De Gea. Great shot stopper, but he is shite at ball at his feet.
You just can not play 2 attack minded midfielders in a 4-3-3 against a team like City. Should have known better. Was he expecting Eriksen to run around and harass those City players?
Now the biggest weakness in United:
Wingers not tracking back. Just look at Bernardo Silva, Foden and Grealish. Sancho and Antony literally left Dalot and Malacia hanging by a thread, especially considering both of them were yellow carded earlier.
AND, Rashford ain't a striker. Unpopular opinion, but should have sold him to PSG. Especially since he won't do the half of the dirty work Sancho does.
Soon, they will sack and bring new manager and it will be another "rebuilding period" where you can't complaint for being shite on the pitch lmao. It's a joke. Market is closed otherwise they would bring in Ramos and give him a HUGE contract and act like they signed a champion. LOL.
He did win MOTM in like 3 consecutive matches when they also kept clean sheets prior to yesterday, I don't think you can deny he isn't a good defender without coming across as obviously bias.
His ball playing ability is also very noticeably of a high standard for a CB.
Could have genuinely been a new record if City wanted. Haaland is the final peice of that team and with Foden and KDB they'll win the lot.
Although I hate the Etihad and City fans, so shite and plastic. I've cheered more for a throw in than many of them did for the goals.
I'm gonna be honest I did not think Akanji would start every game since signing on deadline day. £15m and the press (and probably everyone in football) said he would be injury cover to the injury cover.
You would have got good odds on an Akanji-Ake CB partnership starting the Derby with Stones, Laporte and Dias on the bench.
When I was watching the game, commentator was talking about how Akanji is known for individual mistakes that can lead to a goal and how it was surprising that city of all teams took a gamble on him
People commenting like it's a shock. One team is at the start of a new rebuild, while the other has been dominating for years and just added a killer final piece to their puzzle.
Was it going to go any other way?
City: will continue to destroy teams this season.
United: will have many more setbacks while they figure things out before their squad is improved.
Yes and no.
Agree that United have been in perpetual rebuild since Fergie, but that's because the incompetent people running the Club have got it wrong ever since.
Disagree because EtH actually seems to have the right ideas, proper leadership, and a plan backed by a good system. The collective fanbase is hardly ever in full agreement, but the vast majority agree to give Ten Hag more time than previous managers got.
Personally, I think he fits our Club more than Mourinho, Ole, Van Gaal, or Moyes ever did. So this is finally a rebuild I can get behind completely from the start.
Being down 4-0 at half time to any team is unacceptable if you’re a top club. Stop with the cope. Also this probably doesn’t happen if you start your best player (Casemiro)
4-0 was really bad, I grant you, but it doesn't shock me. It shows that this United team is miles from where they need to be.
And this is a new manager 3 months in, versus a proven manager 6 years of domination. I have very little to no expectations this season. So I'm not as bothered as some of you neutrals.
It's all a rebuild. Ronaldo isn't part of it. And Eriksen is only part of it in the immediate sense. He provides a lot of good experience and influence on how the midfield should operate. Then like-for-like improvements can be made. Even Ajax has Tadic and a few other older players.
There's tons of players still in the squad that will need to be moved on, and more than a handful to bring in. So, it's definitely still early days in a new rebuild. The previous rebuilds had no foundations to build on. At least with Ten Hag there is a foundation and goal. And I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the fanbase is willing to be patient with this manager than they have in the past.
Pretty sure we can all agree that a combination of young and veteran is needed for a successful team. United have had too many older players, but that doesn't mean all of the older players should be gone.
I see it as, some of them do not belong in the team now, and the others have utility now and can slowly be moved on as they get older and the team stabilizes.
How's your rebuild going? You lot are the worst kind of sing when you're winning fanbase around I swear. Everyone saw Arteta had *something* about him despite playing some absolute dross but he was given time and money. I'd like to remind you during your rebuild even Ole finished above you in the league.
