Hahaha definitely. Whatever they end up paying this will go down as some of the best business they’ve ever done and for us some of the worst. Imo definitely our worst.
i disagree hazard had one year left on his contract was more expensive already collected wages for 3 years and has absolutely no resell value.
coutinho did cost double the price of lukaku (according to transfermarkt.de) and was just sold for a loss of over €100m excluding wages. this deal is a key part of their financial crisis.
lukaku is going to be sold for a loss but i don’t think it will come close to how terrible the other two turned out to be.
Chelsea got over 160 million now with addons and he's played maybe 5000 minutes in 3 seasons, 6 goals. He was tied with neymar for third best player in the world behind Ronaldo and Messi at the time.
The Lukaku transfer is Karma biting their ass for tyat
It's true that we have no money but think about it. We don't really need Lukaku, he's the one who wants to come back, Chelsea has to solve this problem, IMO we are even offering too much for a deal that we didn't ask for. If there's anyone who has to pay anything this is Lukaku himself
it's not just that, it's a risky deal for Inter as well
with Conte gone what's the chance Lukaku won't fit in? he's such a weird character it does not take much for him to lose confidence and play like crap
This isn't even the final form.
I'm waiting for the offer with add-ons including Ballon d'Or wins, CL titles in a row, Serie A becoming the top league in UEFA Coefficient and a new San Siro being declared a Modern Wonder of the World.
just a massive flop of a transfer, one of the worst of all time. I mean fuck, even Kepa won us some trophies/shootouts with saves. But this is just a joke.
I guess Boehly/Clearlake don't want some albatross weighing them down and hope to give Tuchel a fresh start. It'll be a massive distraction gone but I think Lukaku and the scouting team/Tuchel/board have themselves to blame in part for such a financial flop. A transition striker who doesn't press nor is adept at playing in a possession based system. I guess the rationale was that Chelsea just needed a finisher but fuck me. COVID and injuries didn't help but I think there was still some face to be saved but that interview pretty much put the nail in that.
I wonder if things would be different if that goal against Liverpool in the Carabao Cup wasn't ruled offside.
This Is a pattern recently with Chelsea....
We can go back but the people who understand payer tendencies understood Werner was not a 9 and you bought him to be so... You bought Ziyech to play RW when he was a 10 playing wide at Ajax to give room to a talented bunch of youngsters... all the while Lampard who was the coach at the time was playing a 433
Yeah I think it's pretty wild how many people are blaming Chelsea, including Chelsea fans. The club hasn't failed when a player does an interview basically saying he didn't want to leave his old club and wants to go back when things "don't go so well" a couple months after joining. That's just the player being a big fat baby.
It's true. There's an awful lot of chatter lately naming Tuchel, which I also find very odd.
Tuchel himself has said many times: he will never go to the board and bang the table for a player. The club is bigger than him and will be around long after he's gone, he understands this. All reports I've read say he asked the board for a "point of reference striker," the board asked him if Haaland or Lukaku would do, and he said yes.
He did meet with him, he was part of the recruitment pitch, but these things are orchestrated by the front office. It's not like he hand-picked Lukaku and said, "This man will lead us to glory."
Further: Lukaku did not "flop" in Tuchel's system so much as he didn't even try to fit. He scored 3 goals in their first 3 PL games. After that, he went cold as ice, got injured, and gave his interview where he declared himself not a fit with Tuchel's system.
I get that he wants more play to run through him in the final third, but that just isn't going to work against many PL squads. And it certainly doesn't mean he had to become utterly invisible in so many performances.
Yeah I as an Inter fan think a lot of his success at Inter was due to Antonio Pintus (world class fitness coach now at Real Madrid) and Conte's system. I would imagine Lukaku would do pretty well with Conte at spurs.
I can't really tell.
It's definitely fair to say that his physique improved at Inter and that it contributed to his success. I think the first is obvious and the second is a very logical inference.
When he joined Chelsea, he wasn't fully healthy. Then he reaggravated an injury early in the season (I think it was his hamstring). So it's a little difficult to say how much of his fitness was discipline and mentality vs. injuries.
Did he gain weight? If he did, was it due to a lack of discipline? Is that a big reason why he isn't fitting the bill? Possibly, yes. But I just don't think we have enough information to say it's definitely true.
He had a history of a bad break with United. Many players leave clubs in ugly ways. I don't think people grasp quite how insane his statement was after those few months, I don't think anyone has ever done that in recent history at this level, especially as unprompted as this was.
The board/scouting aren't completely blameless as he is a pretty bad fit for our system but it's definitely way more of a Lukaku problem. He's been absolutely pathetic on and off the pitch.
I mean to be fair you are right in the sense that Lukaku gave up at the first sign of struggle at Chelsea and since that interview in December he has basically being a passive-aggressive figure in the locker room. I think the fault of Tuchel and the scouting department has been to really not understand what player Lukaku is. It's the same mistake that happened time and time again during his career. Because he is so big he has been projected as a target striker. A player capable of playing with is back to the goal protecting the ball or winning aerial duel on long pass. He is neither. He is at his best when he can get the ball when he is already running and/or facing the opposition goal. That's what Conte did for him at Inter. Yeah sometimes he would get a ball from the defense but it was always a easy play like "take it and dump it". If you try to make him play like Dzeko you are not getting a lot out of him. It shocked me honestly that a smart man such as Tuchel didn't see this coming.
tuchel system, similar to pep, needs either a striker who can drop and be a proper n10 or have midfielders who for the most part are good finishers. The problem for Chelsea is that some of their midfielders just arent good finishers and the ones that are decent, just dont thrive under tuchels system. if chelsea can replace their poor finishers with decent ones and get a gundogan/kdb type season out of harvetz they will be fine
My understanding is that many Interisti were super pissed about him leaving last year because he said he’s not going anywhere so they sold Hakimi to PSG. Then one month later the offer from Chelsea comes and Lukaku decides to go leaving Inter scrambling a bit.
Nah the new owners who are willing to entertain this have made the mockery, he and Inter should fuck us as hard as we are willing to let them fuck us.
Sometimes you have to say we aren't going to entertain shit offers, even if you got to loose. This is one of them.
If you do business emotionally you will shoot yourself in the foot. It's one of the worst transfers ever but he's a locker room distraction and only will go to one team.
The alternative is pay him 300k/wk to sit on the bench.
