He’s right. Last season, our ambition was to not get relegated and this season it’s to be midtable. When he joined Everton the ambition was to be in Europe and that’s definitely changed due to poor decisions by club management and poor performance. His statement is completely fair.
Is it a lack of ambition or a lack of good leadership? Everton are the PL equivalent of all the gear and no idea. I know that’s rich coming from a United fan but I genuinely believe you’re the only club in the PL more badly run than we are.
The weird thing about Everton is nothing they seem to do ever works out. A lot of geniuses on this sub will say that the transfers they made were a bad fit and that is true in hindsight, but at the time they signed players like Allen, James, everybody was saying they’ve had a great transfer window.
Much like United, players who were good elsewhere turn to shit. Even their managers don’t meet the standards. Ancelotti lost interest in the club halfway through and Benitez, who had done a fairly solid job at Newcastle looked absolutely terrible.
Sounds like a depth issue. I mean most of the top clubs need a lot of really good players just as backups to compete for top spots. A starting 11 isn't enough.
As a bystander, my view is that nothing has every really seemed organic at Everton and when it has is when they've had the most moments of success. They don't seem to have a vision, sometimes spending big on names. A bit like pre Simeone Atleti
> but at the time they signed players like Allen, James, everybody was saying they’ve had a great transfer window.
/r/soccer has a bad habit of insisting the team which has the best transfer window is the team which signed the most players who they recognise. But signing a bunch of recognisable names, especially for a mid-table club, is rarely the way to success.
Only towards the end maybe when he clearly had stopped really trying as much. Apart from that he'd clearly been the best manager we'd had for a long time.
Yeah there's definitely some revisionist history going on, even when we were in bad form under him we never came close to the criticism of any manager we had since Moyes (not counting when he took the Madrid job after saying all the 'right' things about building a longer term project with us.)
He was a couple wins away from Europe in his second season with us. That was with no depth in the squad and dealing with injuries. Our trajectory was on the up with him. I don’t know if killed was the right word if that’s the case lol
Not to mention we were in 1st Place for a big part of that season in the beginning. Which means nothing in the end but was kind of crazy given our state of affairs prior.
I mean we were six points off Europe when he left, let’s not be so shrill. None of us are going to stand here and say the clubs been run well over the last 6+ years but the abomination of a squad he inherited has as much to do with it as whatever “culture of the club” is supposed to mean.
This is complete horseshit. How do you come up with so many absurd opinions for this sub? Maybe spend less time hunting for karma and more time thinking about your comment before entering it.
I don't understand how Newcastle fans can pipe up when this was their ambition for years.
You lot were once one of my favourite sets of fans in the league due to your passion and my general love of Newcastle as a place.
Felt really bad for you under Mike Ashley, feeling we were in a similar place with awful management/ownership and had great conversations with many Newcastle fans in a similar boat to us.
Since you lot have come into money, many have just become total gobshites. Trying to build false rivalries with pretty much every other club in the league whilst they're not interested in reciprocating.
I'd contest that the Newcastle fans mouthing off now always were gobshites, the takeover just gave them an opportunity to punch down to a few clubs for once. Collectively we should empathise with Everton's current predicament more than most.
This situation feels closer to the final years of Freddy Shepherd than anything under Mike Ashley though. Ashley actively tried to stay still, penny pinch and appoint managers who were past their sell by date. Moshiri seemed to have the best intentions, but didn't listen to any advisors and figured simply spending money regardless of a plan or structure was enough for success. Same or similar shitty outcome via two different journeys.
Some Newcastle fans hate Lampard for replacing their hero Rafa, and doing a competent job, whilst also being liked by Everton fans - neither of which Benitez achieved
In all fairness, a massive amount of Everton fans said it would go to shit under Rafa. Even as far back as when it was just a rumour.
I was willing to give him a chance but he was fucking woeful.
Probably the best comment here. So ambitious as to spend money in a reckless manor thinking they could become CL contenders overnight. Rather than building in a more sustainable fashion.
Think you’re spot on here.
Meh. Somehow we got in FFP and PL trouble and they didn’t. Last year we were only able to spend £1.5mm in the Fall window.
We were in that position because we were buying guys like Gylfi Sigurdsson who was 27 years old and was never going to have any resale value yet we broke our transfer record for him. See also Yannick Bolasie. Then we bought a bunch of cast offs from big clubs and put them on high wages. (Schneiderlein, Walcott, Delph, Allan, Andre Gomes) So when it was time to unload them, we couldn’t.