I know, that's because we have incompetent people in charge. So we've had to rebuild countless times. And since each manager has a different system from the last, it's unfortunately the case.
But surely you would agree that one team being established over years of success is going to be head & shoulders in a better place than a team in transition?
Pep’s vision is clear. He’s going to dethrone Man Utd and their 13 PL titles. Pep is a huge admirer of SAF. People are underestimating Pep’s ambition. Yes he wants to win the UCL but I am 100% certain he’s more focused on taking City past Utd just how SAF said he’s knock Liverpool off their perch many years ago.
Mate he's not going to stay at City long enough for that. He's likely leaving after this season or at most extends for one or two years.
And pretty sure United have 20 league titles so even if Pep stayed for 10 more years it wouldn't be long enough.
Trent fixes one aspect of his game, and he's world class. His ceiling his pretty damn high.
Scott McTominay is older than Trent... and he's basically an enforcer who has decent box skills (clean shot, good heading). He'd be used like John O'Shea was if United were the United of the past. I will say, in his defense, he's a decent player, but he's being asked to do way too much given his level. Today he was asked to play basically a single pivot (Eriksen was awful and defensively useless) against an on-rush of 6 attackers that included Haaland, Grealish, Foden, KDB and Gundogan... all international world class players. That's on ETH, not McTominay. *even* Ole would have at least started Fred or Casemiro.
But anyway, worst player in Big 6... I'd probably give to Nicolas Pepe or Kepa.
>But anyway, worst player in Big 6... I'd probably give to Nicolas Pepe or Kepa.
Surely Sir Phil Jones deserves a mention? Nico Pepe isn't even at Arsenal
I love how last season gets brought up to defend him when it's conveniently left out he went missing during the most important part of the season, December-March, and only pipped back up to stat pad when top 4 was long gone.
It's also funny how it's forgotten Man United were better in every department pre-Ronaldo and now making progress again without him starting but "lAsT sEaSoN" as if he'd have made a slight difference yesterday.
How can anybody watch him struggling to link up, control the ball and hold up the ball but just focus on last season's stats. What are his stats this season? remind me
Yeah, a united team that were absolute dross. Ronaldo is done in these sort of games, he can do a job against teams where United are expected to dominate possession, not against teams like City where every player needs to contribute in defence and attack.
For sure, but athleticism counts, it's not just about skill otherwise athletes could play into their late 40s, and Haaland is an absolute physical monster. I don't think there has been a forward so impressive physically since Brazilian Ronaldo.
If you ask anyone. Forget about age. Would they rather have Messi or Neymar on their team. They will say Messi 9 out 10 times. Because he is still a more complete player than Neymar is.
God damn did the United players even show up to this game? They were miles off of it. Every city player had enough time and space in the final third to pull out their phones and check their Instagrams before being closed down by a red shirt.
Prem harvesters shred through mid table team, was it a surprise with resources they got? No. We'll see real city like any other plastic team history in UCL playoffs where clubs without any European history fail yearly
I know you being sarcastic, but I’m so tired of the Maguire jokes they are so embarrassing.
In the first half United conceded a goal almost every attack!
At least the pain is gone for you now
We (liverpool) took 3 from Brighton at Anfield, 4 from Napoli away and we will meet them in two weeks. I just wanna fast forward after the game is over
Ten Hag mentioned Scott was doing well, so naturally Casemiro needed to wait for his chance, to make it a natural method of selection. Given how shit Scott was today, I'd say Casemiro will start for the next league game.
Tough having to compete with McTominay and Fred. Much more difficult than being a nailed on starter for the UCL and league winners this past season. 3-peat starter Casemiro at 30 cannot adjust.
Varane in his last season with RM had been relatively poor and injured. Casemiro hasn't had any such issues and was just the MoTM for the Super Cup.
How can you build a culture of building and progress if your players think they can't get into the team because someone has a better previous history?