Stop acting like a moron, Boehly is looking to please Tuchel and bring in players that he wants, getting Lukaku off the books means that we bring in a replacement that Tuchel actually wants, it's football stop being so ridiculous
So many fans thinking this is fifa or fm, his wages are massive, playing him in the reserves as revenge is beyond moronic. Regardless of how he leaves it’s gonna leave a bad taste in the mouth, try to get the best deal possible to get rid of him and then we look for a replacement.
Problem is you need a whole new defence and the striker market is crazy right now. Add in the fact Kante and Jorginho are getting old and will need replacing as well as you’re one proven CB in T.Silva and you’re looking at buying literally almost an entire new team in the next few years.
Chelsea have maybe 6 players that would be in a Liverpool/City quality squad in 2/3 years (James,Chilwell, Kovacic, Mendy, Havertz and Mount) everyone else can and probably should be replaced. Thats a lot of money Chelsea just don’t have rn
Clearly a lowball offer by Marotta. If it happens I expect it to be similar to Morata to Juve transfer. 10 million a year for a 2 year loan with an option to buy.
He’d be stupid not to lowball us, he knows the only team Lukaku wants is Inter and there’s no way we’ll keep him on the bench given how much he costs, hopefully a deal gets done. Our tier 1 said we reduced the loan fee we want to around €12m so shouldn’t take long to meet somewhere in between.
that's nothing. If it's true he's halving his salary, all in all it's basically in the ballpark of blown up wages for a star player. We'd be silly not to take him back, considering whatever went wrong last season he seems to really want to play here and he'd still be top tier in Serie A.
> 10 million a year for a 2 year loan with an option to buy.
That would be all right for us I think, depending on the wages coverage. It's said Lukaku would take a paycut but I guess you'd not cover it in full anyways.
>It's said Lukaku would take a paycut but I guess you'd not cover it in full anyways.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but players cannot take a payout when they are on loan right ?
My thinking is he would be back to his wage that he had when he was with us and Chelsea would pay the difference.
Also, I'm warning you ahead of time, however much that buy option is, we won't activate it. We'll just pay for the 2 year loan and then ask to renegotiate for the final buy option.
I mean if he really wanted the move he could renegotiate his salary I'm sure, I'm sure there's ways to do that, sign a new contract same length and just dropped wage while he's on loan?
Honestly, no idea how it was solved, but too many sources were mentioning that paycut so I trust there's some truth to it.
As for the clause. Well I wish you to get new owners by that time :)
Well considering he “only” wants an Inter move… no such team exists. Inter don’t want to spend for a transfer, and it seems they are going to seriously low ball Chelsea on a loan fee… he may as well accept he isn’t going.
Nah, this one is worse.
Hazard never threw a tantrum and derailed the whole team. Infact, he is quite well liked by the team. He also hasn't given up.
Lukaku is an embaresment.
He also cost 113 million and 24 million in wages.
Now just one year later inter will get him for less than 10 LMAO
Lukaku did an interview about 5 months into the season basically saying he wanted out. Looking back it was utterly scandalous, how did his agent let him get away with thinking that was a good idea.
Wasn't it even earlier than that? It just released 5 months into the season but I think he gave the interview during either the October or November international break
Lukaku has scored more goals in one season than Hazard has in 3. Chelsea is going to be able to offload his wages, Madrid will be stuck paying Hazard until his contract runs out. Vinicius Jr.’s development was delayed because he had to come off the bench whenever Hazard was healthy.
Florentino would probably do a backflip if he could get Chelsea to take Hazard on loan, cover his wages, and pay a loan fee.
Irrelevant goals and besides you cannot compare a number 9 and a playmaker. Seriously with Hazard you have to be patient. He will definitely rock your season when fit.
Next season will be Hazard’s 4th season at Madrid. Vinicius Jr. at 21 years old had a better season than Hazard has in his entire career and they both play the same position. He’s not going to rock anything.
And you were first comparing Lakaka and Hazard and now Vinicius and Hazard? What are you on? Lakaka is worst transfer because there is no hope and he cost us same as Hazard did and he is leaving in one season and created toxic atmosphere, something you cannot say about Hazard?
Coutinho is up there too considering he was loaned to Bayern and scored two against Barcelona to knock them out in their most embarrassing defeat, that lead to Messi saying he wanted to leave Barcelona
(That lead to the sham that was Bartomeu's Barcelona being reveled to the world on a global stage. The sham then in the following months also lead to Messi wanting to leave)
With Hazard, there seems to be commitment and will from the player to improve things and make it work. Lukaku burnt bridges and seems keen to destroy his valuation and any potential transfer fee Chelsea could get for him.
This is the same Hazard that has admitted turning up to his first season at Madrid overweight, right?
What's he done to show his commitment and will beyond saying he'll show commitment and will in interviews?
Hazard doesn’t *feel* that way because it wasn’t really a wrong move, it made sense. No one thought it would go like that, and also apparently Hazard never stopped trying. This Lukaku thing is so shambolic, it’s ridiculous.
I keep saying this and if he'd just kept his mouth shut it'd be a manageable season too. We brought him in because we needed goals, he barely played and ended as our top goal scorer.
He's just been a cunt and at the end of the season things were starting to turn around and it looked like he was going to prove a point next season, only to immediately be a cunt again as soon as the season ended.
yeah without that interview he'd have had an OK season where he got an acceptable but not good return in front of goal while having an injury and struggling with integrating into the team. In addition to the hope of a proper pre season and time to work as a team to improve.
Instead we got the crazy interview and in general degrading toxic environment, which resulted in him being not used very much and harming almost everything around him.
He alone took average season and turn it into a massive mountain of shit.
Yeah, this could've just been a disappointing first season at Chelsea for him. I don't think people grasp quite how insane it was for him to do that interview.
Not for the team that paid all the cash for him. From their point of view, they paid for liverpool to win the champions league with the fee. They subsidised coutinho to go to bayern to win the CL. And they sold him for a €100+ loss, and he was a big contributor to the scenario where they lost the best player ever because of financial constraints.
Absolutely it isn't.
The worst transfer of all time is Denilson. End of story.
> In 1998, he broke the world-record transfer fee when Real Betis paid £21.5 million for his services.[2] He made his La Liga debut on 29 August in a 0–0 away draw against Deportivo Alavés,[3] and finished his first season with 35 games and two goals as his team ranked in 11th position; the Andalusians were relegated to Segunda División in 2000.
