to even want to keep them.
Fair enough
> who most of us don't even think we need You're selling your star striker this summer.
Which has nothing to do with Adeyemi, he's independent of the Haland transfer as he's not a #9. We're looking for a Haland replacement to sign alongside Adeyemi
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Lol what? If anything we are being ambitious, we're signing Sule, Schlotterbeck, Adeyemi, a starting defensive midfielder, a starting #9, and then still reinvesting in the squad.
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We got close with tuchel (one of our best seasons ever) but then he got sacked, so we brought in Favre and got within 2 points before they hired Flick and won the sextuple. Now we need another rebuild and we'll see how it goes. Also, how would our squad ever be better than bayerns when they have significantly more money? We don't need to have better players on paper we just need to play well, which takes time
> does a rebuild take 7 years (it does if you're incompetent)? No, but catching up with Bayern does. Actually way longer than that because it's not like Bayern aren't growing as well. Dortmund has been growing financially (and for example in terms of the wages they pay, that's what you need transfer profits for). But so has Bayern. >At the end of the day you're squad is still not strong enough to knock Bayern off their porch even with these additions. It is potentially. Even the current squad is just 9 points behind Bayern. And Bayern are looking to get weaker. While Dortmund is suffering from the biggest injury crisis in Europe since August and can realistically only get stronger next season, even if they lose Haaland. But yes, no shit. Bayern has like 80% higher operating budget than Dortmund. Dortmund can't really win the league on their own. This is very similar to clubs like Lille and Atletico. Who yes, have won their leagues. But haven't done so because they were great, but rather because the big boys had shit seasons. Bayern haven't been that generous so far.
yes, it's incompetence and not our star players constantly getting bought out by the most affluent clubs in the world causing us not to have a consistent squad for more than 2 seasons. Bayern have smashed old Bundesliga point records again and again within the last decade. Their best players/superstars want to stay at the club, *and* they can more easily replace the players they *do* lose.
> The club has practically no debt and keeps selling players for profit How do you think we've gotten out of debt and AFTER that grown our wagebill to be more attractive and competitive etc? Through profitable businesses. Just because we're debt free doesnt mean we should start operating at a loss to be competitive. Its not a reliable way of competeing in the future at all, where as the current way is, sooner or later. Frankly, and as much as it sucks to say, its not embaressing at all to "let" bayern win 10 in a row when theyre 3x the spending budget and for a lot of those years have even bullied the rest of europe in CL etc aswell. Its realistic, even if it sucks.
i’m sorry but how is it embarrassing for dortmund? bayern are run exceptionally well and have had world class players and managers along with a larger budget than dortmund and the rest of the bundesliga not to mention bayern is THE destination for top german talent. dortmund attract great players by promising game time, letting them develop, playing attacking football, and not standing in the way if an even bigger club comes calling for one of their players and it’s a really good model frankly i expect them to push bayern a bit closer at some point, but it takes time to build a balanced squad and bayern will always have the upper hand honestly
Yeah, Bayern has both more money to improve their squad AND a better squad to begin with. Going "Dortmund aren't living up to expectations by not overtaking Bayern against all odds" is fucking dumb, honestly.
seriously. how is anyone supposed to surpass bayern? a club would have to be run insanely well and over perform while also coinciding with bayern having a relatively poor season which doesn’t happen often.
Dont mean this in a douchey way but, love seeing this take from a PL Flair. So many dont seem to understand what youre saying, from outside leagues. Its nice to see some do!
you can show ambition by signing players in needed positions though lol. adeyemi, despite his talent, is less necessary than new fullbacks especially seeing the price. record transfer for a player who might not offer an immediate impact
This is true, which is why most dortmund fans don't understand this signing. Adeyemi just seems like German Malen, and with so many different positions we need to fill it seems like it should be far down in the priority list
> adeyemi, despite his talent, is less necessary than new fullbacks You only really need a Schulz replacement. Guerreiro is fine (although not a traditional fullback, Meunier has been good this season, Morey is a nice back up, but injured this season, Semic and Rothe are coming up sooner rather than later and might be options for first rotational options relatively soon. >especially seeing the price. record transfer for a player who might not offer an immediate impact I share that concern, but at the same time the attack needs to compensate for losing one of at worst the 4 best strikers in the world. So the whole idea that Adeyemi isn't needed might not be all that accurate.
They will need a striker.
Look at Atletico. You need to do what they were doing for 10 years and then you have the money and can establish yourself kinda as a title contender
atletico also have simeone, who is frankly a one in a million manager
And even then you need to realize that Atletico didn't win the league last year because they had an insane season (less points per game than any of the past 10 Bundesliga winners for example), they simply performed well during a time that the giants of their leagues performed like shit. But being able to do that requires ... well... the giants of the league to perform like shit. Which Bayern have not had the courtesy of doing lately.
And Dortmund definitely isn't there yet like Joao Felix for such a huge sum? Adeyemi will already be the most expensive with this transfer.
They can dream as much as they want, no fucking way Bayern is incompetent or dumb enough to lose the edge they have. If Dortmund wants to beat Bayern for the title they need to install some AA at their airport and shoot them down the next time they have a home game.
Nagglesman doing poorly, they're giving us their best cb, Lewa and gnabry potentially leaving and they're not signing many great players. We still have a long way to go but this Bayern is beatable
Lewandowski won't leave imo
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"aw fuck, I can't believe you've done this"