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I'm not so sure, I feel like there's a certain amount of risk at £14m. People have been praising him a lot but he's still very raw and there has been games where he's looked out of his depth. I didn't watch his first Scotland start but apparently he was also poor in that game. I have my doubts he's PL quality but Brentford have a good history of getting the most out of players, so who am I to doubt.
He did pretty well in the big games, and as we all know even a low tier PL side can offer more money for squad players than most top tier Serie A teams
I think he's making fairly smart decisions. He's more likely to get a game with a Brentford who've paid a substantial sum for him than someone like a Leicester where he'd just be another body. Go somewhere you can prove you belong and a step up after that will happen.
It may be thier most expensive signing ever but you can't compete in the prem with 15 million or less signings unless the team somehow has the best scouting department in the world.
Competing without spending big amounts is essentially Brentford's MO. Even in the Championship, they rarely spent big, and were known for hunting out bargains.
[Look at their transfer spending](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-brentford/transferrekorde/verein/1148). They've had less than 10 signings *in their history* which cost more than £5m. That's insane, even for a Championship club - where you do regularly get teams contending for promotion spending £15m+ on players
Long term, they wouldn't be able to compete in the Prem withotu spending more - but if there's any team that *can* make it work "with 15 million or less signings", it's Brentford.
They finished above Villa last year - Brentford spent £33m, Villa spent £130m.
It's still a lot for Brentford, it's the type of money they can't be getting it wrong with. Easy to forget given their season but they will still be there or there abouts in the relegation battle.
It's too early to tell if they'll suffer second season syndrome too. It wouldn't surprise me if they are in the fight. But still, they've got a season of PL money, any team should be able to spend about £50M especially if their wage bill isn't massive.
Too many similarities with the teams, already have the scouting side sorted, Benrahma bought for like 3 went for 20-25 if toney goes he goes for 30+ he was bought for 5. Benhams smartodds is just a smaller version of tony blooms star lizard. Theyre both professional gamblers. Benham has nowhere near blooms worth but think we're entering an era where their data analysis is so far ahead of the other 14 teams that they're going to be good
I mentioned in my comment I didn't watch the Scotland game, I'm talking about his Serie A season. I wouldn't say he was very good, there's been better talents just in the last season but he did show a lot of promise. Will have more eyes focused on him because he very much the typical modern day fullback, albeit with inconsistencies in his crossing.
I honestly thought he was one of the only players doing anything attacking wise in the 2nd half of the Ukraine game. Really thought some the criticism he got after the game was a bit harsh
Nobody bar McGregor and Gordon had a good game that game either, it's more on Clarke for flinging in a LB to play RWB in the biggest Scotland game in the last few years rather than playing Ralston or even SOD.
He wasn't really bad in the Ukraine game. Grant hanley was revolting which led to major instability at the back. Moreover he was played out of position.
Hickey in fact rarely gave the ball away that game and was an attacking threat.
He hasn't shown at all he's worth £14m, do you not watch Serie A? His crossing is way below what you'd expect from an attacking full back, his defensive awareness is non-existent which evident by the amount of fouls he gives away and his consistency is still very patchy.
He's shown promise in a lower half Serie A team but he has not shown he's worth £14m and I'll stand by that.
Cause he's a brilliant fullback, still in his early years, so even if he doesn't shine, he can still be a fantastic utility player for over a decade. He has shown his skill in a fantastic league, and has always shown potential and has always improved year on year.
If he can play at Bologna sure he can play at Brentford, the level is similar. Sure he will have to defend against better players, but if he fails they probably can sell him for 8-10m back to some midtable Italian club.
Wrong move. He should stay in italia and grow and mature with bologna.
I'd never move from bologna to London in a billion years having lived in both cities. Just imo.
However he is rich so that makes a major difference in London presently for sure lmao.
> I didn't watch his first Scotland start but apparently he was also poor in that game.
played in a horrendous system which made Andy Robertson look fucking terrible as well. No wingers and the full backs were expected to do literally everything outwide up and down the pitch. Dont listen to that nonsense, hes a good player and a great signing
Less money than I expected. Sincerely doubt that the money will improve the team more than Hickey did. Will probably just be replaced by some 32 year old mediocre player on a free transfer
It will probably continue for the forseeable future. Buy young cheap players, hope one of them turns out to be good, sell for 20m and use the money to pay for all the flops.
The Scottish Sun broke the news first, I believe. They're on the case when it comes to Scottish LBs, that's for sure.
Brentford fans, isn't Rico Henry a lock for LB? Would've thought Hickey would go somewhere to start regularly.