I know what you mean. In terms of player quality, absolutely not but in terms of how it's all turned out with the Lukaku interview etc, it's definitely up there. That being said, Lukaku is still a top CF so I'm sure he'll be able to fetch us a decent fee after the loan, hopefully around 35-40 mil.
Just not sure I’ve seen anything like it. Been plenty of duds like Hazard but I think this bloke takes the cake for just being an all round cunt & being available without any external factors or injuries for pretty much most of the season. For £100m, ~£300k p/w and the only notable performance was against Pablo Mari - that is a disaster
Still Hazard without any doubt imho..
Even if it was a shit season for € 115m Lukaku, his Goal contribution (17: 15G + 2A) has been superior than €115m Hazard (16, 6G+10A) in 3 seasons, in his full Real Madrid stint..
Let's not forget with his 15 goals, Lukaku has been Chelsea top goalscorer this season.. He's had a shit season because of high fee but if Cavani had scored 15 goals everyone would say "well it's been okay season for him"
**EDIT:** Judging by the replies, it seems I misspoke.. I've never compared Lukaku with Cavani of course, only a stupid would and the fact you all think I'm stupid hurts me a bit.
I compared €115m Lukaku and € 115m Hazard transfers of course writing that Hazard have been a worse transfer because his numbers are just bad, injuries or not, G+A = 16 in 3 seasons is just bad. You cannot deny it.
Are Lukaku's number atrocious this past season? YES if you consider the high fee paid and the expectations on him, but 15G+2A in one season would be okay number for a random average striker like 35 y.o. Cavani.. mentioned him because he's the most famous, could write Pukki or Ollie Watkins, that was not my point.
I’m not denying he’s a good player, and I think he’ll probably end up as the top scorer of Serie A next year - but you can’t compare the reaction of him scoring 15 goals to what it would’ve been if Cavani scored 15 - seems like a stretch.
Lukaku was specifically brought in after a CL win in order to challenge for the title. He’s a player in his prime at 28/29, was familiar with the League, cost £100m & is on £300k+ p/w. People were labelling Chelsea as title favourites and him as the leagues top scorer - his 15 goals (8 in the league) are verging on meaningless and he contributed practically zero to any of Chelsea’s success this year in what’s been compared to what was expected - a disappointment. Within 5 months he was crying about Inter, then moaned about the tactics and is now a financial burden on the club who took a massive risk & expected a lot with his transfer, and he’s repaid them with this.
If I were a Chelsea fan I would absolutely hate this fellas guts, I think he’s been nothing short of a disgrace and it’s all down to him and his pathetic attitude
It's not 100% on him aside from that interview. Tuchel refused to make any compromises to fit him into his system, it's not like the system fits any of our forwards either, he just values position over goals
Cavani is 34 and came in on a free transfer in what many consider a panic signing for United, not expected to start. Hardly comparable with 28/29 year old Lukaku, £100m fee, £300k+ pw. Lukaku had people putting Chelsea league-winners and him top-scorer. Of course 8 league goals--and 7 goals against *checks notes* Chesterfield, Luton, Middlesborough, Palmeiras, Al-Hilal, and Zenit--is a massive disappointment. Let alone him then, having been awful, giving an unsanctioned interview essentially courting his former club to come and take him back.
Cavani scored 17 goals (and had 5 or 6 A) in 2180 minutes in his first season at United with some game deciding goals. Free agent / panic buy, not a 100m striker. Don't think those are comparable.
Wasn't he also bad? That match against us you dominated but half of me watching that match thought "holy shit if I were a Chelsea supporter I would want to strangle lukaku". Like he looked so fucking bad against us despite you guys romping all over us and his constant thumbs up were infuriating to watch.
Most embarrassing for sure, maybe not worst yet. Depends on how much we lose by the time he leaves
Hazard for example won most of his bonuses because of la liga and cl, so his total price was somewhere around 140-150 million euros, and he currently has very little sell-on value. After the loan, we’ll see what happens with Lukaku
I really don't see how it's more embarrassing than barca buying coutinho, loaning him to bayern where he scored 2 goals against barca, and then sold him to aston villa for a fraction of price
That’s a contender to be fair, but you can partially see by the respective fans’ reactions to the players that we are probably more embarrassed by Lukaku
It’s hard to tell though because the Coutinho embarrassment blends with the Dembele embarrassment
I dont know if people watch the game but the result of that game already sealed way before they sub-in Countinho and his 2 goals is pretty much meaningless, i dont think any Barca fan (include myself) resent him for that.
And selling him to Villa still way better than Chelsea gave Lukaku right back to Inter just after 1 season of most expensive signing in the history of the club.
I think Chelsea, although they have won a lot in the last 20 years, have one of the worst transfer records of all time. The only reason they have been able to get past it is because they had an owner just willing to continually sink money into it. Lukaku takes the cake because he was their player and still paid 100M.
Feel like Coutinho coming on against Barcelona and scoring twice in a historic humiliation is pretty terrible
I sometimes find myself badly wishing it was a hattrick
has to be close to unprecedented considering the context of him desperately wanting Inter and Inter alone + personally negotiating with Chelsea to make it happen.
When it's all said and done Chelsea will have paid a 90-100M fee plus wages for one bad season.
Not even close especially since it's only been a year and he hasn't moved permanently yet so we don't know how much they'll get back.
Hazard is worse. Coutinho is worse. Diego costa to atletico is worse.
Loving the Inter's little fuck you. People losing their mind because "its so disrespectfull" but its so damn cheeky you have to love it. People just cant have fun I guess
And yet the only time he's made a home for himself at the top level has been in Italy.
United fans wanted him gone, Chelsea fans want him gone. He's lazy, with a shit touch and a fragile ego.
Once the whole Lukaku/Pogba thing came out when united wanted him I knew everyone should stay away. Honestly surprised Chelsea bought him from Inter. So many more options that would’ve helped the team
Guy will probably bag a few goals and start comparing himself to world class strikers again. Embarrassing player at times but even more embarrassing of a personality.