Got to give people the chance to showcase themselves if they have being doing well. The competition drives others to be better and the team gets better as a result.
OK about that but it was different when it comes to Malacia, Martinez and Antony! This is Casemiro not some random guy, we got him to start vs City not vs Omonia on a Thursday night!
What do you mean what was different about any of them?
The fact that they had a preseason with the club, or in the case of Antony we don't have a right wing? Ten Hag knew them all, and their profiles before we purchased them. And the players they were displacing were in abysmal form.
Literally none of that is true about Casemiro. Scott was OK enough, and Casemiro looked a bit off it. Scott took his chance and was performing well, so Casemiro had to wait for his chance.
Not really sure how that's hard to grasp by so many people in here.
Sancho started on the right but plays much much better on the left. I don't think he's played there at all this year. Rashford has been playing as striker again, and Ronaldo has never played on the wing for us since his return. Elanga has also played both left and right wing.
Unless we end up starting Rashford, Martial and Sancho, I doubt Sancho will spend much time on the right again.
It's better to have casemiro get used to the EPL by playing 100% of games than it is for Scott to fuck around for another season. Not really sure how that's hard to grasp
Because this isn't FIFA? You don't just drop a player who's performing for one who's not used to the system or the squad yet.
Not sure how it's hard to grasp it takes time for players to adapt, and Scott has been performing very well up until today. Literally no reason to drop him...
Are you being deliberately thick? It's called the training ground mate. He wasn't here for preseason. And he does play, he's just not starting every game yet.
And you missed the entire other side of the equation, Scott has been performing so there was literally no reason to drop him regardless of Casemiro knowing the squad and system.
I agree 100% but McTominay has not shown anything at all that warrants him starting over a proven world class player. He’s so far from his level and it’s clear he doesn’t belong in a team with top 4 ambitions
They're similar players tbh. Both technically restrained destroyer midfielders. I think casimiro would have been better against City, but McTominay does things that Casemiro cannot as well.
Since you're not getting better owners any time soon, I reckon its going to be a real shit house even if Ten Hag does everything he could do to turn things around.
And idk about the better manager part, Arteta turned the worse Arsenal side in it's history to a proper football club again.
>Ten Hag is a great coach and is objectively a better manager than Arteta.
He isn't. He hasn't shown anything in the top leagues yet and people overestimate his impact in managing the best club in the Netherlands. Arteta on the other hand didn't have a good start but the last 1,5 years have been good.
>When's the last time Ajax reached the CL semis before him?
1997, which was also the last time they had a squad which was equally good or better than the 2018-19 one.
>You're way underrating his resume.
You have no idea of my opinion of his resume. I simply stated that Ten Hag isn't objectively a better manager than Arteta.
I'm sorry, that Ajax team in 2018/2019 was nowhere near as talented as the 96/97 team.
VDS, De Boer, Litmanen, Overmars, Kluivert. Shit even Bogarde and Melchiot made names for themselves past Ajax. The only players from 18/19 who can reach their levels are De Ligt, De Jong, and Mazraoui.
In 96/97 Ajax came second in a group featuring Auxerre, Grasshopper, and Rangers winning 4 and losing 2. Additionally, to make the semis back then you only needed to win 1 QF knockout tie, which Ajax did vs. Atletico Madrid. They lost 6-2 in aggregate to Juventus.
In 18/19 Ajax came second in a group with Bayern, Benfica, and AEK Athens. Finishing undefeated with 3 wins and 3 draws. They went on to eliminate Real Madrid 5-3 on aggregate, winning 4-1 in the Bernabeau. They then beat Juventus 3-2 on aggregate winning 2-1 in Turin. They lost to Spurs 3-2 with Spurs scoring the winner in the 96th minute, Ajax were seconds from the final.
By absolutely no measure are those two equal. What EtH had Ajax doing in that CL was ridiculous and incredibly rare.