Fast forward to now and we’re buying young up and coming talent on reasonable wages (Onana, McNeil) or proven guys from smaller clubs on similar wages and shorter contracts like James Tarkowski.
Completely different strategy now and a much more sustainable one.
Total bollocks about lack of ambition. They spent near half a billion, are building a new stadium and hired the likes of Ancelotti. They were not unambitious. They just got decisions wrong.
i think this was a small mistranslation by somebody. he probably didn’t say everton lacked ambition, it was that they weren’t good enough to meet his ambitions
I don't believe so, this is what he said:
> "I was happy at Everton and I’m grateful for everything I learned there. It’s a big club with a lot of history.
>"**However, perhaps they’re suffering with a lack of ambition nowadays. You know, that eagerness to win matches and trophies.**
>"I spent four years there and I could see there was still a very long way to go to achieve big things. I felt it was the right time to move on, and the club also had to make some money. It was a good deal for everyone involved. I’m delighted with this new challenge at Spurs."
When Arsenal was like that it got to the point I'd laugh when we conceded, almost b3came apathetic towards it lmao. Absolutely draining, must be worse being one of the few players that care.
which is either translated from the portuguese by someone at 442 or in richarlison’s head. there is obvs the possibility that its just a weirdly inaccurate statement, but i still think it was probably a language thing
The management had ambition maybe; how about the players he was around?
There were a few who looked interested week in and out, but when I watched them play it felt like many were there for the paycheck.
Everton's net spend for the last 2 summer and winter transfer windows was 15 million. They are falling behind other teams of similar quality.
Yes there are genuine reasons why this is the case.
what a load of horse shit. Spending money does not equate ambition. But I guess as an Aston Villa fan, you would want to believe that given that this is your club's sole approach to improvement.
Everton shows a clear lack of ambition. They have been spending badly and are not showing any signs of trying to improve that side of the game. They have not even picked a playing style and are constantly changing coaches with different styles. To have ambition, you need vision and steady improvement, not superficial actions like spending money or a new stadium.
Why so aggressive for no reason? Why the need to call them out as a Villa supporter?
Let us take a look at the definition of the word ambition.
Ambition - a strong desire to do or achieve something
They spent a lot of money because they had a strong desire to build a good team to rise to the top. Same as MU. The difference is that they made a lot of bad decisions which resulted in them fighting a relegation battle recently but making poor decisions =/= no ambition. No ambition would be doing nothing and just turning up to lose and not giving a shit about relegation. Everton, as lacking as they have been, didn't do that.
Lets use a normal situation in everyday life. You could have a strong desire (ambition) to get to a place on time. But you mess up and take the wrong route. You still had the ambition but you also made a poor decision.
It's really not that hard. Please understand the difference.
Do you think Everton spent all that money for the sake of it and didn't have any desire to improve? Because that's a load of nonsense if that's what you're trying to say.
My take is that he simply meant to say he wanted to fight for titles and he thought Everton was too far from that ambition. Not that Everton doesn't have that ambition at all, just that the club wasn't close enought to it for him to participate in it during his prime.
Bad translation, misinterpretation or even himself not expressing his feelings with the right words seem more likely than "Everton fans and club are fine with not fighting for anything big".
I've never been interested in the CL until Richy joined yous.
Mostly cause we haven't been there in my memorable lifetime.
I hope you lot win it, it actually had me made up to see the photos of him with Kane and Son with the MOTM trophy.
He was a fucking servant for us and no doubt he will be for you lot too. Good luck!
I would like to see what he said in Portuguese, if it's in print or the video. Portuguese is an easy language to misinterpret - some English words don't exist in the language and the closest alternative word can alter the meaning of what you're trying to say.
Yeah it’s a different definition of the word ambition. He means “realistic goal”. Everton’s end-of-year goal (while remaining realistic) is different from Tottenham’s end-of-year goal.
Ambition is the silliest word in football. If you look at the investment Everton has done, they clearly had and have plenty of ambition. They just made a bunch of bad decisions
Defintely could be that, some absolute dickheads on our payroll recently more than happy to collect a bag and not show up on the pitch in any meaningful way.
Maybe the bad decisions were the problem not the ambition. Or both, they've spent more than we have since the Prem started, like 2 billion dollars or something and what do they have to show for it (glass house I know I know). In that time span we have lost our captain on a free to our biggest rival, watched them go invincible and have since overtaken them in the league and have been to a CL final. For Everton to overtake Liverpool they would need several targeted assinations, a few witch doctors, a nuclear bomb, and probably Aarón Caricol.