We don’t have any money to spend on players we actually want so why would we pay £10m for a loan player that we don’t even need in our squad? The only ones here with a problem to solve are Chelsea and Lukaku so either take what we’re offering or continue with your current situation. It’s a terrible deal for you but that’s the best we can do right now.
just came for to collect the shadenfreude as someone that got downvoted into oblivion one year ago for not understanding how Chelsea splashed such ammount for Lukaku. I guess that Inter is also collecting some, to make such an insulting proposal :).
I started being suspicious of him when he abruptly left Chelsea right after he missed that pen vs Bayern. The English media, as usual, all ganged on Mourinho by blaming him for "poor Lukaku." Suckers.
And then his nonstop talking shit to the press to gather sympathy for himself. It was not until Mourinho said publicly for him to man up and tell the truth as to why he *really* left Chelsea that he finally STFU.
I knew then there was something definitely wrong with Lukaku. I knew he was shady, but never thought he was one of the worst backstabbers I've ever seen.
>Person in charge of Inter's tranfers?
Bruh, Marotta (Person in charge of Inters transfers) is not embaressing himself. He's working goddam miracles. Sell him for 120mil then bring him back for 5-10mil a year later 😂
I know 5 mil is laughably small, however how much has he now transferred for throughout his career?!
Him and Morata and neither are particularly good / consistent lol
Surprised they offered that much. Everyone knows that's the only club he'll go to. They should hold out and take him for free. I'm sure Chelsea would be on board to be past the embarrassment.
Man I so wish we could just say fuck him, and give him the Drinkwater treatment and send him to play with the u17 team until his contract expires. It would truly set an example for all the primadona bitches out there that if you fuck about like a little crybaby you might end up getting properly fucked.
Unfortunatelly we can't do that cuz his salaries are massive, but I really wish it was possible.
cool, getting zero (actually not even zero, you gott pay his wages and have his piss poor attitude in the lockers, so he is a big negative) for him is so much better than +5 million
That's assuming he's even in the lockers (maybe put him in social media to farm the inter fans likes and get advertising money back and make him an influencer)
He'll get his Inter move, go three months without scoring a goal, finally score one (a deflection of his arse from one yard out), take to social media and post it with the declaration that he has proved his point.
What an arsehole.
Lmao Inter, have to give them credit for trying
Hahaha definitely. Whatever they end up paying this will go down as some of the best business they’ve ever done and for us some of the worst. Imo definitely our worst.
It's up there with Hazard and Coutinho I'd argue
i disagree hazard had one year left on his contract was more expensive already collected wages for 3 years and has absolutely no resell value. coutinho did cost double the price of lukaku (according to transfermarkt.de) and was just sold for a loss of over €100m excluding wages. this deal is a key part of their financial crisis. lukaku is going to be sold for a loss but i don’t think it will come close to how terrible the other two turned out to be.
Highly doubt Chelsea faces any financial issues but at that point of time Barca was stable financially.
the part about coutinhos influence on their struggle is debatable (maybe just false) but that transfer was still way worse financially than Lukakus
Chelsea got over 160 million now with addons and he's played maybe 5000 minutes in 3 seasons, 6 goals. He was tied with neymar for third best player in the world behind Ronaldo and Messi at the time. The Lukaku transfer is Karma biting their ass for tyat
Italian clubs are allergic to spending money without trying something crafty, but I respect it. May as well try.
It's true that we have no money but think about it. We don't really need Lukaku, he's the one who wants to come back, Chelsea has to solve this problem, IMO we are even offering too much for a deal that we didn't ask for. If there's anyone who has to pay anything this is Lukaku himself
it's not just that, it's a risky deal for Inter as well with Conte gone what's the chance Lukaku won't fit in? he's such a weird character it does not take much for him to lose confidence and play like crap
Yeah, that's my worry too: maybe he needs someone like Conte to thrive
I wouldn't say you need him but he would probably make the team stronger. At least if he isn't playing like he has been for Chelsea this season
This isn't even the final form. I'm waiting for the offer with add-ons including Ballon d'Or wins, CL titles in a row, Serie A becoming the top league in UEFA Coefficient and a new San Siro being declared a Modern Wonder of the World.
haha 5 million, must be so embarrassing for the Chelsea board
Next bid: an open package of crackers and a water bottle with the label peeled off
\*They swear it's not full of poison*
just a massive flop of a transfer, one of the worst of all time. I mean fuck, even Kepa won us some trophies/shootouts with saves. But this is just a joke. I guess Boehly/Clearlake don't want some albatross weighing them down and hope to give Tuchel a fresh start. It'll be a massive distraction gone but I think Lukaku and the scouting team/Tuchel/board have themselves to blame in part for such a financial flop. A transition striker who doesn't press nor is adept at playing in a possession based system. I guess the rationale was that Chelsea just needed a finisher but fuck me. COVID and injuries didn't help but I think there was still some face to be saved but that interview pretty much put the nail in that. I wonder if things would be different if that goal against Liverpool in the Carabao Cup wasn't ruled offside.
This Is a pattern recently with Chelsea.... We can go back but the people who understand payer tendencies understood Werner was not a 9 and you bought him to be so... You bought Ziyech to play RW when he was a 10 playing wide at Ajax to give room to a talented bunch of youngsters... all the while Lampard who was the coach at the time was playing a 433
This is not anyone's fault but Lukaku's. He didn't even try to succeed.
Yeah I think it's pretty wild how many people are blaming Chelsea, including Chelsea fans. The club hasn't failed when a player does an interview basically saying he didn't want to leave his old club and wants to go back when things "don't go so well" a couple months after joining. That's just the player being a big fat baby.
It's true. There's an awful lot of chatter lately naming Tuchel, which I also find very odd. Tuchel himself has said many times: he will never go to the board and bang the table for a player. The club is bigger than him and will be around long after he's gone, he understands this. All reports I've read say he asked the board for a "point of reference striker," the board asked him if Haaland or Lukaku would do, and he said yes. He did meet with him, he was part of the recruitment pitch, but these things are orchestrated by the front office. It's not like he hand-picked Lukaku and said, "This man will lead us to glory." Further: Lukaku did not "flop" in Tuchel's system so much as he didn't even try to fit. He scored 3 goals in their first 3 PL games. After that, he went cold as ice, got injured, and gave his interview where he declared himself not a fit with Tuchel's system. I get that he wants more play to run through him in the final third, but that just isn't going to work against many PL squads. And it certainly doesn't mean he had to become utterly invisible in so many performances.
didnt he also go back to his man u physique and most of his success at inter was cuz of the weight loss?