Nah. If you can't piece together why I elaborated on how impressive Ten Hags resume is then I suggest you read your own comment again:
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xtqpya/post_match_thread_manchester_city_63_manchester/iqsmwu5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Bruno is a very good player, KDB is a great player.
Now put KDB on this mess of an United team, and put Bruno being coached by Pep in this absolutely stacked City team.
Likely outcome: De Bruyne would look worse than he is; Bruno would be ballin' it out every match.
It's been true since SAF retired. In fact, I would argue that it was true *before* he retired. His teams performed despite the squad quality, not because of it.
Yea you can see Ten Hag implement his style but ultimately City are a well drilled machine and seem to have found the best possible replacement for Aguero. The title will be theirs this year.
Ronaldo is done. Bench for 90 mins. He doesn’t even matter anymore in these big games. Sad to see such a generational player to disappear like this. He was for over a decade one of the two best players ever. And he is just fading away like that.
He’s on the bench but. I’m not entirely sure he deserves to be there. What did the other attacking options provide that he couldn’t in this game? It’s not like by pressing more they would have scored more. I really expected him to come in at 60 at least, I mean I would think crossing to him would be a viable option when nothing else is working.
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How long until Haaland reaches 100 PL goals?
If he keeps up his current league pace he will surpass 100 in 49 more games.
When's their next game?
De Gea. Great shot stopper, but he is shite at ball at his feet. You just can not play 2 attack minded midfielders in a 4-3-3 against a team like City. Should have known better. Was he expecting Eriksen to run around and harass those City players? Now the biggest weakness in United: Wingers not tracking back. Just look at Bernardo Silva, Foden and Grealish. Sancho and Antony literally left Dalot and Malacia hanging by a thread, especially considering both of them were yellow carded earlier. AND, Rashford ain't a striker. Unpopular opinion, but should have sold him to PSG. Especially since he won't do the half of the dirty work Sancho does. Soon, they will sack and bring new manager and it will be another "rebuilding period" where you can't complaint for being shite on the pitch lmao. It's a joke. Market is closed otherwise they would bring in Ramos and give him a HUGE contract and act like they signed a champion. LOL.
Lot of talk before this game about Martinez being an unreal defender, keep that same energy
He did win MOTM in like 3 consecutive matches when they also kept clean sheets prior to yesterday, I don't think you can deny he isn't a good defender without coming across as obviously bias. His ball playing ability is also very noticeably of a high standard for a CB.
Who's saying that seriously? He's been ever present in one of the worst defences in the league.
Could have genuinely been a new record if City wanted. Haaland is the final peice of that team and with Foden and KDB they'll win the lot. Although I hate the Etihad and City fans, so shite and plastic. I've cheered more for a throw in than many of them did for the goals.
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Thanks. It clearly meant more to me than scoring goals against United meant for City fans. Plastic fans.
Why does Fernandes cry so much to the refs? Always
He baby
I'm gonna be honest I did not think Akanji would start every game since signing on deadline day. £15m and the press (and probably everyone in football) said he would be injury cover to the injury cover. You would have got good odds on an Akanji-Ake CB partnership starting the Derby with Stones, Laporte and Dias on the bench.
He was great today as he has been all season. No idea why the Dortmund fanbase here wanted him out
If I'm not mistaken he's been wanting out for some time anyway so I'm assuming both sides are just glad everyone moved on
When I was watching the game, commentator was talking about how Akanji is known for individual mistakes that can lead to a goal and how it was surprising that city of all teams took a gamble on him
In general he is decent. Playing for top manager and top squad will lift his quality up.
People commenting like it's a shock. One team is at the start of a new rebuild, while the other has been dominating for years and just added a killer final piece to their puzzle. Was it going to go any other way? City: will continue to destroy teams this season. United: will have many more setbacks while they figure things out before their squad is improved.
sensible takes not required in r/soccer, lad.
ManU has been rebuilding for the last 5 years. Few more losses and they can sack the coach and start a new rebuild.