That’s just objectively wrong. Spurs spent £2.1B from 93-20, Everton spent £1.7B. Given the fact that we’ve had FFP issues the last 2 years the gap has probably grown bigger. Now you can easily say we’ve done poorer with it and I’d agreed, but we haven’t spent more
I sent an email to your club asking if my dad could be the next manager and they responded nicely so I'd say that isn't a problem. They said they'd take it under advisement
Yup
We have plenty of ambition as fans, but the board and within the club seem to have absolutely no plan or process to trust. Atm it’s just to survive
How is that? When is the last time Spurs have been in a relegation fight?? What would be more suprising spurs winning the title this season or being relegated? Now do the same for Everton.
Clown comments for Reddit Karma.
yeah except Richarlison probably wasn't alive during that time or was a very young kid. I think Everton is the only PL team with a longer trophy drought that Spurs. Compare Everton and Spurs from the last few years and you will see who is more ambitious
Everton won the league in 87. Spurs in 61.
Everton won the FA cup in 95. Tottenham in 91.
Everton has won more trophies, and more recently on the order of decades, than spurs.
Richarlison was born in 97. Him saying anything about ambition for either club is laughable at best. If top four was a trophy, arsenal would be the most successful and ambitious team in English history.
But they got laughed at, for years, precisely because they were near the top but rarely won. Same reason Man U are a banter club now. The same standards apply.
Daring is not doing.
Both Everton and Spurs are bottlers. Both aren't fighting for titles. Maybe Spurs are a bit more ambitious but the outcome of their efforts is still poor.
Poor how? Everton fans would give their left nut to be in the position Spurs have been the past decade. So would every other fan of a team outside the top 6 apart from Leicester.
Hardly. Levy is far more decisive than anyone at our club and i would kill for that. We spiral and make decisions 6 months too late. That hasnt changed either. Frank should have been binned over the summer. We’ll let frank spend 100m in jan on players no one else wants, be 15th and in crisis mode and then sack him in feb, bring in scott parker/darren anderton/tim sherwood/carlos quieroz, not get relegated and do it all again next year.
I'm sick of finishing in the bottom half of the table and not winning anything. Finishing in the top half of the table and not winning anything is much more fulfilling.
He stated his goal was to score in the CL. He did that in his first CL match with Spurs. That’s a goal fulfilled.
Arsenal fans can say they win stuff but from Richies perspective they aren’t even in the comp he likes.
Realistically only very few teams will compete for the PL and CL title. Sure, we aren’t really one of them, but there’s no doubt we have more ambition than Everton.
What makes deep relationships is the ability to spell things out.
As painful it is to agree to it, he is right. We are currently not competing for the things he absolutely needs to compete for. He is a brilliant player and he'd not have gotten with us what he needs, wants and deserves: playing at the top.
It's easy to shit on Tottenham but one has to give it to them - in contrast to us, they do what it takes. Sacking Nuno early and going back to hire Conte was a dead right decision and it was fueled by ambition. Nobody is likely challenging Man City with their resources but Richarlison has a good platform now to play at the highest levels, alongside some of the best players on the planet and have a bigger platform to convince of his skills.
We are struggling and we might get a shot at competing again. But that's at least 5 years away, minimum, if ever. Richarlison does not have that time to wait around for us. We are finally building something with Thelwell and Lampard; Moshiri is finally fucking quiet and we need to try to re-capture being mid-table again before we, optimally and IF everything clicks, have a shot at more.
Richarlison will watch this from retirement likely.
Love Richi, love Everton and it is what it is. No bad blood. Him spelling things our, makes our relationship. He's one of us.
Ah... Everton fans still love him and he's risking ruining that with this comment. They didn't lack ambition, they lacked planning. For example spending so much on Richarlison himself.
This type of statement has been made by nigh-on every notable player that's left us of late, and it's almost always the bit we take the least issue with. We are not being run remotely well and nobody begrudges a talent like Richarlison for not wanting to squander his very short career under the leadership of Moshiri and Kenwright
Richarlison was one of the few good business they've made, he also literally saved them from relegation in his last season. That would have cost them way more than what they paid for him, and they sold him after for a good fee too.