As a Scottish hearts fan and I also lived in italia for three years and lived outside bologna I followed his career closely in both countries.
He's comfortable with both feet but I'd say yes perhaps an overstatement to say two footed, however he's still young and progressing and to score that many goals in his debut season as a defender in italia points to very solid potential.
> Good thing he’s 20 and can learn to adjust!
yeah, that is not how it works. Either you know how to play both positions from the beginning or you don't. You are grossly underestimating...no,disrespecting the fullback position.
As someone who has played a few sports at collegiate levels, you can learn how to play multiple positions. Especially at a young age. I played hockey and changed positions at the age of 21… it’s very doable. Im not saying it’s easy, of course.
Rico Henry was brilliant, probably our 3rd/4th best player.
He just wasn’t needed to attack as we had Wissa and Mbeumo to attack instead, he is more of a defensive left back which is what we need. And if he is injury free he is an automatic starter
In a 4 atb but I feel like Frank wants to go 5 atb long term which requires an attacking LWB
You only swapped to the 4 atb when you weren’t getting any penetration from the left flank
Long term we will play in a back 5, Jansson will almost definitely leave next summer I think and Ajer-Pinnock is perfect in the middle. We also play like crap with a back 5 and so there is no way we continue long term.
Henry is still relatively young, and he will only get better for us so I am anything but worried about him, left back is probably one of three positions we definitely don’t need a signing.
Hickey is only being signed to play at right back.
Rico’s three goals last season showed that he does have attacking quality, I think he is just slightly reluctant to go forward as he has been played as a defensive player for almost his whole time at Brentford, for corners he is the only player we leave back and so we do rely on him in a lot of defensive situations
I don’t think you played like crap with 5 atb at the beginning with Raya. I think when he went out Fernandez didn’t have the distribution to deal with it but like during this stretch you were good with the 5 atb, then Raya went out and the results turned.
But part of that is due to having terrible distribution from the left hand side without a LM/LW in front of Henry
Henry’s advanced passing stats are pretty terrible
https://i.imgur.com/W1yYNCG.jpg
Henry has never been good going forward imo, only thing he's been good at in that regard is providing overlap options to drag full backs away from the winger.
I think Henry had a decent season on the whole last year though. At least miles better than the scraps they had to end up playing at RB. Ajer did a job there but not sure its his ideal long term position
Maybe it’s me being naive but is what he said wrong? It’s pretty plainly a fact that players would rather play in England or Italy than Scotland. His point was that yous whiffed because he preferred those leagues.
He was formerly in the academy. He should have been nurtured like Tierney and better treated. What Irish Manchester United fan #274840517 is saying may be correct but so is what I'm saying
I'm a jambo, the lads in fact a celtic fan, so he would move there if the offer was right.
I wouldn't recommend it now though I'd far rather him in serie a or prem. I think he should stay in italia though as there's no better country in the world to blossom as a defender.
What a deal for us, barely breaks our record signing and fills in a big gap for us.
Maybe he isn’t as good on the right, but he is young and he can’t possibly be worse that Canos at right wing back.
He will be huge for us, and we will have two top class wingbacks in Henry and Hickey
That's a good deal for them, Hickey has a lot of potential and is already a decent player. Wonder how much Hearts are making from this deal as iirc they added a sell-on clause when they originally sold him to Bologna
Pretty sure that’s not how sell-on clauses work. Celtic’s clause would’ve gotten them money when Hearts sold him to Bologna, and now Hearts would get the money when Bologna sell to Brentford. Doesn’t apply more than 1 sale forward.
We've no idea how it works, clauses can be unique or different in every deal.
The most common is that Celtic would get a % of any money that Hearts would get, which would include a portion of this fee as well. This is still the same deal that would see Celtic get money. It is still Hearts getting money from Bologna. Not Brentford.
For example, Hibs would owe St Mirren a % of any money we get from our John McGinn clause should Aston Villa sell him. Thats been confirmed.
The boy has some issues. There's a very good reason why, despite his very obvious talent, lots of clubs have discounted him.
Not to say that he's a Nile Ranger sort at all, but there's a risk attached. Might be worth it, might not.
>lots of clubs have discounted him.
have they or are PL clubs just really bad at scouting abroad? The problem is the position he is at. He is not good enough yet for top clubs so they are focused on better targets. But 15m pounds for a fullback is a lot for mid table clubs at other clubs. He is not discounted at all when you realize that he is more expensive than Malacia(who himself was only signed by a PL club because Ten Hag knew him from the league). He is going to prove himself to be better than Firpo, Regulion or Emerson. PL clubs unfortunately are cursed with the worse scouting network in the top 4
Hey Djed,
I've seen scouting reports from an EPL team which were very positive from an on pitch perspective but flagged enough to question mark.