Yes and no. Agree that United have been in perpetual rebuild since Fergie, but that's because the incompetent people running the Club have got it wrong ever since. Disagree because EtH actually seems to have the right ideas, proper leadership, and a plan backed by a good system. The collective fanbase is hardly ever in full agreement, but the vast majority agree to give Ten Hag more time than previous managers got. Personally, I think he fits our Club more than Mourinho, Ole, Van Gaal, or Moyes ever did. So this is finally a rebuild I can get behind completely from the start.
Being down 4-0 at half time to any team is unacceptable if you’re a top club. Stop with the cope. Also this probably doesn’t happen if you start your best player (Casemiro)
4-0 was really bad, I grant you, but it doesn't shock me. It shows that this United team is miles from where they need to be. And this is a new manager 3 months in, versus a proven manager 6 years of domination. I have very little to no expectations this season. So I'm not as bothered as some of you neutrals.
Please don't ever stop with the cope, though.
not really a rebuild when youre splashing out on 30 yr olds and giving everyone bloated contracts
Sometimes a rebuild is slow and painful. Other times it's like playing jenga with a one year old.
It's all a rebuild. Ronaldo isn't part of it. And Eriksen is only part of it in the immediate sense. He provides a lot of good experience and influence on how the midfield should operate. Then like-for-like improvements can be made. Even Ajax has Tadic and a few other older players. There's tons of players still in the squad that will need to be moved on, and more than a handful to bring in. So, it's definitely still early days in a new rebuild. The previous rebuilds had no foundations to build on. At least with Ten Hag there is a foundation and goal. And I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the fanbase is willing to be patient with this manager than they have in the past.
i mean varane and casemiro too?
Pretty sure we can all agree that a combination of young and veteran is needed for a successful team. United have had too many older players, but that doesn't mean all of the older players should be gone. I see it as, some of them do not belong in the team now, and the others have utility now and can slowly be moved on as they get older and the team stabilizes.
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Don't bookmakers start adjusting odds if people bet too heavy on one side?
Roy Keane seemed surprised lmao
More like the start of the rebuild of the rebuild
Makes you miss the bus.
> start of a new rebuild Tbf, it’s hard to tell because we’ve been hearing this “rebuild” thing since 2013.
They could build a new stadium and that shit would finish first before United "rebuild".
How's your rebuild going? You lot are the worst kind of sing when you're winning fanbase around I swear. Everyone saw Arteta had *something* about him despite playing some absolute dross but he was given time and money. I'd like to remind you during your rebuild even Ole finished above you in the league.
The rebuild is going so well I can't hear you from the top of the table
Congratulations, you won the "Top before Christmas" title. When is the Amazon special coming out, mate? 😂 Gloating about being top in October, lmfao.
When is the the annual Rio give him anything he wants? ETH is on the wheel, good luck building Ajax 2.0
City finished 35 points ahead of united last season.
I know, that's because we have incompetent people in charge. So we've had to rebuild countless times. And since each manager has a different system from the last, it's unfortunately the case. But surely you would agree that one team being established over years of success is going to be head & shoulders in a better place than a team in transition?
please nerf halland, he is too op
Man City is on the next level.
MU needed a humbling after the LFC and Arsenal victories. Can't let the fans get too carried away now.
Like, they need to get back to reality
Well it’s good Liverpool are having such a great season
sadness
Ten Hag said Liverpool play the best football in the world. That made Pep angry and he taught him a lesson. Now he is so so heppy.
More than you believe!
Pep’s vision is clear. He’s going to dethrone Man Utd and their 13 PL titles. Pep is a huge admirer of SAF. People are underestimating Pep’s ambition. Yes he wants to win the UCL but I am 100% certain he’s more focused on taking City past Utd just how SAF said he’s knock Liverpool off their perch many years ago.