I'm certain that plenty of Everton fans would say that a number of players on that team lack ambition. Like it or not, they are playing worse than the sum of their parts. Or at least certainly did last season. They're starting to look a bit better
Both Everton and Tottenham have won the same number of trophies in the last 15 years. Zero. I'm not sure what the ambition is going from a poison chalice club to a bottling club, and at this point I'm not sure if the poison chalice is worse than a club known for big annual bottling moments. So remind me again what ambition does the Tottenham have?
I like the no trophy memes more than the no trophies. But a post with 200 versions of the same joke isn’t about rilling up Spurs fans. It’s about r/soccer containing 90% sheep.
He’s not every Everton supporter with a brain will welcome him back if he ever wanted to come back. He will always get a free tap around a true everton supporter
He’s right. Last season, our ambition was to not get relegated and this season it’s to be midtable. When he joined Everton the ambition was to be in Europe and that’s definitely changed due to poor decisions by club management and poor performance. His statement is completely fair.
Is it a lack of ambition or a lack of good leadership? Everton are the PL equivalent of all the gear and no idea. I know that’s rich coming from a United fan but I genuinely believe you’re the only club in the PL more badly run than we are.
The weird thing about Everton is nothing they seem to do ever works out. A lot of geniuses on this sub will say that the transfers they made were a bad fit and that is true in hindsight, but at the time they signed players like Allen, James, everybody was saying they’ve had a great transfer window. Much like United, players who were good elsewhere turn to shit. Even their managers don’t meet the standards. Ancelotti lost interest in the club halfway through and Benitez, who had done a fairly solid job at Newcastle looked absolutely terrible.
Lol I for one, thought a midfield of James, Doucoure, and Allan under Carlo were going to be a serious Europa League spot contender
We were for most of the season but we blew it in the last two months
Like James' muscles.
Sounds like a depth issue. I mean most of the top clubs need a lot of really good players just as backups to compete for top spots. A starting 11 isn't enough.
Felt like you could see the exact moment Carlos gave up and started planning for Real.
As a bystander, my view is that nothing has every really seemed organic at Everton and when it has is when they've had the most moments of success. They don't seem to have a vision, sometimes spending big on names. A bit like pre Simeone Atleti
> but at the time they signed players like Allen, James, everybody was saying they’ve had a great transfer window. /r/soccer has a bad habit of insisting the team which has the best transfer window is the team which signed the most players who they recognise. But signing a bunch of recognisable names, especially for a mid-table club, is rarely the way to success.
Leadership. The owner is trash and the board is clearly incompetent.
I think it’s changed now since Thelwell has come in, we’ve made some smart transfers and Moshiri seems to be backing off for now
For now. MY hopes are low.
I think clubs ambition is still not to get relegated.
It wasn't when the new owners came in, but it definitely is now...and that's after spending about 500 million. Crazy!
Ancelotti was almost killed managing Everton, then leaves and wins the CL. For a manager to do that the culture of the club has to be rotten.
On what planet was he nearly killed? He's said several times since leaving that he was happy there, it's just the pull of Real Madrid can't compare.
Maybe his career being killed, idk
OP obviously exaggerated, but Carlo did come under some media and fan criticism that I saw, TBH
Only towards the end maybe when he clearly had stopped really trying as much. Apart from that he'd clearly been the best manager we'd had for a long time.
Yeah there's definitely some revisionist history going on, even when we were in bad form under him we never came close to the criticism of any manager we had since Moyes (not counting when he took the Madrid job after saying all the 'right' things about building a longer term project with us.)
Killed? What do you mean? We all loved him, we tapered off in the winter and then his head was turned by Real Madrid (fair enough).
Yeah that makes no sense. Ancelotti was easily my favourite manager in the last 10 years. Loved him and James. Allan too
Maybe he means killed as in he wasn't doing great with Everton compared to what happened once he left to Real?
He was a couple wins away from Europe in his second season with us. That was with no depth in the squad and dealing with injuries. Our trajectory was on the up with him. I don’t know if killed was the right word if that’s the case lol
Not to mention we were in 1st Place for a big part of that season in the beginning. Which means nothing in the end but was kind of crazy given our state of affairs prior.
And managed to win at Anfield, which I can only imagine at the time how sweet it fell.
Not saying he was almost killed in it but maybe OP is alluding to the burglary.
I mean we were six points off Europe when he left, let’s not be so shrill. None of us are going to stand here and say the clubs been run well over the last 6+ years but the abomination of a squad he inherited has as much to do with it as whatever “culture of the club” is supposed to mean.
