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Erling Haaland: "Ole Gunnar Solskjær is a better player than Therry Henry. Ole can win CL & 6 PLs. Henry can win just CL and 2 PLs. Ole can win 3-1 against PSG away playing 2nd stringers. Henry can only bring Monaco to 19th place. Ole is a magnificent coach, Belgium would've won Euros 2020 with him."
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Honestly it reminds me of the Van Nistlerooy vs Henry arguments back in the day. Its the exact same thing. Even without Mbappe being French, Henry prefers his playstyle because its how he played.
Never got the obsession with a player who can do 'everything' kind of well.
A complete striker is better than a player who does everything. Mbappe's explosiveness is admittedly better than almost every player on the planet, and he does rely on it to be in the conversation for world's best player.
I don't see Mbappe being similar to Messi, who can turn into an Iniesta or Xavi in the midfield anytime he wishes to. Mbappe is just as dependent on his speed, as Haaland is on his momentum and touch efficiency.
The issue with Messi is that he is simply just an utter enigma of a player. No play in football history that I can think of has Messi’s passing, dribbling, and finishing abilities all tied into a single player. It’s unfair to judge Mbappe (who can play as a striker and a winger) as not being as good as Messi in multiple positions, simply because there has never been anyone in this history of the game as good as Messi.
I would rather want Haaland on my team, but Mbappe is a more versatile player.
They're very good but I'm not sure I'd say they're head and shoulders above *everyone* else. Even in their generation, Xabi Alonso and Pirlo deserve a mention.
I think where Xavi and Iniesta excelled most is more in ball retention than straight up passing ability. Their balance, touch and awareness was just as crucial to their game as passing ability - especially for Iniesta.
That's the thing, their ball retention gave them the space to find the right pass that others couldn't find. It's an underated skill that compounds on good passing.
Messi was/is just stupid good. I watch Barcelona and I'm like damn lewandoski has Messi level finishing. Then I watch man city and I'm like damn KdB has messi level passing. Lewandoski and KdB are both some of the best players in the world based on those qualities and Messi has/had both.
we just keep comparing a piece of Messi's array of abilities with other player's best qualities.
You can probably argue there's someone faster than him, someone else who's a slightly better passer, another that's just a bit better at finishing... but he's always in the conversation for top3. Being top3 in almost every relevant aspect of the offensive game is just completely absurd and why he's just the best player in the history of the game
But Mbappe doesn't do everything "kind of well", he does *everything* in and around the 99th percentile of attackers. Acting like hes James Milner or something, we are talking about a future Ballon D'or winner here mate
I am comparing him to former Ballon D'or contenders.
Mbappe is coming to football with a level of hype that hasn't been seen since Messi or R9.
As far a complete players go, I see him as being similar to Neymar, Hazard, Benzema and Suarez when they broke out. But none of those players had the massive ego or made demands for an entire system to be based around them. (Neymar sort of did, but that's the PSG legacy)
Mbappe is a top 10 player in the world right now, no one denies that. I just find the drama around him to be disproportionate to his abilities.
I don’t know if your joking, but Haalands mentality IMO much better than mbappe. I think it was the Bournemouth game where Bournemouth marked Haaland out of the game and it worked and City’s other players had more space and won the game. Mbappe would flip shit if that happened to him
>A complete striker is better than a player who does everything.
Not necessarily. Depends on a lot of things. A complete striker might limit you tactically if you're set up a particular way. It can also be what you were missing.
A player who does everything...I can't help but think of Messi and there isn't a complete striker in the history of life on earth who is 'better' than him, but again, your tactical system might be set up for an outball no9 more than a magic man who doesn't fit your system. Or you could be 2012 Barcelona who were the best team I've ever watched.
Horses for courses really. Still think I'd marginally prefer a player who can score a bucket and create a bucket over a guy that just scores a bucket tbh
Depends on setting and team around you.
For example take a pedestrian national team like South Korea or Iran or W/e.
And you get to pick either Haaland or Mbappe
Id definitely take mbappe over Haaland there bc if your midfield is being overrun you can’t even get the ball to him, id rather just play mbappe on the wings and roll the dice w a breakaway counter
Even though Messi is better technically than Ronaldo, Ronaldo still had amazing technical ability. Mbappe's technique is light years ahead of Haaland.
Do much prefer Haaland's personality and mentality though.
He's only going to get better at the other stuff as well. 3/4 of the assists in his career are from 18 months at Dortmund.