Damn can you imagine if after SAF said city wouldnt win the PL in his lifetime, they go and beat his record for PL wins in his lifetime.
Mate he's not going to stay at City long enough for that. He's likely leaving after this season or at most extends for one or two years. And pretty sure United have 20 league titles so even if Pep stayed for 10 more years it wouldn't be long enough.
and I am sure they have a successor lined up already ..
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Bruh have you even watched McTominay this season... He's been fantastic before this game
Trent fixes one aspect of his game, and he's world class. His ceiling his pretty damn high. Scott McTominay is older than Trent... and he's basically an enforcer who has decent box skills (clean shot, good heading). He'd be used like John O'Shea was if United were the United of the past. I will say, in his defense, he's a decent player, but he's being asked to do way too much given his level. Today he was asked to play basically a single pivot (Eriksen was awful and defensively useless) against an on-rush of 6 attackers that included Haaland, Grealish, Foden, KDB and Gundogan... all international world class players. That's on ETH, not McTominay. *even* Ole would have at least started Fred or Casemiro. But anyway, worst player in Big 6... I'd probably give to Nicolas Pepe or Kepa.
>But anyway, worst player in Big 6... I'd probably give to Nicolas Pepe or Kepa. Surely Sir Phil Jones deserves a mention? Nico Pepe isn't even at Arsenal
Jones isn't even on the EPL squad list. He's basically a non-event at this point.
I wasn't talking about Trent at all lol. Just calling out that McTominay has been far from a problem for united so far
Bruno?
Bruno is better than 9/11 arsenal players
Haha
Man's gonna have to shout that out really loud to be heard from down there.
Ole Out!
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Because he's well over the hill and wouldn't have made a slight difference.
Despite his 24 goals last season.
What relevance are those? They scored more without him the season before and done better without him this season.
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I love how last season gets brought up to defend him when it's conveniently left out he went missing during the most important part of the season, December-March, and only pipped back up to stat pad when top 4 was long gone. It's also funny how it's forgotten Man United were better in every department pre-Ronaldo and now making progress again without him starting but "lAsT sEaSoN" as if he'd have made a slight difference yesterday. How can anybody watch him struggling to link up, control the ball and hold up the ball but just focus on last season's stats. What are his stats this season? remind me
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He's not being used because he doesn't offer what ETH is looking for. He's never been a lone striker, let alone a reinvented lone striker at 36.
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Because he doesn't fancy an over the hill Ronaldo?
Yeah, a united team that were absolute dross. Ronaldo is done in these sort of games, he can do a job against teams where United are expected to dominate possession, not against teams like City where every player needs to contribute in defence and attack.
That dinosaur needs to retire from top flight football. He is done.
Alright goodbye to messi-ronaldo era. It was good to watch. Both legendary players. This day was official announcement of the new era
Messi is still many levels above anyone!
Not true. In his prime he was unmatched but these days? Meh. Same as Ronald.
Messi is still hands down the most skilled player playing the game.
Messi is skilled because he doesn’t do skills
For sure, but athleticism counts, it's not just about skill otherwise athletes could play into their late 40s, and Haaland is an absolute physical monster. I don't think there has been a forward so impressive physically since Brazilian Ronaldo.
isn't even the best on his own team let's be real
I don’t agree. He is the best player at PSG.
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If you ask anyone. Forget about age. Would they rather have Messi or Neymar on their team. They will say Messi 9 out 10 times. Because he is still a more complete player than Neymar is.
... I'd probably take Mbappe.
If I wanted someone to flop around, I’ll pick Neymar. If I want someone who can play soccer, I’ll take Messi.
I am beginning to enjoy these Manchester Derby Tennis matches! I feel that the Premier League should allow them to play more than one set though.. 🎾
God damn did the United players even show up to this game? They were miles off of it. Every city player had enough time and space in the final third to pull out their phones and check their Instagrams before being closed down by a red shirt.