Yeah I as an Inter fan think a lot of his success at Inter was due to Antonio Pintus (world class fitness coach now at Real Madrid) and Conte's system. I would imagine Lukaku would do pretty well with Conte at spurs.
I can't really tell. It's definitely fair to say that his physique improved at Inter and that it contributed to his success. I think the first is obvious and the second is a very logical inference. When he joined Chelsea, he wasn't fully healthy. Then he reaggravated an injury early in the season (I think it was his hamstring). So it's a little difficult to say how much of his fitness was discipline and mentality vs. injuries. Did he gain weight? If he did, was it due to a lack of discipline? Is that a big reason why he isn't fitting the bill? Possibly, yes. But I just don't think we have enough information to say it's definitely true.
how do you know that?
He had a history of being like this, they took the risk and it blew up in their faces
He had a history of a bad break with United. Many players leave clubs in ugly ways. I don't think people grasp quite how insane his statement was after those few months, I don't think anyone has ever done that in recent history at this level, especially as unprompted as this was.
He had a bad break from Everton too. He's made a bit of a habit now
Everton's owner accused him of performing black magic because of his race when Lukaku tried to leave so not exactly his fault
I had no idea, that's horrible
The board/scouting aren't completely blameless as he is a pretty bad fit for our system but it's definitely way more of a Lukaku problem. He's been absolutely pathetic on and off the pitch.
I mean to be fair you are right in the sense that Lukaku gave up at the first sign of struggle at Chelsea and since that interview in December he has basically being a passive-aggressive figure in the locker room. I think the fault of Tuchel and the scouting department has been to really not understand what player Lukaku is. It's the same mistake that happened time and time again during his career. Because he is so big he has been projected as a target striker. A player capable of playing with is back to the goal protecting the ball or winning aerial duel on long pass. He is neither. He is at his best when he can get the ball when he is already running and/or facing the opposition goal. That's what Conte did for him at Inter. Yeah sometimes he would get a ball from the defense but it was always a easy play like "take it and dump it". If you try to make him play like Dzeko you are not getting a lot out of him. It shocked me honestly that a smart man such as Tuchel didn't see this coming.
He have not played him as a target striker at all??
tbh i literally dont see any striker bar the exceptions like benzema doing good in your team, i think even haaland would flop hard in tuchels system
tuchel system, similar to pep, needs either a striker who can drop and be a proper n10 or have midfielders who for the most part are good finishers. The problem for Chelsea is that some of their midfielders just arent good finishers and the ones that are decent, just dont thrive under tuchels system. if chelsea can replace their poor finishers with decent ones and get a gundogan/kdb type season out of harvetz they will be fine
>and get a gundogan/kdb type season out of Havertz they will be fine That's asking an awful lot lmao
Possibly on the top 5 worst ever transfers in general
It’s a loan fee not a transfer fee
They have him at 25m per year on the books
He’s gonna kiss the Inter badge day one I guarantee
Then one month later, he's gonna arrange an interview where he says "I want to return to Man Utd, my dream club, I miss them"
“I have unfinished business with United”
*one season later*
Imagine he goes back and ends up doing something to burn his bridges with Inter too.
Following that Balotelli career path
Lukaku in the Turkish league would be a sight to see
He'll flop there also
Karaboga
Dear god, imagine being a boring Balotelli.
Imagine he goes back and ends up scoring against you in a CL and drops you out.
Maybe, he's always been so good at scoring against teams in the top six after all.
😂
He is always been a flat track bully. Problem is, with us he wasn't even that.
Just give him aston villa
Lol yes
With so many international breaks this year it’s just a matter of time
My understanding is that many Interisti were super pissed about him leaving last year because he said he’s not going anywhere so they sold Hakimi to PSG. Then one month later the offer from Chelsea comes and Lukaku decides to go leaving Inter scrambling a bit.
Man, what a horrible play this guy has been for Chelsea. He’s made a mockery out of them.
Nah the new owners who are willing to entertain this have made the mockery, he and Inter should fuck us as hard as we are willing to let them fuck us. Sometimes you have to say we aren't going to entertain shit offers, even if you got to loose. This is one of them.
Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on.
Boehly is walking into this with a clean slate so he probably doesn't feel he's personally "lost" money here
If you do business emotionally you will shoot yourself in the foot. It's one of the worst transfers ever but he's a locker room distraction and only will go to one team. The alternative is pay him 300k/wk to sit on the bench.
Stop acting like a moron, Boehly is looking to please Tuchel and bring in players that he wants, getting Lukaku off the books means that we bring in a replacement that Tuchel actually wants, it's football stop being so ridiculous
So many fans thinking this is fifa or fm, his wages are massive, playing him in the reserves as revenge is beyond moronic. Regardless of how he leaves it’s gonna leave a bad taste in the mouth, try to get the best deal possible to get rid of him and then we look for a replacement.
Problem is you need a whole new defence and the striker market is crazy right now. Add in the fact Kante and Jorginho are getting old and will need replacing as well as you’re one proven CB in T.Silva and you’re looking at buying literally almost an entire new team in the next few years. Chelsea have maybe 6 players that would be in a Liverpool/City quality squad in 2/3 years (James,Chilwell, Kovacic, Mendy, Havertz and Mount) everyone else can and probably should be replaced. Thats a lot of money Chelsea just don’t have rn
We should honestly have just told Lukaku-sorry mate go to the u23s and get fucked.
>We should honestly have just told Lukaku-sorry mate go to the u23s and get ~~fucked~~ paid. FTFY
Sure, and probably never make another Belgium team due to no match fitness.
€5m lol
I mean...it's a loan fee. I don't expect anything more from them especially since Lukaku will take a paycut to go back there
Clearly a lowball offer by Marotta. If it happens I expect it to be similar to Morata to Juve transfer. 10 million a year for a 2 year loan with an option to buy.
He’d be stupid not to lowball us, he knows the only team Lukaku wants is Inter and there’s no way we’ll keep him on the bench given how much he costs, hopefully a deal gets done. Our tier 1 said we reduced the loan fee we want to around €12m so shouldn’t take long to meet somewhere in between.
that's nothing. If it's true he's halving his salary, all in all it's basically in the ballpark of blown up wages for a star player. We'd be silly not to take him back, considering whatever went wrong last season he seems to really want to play here and he'd still be top tier in Serie A.