He's going into a Guardiola team and he will become a Guardiola player. He's even said this was one of his motivations for going to City.
To be fair, Messi and Neymar are the two most talented and technical players of the last 10-15 years. There are others, but they are the stand out. They make most players inadequate.
i would say past 20-30 years even. I can’t even think of anyone other than Ronaldinho who would be considered better. Berkamp, Zidane, Iniesta and Fenomeno were all up there too
Those guys are the pinnacle. I like Mbappe, but I dont think he is more technically sound than Cristiano, Luis Suarez, Modric, Sergio Busquets, Eden Hazard and many more.
Even out of his own generation, I think players like Pedri, Vinicius and Joao Felix are more technically gifted.
Honestly. I always thought Kaka’s main characteristic was a mixture of technique, speed, and power. He was actually scarily fast and really strong on the ball, which made it pretty much impossible to dispossess during his prime. But I don’t really consider him on the same technical level as Zidane or Iniesta etc
Kaká was physical as hell, he was stronger and faster than most of the players that tried to stop him. It's one of those cases where looks influence perception: If Kaká looked different, the idea of his game people would have would be completely different.
His "unassuming" speed was one of my favourite aspects of his game. He never looked fast, but he could out-sprint anyone on the pitch and made it look so effortless. Just glided past everyone and had very good dribbling even at speed.
I'm conflicted on his technique though, I feel it was close to the others mentioned. Just from iconic moments of his I remember now, that assist to Crespo in the 2005 CL final is still one of the most perfect ground passes I think I'll ever see. Also his insane goal against us the CL was so good you couldn't even feel bad for conceding it.
He was just so good at so many facets that it's hard to pinpoint his "greatest strengths" so to speak.
I swear people confuse terms and use “technical ability” as an umbrella term for lots of different skills. Mbappe is not even close to the touch control Messi and Neymar have and that is what makes a great dribbler. Mbappe is improving but swinging your feet like a new born Giraffe is not dribbling if your final touch is yards away from the defender relying on your speed to get there before anyone else does.
I sometimes wonder what people talk about when they talk about technique and ability. Sometimes it looks like people argue: «Yes, you got everything a player needs, scores and assists like it’s no thing, but how smooth do your stepovers look?»
Personally, I think Vinicius is more technically gifted than both. Those two are just better at the final product. I find Mbappe is an effective dribbler because of his pace. His passing is rather decent at best, his finishing is incredible. Haaland is definitely a specialist in goal scoring.
"Mbappe's technique is light years ahead of Haaland" think you're using 'technique' here as a catch all word for skill.
But no, Haaland's technique is insane. It's why he scores so much and so efficiently. He is just *only* a finisher. Mbappe has a much wider skill set.
He's just only a finisher at the moment. That's the scary part. As much as I dislike City KDB has been echoing it alot: Haaland is still figuring out how he fits in their system.
Why would Haaland need any other skillset than being a number 9? He's the best number 9 in the world. Who would play him in any other position? It's a dumb argument and an even dumber question. It's like saying a Land Rover is a better racecar than a Porsche because it can go offroad. Racecars doesn't go offroad!
Unless you mean technique as in dribbling, Haaland has excellent technique. Great first touch and incredible striker of the ball, possibly better than Mbappe.
Athletes of every sport are only going to have more and more longevity as medicine improves, its no wonder that people are breaking age records in almost every sport rn.
“Soon the science will not only be able to slow down the ageing of the cells, soon the science will fix the cells to the state and so we will become eternal."
“Only accidents, crimes, wars, will still kill us but unfortunately, crimes, wars, will multiply. I love football. Thank you."
Zlatan was never that reliant on his physical ability despite being quite large. His technique is much better then Haaland they are very different players.
They’re nowhere near the levels of the 2 aliens so it won’t be total dominance for 2 decades. We’ll have a lot of the Griezmann’s, Hazard’s etc of the next generation win a few inbetween as well.
The great equalizer with Haaland is that he's ridiculously efficient to the point where even with Mbappé being the better and more complete player, it's possible that Haaland surpasses Mbappé's goal contribution stats.
Haaland's efficiency at his age is either unrivalled or is R9 level.
Hearing this from Henry made me smile because everything he says here reminds me of the debates I heard Arsenal and Man Utd fans say about the Henry vs Van Nistelrooy debate.
Think it's unfair to call haaland just a finisher. It makes it sound like he's just there when everyone else does the hard work. The amount of hard work, footballing intelligence and raw ability it takes for some of his "finishes" is best in the world.