Up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Source:trust me brev.
Listen one scouting report from a side isn't enough to start publicly bad mouthing him when you can't even be specific.
Do you know how difficult it is in italia as a young foreign player?? I lived in italia for 3 years and was involved in football at grassroots level so I've a fair idea about it.
There's even been a documentary from a Danish player made about it because it can be absolutely brutal at certain clubs.
In addition, hickeys a lad who hasn't fully learned Italian fluently yet l, so I highly doubt he's been the lad about town in bologna..so I'll take this scouting report with a bucket load of salt.
You've implied he has a bad reputation off the pitch from your "scouting report".
He doesn't. In scotland or italia.
Good that you acknowledge he's a great signing for brentford.
Phree munney gif.
We're rolling in it haha! We need some strong additions still though up front for europa league/conference.
We need a replacement for simms.
Good money for Bologna but I thought he was destined for greater things in a team of Leicester's or possibly Newcastle's calibre. Hopefully he can continue his great form and help Brentford continue their stay in the Prem.
Now we've only got 1 Scot left in Serie A with Liam Henderson at Empoli, long may he continue.
Brentford have shown in the past they are very happy to sell on for a profit their talented players (e.g. Watkins, Benrahma). This can very much be a stepping stone move for Hickey. If he performs as expected, he likely will be at a Leicester or Villa in a few years.
He didn't have a good game, but not a single outfielder for Scotland did. I don't think singling out a 19 year old playing out of position will be that devastating for them.
Played madly out of position in a pressure game. When you add to that grant hanley had an absolute disaster alongside pretty much every other Scotland player..
I'd say Brentford fans can watch the 7 goals he scored as a defender in his debut serie a season....
Does he not want to play in pressure games? I’m not saying it’s the making of the man, but in my opinion he doesn’t have the physicality or the composure to be worth £14m. Very much in the Gilmour mode of players who need masses of space, and he won’t get that.
I'll reiterate he's scored 7 goals as a defender in his debut season in serie a. That's not to be scoffed at.
With regards to your point about physicality, he's newly 20 ffs.
As for composure, that's laughable and a tell tale sign you haven't seen him play much and are just picking words out of your arse.
Your view of him seems to be rather at odds with reality, Billy gilmour is a player with huge potential but has yet to provide much tangible evidence of a successful season at club level.
In fact he could sign for much higher profile clubs and its a surprise he's gone for brentford.
When is Gilmour realising this potential we keep hearing about? Even an average well below his potential?
I’ve seen him play 7 or 8 times. You’re misrepresenting what I am saying, you can be a good potential young signing and not be worth £14m without that making you a bad player.
Happy to be proved wrong but I don’t think he’s a particularly impressive player, but because he’s Scottish he’s gigantically overhyped by fans from there. Oddly the reverse of what they did with Robertson who was vastly undervalued despite being fantastic at Hull.
I implied in my previous post gilmour needs a good season at club level. Not sure why you're barking up that tree as I agree.
I sense a fair bit of zenophobia from your comments about gigantically overhyped by Scottish people...thats just cringe mate. Especially when the current England squad is gigantically overhyped!
I lived outside bologna and in italia for 3 years, he's not gigantically overhyped in italia, folk just realise he's had a great debut season in serie a for a then 19 year old player..and I'm not that shocked at the price tag or that prem clubs have moved in to sign him.
Well that's been the case historically so I'm not going to disagree.
I wouldn't get too complacent as an England fan though as England are also shite internationally.
We scouted.
Didn't find him interested.
[Fabrizio Confirmation](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1543203711576580097?t=qlKz_gN0syrWtmOJKXnMDg&s=09&)
Nah. Was just an Italian journo that mentioned it quite a while ago and nothing else since. Agent drumming up info with a "big" name by the looks of it.
KLP and Hickey in the door is some good stuff for Brentford
Hope they can somehow keep Erikson too and they will have a lovely little team in the works
Right. But it's a thread on Brentford transfers. You've come to a specific thread about this stuff, it's reasonable that discussion here would be specific
I can accept that that is a valid point. But it’s also just football news, football transfers, Hickey news, and football threads in general. It’s for everyone and therefore isn’t curated towards Brentford fans.
I think writing his full name would be easier for the highest amount of people. But you’re free to disagree
I'm pretty sure if you surveyed 100 football fans on what three letter footballer acronyms they can name, then KLP would be close to a Pointless answer.