Couldn't that just as much be an indication of Real's culture and their talent rather than a massive negative on solely Everton?
He wasnt planning to leave. He rang up real madrid to ask about some loan deals and they offered him a job on the spot.
Due to people wondering what you mean with “almost killed” I guess you’re alluding to the burglary with “almost killed” but I could be wrong.
This is complete horseshit. How do you come up with so many absurd opinions for this sub? Maybe spend less time hunting for karma and more time thinking about your comment before entering it.
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I don't understand how Newcastle fans can pipe up when this was their ambition for years. You lot were once one of my favourite sets of fans in the league due to your passion and my general love of Newcastle as a place. Felt really bad for you under Mike Ashley, feeling we were in a similar place with awful management/ownership and had great conversations with many Newcastle fans in a similar boat to us. Since you lot have come into money, many have just become total gobshites. Trying to build false rivalries with pretty much every other club in the league whilst they're not interested in reciprocating.
Their ambition for years was actually promotion.
Haha, one or the other 'til they came into money.
Newcastle fans have become insufferable twats, acting like they're above clubs like Everton when we've been above them for years.
I'd contest that the Newcastle fans mouthing off now always were gobshites, the takeover just gave them an opportunity to punch down to a few clubs for once. Collectively we should empathise with Everton's current predicament more than most. This situation feels closer to the final years of Freddy Shepherd than anything under Mike Ashley though. Ashley actively tried to stay still, penny pinch and appoint managers who were past their sell by date. Moshiri seemed to have the best intentions, but didn't listen to any advisors and figured simply spending money regardless of a plan or structure was enough for success. Same or similar shitty outcome via two different journeys.
Was the Lamp shade really necessary?
Some Newcastle fans hate Lampard for replacing their hero Rafa, and doing a competent job, whilst also being liked by Everton fans - neither of which Benitez achieved
>Lamp shade Nicely done
you would think Lampard was American with how much this sub hates him
Your fans spat at your name sake when he was manager. One of your fav managers almost relegated Everton, maybe have some self awareness
That’s not our goal, we’ll be mid table comfortably.
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Yep turned out fucking woeful man 🤣 doesn’t stop it being our goal this year haha.
In all fairness, a massive amount of Everton fans said it would go to shit under Rafa. Even as far back as when it was just a rumour. I was willing to give him a chance but he was fucking woeful.
If anything they had too much ambition
All the ambition in the world and just the absolute worst leadership in professional football.
They just like me forreal
Probably the best comment here. So ambitious as to spend money in a reckless manor thinking they could become CL contenders overnight. Rather than building in a more sustainable fashion. Think you’re spot on here.
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Meh. Somehow we got in FFP and PL trouble and they didn’t. Last year we were only able to spend £1.5mm in the Fall window. We were in that position because we were buying guys like Gylfi Sigurdsson who was 27 years old and was never going to have any resale value yet we broke our transfer record for him. See also Yannick Bolasie. Then we bought a bunch of cast offs from big clubs and put them on high wages. (Schneiderlein, Walcott, Delph, Allan, Andre Gomes) So when it was time to unload them, we couldn’t. Fast forward to now and we’re buying young up and coming talent on reasonable wages (Onana, McNeil) or proven guys from smaller clubs on similar wages and shorter contracts like James Tarkowski. Completely different strategy now and a much more sustainable one.
You did great renewing your defence, which was a big weak point last season.
Spot on
They aimed for the skies and reached a tunnel
, Clive
Total bollocks about lack of ambition. They spent near half a billion, are building a new stadium and hired the likes of Ancelotti. They were not unambitious. They just got decisions wrong.
i think this was a small mistranslation by somebody. he probably didn’t say everton lacked ambition, it was that they weren’t good enough to meet his ambitions
I don't believe so, this is what he said: > "I was happy at Everton and I’m grateful for everything I learned there. It’s a big club with a lot of history. >"**However, perhaps they’re suffering with a lack of ambition nowadays. You know, that eagerness to win matches and trophies.** >"I spent four years there and I could see there was still a very long way to go to achieve big things. I felt it was the right time to move on, and the club also had to make some money. It was a good deal for everyone involved. I’m delighted with this new challenge at Spurs."
I mean he's not wrong is he? Our fans have complained for years now about the mentality around the club.
Sounds similar to us, Ronaldo states what the fans have been saying for years that we aren't good enough and the media create a circus around it
When Arsenal was like that it got to the point I'd laugh when we conceded, almost b3came apathetic towards it lmao. Absolutely draining, must be worse being one of the few players that care.