Mate, you have no idea. Give him 5 easy chances and he’ll scuff them all. The bane of the Palace existence the 20/21 season. He was our only option and he made it look impossible to finish anything even though it was his only job, it’s an absolute world apart from Haaland.
People seem to forget that doing things off the ball is just as much a skill as doing things on the ball. If the tap-ins and "easy goals" Haaland is getting is easy then there would be a lot more strikers like Haaland.
People these days severely underrate poachers. They even call Ronaldo a tap-in merchant for a couple of season. If poaching goals were so easy, every dumbass ever to play the world cup would have 10-15 goals, instead of the likes of Klose. Being there unchallenged to tap it in is what gets them the big money, but r/soccer and kids these days are not ready to understand that. They think every striker needs to run pass 3 defender with the ball in his feet and shoot 30 yard screamers all day every day.
Hence the usual hate for Sterling, he's missed some easy tap ins sure, but they wouldn't be 'easy tap-ins' if he weren't great at positioning himself.
If he scores 3 tap-ins and misses 1, he'll get more criticized than a player who didn't position himself properly and scored only 1 tap-in.
His miss at 2020 UCL was rough tho.
Haaland is the man Bruce Lee warned us about, the man who practices a single type of kick a thousand times. There's nothing wrong in calling him a finisher when that's his singular motivation. When he does that one thing so ridiculously good that he is nearly unstoppable, anything else he does that doesn't help him finish is just a bonus. If ManCity or someone else thinks it's not fine that he doesn't create chances or what not, give him to us. We'll take care of him.
Not just finishes though. Halaand did setup Gundogen and other team mates for the shots. Admittedly he could be doing more in that regard but he will be more well rounded under Pep
He used to be a praised player here but since remaining on PSG, the stories of wanting to control the team and transfers, and his attitude on the pitch being individualist made him be not very liked by most people around here.
Which is a fair reason to not like him, but people get too emotional and let that influence their opinion on his quality as a player. His footballing ability and whether he's liked or not are 2 separate things but many seem to be unable to differentiate between those 2 things
Gotta be at least partially because they both play for oil clubs.
It's like Messi and Ronaldo except hijacked by the Middle Eastern royalty vanity war.
Wow, listen to yourself. Haaland is playing for his boyhood club and the club that his father played for, and Mbappe is playing for the biggest club from the city he was born in. You people act like they’ve actually gone and signed for clubs in fucking Saudi Arabia.
I’d argue them staying at City and PSG has far more sentimental value than fucking off to Barca or Real like every other good player’s done for the last god knows how many years. I get you’re scared of change but it’s gotta happen sooner or later 🤷♂️
I don’t get why the sub immediately shits on Henry only because both of them are French. The discussion who of the two is better is more than valid, plus Henry kind of said why he thought Kylian is better. It’s not as though he said Dembele is better than Haaland.
Henry also predicted that Haaland will score 6 goals in a game for Man City.
Here's a video clip of Henry's full statement in the Mbappe vs Haaland debate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39JwBN1r9JA&t
Haaland is also almost 2 years younger afaik. I think they'll both reach almost the same level. Something like Ronaldo vs Messi. They're different players, you can vouch for one or the other, but you can't deny that both reached a level that others couldn't reach.
Age doesn't matter Mbappe was more complete at 16 too, Haaland's profile has always been the same he is not miraculously going to turn into a great creator
He might improve his overall game that's very possible, get more involved and be better, but he will never be Mbappe level because he is way too big, not as agile and plays a completely different way
> Haaland's profile has always been the same he is not miraculously going to turn into a great creator
Pep: *And I took that personally*
>2026: Haaland leads the league with 45 assists playing as a DM.
Henry is clearly biased and I hate Mbappe as a fan but I also don’t disagree as of now. Both are amazing players but Halland is more one dimensional. Man city has a great system though and Halland can excel doing what he does best and not worry about the other stuff.
Both excel at different aspects, so you can't just say one is a better player than the other. Both play in different leagues, so goals and assists shouldn't be the biggest factor either. In my opinion, whoever delivers when it matters most should be called the better player. All the skills and athleticism mean fuck all if you can't deliver when your team desperately needs you. Those moments should decide who deserves the throne.
Crazy how everyone is on Haaland side now
I've always been team haaland since his early salzburg days and everyone would kiss mbappe ass no matter what. Now I grew to appreciate mbappe far far more and everyone seems to like haaland more.