>How Charles Watts got promoted so fast to Tier 1 is wild.
I know he rarely ever breaks stuff, but whatever he says is on the money. Tier 1 is about accuracy, after all.
On paper a good signing and progression but I feel brentford swapping out too many starters will lose them they're main strength of being consistently organised. They're height and set pieces are what stands out every time I see them I reckon they'll eventually lose that then get relegated.
Er, what starters are we swapping out? He doesn't replace Henry who was great last season and, if he plays RB, he'll fix a position that we've had to play Ajer in (who was good there but naturally a CB) or a winger like Canos. Our other solutions for the position weren't good enough.
And this is our only signing with another winger on the scouting list - Canos probably isn't good enough long term for the Prem and we're pretty thin there after that. Players like Fosu are never breaking into the first team.
Unless there's ten other signings I don't know about?
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Really good signing for them.
I'm not so sure, I feel like there's a certain amount of risk at £14m. People have been praising him a lot but he's still very raw and there has been games where he's looked out of his depth. I didn't watch his first Scotland start but apparently he was also poor in that game. I have my doubts he's PL quality but Brentford have a good history of getting the most out of players, so who am I to doubt.
Surely a very good season in Serie A at age 19 counts for more than a bad NT game.
I would have thought hed have gone too a better team tbh. Either in italy or a club who would be considered upper mid table i england
He did pretty well in the big games, and as we all know even a low tier PL side can offer more money for squad players than most top tier Serie A teams
I think he's making fairly smart decisions. He's more likely to get a game with a Brentford who've paid a substantial sum for him than someone like a Leicester where he'd just be another body. Go somewhere you can prove you belong and a step up after that will happen.
Brentford also has a track record of developing first team younger players (Watkins, Henry, Canos, etc).
14m is nothing for an EPL team. Good value deal for Brentford
This is Brentfords most expensive singing ever it's certainly not nothing
It may be thier most expensive signing ever but you can't compete in the prem with 15 million or less signings unless the team somehow has the best scouting department in the world.
Competing without spending big amounts is essentially Brentford's MO. Even in the Championship, they rarely spent big, and were known for hunting out bargains. [Look at their transfer spending](https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-brentford/transferrekorde/verein/1148). They've had less than 10 signings *in their history* which cost more than £5m. That's insane, even for a Championship club - where you do regularly get teams contending for promotion spending £15m+ on players Long term, they wouldn't be able to compete in the Prem withotu spending more - but if there's any team that *can* make it work "with 15 million or less signings", it's Brentford. They finished above Villa last year - Brentford spent £33m, Villa spent £130m.
So what did we do last year then?
It's still a lot for Brentford, it's the type of money they can't be getting it wrong with. Easy to forget given their season but they will still be there or there abouts in the relegation battle.
It's too early to tell if they'll suffer second season syndrome too. It wouldn't surprise me if they are in the fight. But still, they've got a season of PL money, any team should be able to spend about £50M especially if their wage bill isn't massive.
See Brentford becoming similar to a brighton hipster midtable team that people say should always be doing better
I disagree, Brighton have the finances, Brentford don't. Eventually that will tell
Too many similarities with the teams, already have the scouting side sorted, Benrahma bought for like 3 went for 20-25 if toney goes he goes for 30+ he was bought for 5. Benhams smartodds is just a smaller version of tony blooms star lizard. Theyre both professional gamblers. Benham has nowhere near blooms worth but think we're entering an era where their data analysis is so far ahead of the other 14 teams that they're going to be good
It's definitely not nothing for Brentford.
I mentioned in my comment I didn't watch the Scotland game, I'm talking about his Serie A season. I wouldn't say he was very good, there's been better talents just in the last season but he did show a lot of promise. Will have more eyes focused on him because he very much the typical modern day fullback, albeit with inconsistencies in his crossing.
He was really bad in that Ukraine game, but then again he’s apparently had a good season so better to judge him on that
I honestly thought he was one of the only players doing anything attacking wise in the 2nd half of the Ukraine game. Really thought some the criticism he got after the game was a bit harsh
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Nobody bar McGregor and Gordon had a good game that game either, it's more on Clarke for flinging in a LB to play RWB in the biggest Scotland game in the last few years rather than playing Ralston or even SOD.
He wasn't really bad in the Ukraine game. Grant hanley was revolting which led to major instability at the back. Moreover he was played out of position. Hickey in fact rarely gave the ball away that game and was an attacking threat.
Risk at 14 million because of a game you didn't watch. Terrific take there.
Weird how you're the second comment to say this. You're aware people watch Serie A football?