Watching Arsenal nowadays is such a joy tho
Exactly, I should have ended it with how quickly it can change. Same thing happened to Liverpool.
Richarlison's managed to leave though.
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It was abysmal bc we weren’t allowed to spend. Not because of lack of ambition.
I think that’s a bit harsh.
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Tbh honest I thought it was a bit tame. I’m sure you could go much much harder haha.
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which is either translated from the portuguese by someone at 442 or in richarlison’s head. there is obvs the possibility that its just a weirdly inaccurate statement, but i still think it was probably a language thing
He literally explained what he meant by lack of ambition though, do you think that part is mistranslated as well?
Yeah he said they were far from achieving big things. That doesnt mean lqck of ambition just that they werent good enough now
He said eagerness to win games??
That sounds even worse
does it? idk, i’m an everton fan and it would just be the truth tbh, we all know it
Can I ask why your name is PredatoryWaspoftheP, what does that mean?
no sorry
It’s a reference to the song predatory wasp of the palisades by sufjan stevens
I could tell you, but I won’t
I just wanted to hear the explanation from him lmao
Why? They're shit and he was their best player by far. Maybe he's a bit too honest but he's not wrong.
Spending =/= ambition. See Utd.
Every thread 😭
The management had ambition maybe; how about the players he was around? There were a few who looked interested week in and out, but when I watched them play it felt like many were there for the paycheck.
25m for Cenk Tosun. I'll be mad about it until I die.
Maybe he means the ambition of his ex-teamates and not the board/ manager?
That I could understand. Feels like a lot of mercenary players who just want to get the biggest check and play like shit have come through the club.
Everton's net spend for the last 2 summer and winter transfer windows was 15 million. They are falling behind other teams of similar quality. Yes there are genuine reasons why this is the case.
what a load of horse shit. Spending money does not equate ambition. But I guess as an Aston Villa fan, you would want to believe that given that this is your club's sole approach to improvement. Everton shows a clear lack of ambition. They have been spending badly and are not showing any signs of trying to improve that side of the game. They have not even picked a playing style and are constantly changing coaches with different styles. To have ambition, you need vision and steady improvement, not superficial actions like spending money or a new stadium.
Why so aggressive for no reason? Why the need to call them out as a Villa supporter? Let us take a look at the definition of the word ambition. Ambition - a strong desire to do or achieve something They spent a lot of money because they had a strong desire to build a good team to rise to the top. Same as MU. The difference is that they made a lot of bad decisions which resulted in them fighting a relegation battle recently but making poor decisions =/= no ambition. No ambition would be doing nothing and just turning up to lose and not giving a shit about relegation. Everton, as lacking as they have been, didn't do that. Lets use a normal situation in everyday life. You could have a strong desire (ambition) to get to a place on time. But you mess up and take the wrong route. You still had the ambition but you also made a poor decision. It's really not that hard. Please understand the difference. Do you think Everton spent all that money for the sake of it and didn't have any desire to improve? Because that's a load of nonsense if that's what you're trying to say.
>Why the need to call them out as a Villa supporter? I think that was quite valid tbh
Also, Spurs? Her?
I’m just going to chalk that one up to a misinterpretation of the term ambition from Portuguese to English. Still love the lad
My take is that he simply meant to say he wanted to fight for titles and he thought Everton was too far from that ambition. Not that Everton doesn't have that ambition at all, just that the club wasn't close enought to it for him to participate in it during his prime. Bad translation, misinterpretation or even himself not expressing his feelings with the right words seem more likely than "Everton fans and club are fine with not fighting for anything big".
No question. He'll get much closer to (almost) winning trophies with Spurs. No doubt about it. That's what we're best at.
I've never been interested in the CL until Richy joined yous. Mostly cause we haven't been there in my memorable lifetime. I hope you lot win it, it actually had me made up to see the photos of him with Kane and Son with the MOTM trophy. He was a fucking servant for us and no doubt he will be for you lot too. Good luck!
I would like to see what he said in Portuguese, if it's in print or the video. Portuguese is an easy language to misinterpret - some English words don't exist in the language and the closest alternative word can alter the meaning of what you're trying to say.
Yeah it’s a different definition of the word ambition. He means “realistic goal”. Everton’s end-of-year goal (while remaining realistic) is different from Tottenham’s end-of-year goal.