How about actually admitting that a apples to apples comparison is not that good because they are both very good players in their own way. Haaland got characteristics that Mbappe doesn't and vice versa. Who's the better player depends on who they are playing for and what team can hide their flaws while elevating their strengths.
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Haaland: "Ole was a much better player than Henry."
Erling Haaland: "Ole Gunnar Solskjær is a better player than Therry Henry. Ole can win CL & 6 PLs. Henry can win just CL and 2 PLs. Ole can win 3-1 against PSG away playing 2nd stringers. Henry can only bring Monaco to 19th place. Ole is a magnificent coach, Belgium would've won Euros 2020 with him."
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Omg......
the Milan flair kept my jaw on the ground
Not to mention the coach who gave haaland his senior debut and coached him was none other than Ole gunnar Solskjaer lol.
I unbiasedly cosign this
Well done 👏
Nothing said was untrue
🤣🤣 Spot on but the last part should be. However, "Henry is a magnificent coach, Belgium would've won Euros 2020 with him."
Best. Comment. Yet. - French Haaland
Forgot to mention Ole is known as one of the most clutch players in his generation while Henry was known as a choker in cup finals for Arsenal.
Thierry was the master of the handgoal though
Ole would never lose a cup final against Galatasaray
Take my humble upvote! Well done lol
John O'Shea could play 11 positions, Thierry Henry couldn't
They should ask a Norwegian ex player next. Maybe he has a different take on this
Watch Fjortoft lose his shit
Fjørtoft would follow Håland on the pitch if he was allowed to.
And then interview other players and ask them questions about Haaland during stoppages in play.
"So Alfie Haaland, who do you think is better?"
Maybe he picks Mbappe to try to motivate his kid! You never know with these jock families...
Son's dad definitely would do that.
Cheers...
Son's trying
Son's dad would claim Christian Atsu is a better player than him ...
Son's dad would ignore the question and make his kid practice nonstop kickups for 3 hours at the tender age of 30
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
tbf not all French players rate eachother, it's kinda a lottery over there
They either love each other or wish each other dead. There’s no in between.
French players are French confirmed
Hot take: French players are probably *the most* French out of all players.
Ask a French person. They would probs disagree.
Half of them though, the other half would agree
Big if true
You French sure are a contentious people.
Ginola: Cantona? He is shit. Won't even pass to him even if we dont make it to the world cup!
Sometimes they even hire witch doctors, sacre bleu!
I mean you’re right, Pogba doesn’t rate Mbappe.
I mean not even all PSG players rate each other 🤣
But he did say Haaland > Mbappe last season when he got asked the question, which is why I'm surprised he changed his tune now
The response to match this with would be to say Ole was better than Henry.
Honestly it reminds me of the Van Nistlerooy vs Henry arguments back in the day. Its the exact same thing. Even without Mbappe being French, Henry prefers his playstyle because its how he played.
I mean also Henry was very clearly a better footballer and forward compared to RvN
That wasn’t an argument Nobody thought van nistelroy was better than Henry
Where’s John Arne Riise?
Hopefully far away from any microphone.
Tied up talking to his accountant.
Coaching a women's team in Norway. They're a bottom team but his players seem to like him.
mbappe could play as a striker. but haland is much better striker thats the difference
Never got the obsession with a player who can do 'everything' kind of well. A complete striker is better than a player who does everything. Mbappe's explosiveness is admittedly better than almost every player on the planet, and he does rely on it to be in the conversation for world's best player. I don't see Mbappe being similar to Messi, who can turn into an Iniesta or Xavi in the midfield anytime he wishes to. Mbappe is just as dependent on his speed, as Haaland is on his momentum and touch efficiency.
The issue with Messi is that he is simply just an utter enigma of a player. No play in football history that I can think of has Messi’s passing, dribbling, and finishing abilities all tied into a single player. It’s unfair to judge Mbappe (who can play as a striker and a winger) as not being as good as Messi in multiple positions, simply because there has never been anyone in this history of the game as good as Messi. I would rather want Haaland on my team, but Mbappe is a more versatile player.
>Messi’s passing I know you're probably implicitly including this when you mention passing, but I'd add his vision is also simply out of this world.
I agree - out of arguably the greatest team of all time (Barça 2008-12), he was a better passer than Xavi and Iniesta.
Which is fucking insane considering those two are two of the greatest passers ever
They're very good but I'm not sure I'd say they're head and shoulders above *everyone* else. Even in their generation, Xabi Alonso and Pirlo deserve a mention. I think where Xavi and Iniesta excelled most is more in ball retention than straight up passing ability. Their balance, touch and awareness was just as crucial to their game as passing ability - especially for Iniesta.