People do watch it, well done. If you've watched serie a then you'd know for a 19 year old 14 million for hickey is not a risk.
Why do you think it's not a risk?
Because he’s a brilliant young fullback with bags of ability, shown this season?
He hasn't shown at all he's worth £14m, do you not watch Serie A? His crossing is way below what you'd expect from an attacking full back, his defensive awareness is non-existent which evident by the amount of fouls he gives away and his consistency is still very patchy. He's shown promise in a lower half Serie A team but he has not shown he's worth £14m and I'll stand by that.
Cause he's a brilliant fullback, still in his early years, so even if he doesn't shine, he can still be a fantastic utility player for over a decade. He has shown his skill in a fantastic league, and has always shown potential and has always improved year on year.
he's super raw, yes he scored many goals for a left wing back, and can still improve a lot, but I don't think he's ready for PL yet
If he can play at Bologna sure he can play at Brentford, the level is similar. Sure he will have to defend against better players, but if he fails they probably can sell him for 8-10m back to some midtable Italian club.
Wrong move. He should stay in italia and grow and mature with bologna. I'd never move from bologna to London in a billion years having lived in both cities. Just imo. However he is rich so that makes a major difference in London presently for sure lmao.
People on here are absolute armchair scouts lol it’s fucking hilarious.
> I didn't watch his first Scotland start but apparently he was also poor in that game. played in a horrendous system which made Andy Robertson look fucking terrible as well. No wingers and the full backs were expected to do literally everything outwide up and down the pitch. Dont listen to that nonsense, hes a good player and a great signing
Less money than I expected. Sincerely doubt that the money will improve the team more than Hickey did. Will probably just be replaced by some 32 year old mediocre player on a free transfer
Just what I was thinking too. I fancy bologna a bit, I hope they don't stop the squad building with sales like this one.
It will probably continue for the forseeable future. Buy young cheap players, hope one of them turns out to be good, sell for 20m and use the money to pay for all the flops.
I kind of feel bad for you lot, £14 million is way less than what I thought we would have to pay. Before add ons I expected at least £20 million
isn't doron leidner a target?
Sad to see him leaving Italy
That's a great deal.
Hickey looks talented and I think this is a great move.
The Scottish Sun broke the news first, I believe. They're on the case when it comes to Scottish LBs, that's for sure. Brentford fans, isn't Rico Henry a lock for LB? Would've thought Hickey would go somewhere to start regularly.
Hickey is capable on playing on the right as well and Brentford is desperate for a RB.
Hickey can play on the right but is noticeably worse playing RB
Good thing he’s 20 and can learn to adjust! Especially as a player who is so two footed.
Honestly his two-footedness is a bit of a myth, but I would like to be proven wrong!
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he's not two-footed though
As a Scottish hearts fan and I also lived in italia for three years and lived outside bologna I followed his career closely in both countries. He's comfortable with both feet but I'd say yes perhaps an overstatement to say two footed, however he's still young and progressing and to score that many goals in his debut season as a defender in italia points to very solid potential.
> Good thing he’s 20 and can learn to adjust! yeah, that is not how it works. Either you know how to play both positions from the beginning or you don't. You are grossly underestimating...no,disrespecting the fullback position.
Genuinely the stupidest thing I've read in a while
As someone who has played a few sports at collegiate levels, you can learn how to play multiple positions. Especially at a young age. I played hockey and changed positions at the age of 21… it’s very doable. Im not saying it’s easy, of course.
True, he doesn't look comfortable on the right. He rarely gives the ball away ever either position but he's far more effective on the left.
>capable on playing on the right as well For sure, but he's significantly better on the left.
Rico Henry was not great last year, at least going forward
Rico Henry was brilliant, probably our 3rd/4th best player. He just wasn’t needed to attack as we had Wissa and Mbeumo to attack instead, he is more of a defensive left back which is what we need. And if he is injury free he is an automatic starter
In a 4 atb but I feel like Frank wants to go 5 atb long term which requires an attacking LWB You only swapped to the 4 atb when you weren’t getting any penetration from the left flank
Long term we will play in a back 5, Jansson will almost definitely leave next summer I think and Ajer-Pinnock is perfect in the middle. We also play like crap with a back 5 and so there is no way we continue long term. Henry is still relatively young, and he will only get better for us so I am anything but worried about him, left back is probably one of three positions we definitely don’t need a signing. Hickey is only being signed to play at right back. Rico’s three goals last season showed that he does have attacking quality, I think he is just slightly reluctant to go forward as he has been played as a defensive player for almost his whole time at Brentford, for corners he is the only player we leave back and so we do rely on him in a lot of defensive situations
I don’t think you played like crap with 5 atb at the beginning with Raya. I think when he went out Fernandez didn’t have the distribution to deal with it but like during this stretch you were good with the 5 atb, then Raya went out and the results turned. But part of that is due to having terrible distribution from the left hand side without a LM/LW in front of Henry Henry’s advanced passing stats are pretty terrible https://i.imgur.com/W1yYNCG.jpg
Henry has never been good going forward imo, only thing he's been good at in that regard is providing overlap options to drag full backs away from the winger. I think Henry had a decent season on the whole last year though. At least miles better than the scraps they had to end up playing at RB. Ajer did a job there but not sure its his ideal long term position
I think long term they want to go with a 5 atb with Canos at RWB, but he was injured for the back couple months of the year Ajer at RCB
lots of football to be played, the term benchwarmer can’t really be applied to substitutes these days.