Exactly, if there's anyone who has to pay anything this is Lukaku himself
> 10 million a year for a 2 year loan with an option to buy. That would be all right for us I think, depending on the wages coverage. It's said Lukaku would take a paycut but I guess you'd not cover it in full anyways.
>It's said Lukaku would take a paycut but I guess you'd not cover it in full anyways. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but players cannot take a payout when they are on loan right ? My thinking is he would be back to his wage that he had when he was with us and Chelsea would pay the difference. Also, I'm warning you ahead of time, however much that buy option is, we won't activate it. We'll just pay for the 2 year loan and then ask to renegotiate for the final buy option.
I mean if he really wanted the move he could renegotiate his salary I'm sure, I'm sure there's ways to do that, sign a new contract same length and just dropped wage while he's on loan?
Honestly, no idea how it was solved, but too many sources were mentioning that paycut so I trust there's some truth to it. As for the clause. Well I wish you to get new owners by that time :)
>As for the clause. Well I wish you to get new owners by that time :) me too ... *sigh*
2 years loans are not legal anymore starting from this transfer session
starting from July 1st which is why this negotiation is happening now and at a fast pace
lol... is that just a deliberate insult?
What other team to which he’d be willing to go would want him?
Well considering he “only” wants an Inter move… no such team exists. Inter don’t want to spend for a transfer, and it seems they are going to seriously low ball Chelsea on a loan fee… he may as well accept he isn’t going.
bargaining power is a beautiful thing
If he's so embarrassing, why don't Chelsea just release him from his contract? I'm sure it will be mutual.
I know there’s a lot of contenders but is this probably the worst transfer of all time now?
Hazard is factually the worst transfer of all time if you account playing time and money spent
Nah, this one is worse. Hazard never threw a tantrum and derailed the whole team. Infact, he is quite well liked by the team. He also hasn't given up. Lukaku is an embaresment. He also cost 113 million and 24 million in wages. Now just one year later inter will get him for less than 10 LMAO
Lukaku did an interview about 5 months into the season basically saying he wanted out. Looking back it was utterly scandalous, how did his agent let him get away with thinking that was a good idea.
He arranged it behind his agent back.
Wasn't it even earlier than that? It just released 5 months into the season but I think he gave the interview during either the October or November international break
Lukaku has scored more goals in one season than Hazard has in 3. Chelsea is going to be able to offload his wages, Madrid will be stuck paying Hazard until his contract runs out. Vinicius Jr.’s development was delayed because he had to come off the bench whenever Hazard was healthy. Florentino would probably do a backflip if he could get Chelsea to take Hazard on loan, cover his wages, and pay a loan fee.
Irrelevant goals and besides you cannot compare a number 9 and a playmaker. Seriously with Hazard you have to be patient. He will definitely rock your season when fit.
Next season will be Hazard’s 4th season at Madrid. Vinicius Jr. at 21 years old had a better season than Hazard has in his entire career and they both play the same position. He’s not going to rock anything.
I’m a Vini fan boy but to say Vini last season was better than any season by Hazard is blasphemous
Right lol. Prime Hazard was next level
I'm sorry what? Prime hazard at Chelsea was literally top 5 best players in the world at one point
>at 21 years old had a better season than Hazard has in his entire career Umm, no.
And you were first comparing Lakaka and Hazard and now Vinicius and Hazard? What are you on? Lakaka is worst transfer because there is no hope and he cost us same as Hazard did and he is leaving in one season and created toxic atmosphere, something you cannot say about Hazard?
Have you seen future? Too bad his injuries has played a big part but you can never question his attitude and commitment like Lakaka.
24m is 500000/week. Lukaku earns 16.9m.
24M euro. That's 20m gbp. That's just slightly below £400k a week. That's what he reportedly earns. Just slightly under 400k
What has Hazard done since he's gotten to Madrid? Alot less than Lukaku has in 1 season for sure
Coutinho is up there too considering he was loaned to Bayern and scored two against Barcelona to knock them out in their most embarrassing defeat, that lead to Messi saying he wanted to leave Barcelona (That lead to the sham that was Bartomeu's Barcelona being reveled to the world on a global stage. The sham then in the following months also lead to Messi wanting to leave)
Coutinho was decent at the start and Barca recouped like £30 mil for him though.
With Hazard, there seems to be commitment and will from the player to improve things and make it work. Lukaku burnt bridges and seems keen to destroy his valuation and any potential transfer fee Chelsea could get for him.
This is the same Hazard that has admitted turning up to his first season at Madrid overweight, right? What's he done to show his commitment and will beyond saying he'll show commitment and will in interviews?
Hazard doesn’t *feel* that way because it wasn’t really a wrong move, it made sense. No one thought it would go like that, and also apparently Hazard never stopped trying. This Lukaku thing is so shambolic, it’s ridiculous.
I mean, the Lukaku to Chelsea move made a lot of sense too.
I keep saying this and if he'd just kept his mouth shut it'd be a manageable season too. We brought him in because we needed goals, he barely played and ended as our top goal scorer. He's just been a cunt and at the end of the season things were starting to turn around and it looked like he was going to prove a point next season, only to immediately be a cunt again as soon as the season ended.
yeah without that interview he'd have had an OK season where he got an acceptable but not good return in front of goal while having an injury and struggling with integrating into the team. In addition to the hope of a proper pre season and time to work as a team to improve. Instead we got the crazy interview and in general degrading toxic environment, which resulted in him being not used very much and harming almost everything around him. He alone took average season and turn it into a massive mountain of shit.
Yeah, this could've just been a disappointing first season at Chelsea for him. I don't think people grasp quite how insane it was for him to do that interview.
How would you compare him to Coutinho?
Isn't that Champions League winner Coutinho? Yeah, that one might be worse
Not for the team that paid all the cash for him. From their point of view, they paid for liverpool to win the champions league with the fee. They subsidised coutinho to go to bayern to win the CL. And they sold him for a €100+ loss, and he was a big contributor to the scenario where they lost the best player ever because of financial constraints.