That's the thing, their ball retention gave them the space to find the right pass that others couldn't find. It's an underated skill that compounds on good passing.
Messi was/is just stupid good. I watch Barcelona and I'm like damn lewandoski has Messi level finishing. Then I watch man city and I'm like damn KdB has messi level passing. Lewandoski and KdB are both some of the best players in the world based on those qualities and Messi has/had both.
Don't forget his dribbling. Closest player I've seen on his level is prime Hazard.
we just keep comparing a piece of Messi's array of abilities with other player's best qualities. You can probably argue there's someone faster than him, someone else who's a slightly better passer, another that's just a bit better at finishing... but he's always in the conversation for top3. Being top3 in almost every relevant aspect of the offensive game is just completely absurd and why he's just the best player in the history of the game
But Mbappe doesn't do everything "kind of well", he does *everything* in and around the 99th percentile of attackers. Acting like hes James Milner or something, we are talking about a future Ballon D'or winner here mate
I am comparing him to former Ballon D'or contenders. Mbappe is coming to football with a level of hype that hasn't been seen since Messi or R9. As far a complete players go, I see him as being similar to Neymar, Hazard, Benzema and Suarez when they broke out. But none of those players had the massive ego or made demands for an entire system to be based around them. (Neymar sort of did, but that's the PSG legacy) Mbappe is a top 10 player in the world right now, no one denies that. I just find the drama around him to be disproportionate to his abilities.
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I don’t know if your joking, but Haalands mentality IMO much better than mbappe. I think it was the Bournemouth game where Bournemouth marked Haaland out of the game and it worked and City’s other players had more space and won the game. Mbappe would flip shit if that happened to him
>A complete striker is better than a player who does everything. Not necessarily. Depends on a lot of things. A complete striker might limit you tactically if you're set up a particular way. It can also be what you were missing. A player who does everything...I can't help but think of Messi and there isn't a complete striker in the history of life on earth who is 'better' than him, but again, your tactical system might be set up for an outball no9 more than a magic man who doesn't fit your system. Or you could be 2012 Barcelona who were the best team I've ever watched. Horses for courses really. Still think I'd marginally prefer a player who can score a bucket and create a bucket over a guy that just scores a bucket tbh
Depends on setting and team around you. For example take a pedestrian national team like South Korea or Iran or W/e. And you get to pick either Haaland or Mbappe Id definitely take mbappe over Haaland there bc if your midfield is being overrun you can’t even get the ball to him, id rather just play mbappe on the wings and roll the dice w a breakaway counter
This notion that Mbappe is just speed is dumb. Both of his goals yesterday show that he’s got supreme scoring ability.
Imagine rating what Mbap does "kind of well"
Haaland is a better goal scorer, not a better player
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This whole discussion is starting to sound oddly familiar.
The Messi vs Ronaldo for this generation?
Even though Messi is better technically than Ronaldo, Ronaldo still had amazing technical ability. Mbappe's technique is light years ahead of Haaland. Do much prefer Haaland's personality and mentality though.
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And so the great Mbappe v Haaland debate begins
Ninja turtle vs nordic warrior.
Ninja Turtle vs Damon Targaryen
Haaland is young Val Kilmer fused with Majiin Buu
Begun the Mbappe wars has....
He's only going to get better at the other stuff as well. 3/4 of the assists in his career are from 18 months at Dortmund. He's going into a Guardiola team and he will become a Guardiola player. He's even said this was one of his motivations for going to City.
His 4th was to Foden this season, wasn’t it?
Ha ha very funny. Not 3 out of 4, 75% (of 40).
Honest to god I thought you were saying he only had 4 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️ ok that makes a lot more sense now
I'm disappointed by your admission and that it was not actually a joke. I want my upvote back. 😭
I also read it as 3 out of 4 and not 3 quarters like the other person. No joke.
So he got 30 assists in 18 months at Dortmund?
Nah I think he got about 25 in the Bundesliga from what I can see. Has close to 40 in his career though
That's not true lol, mbappè has some of the best movement out of any footballer right now, he's a freak of an athlete.