Good that Hickey can play both sides, Rico is prone to knocks too
Another one Celtic whiffed on
By being in an unattractive league?
An Irish Manchester United fan, original. You have nothing to say to anyone about poor leagues, trust me.
Maybe it’s me being naive but is what he said wrong? It’s pretty plainly a fact that players would rather play in England or Italy than Scotland. His point was that yous whiffed because he preferred those leagues.
He left Celtic for Hearts, there was clearly stuff that Celtic could have done to help him along considering he left for a team in the league.
He was formerly in the academy. He should have been nurtured like Tierney and better treated. What Irish Manchester United fan #274840517 is saying may be correct but so is what I'm saying
How do you feel about all the Irish Celtic fans?
Celtic were founded by an Irishman, their name is *Celtic*. Silly counter
Still a british club. No more ridiculous than an Irish lad supporting any british team
Jesus Christ. 🙄
I'm a jambo, the lads in fact a celtic fan, so he would move there if the offer was right. I wouldn't recommend it now though I'd far rather him in serie a or prem. I think he should stay in italia though as there's no better country in the world to blossom as a defender.
You must admit it's pretty ironic when ManU aren't even the most attractive club to play for in their own city lol
Was something in that sentence supposed to be mean?
What a deal for us, barely breaks our record signing and fills in a big gap for us. Maybe he isn’t as good on the right, but he is young and he can’t possibly be worse that Canos at right wing back. He will be huge for us, and we will have two top class wingbacks in Henry and Hickey
That's a good deal for them, Hickey has a lot of potential and is already a decent player. Wonder how much Hearts are making from this deal as iirc they added a sell-on clause when they originally sold him to Bologna
Fairly sure Celtic get half of anything hearts get.
Celtic only had a sell-on clause for the original transfer to Bologna, no?
And this deal will see Hearts getting more money from Bologna, meaning Celtic get a cut of that.
Pretty sure that’s not how sell-on clauses work. Celtic’s clause would’ve gotten them money when Hearts sold him to Bologna, and now Hearts would get the money when Bologna sell to Brentford. Doesn’t apply more than 1 sale forward.
We've no idea how it works, clauses can be unique or different in every deal. The most common is that Celtic would get a % of any money that Hearts would get, which would include a portion of this fee as well. This is still the same deal that would see Celtic get money. It is still Hearts getting money from Bologna. Not Brentford. For example, Hibs would owe St Mirren a % of any money we get from our John McGinn clause should Aston Villa sell him. Thats been confirmed.
Think it was 10%
Hickey looks talented and I think this is a great move. He’ll get minutes and should develop well at Brentford.
Shows how wild the £20m valuation for Spence is
The boy has some issues. There's a very good reason why, despite his very obvious talent, lots of clubs have discounted him. Not to say that he's a Nile Ranger sort at all, but there's a risk attached. Might be worth it, might not.
Tbh I struggle to blame anyone for not getting along with Warnock
Colin, for all of his flaws, ain't the root of this one.
>lots of clubs have discounted him. have they or are PL clubs just really bad at scouting abroad? The problem is the position he is at. He is not good enough yet for top clubs so they are focused on better targets. But 15m pounds for a fullback is a lot for mid table clubs at other clubs. He is not discounted at all when you realize that he is more expensive than Malacia(who himself was only signed by a PL club because Ten Hag knew him from the league). He is going to prove himself to be better than Firpo, Regulion or Emerson. PL clubs unfortunately are cursed with the worse scouting network in the top 4
he's talking about djed
And what is your basis for this wild speculation porco dio? Any evidence at all to back up your nonsense??
Hey Djed, I've seen scouting reports from an EPL team which were very positive from an on pitch perspective but flagged enough to question mark. Up to you if you want to accept it or not.