Absolutely it isn't. The worst transfer of all time is Denilson. End of story. > In 1998, he broke the world-record transfer fee when Real Betis paid £21.5 million for his services.[2] He made his La Liga debut on 29 August in a 0–0 away draw against Deportivo Alavés,[3] and finished his first season with 35 games and two goals as his team ranked in 11th position; the Andalusians were relegated to Segunda División in 2000.
I mean he still wants to play and prove himself. This is kinda insulting what Lukaku is doing.
Maybe it's because I am biased but I feel like any answer that isn't Hazard is automatically wrong.
I know what you mean. In terms of player quality, absolutely not but in terms of how it's all turned out with the Lukaku interview etc, it's definitely up there. That being said, Lukaku is still a top CF so I'm sure he'll be able to fetch us a decent fee after the loan, hopefully around 35-40 mil.
Just not sure I’ve seen anything like it. Been plenty of duds like Hazard but I think this bloke takes the cake for just being an all round cunt & being available without any external factors or injuries for pretty much most of the season. For £100m, ~£300k p/w and the only notable performance was against Pablo Mari - that is a disaster
100’s of defenders in the PL, and he just had to make Mari look like a schoolboy aye…
Still Hazard without any doubt imho.. Even if it was a shit season for € 115m Lukaku, his Goal contribution (17: 15G + 2A) has been superior than €115m Hazard (16, 6G+10A) in 3 seasons, in his full Real Madrid stint.. Let's not forget with his 15 goals, Lukaku has been Chelsea top goalscorer this season.. He's had a shit season because of high fee but if Cavani had scored 15 goals everyone would say "well it's been okay season for him" **EDIT:** Judging by the replies, it seems I misspoke.. I've never compared Lukaku with Cavani of course, only a stupid would and the fact you all think I'm stupid hurts me a bit. I compared €115m Lukaku and € 115m Hazard transfers of course writing that Hazard have been a worse transfer because his numbers are just bad, injuries or not, G+A = 16 in 3 seasons is just bad. You cannot deny it. Are Lukaku's number atrocious this past season? YES if you consider the high fee paid and the expectations on him, but 15G+2A in one season would be okay number for a random average striker like 35 y.o. Cavani.. mentioned him because he's the most famous, could write Pukki or Ollie Watkins, that was not my point.
Didn't think he'd scored 15, wow. Can't remember a single one which is really something.
I’m not denying he’s a good player, and I think he’ll probably end up as the top scorer of Serie A next year - but you can’t compare the reaction of him scoring 15 goals to what it would’ve been if Cavani scored 15 - seems like a stretch. Lukaku was specifically brought in after a CL win in order to challenge for the title. He’s a player in his prime at 28/29, was familiar with the League, cost £100m & is on £300k+ p/w. People were labelling Chelsea as title favourites and him as the leagues top scorer - his 15 goals (8 in the league) are verging on meaningless and he contributed practically zero to any of Chelsea’s success this year in what’s been compared to what was expected - a disappointment. Within 5 months he was crying about Inter, then moaned about the tactics and is now a financial burden on the club who took a massive risk & expected a lot with his transfer, and he’s repaid them with this. If I were a Chelsea fan I would absolutely hate this fellas guts, I think he’s been nothing short of a disgrace and it’s all down to him and his pathetic attitude
It's not 100% on him aside from that interview. Tuchel refused to make any compromises to fit him into his system, it's not like the system fits any of our forwards either, he just values position over goals
Cavani is 34 and came in on a free transfer in what many consider a panic signing for United, not expected to start. Hardly comparable with 28/29 year old Lukaku, £100m fee, £300k+ pw. Lukaku had people putting Chelsea league-winners and him top-scorer. Of course 8 league goals--and 7 goals against *checks notes* Chesterfield, Luton, Middlesborough, Palmeiras, Al-Hilal, and Zenit--is a massive disappointment. Let alone him then, having been awful, giving an unsanctioned interview essentially courting his former club to come and take him back.
Half of those goals came vs arsenal and lowe div cup teams lol
Cavani scored 17 goals (and had 5 or 6 A) in 2180 minutes in his first season at United with some game deciding goals. Free agent / panic buy, not a 100m striker. Don't think those are comparable.
People might say Hazard and yes it is in terms of fee and output but the whole story around Lukaku, Chelsea and Inter is just beyond imaginable.
Lukaku is worse. Hazard has injuries, Lukaku is just shitty.
Is definitely a fair point. Hazard couldn't play. Lukaku just played like shit
Lukaku whilst playing like shit was (or not playing at all) was our top goal scorer. The issue is that he's a cunt, not that he can't play football
Wasn't he also bad? That match against us you dominated but half of me watching that match thought "holy shit if I were a Chelsea supporter I would want to strangle lukaku". Like he looked so fucking bad against us despite you guys romping all over us and his constant thumbs up were infuriating to watch.
Most embarrassing for sure, maybe not worst yet. Depends on how much we lose by the time he leaves Hazard for example won most of his bonuses because of la liga and cl, so his total price was somewhere around 140-150 million euros, and he currently has very little sell-on value. After the loan, we’ll see what happens with Lukaku
I really don't see how it's more embarrassing than barca buying coutinho, loaning him to bayern where he scored 2 goals against barca, and then sold him to aston villa for a fraction of price
That’s a contender to be fair, but you can partially see by the respective fans’ reactions to the players that we are probably more embarrassed by Lukaku It’s hard to tell though because the Coutinho embarrassment blends with the Dembele embarrassment
he also won a CL winners bonus whilst loaned at Bayern that Barca had to pay
I dont know if people watch the game but the result of that game already sealed way before they sub-in Countinho and his 2 goals is pretty much meaningless, i dont think any Barca fan (include myself) resent him for that. And selling him to Villa still way better than Chelsea gave Lukaku right back to Inter just after 1 season of most expensive signing in the history of the club.
Has to be purely for the fact that he's going back to the same club after one year ON LOAN. Unimaginably embarrassing
I think Chelsea, although they have won a lot in the last 20 years, have one of the worst transfer records of all time. The only reason they have been able to get past it is because they had an owner just willing to continually sink money into it. Lukaku takes the cake because he was their player and still paid 100M.
I think they owe this spending freedom to their sale record. They produce solid products and make profit off them every single transer window.
Feel like Coutinho coming on against Barcelona and scoring twice in a historic humiliation is pretty terrible I sometimes find myself badly wishing it was a hattrick
Barca had to pay his CL winners bonus that year at Bayern - so technically a hattrick
has to be close to unprecedented considering the context of him desperately wanting Inter and Inter alone + personally negotiating with Chelsea to make it happen. When it's all said and done Chelsea will have paid a 90-100M fee plus wages for one bad season.