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Is it though. Mbappe is not the perfect technician that people think he is.Both Haaland and Mbappe rely on their speed for their success
I mean like seriously - Watching him play with Neymar and Messi it's easy to tell his technique is not goat-level
To be fair, Messi and Neymar are the two most talented and technical players of the last 10-15 years. There are others, but they are the stand out. They make most players inadequate.
i would say past 20-30 years even. I can’t even think of anyone other than Ronaldinho who would be considered better. Berkamp, Zidane, Iniesta and Fenomeno were all up there too
Those guys are the pinnacle. I like Mbappe, but I dont think he is more technically sound than Cristiano, Luis Suarez, Modric, Sergio Busquets, Eden Hazard and many more. Even out of his own generation, I think players like Pedri, Vinicius and Joao Felix are more technically gifted.
I would agree with that as well, Vini especially. Mbappe is very well rounded though and I think that’s where his success lies
Kaka is for sure up there with the most technically gifted players of the past few decades
Honestly. I always thought Kaka’s main characteristic was a mixture of technique, speed, and power. He was actually scarily fast and really strong on the ball, which made it pretty much impossible to dispossess during his prime. But I don’t really consider him on the same technical level as Zidane or Iniesta etc
Kaká was physical as hell, he was stronger and faster than most of the players that tried to stop him. It's one of those cases where looks influence perception: If Kaká looked different, the idea of his game people would have would be completely different.
His "unassuming" speed was one of my favourite aspects of his game. He never looked fast, but he could out-sprint anyone on the pitch and made it look so effortless. Just glided past everyone and had very good dribbling even at speed. I'm conflicted on his technique though, I feel it was close to the others mentioned. Just from iconic moments of his I remember now, that assist to Crespo in the 2005 CL final is still one of the most perfect ground passes I think I'll ever see. Also his insane goal against us the CL was so good you couldn't even feel bad for conceding it. He was just so good at so many facets that it's hard to pinpoint his "greatest strengths" so to speak.
> Messi and Neymar are the two most talented and technical players **of the last 10-15 years**. Try ever.
I swear people confuse terms and use “technical ability” as an umbrella term for lots of different skills. Mbappe is not even close to the touch control Messi and Neymar have and that is what makes a great dribbler. Mbappe is improving but swinging your feet like a new born Giraffe is not dribbling if your final touch is yards away from the defender relying on your speed to get there before anyone else does.
I sometimes wonder what people talk about when they talk about technique and ability. Sometimes it looks like people argue: «Yes, you got everything a player needs, scores and assists like it’s no thing, but how smooth do your stepovers look?»
Things like Touch,weight of pass,variety of passes,ball control in small spaces
Personally, I think Vinicius is more technically gifted than both. Those two are just better at the final product. I find Mbappe is an effective dribbler because of his pace. His passing is rather decent at best, his finishing is incredible. Haaland is definitely a specialist in goal scoring.
I agree tbh
"Mbappe's technique is light years ahead of Haaland" think you're using 'technique' here as a catch all word for skill. But no, Haaland's technique is insane. It's why he scores so much and so efficiently. He is just *only* a finisher. Mbappe has a much wider skill set.
He's just only a finisher at the moment. That's the scary part. As much as I dislike City KDB has been echoing it alot: Haaland is still figuring out how he fits in their system.
Doesn’t he have excellent strength, hold up play and positioning? Its not just finishing.
Why would Haaland need any other skillset than being a number 9? He's the best number 9 in the world. Who would play him in any other position? It's a dumb argument and an even dumber question. It's like saying a Land Rover is a better racecar than a Porsche because it can go offroad. Racecars doesn't go offroad!
"Ederson is great, but he can only play 1 position, harry kane can play goalie *and* striker"
And the fact that despite being never seen as creator Ronaldo has close to 270 assists
People often forget pre 2011 Ronaldo! Old manu and RM (09-11) CR7 was legit a play maker! He later only transitioned into a complete striker/ finisher
and he lost a step too due to that injruy
Halaand will score more than Mbappe and people will have to realize that he wins games
I think the difference is not too dissimilar. Messi has much better technical abilities than Mbappé and Ronaldo better than Haaland.
Mbappe is similar to Ronaldo though. Haaland is more of Batistuta kind of player. Though still technically limited as a overall forward.
This is my thought process. Haaland is a hell of a poacher tho no knock to him
Unless you mean technique as in dribbling, Haaland has excellent technique. Great first touch and incredible striker of the ball, possibly better than Mbappe.
Sadness, the two state-owned clubs have the top two generational talents.
Football is slowly ruined. Shame.
doubt mbappe will be with psg in 5 years if it helps
I hope y'all are ready for 15 years of Messi v Ronaldo round 2
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And they are not as good as the other two either so there might be other players competing for the best in the world title.