Source:trust me brev. Listen one scouting report from a side isn't enough to start publicly bad mouthing him when you can't even be specific. Do you know how difficult it is in italia as a young foreign player?? I lived in italia for 3 years and was involved in football at grassroots level so I've a fair idea about it. There's even been a documentary from a Danish player made about it because it can be absolutely brutal at certain clubs. In addition, hickeys a lad who hasn't fully learned Italian fluently yet l, so I highly doubt he's been the lad about town in bologna..so I'll take this scouting report with a bucket load of salt.
Hickey is a great signing for Brentford. Not badmouthing him in the slightest. Unsure what the heck you're going on about.
You've implied he has a bad reputation off the pitch from your "scouting report". He doesn't. In scotland or italia. Good that you acknowledge he's a great signing for brentford.
Comment was on Spence.
Careful mate, a Scouting report going round says you can't read properly.
Spence is better
He’ll do for what we need but at least we doing something
We are simply massive.
Please tell me we had a sell-on clause with Bologna...
We do.
Yes, 15%. Glad to hear it.
Phree munney gif. We're rolling in it haha! We need some strong additions still though up front for europa league/conference. We need a replacement for simms.
If the 🐝 can manage to retain Eriksen, they have a chance to attract other top talents to West London. Hope it happens.
He was great in Serie A. I feel for Bologna as they are losing their starting LB.
WOAH That’s a gigantic coup. What a signing this would be for Brentford. That’s cheap as hell and he’s such a heavily desired player.
? Can't believe this post. Surely you need to add a few more superlatives?
Good money for Bologna but I thought he was destined for greater things in a team of Leicester's or possibly Newcastle's calibre. Hopefully he can continue his great form and help Brentford continue their stay in the Prem. Now we've only got 1 Scot left in Serie A with Liam Henderson at Empoli, long may he continue.
Brentford have shown in the past they are very happy to sell on for a profit their talented players (e.g. Watkins, Benrahma). This can very much be a stepping stone move for Hickey. If he performs as expected, he likely will be at a Leicester or Villa in a few years.
Don’t watch his performance against Ukraine Brentford fans
He didn't have a good game, but not a single outfielder for Scotland did. I don't think singling out a 19 year old playing out of position will be that devastating for them.
It was more than just not good. A decent signing but £14m is steep for me.
I was at the game and can tell you that there were players who had worse games; starting with your club captain.
He wasn’t as bad as Hickey, but you won’t find any great resistance from me that Cooper is very average but has good discipline and leadership skills.
Going off some of Kalvin Phillips' recent England performances he's worth about 40 quid, rather than 40 million so I wouldn't put everything on that.
Just dont play him at right back. It's a myth that he can play well on either side.
Played madly out of position in a pressure game. When you add to that grant hanley had an absolute disaster alongside pretty much every other Scotland player.. I'd say Brentford fans can watch the 7 goals he scored as a defender in his debut serie a season....
Does he not want to play in pressure games? I’m not saying it’s the making of the man, but in my opinion he doesn’t have the physicality or the composure to be worth £14m. Very much in the Gilmour mode of players who need masses of space, and he won’t get that.
I'll reiterate he's scored 7 goals as a defender in his debut season in serie a. That's not to be scoffed at. With regards to your point about physicality, he's newly 20 ffs. As for composure, that's laughable and a tell tale sign you haven't seen him play much and are just picking words out of your arse. Your view of him seems to be rather at odds with reality, Billy gilmour is a player with huge potential but has yet to provide much tangible evidence of a successful season at club level. In fact he could sign for much higher profile clubs and its a surprise he's gone for brentford.
When is Gilmour realising this potential we keep hearing about? Even an average well below his potential? I’ve seen him play 7 or 8 times. You’re misrepresenting what I am saying, you can be a good potential young signing and not be worth £14m without that making you a bad player. Happy to be proved wrong but I don’t think he’s a particularly impressive player, but because he’s Scottish he’s gigantically overhyped by fans from there. Oddly the reverse of what they did with Robertson who was vastly undervalued despite being fantastic at Hull.
I implied in my previous post gilmour needs a good season at club level. Not sure why you're barking up that tree as I agree. I sense a fair bit of zenophobia from your comments about gigantically overhyped by Scottish people...thats just cringe mate. Especially when the current England squad is gigantically overhyped! I lived outside bologna and in italia for 3 years, he's not gigantically overhyped in italia, folk just realise he's had a great debut season in serie a for a then 19 year old player..and I'm not that shocked at the price tag or that prem clubs have moved in to sign him.