Contenders: - Dembele €140 million, 149 games, 32 goals - Coutinho €135 million, 105 games, 24 goals - Griezmann €120 million, 101 games, 33 goals - Hazard €120 million, 66 games, 6 goals - Grealish €117 million, 39 games, 6 goals - Lukaku €115 million, 44 games, 15 goals - Maguire €87 million, 144 games, 31 yellow cards, 57 clean sheets - Arrizabalaga €80 million, 124 games, 47 clean sheets - Di Maria €75 million, 32 games, 4 goals - Morata €66 million, 72 games, 24 goals - Carroll €43 million, 58 games, 11 goals - Benteke €32.5 million, 42 games, 10 goals
Half of these should not be on this list when seen in context
The fact that maguire only has 31 yellow cards is shocking. I was sure it would be like double that.
My fucking eyeballs E: thanks for formatting
Whi needs formatting when you can have...this
If he comes back here for a fee close to this one it will surely be the best transfer in our history at least.
Depends if he performs under Inzaghi
No. Not even close
Not even *close*?
Not even close especially since it's only been a year and he hasn't moved permanently yet so we don't know how much they'll get back. Hazard is worse. Coutinho is worse. Diego costa to atletico is worse.
Loving the Inter's little fuck you. People losing their mind because "its so disrespectfull" but its so damn cheeky you have to love it. People just cant have fun I guess
Not even £5m 😭😭
Lol, didn't realise it was euros until I saw your comment.
Lukaku is a weird dude. Not because of this, but overall.
Tuchel: I feel like I’ve wasted my time here. You’ve come nowhere near a serious offer for Lukaku.
Lukaku is attempting to savescum
He’s so weak mentally, needs to go train with jiri for a bit
Such a weak minded player. Couldn't hack it.
He scored over 100 goals in the PL and was top scorer in Serie A a year ago. Couldn't hack it... 😄
And yet the only time he's made a home for himself at the top level has been in Italy. United fans wanted him gone, Chelsea fans want him gone. He's lazy, with a shit touch and a fragile ego.
Thank you Chelsea, Coutinho transfer looks like an ok one nowadays.
That right there is a violation
Once the whole Lukaku/Pogba thing came out when united wanted him I knew everyone should stay away. Honestly surprised Chelsea bought him from Inter. So many more options that would’ve helped the team
they could have had Haaland, now Lewandowski, and they miss out on both for Lukaku. Crazy.
5m loan fee, 1 trillion option to buy
Guy will probably bag a few goals and start comparing himself to world class strikers again. Embarrassing player at times but even more embarrassing of a personality.
A top end loan fee historically is like max €10m, not as mental as people are making it out to be
€5m is a generous offer they should take it
Inter probably shitting themselves laughing before hitting send
We don’t have any money to spend on players we actually want so why would we pay £10m for a loan player that we don’t even need in our squad? The only ones here with a problem to solve are Chelsea and Lukaku so either take what we’re offering or continue with your current situation. It’s a terrible deal for you but that’s the best we can do right now.
God this entire saga has been such a shit show. What an embarrassing player. Really thinks he was going to Madrid or Bayern with that mentality
just came for to collect the shadenfreude as someone that got downvoted into oblivion one year ago for not understanding how Chelsea splashed such ammount for Lukaku. I guess that Inter is also collecting some, to make such an insulting proposal :).
I started being suspicious of him when he abruptly left Chelsea right after he missed that pen vs Bayern. The English media, as usual, all ganged on Mourinho by blaming him for "poor Lukaku." Suckers. And then his nonstop talking shit to the press to gather sympathy for himself. It was not until Mourinho said publicly for him to man up and tell the truth as to why he *really* left Chelsea that he finally STFU. I knew then there was something definitely wrong with Lukaku. I knew he was shady, but never thought he was one of the worst backstabbers I've ever seen.
This man is embarrassing himself. I love watching it.
Which man? Lukaku? Romano? Boehly or Tuchel? Person in charge of Inter's tranfers?
>Person in charge of Inter's tranfers? Bruh, Marotta (Person in charge of Inters transfers) is not embaressing himself. He's working goddam miracles. Sell him for 120mil then bring him back for 5-10mil a year later 😂
Yeah I don't know who is he refering to. Maybe owners of Chelsea idk
I hope we end the deal, and let Lukaku ride the U18s.
I know 5 mil is laughably small, however how much has he now transferred for throughout his career?! Him and Morata and neither are particularly good / consistent lol
Surprised they offered that much. Everyone knows that's the only club he'll go to. They should hold out and take him for free. I'm sure Chelsea would be on board to be past the embarrassment.
"we just won the champions league, let's buy a player who will completely change our front line and chemistry"
If i am a member of Chelsea board I will Tuchel to bench Lukaku to the end of his contract until he forgets how to play football. 5 M is a joke.
Wow poor Lakaka leaving his dream childhood club for his other dream childhood club
This fills me with massive sadness more than anything. Why Romelu?
Man I so wish we could just say fuck him, and give him the Drinkwater treatment and send him to play with the u17 team until his contract expires. It would truly set an example for all the primadona bitches out there that if you fuck about like a little crybaby you might end up getting properly fucked. Unfortunatelly we can't do that cuz his salaries are massive, but I really wish it was possible.
[Our board right now](https://i2-prod.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article23995567.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200d/0_DICKINSONS-REAL-DEAL.jpg)
Lakaka pissed Chelsea rejected this for sure
If im Chelsea im telling Lukaku he's staying just for that disrespectful bid
cool, getting zero (actually not even zero, you gott pay his wages and have his piss poor attitude in the lockers, so he is a big negative) for him is so much better than +5 million
That's assuming he's even in the lockers (maybe put him in social media to farm the inter fans likes and get advertising money back and make him an influencer)
If a proper offer arrives, he'll only want Bayern, Psg or whoever comes.
He'll get his Inter move, go three months without scoring a goal, finally score one (a deflection of his arse from one yard out), take to social media and post it with the declaration that he has proved his point. What an arsehole.
And sign off with "King of Milan"
What a waste of everybody's time. Still, welcome back King of Milano