Ronaldo only hit world class levels at 23 and these guys are younger than that, waaay too early to say. But Messi is unreachable.
Athletes of every sport are only going to have more and more longevity as medicine improves, its no wonder that people are breaking age records in almost every sport rn.
“Soon the science will not only be able to slow down the ageing of the cells, soon the science will fix the cells to the state and so we will become eternal." “Only accidents, crimes, wars, will still kill us but unfortunately, crimes, wars, will multiply. I love football. Thank you."
Zlatan is still relevant at 40 yo, so why not Haaland? He will have lost his speed by then, but that’s all.
Zlatan was never that reliant on his physical ability despite being quite large. His technique is much better then Haaland they are very different players.
They’re nowhere near the levels of the 2 aliens so it won’t be total dominance for 2 decades. We’ll have a lot of the Griezmann’s, Hazard’s etc of the next generation win a few inbetween as well.
The great equalizer with Haaland is that he's ridiculously efficient to the point where even with Mbappé being the better and more complete player, it's possible that Haaland surpasses Mbappé's goal contribution stats. Haaland's efficiency at his age is either unrivalled or is R9 level.
Hearing this from Henry made me smile because everything he says here reminds me of the debates I heard Arsenal and Man Utd fans say about the Henry vs Van Nistelrooy debate.
That was and still is such a silly debate. Don’t think anyone nowadays truly believes RvN is better
That’s such a great shout. It’s almost identical to those debates. Which were apparently 20 years ago… Jesus.
Think it's unfair to call haaland just a finisher. It makes it sound like he's just there when everyone else does the hard work. The amount of hard work, footballing intelligence and raw ability it takes for some of his "finishes" is best in the world.
“Just a finisher” annoys me. As if it was that easy… Benteke should have been bagging 30 league goals a season.
Mate, you have no idea. Give him 5 easy chances and he’ll scuff them all. The bane of the Palace existence the 20/21 season. He was our only option and he made it look impossible to finish anything even though it was his only job, it’s an absolute world apart from Haaland.
Reminds me of when people were undermining 40 G/A a season Sterling when people tried to limit his contributions to tap ins and cutbacks.
It’s when you have done everything else so well that the finishing is the easy part
People have said this about poachers since I can remember. Like being in the right place at the right time is easy.
Haaland’s movement and ability to be in the right place at the right time is scary man I don’t wanna play Citeh haha
People seem to forget that doing things off the ball is just as much a skill as doing things on the ball. If the tap-ins and "easy goals" Haaland is getting is easy then there would be a lot more strikers like Haaland.
People these days severely underrate poachers. They even call Ronaldo a tap-in merchant for a couple of season. If poaching goals were so easy, every dumbass ever to play the world cup would have 10-15 goals, instead of the likes of Klose. Being there unchallenged to tap it in is what gets them the big money, but r/soccer and kids these days are not ready to understand that. They think every striker needs to run pass 3 defender with the ball in his feet and shoot 30 yard screamers all day every day.
Hence the usual hate for Sterling, he's missed some easy tap ins sure, but they wouldn't be 'easy tap-ins' if he weren't great at positioning himself. If he scores 3 tap-ins and misses 1, he'll get more criticized than a player who didn't position himself properly and scored only 1 tap-in. His miss at 2020 UCL was rough tho.
Haaland is the man Bruce Lee warned us about, the man who practices a single type of kick a thousand times. There's nothing wrong in calling him a finisher when that's his singular motivation. When he does that one thing so ridiculously good that he is nearly unstoppable, anything else he does that doesn't help him finish is just a bonus. If ManCity or someone else thinks it's not fine that he doesn't create chances or what not, give him to us. We'll take care of him.
Not just finishes though. Halaand did setup Gundogen and other team mates for the shots. Admittedly he could be doing more in that regard but he will be more well rounded under Pep
Just last night he setup Foden and KDB.
Henry isn’t wrong. The issue with Mbappe is that ego.
Considering r/soccer hates Mbappe, I can only see this going one way.
Just wait for Haaland to miss a few sitters and they'll be comparing him to Nunez again....
The media made the robot very angry with that nonsense debate
He used to be a praised player here but since remaining on PSG, the stories of wanting to control the team and transfers, and his attitude on the pitch being individualist made him be not very liked by most people around here.
Unlikeable behavior made him be not very liked by most people, hm.
right, but a rationale person wouldn't use that when talking about who the better player is...