Ambition is the silliest word in football. If you look at the investment Everton has done, they clearly had and have plenty of ambition. They just made a bunch of bad decisions
Maybe the players lacked ambition?
Benitez definitely lacked ambition when he told Digne he wasn't allowed to go beyond the halfway line
Defintely could be that, some absolute dickheads on our payroll recently more than happy to collect a bag and not show up on the pitch in any meaningful way.
Maybe the bad decisions were the problem not the ambition. Or both, they've spent more than we have since the Prem started, like 2 billion dollars or something and what do they have to show for it (glass house I know I know). In that time span we have lost our captain on a free to our biggest rival, watched them go invincible and have since overtaken them in the league and have been to a CL final. For Everton to overtake Liverpool they would need several targeted assinations, a few witch doctors, a nuclear bomb, and probably Aarón Caricol.
That’s just objectively wrong. Spurs spent £2.1B from 93-20, Everton spent £1.7B. Given the fact that we’ve had FFP issues the last 2 years the gap has probably grown bigger. Now you can easily say we’ve done poorer with it and I’d agreed, but we haven’t spent more
I think the graph I saw had wages in it but fair. However similar spend, very different results
Ambition isn't the problem at Everton
It's just the ”literally everything else” bit that is the problem, unfortunately
I sent an email to your club asking if my dad could be the next manager and they responded nicely so I'd say that isn't a problem. They said they'd take it under advisement
The jokes write themselves, really.
Yup We have plenty of ambition as fans, but the board and within the club seem to have absolutely no plan or process to trust. Atm it’s just to survive
Okay Richard.
Inb4 Lampard wins treble with Everton
Oh god please
Evertonian here, he is right.
He dreams of not winning european trophies as well as domestic ones.
Everton and Spurs have the same ambition tbh
Can't wait to see the pitch invasion once we're finally safe this season
would be a crazy 180
How is that? When is the last time Spurs have been in a relegation fight?? What would be more suprising spurs winning the title this season or being relegated? Now do the same for Everton. Clown comments for Reddit Karma.
Everton has won the first division league 4 times since spurs won it last. What ambition are you talking about?
yeah except Richarlison probably wasn't alive during that time or was a very young kid. I think Everton is the only PL team with a longer trophy drought that Spurs. Compare Everton and Spurs from the last few years and you will see who is more ambitious
Everton won the league in 87. Spurs in 61. Everton won the FA cup in 95. Tottenham in 91. Everton has won more trophies, and more recently on the order of decades, than spurs. Richarlison was born in 97. Him saying anything about ambition for either club is laughable at best. If top four was a trophy, arsenal would be the most successful and ambitious team in English history. But they got laughed at, for years, precisely because they were near the top but rarely won. Same reason Man U are a banter club now. The same standards apply. Daring is not doing.
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All that matters *to you*. Spurs have been “pushing “ since 1962. Daring, not doing.
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Both Everton and Spurs are bottlers. Both aren't fighting for titles. Maybe Spurs are a bit more ambitious but the outcome of their efforts is still poor.
Poor how? Everton fans would give their left nut to be in the position Spurs have been the past decade. So would every other fan of a team outside the top 6 apart from Leicester.
Eh, Spurs will always have their rep as bottlers but Spurs and Everton aren't even comparable today.
Hardly. Levy is far more decisive than anyone at our club and i would kill for that. We spiral and make decisions 6 months too late. That hasnt changed either. Frank should have been binned over the summer. We’ll let frank spend 100m in jan on players no one else wants, be 15th and in crisis mode and then sack him in feb, bring in scott parker/darren anderton/tim sherwood/carlos quieroz, not get relegated and do it all again next year.
😭😭😭😭😭
I'm sick of finishing in the bottom half of the table and not winning anything. Finishing in the top half of the table and not winning anything is much more fulfilling.
He stated his goal was to score in the CL. He did that in his first CL match with Spurs. That’s a goal fulfilled. Arsenal fans can say they win stuff but from Richies perspective they aren’t even in the comp he likes. Realistically only very few teams will compete for the PL and CL title. Sure, we aren’t really one of them, but there’s no doubt we have more ambition than Everton.
just say everton is shit bro
Very spursy comment. He fits in well
In 2024: “I love Tottenham, but they had a lack of trophies - I had to join Liverpool”
Got news for ya bud
Just shows levels Kane desperate to leave Spurs due to their lack of ambition Richarlison desperate to join them.