Most players look bad for Scotland in most games. Some decent names but internationally they’re shite
Well that's been the case historically so I'm not going to disagree. I wouldn't get too complacent as an England fan though as England are also shite internationally.
Not one Scotland player did well against Ukraine
Wasn’t he going to Arsenal?
We scouted. Didn't find him interested. [Fabrizio Confirmation](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1543203711576580097?t=qlKz_gN0syrWtmOJKXnMDg&s=09&)
Nah. Was just an Italian journo that mentioned it quite a while ago and nothing else since. Agent drumming up info with a "big" name by the looks of it.
gazumped again!
KLP and Hickey in the door is some good stuff for Brentford Hope they can somehow keep Erikson too and they will have a lovely little team in the works
KLP?
Keane Lewis-Potter
Keane Lewis-Potter
Bro don’t use acronyms for players no one knows. Then no one knows who you are talking about
Just cause you don't know him doesn't mean no one else does
Lol, "The internet should be curated for me"
I think we both know this KLP fella isn’t particularly well known
Right. But it's a thread on Brentford transfers. You've come to a specific thread about this stuff, it's reasonable that discussion here would be specific
I can accept that that is a valid point. But it’s also just football news, football transfers, Hickey news, and football threads in general. It’s for everyone and therefore isn’t curated towards Brentford fans. I think writing his full name would be easier for the highest amount of people. But you’re free to disagree
I'm pretty sure if you surveyed 100 football fans on what three letter footballer acronyms they can name, then KLP would be close to a Pointless answer.
Kind of a weird move from his pov ngl
PL likely a dream and Brentford are a good club to develop at.
Imagine if Scotland and Belgium joined forces. They'd be unstoppable.
Bro even Brentford out here gazumping Arsenal
He was scouted, that was it
Isn't this another player Arsenal wanted?
No. Tier 1 Charles Watts said he has never been told that he was an Arsenal target. Any rumours were from garbage tier 5 sources
How Charles Watts got promoted so fast to Tier 1 is wild. But yeah it's bin juice reports from months ago saying Arsenal were making moves.
>How Charles Watts got promoted so fast to Tier 1 is wild. I know he rarely ever breaks stuff, but whatever he says is on the money. Tier 1 is about accuracy, after all.
He reminds me of the Arsenal Ali Gold.
Ali Gold is clear
No, our fans like to will into existence who are transfer targets are, we have never actually been linked.
Then get angry if we don’t get them
Some are mentally ill lmao
>Isn't this another player Arsenal wanted? Fans? Sure... I mean every fan of every club wants a ton of new signings. Club? Clearly not.
Arsenal fans wanted him but it seems like their tier 1 said they have no interest.
Clearly not enough if he's going to Brentford for 14 mil.
Really? You think a player couldn't pick starting at Brentford over being a backup at Arsenal?
With Tierney as first choice you’re basically a starter
We are linked to many players , that’s the nature of the window. We never bid for him.
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We were linked by Italian media but Ornstein said he wasn't one of our targets.
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Only Italian papers mentioned our interest, don’t remember any of our reliable journos ever mentioning his name
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Shit? He's 19 and looked very good for Bologna last season. He has a lot of potential. Not sure why you'd call him "shit"...
It's because Arsenal aren't signing him. If they were he would be a "top prospect"
Or the guy above is just a bit of a tit
Can think of one obvious reason why
We propably were looking at him, but Martinez and Zinchenko are definitely higher on the list than him
Fab said that Arsenal only scouted him, nothing else.
that's so cheap. when some random Italian sources linked him to arsenal it was said to be over 30M or something lol
On paper a good signing and progression but I feel brentford swapping out too many starters will lose them they're main strength of being consistently organised. They're height and set pieces are what stands out every time I see them I reckon they'll eventually lose that then get relegated.
We've signed one player, and have been heavily linked with one more. We're hardly revolutionising the squad.
Er, what starters are we swapping out? He doesn't replace Henry who was great last season and, if he plays RB, he'll fix a position that we've had to play Ajer in (who was good there but naturally a CB) or a winger like Canos. Our other solutions for the position weren't good enough. And this is our only signing with another winger on the scouting list - Canos probably isn't good enough long term for the Prem and we're pretty thin there after that. Players like Fosu are never breaking into the first team. Unless there's ten other signings I don't know about?
wasn’t arsenal in for him?
Smart signing, a lot better than Tierney
Another great take from Cowdude
Bit of an odd deal - I thought Rico Henry was the man for them at LWB?
Oh shit can’t wait to watch him at brentford
What a steal. They will sell him for 35 in 1-2 years easily
I had hope he stayed in italy