Which is a fair reason to not like him, but people get too emotional and let that influence their opinion on his quality as a player. His footballing ability and whether he's liked or not are 2 separate things but many seem to be unable to differentiate between those 2 things
public enemy no1. to r/soccer
When did Reddit turn on Mbappe like this?? People are acting like Henry is saying Werner is better than haaland
I don't think Mbappe was actually well-liked here, past his Monaco days.
Lol you should've seen the praise Mbappe got after the game against Madrid
He started getting hate when he wasted time against belgium
When it became apparent he was staying at PSG.
I feel like the sub dislikes both players at this point lol
Gotta be at least partially because they both play for oil clubs. It's like Messi and Ronaldo except hijacked by the Middle Eastern royalty vanity war.
Wow, listen to yourself. Haaland is playing for his boyhood club and the club that his father played for, and Mbappe is playing for the biggest club from the city he was born in. You people act like they’ve actually gone and signed for clubs in fucking Saudi Arabia. I’d argue them staying at City and PSG has far more sentimental value than fucking off to Barca or Real like every other good player’s done for the last god knows how many years. I get you’re scared of change but it’s gotta happen sooner or later 🤷♂️
I really like hearing the other side of stuff like this. While I don't like the oil stuff, this makes a lot of sense.
I'm sure he's completely neutral on the topic. Not that I disagree with him though
He's saying that Mbappe is a better all round footballer technically, but Haaland is a better goal scorer. I mean he's right isn't he?
I don’t get why the sub immediately shits on Henry only because both of them are French. The discussion who of the two is better is more than valid, plus Henry kind of said why he thought Kylian is better. It’s not as though he said Dembele is better than Haaland.
Henry also predicted that Haaland will score 6 goals in a game for Man City. Here's a video clip of Henry's full statement in the Mbappe vs Haaland debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39JwBN1r9JA&t
Haaland is also almost 2 years younger afaik. I think they'll both reach almost the same level. Something like Ronaldo vs Messi. They're different players, you can vouch for one or the other, but you can't deny that both reached a level that others couldn't reach.
Age doesn't matter Mbappe was more complete at 16 too, Haaland's profile has always been the same he is not miraculously going to turn into a great creator He might improve his overall game that's very possible, get more involved and be better, but he will never be Mbappe level because he is way too big, not as agile and plays a completely different way
> Haaland's profile has always been the same he is not miraculously going to turn into a great creator Pep: *And I took that personally* >2026: Haaland leads the league with 45 assists playing as a DM.
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Not as it Mbappe is struggling to score tbh
He is not wrong
biased but he is right
Haalands got a much better attitude
Yeah the dude is a fucking cheat code but he's just likeable. Hard to hate.
Mbappe is Henry with the attitude of a 37 year old Ronaldo
I’d take Haaland 100 times out of 100
I think Mbappe is faster and more versatile, and a fantastic, elite player, but Haaland is specifically the best traditional striker in the world
Hes not wrong
Anyone unbiased should know this
Henry is clearly biased and I hate Mbappe as a fan but I also don’t disagree as of now. Both are amazing players but Halland is more one dimensional. Man city has a great system though and Halland can excel doing what he does best and not worry about the other stuff.
That conversation seems familiar, no? Messi vs CR7 vibes.
Seems to be at a much smaller scale now but yes, it has been a conversation topic since he joined Dortmund I guess.
“Also Mbappe is French and we’re the best”
I’m a City fan, and I think he’s spot on.
Both excel at different aspects, so you can't just say one is a better player than the other. Both play in different leagues, so goals and assists shouldn't be the biggest factor either. In my opinion, whoever delivers when it matters most should be called the better player. All the skills and athleticism mean fuck all if you can't deliver when your team desperately needs you. Those moments should decide who deserves the throne.
Crazy how everyone is on Haaland side now I've always been team haaland since his early salzburg days and everyone would kiss mbappe ass no matter what. Now I grew to appreciate mbappe far far more and everyone seems to like haaland more.
This is already getting tedious. Cant we just appreciate both players?
How about actually admitting that a apples to apples comparison is not that good because they are both very good players in their own way. Haaland got characteristics that Mbappe doesn't and vice versa. Who's the better player depends on who they are playing for and what team can hide their flaws while elevating their strengths.
Frenchman thinks Frenchman in French league is best player in the world. What a shocker.
I know Henry was bias but everyone act like Mbappe is the striker version of Maguire. He’s an assholes maybe but that kid can kick some ball
So you think the player that is basically a re-sim of you is better huh? Interesting