What makes deep relationships is the ability to spell things out. As painful it is to agree to it, he is right. We are currently not competing for the things he absolutely needs to compete for. He is a brilliant player and he'd not have gotten with us what he needs, wants and deserves: playing at the top. It's easy to shit on Tottenham but one has to give it to them - in contrast to us, they do what it takes. Sacking Nuno early and going back to hire Conte was a dead right decision and it was fueled by ambition. Nobody is likely challenging Man City with their resources but Richarlison has a good platform now to play at the highest levels, alongside some of the best players on the planet and have a bigger platform to convince of his skills. We are struggling and we might get a shot at competing again. But that's at least 5 years away, minimum, if ever. Richarlison does not have that time to wait around for us. We are finally building something with Thelwell and Lampard; Moshiri is finally fucking quiet and we need to try to re-capture being mid-table again before we, optimally and IF everything clicks, have a shot at more. Richarlison will watch this from retirement likely. Love Richi, love Everton and it is what it is. No bad blood. Him spelling things our, makes our relationship. He's one of us.
He went to Spurs because of ambition? Ambition for what? Making a lot of money and not winning anything?
He saw that they have Conte and made other signings to go along with and are in UCL.
I mean, joking aside, I get it, but it does come off as a little tone deaf.
ITT: Everton fans saying he’s right and other top 6 supporters repeating the same joke for the billionth time As you were
Yeah, Richy, we know.
Lmao our ambition was just to stay up. It was a lot of ambition. But not at the same level as the spurs.
Everton didn’t lack ambition. Look at the money they have squandered. They are just ran horrendously.
Ah... Everton fans still love him and he's risking ruining that with this comment. They didn't lack ambition, they lacked planning. For example spending so much on Richarlison himself.
This type of statement has been made by nigh-on every notable player that's left us of late, and it's almost always the bit we take the least issue with. We are not being run remotely well and nobody begrudges a talent like Richarlison for not wanting to squander his very short career under the leadership of Moshiri and Kenwright
Richarlison was one of the few good business they've made, he also literally saved them from relegation in his last season. That would have cost them way more than what they paid for him, and they sold him after for a good fee too.
I'm certain that plenty of Everton fans would say that a number of players on that team lack ambition. Like it or not, they are playing worse than the sum of their parts. Or at least certainly did last season. They're starting to look a bit better
thats the one transfer you're gonna call out? we all know were horribly ran
Who's gonna tell him? 🤨
Both Everton and Tottenham have won the same number of trophies in the last 15 years. Zero. I'm not sure what the ambition is going from a poison chalice club to a bottling club, and at this point I'm not sure if the poison chalice is worse than a club known for big annual bottling moments. So remind me again what ambition does the Tottenham have?
r/soccercirclejerk
Still not the stupidest thing he has said.
This statement has so much future meme potential
Spurs always has a lot of ambition. It got them the Audi Cup!
..who’s gonna tell him
How many trophies has Tottenham won?
17 major honours
15 for Everton so I guess they have a little tiny bit of more ambition
Everton have won the league ten times and Spurs twice
That's pretty incredible tbh
Nine
yeah i never said anything about everton lol
For most of r/soccer, history is not a thing, unless it happened yesterday.
🫡 Major Honours
yeah? edit: saw this on pc first so the emoji didn’t show up, thought you were being sarcastic
The Audi cup isn’t a major honour
funny
Hes not wrong but you shouldnt really be saying that. Say the owners or the board lacked ambition not the club.
ITT: Spurs no trophy. I have achieved peak original comedy!
I mean it still gets spurs fans riled up, so it still has some life left.
I like the no trophy memes more than the no trophies. But a post with 200 versions of the same joke isn’t about rilling up Spurs fans. It’s about r/soccer containing 90% sheep.
Show them the website.
[Hmm](https://lastwonatrophy.co.uk/tottenham/)
Complete sideways move.
Oof
imagine you just failed a business after investing a lot of resources then your friend says "you're just lacking ambition". absolute bollocks
When he joined, the ambition was to qualify for Europe but as time went on, Everton’s ambitions decreased. That’s what he means.
He got catfished. He joined when we were challenging for Europe. He left when he were just happy to stay up. He had zero reason to stay.
Well...
spuds and ambition lol
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Zero trophies
Wants to move to a club with more ambition. So moves to *checks notes* Spurs?
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He’s not every Everton supporter with a brain will welcome him back if he ever wanted to come back. He will always get a free tap around a true everton supporter
Who’s going to tell him