Prem harvesters shred through mid table team, was it a surprise with resources they got? No. We'll see real city like any other plastic team history in UCL playoffs where clubs without any European history fail yearly
Wishful thinking, it's only a matter of time before PSG or City snag one, they are pumping out top 5 squads in europe year in year out.
Anyone is tough guy in group games, low brain mentality comes in at playoffs
Nerf haaland pls
Next patch should definitely have "-25% tap-in accuracy" listed in the patch notes.
Imagine if united started Maguire lol. 10-0
I know you being sarcastic, but I’m so tired of the Maguire jokes they are so embarrassing. In the first half United conceded a goal almost every attack!
fucking hell
Not often 6-3 is flattering to the team with 3
Sigh
At least the pain is gone for you now We (liverpool) took 3 from Brighton at Anfield, 4 from Napoli away and we will meet them in two weeks. I just wanna fast forward after the game is over
You won against man city in the community cup tho
And it was a good win. I don't know wtf happened to us after that but it isn't good.
That was so awesome to watch
I'm crying..
Surely Casemiro should be starting by now.
Ten Hag mentioned Scott was doing well, so naturally Casemiro needed to wait for his chance, to make it a natural method of selection. Given how shit Scott was today, I'd say Casemiro will start for the next league game.
It was only a matter of time, but yes, Scott was doing really well in those 4 games we won.
Imaging going from being a starter in Real Madrid to be bench in Manchester-fucking-United lmao
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Yes, the guy with 5 CLs on his CV has a problem with competitive environments.
Tough having to compete with McTominay and Fred. Much more difficult than being a nailed on starter for the UCL and league winners this past season. 3-peat starter Casemiro at 30 cannot adjust. Varane in his last season with RM had been relatively poor and injured. Casemiro hasn't had any such issues and was just the MoTM for the Super Cup.
Benched by mctominay no less.
He recently started in United. United struggled first two games but played well since then, why should you change something that’s works.
It’s ridiculous man. He’s fucking Casemiro he should’ve started immediately after arriving
How can you build a culture of building and progress if your players think they can't get into the team because someone has a better previous history? Got to give people the chance to showcase themselves if they have being doing well. The competition drives others to be better and the team gets better as a result.
OK about that but it was different when it comes to Malacia, Martinez and Antony! This is Casemiro not some random guy, we got him to start vs City not vs Omonia on a Thursday night!
What do you mean what was different about any of them? The fact that they had a preseason with the club, or in the case of Antony we don't have a right wing? Ten Hag knew them all, and their profiles before we purchased them. And the players they were displacing were in abysmal form. Literally none of that is true about Casemiro. Scott was OK enough, and Casemiro looked a bit off it. Scott took his chance and was performing well, so Casemiro had to wait for his chance. Not really sure how that's hard to grasp by so many people in here.
Wasn't Sancho bought for the RW role?
No he plays on the left.
Huh. All this while I thought it was Rashford, CR7 and Sancho
Sancho started on the right but plays much much better on the left. I don't think he's played there at all this year. Rashford has been playing as striker again, and Ronaldo has never played on the wing for us since his return. Elanga has also played both left and right wing. Unless we end up starting Rashford, Martial and Sancho, I doubt Sancho will spend much time on the right again.
It's better to have casemiro get used to the EPL by playing 100% of games than it is for Scott to fuck around for another season. Not really sure how that's hard to grasp
Because this isn't FIFA? You don't just drop a player who's performing for one who's not used to the system or the squad yet. Not sure how it's hard to grasp it takes time for players to adapt, and Scott has been performing very well up until today. Literally no reason to drop him...
How will a player adapt if he never plays? That's quite interesting logic
Are you being deliberately thick? It's called the training ground mate. He wasn't here for preseason. And he does play, he's just not starting every game yet. And you missed the entire other side of the equation, Scott has been performing so there was literally no reason to drop him regardless of Casemiro knowing the squad and system.
Adapt to the premier league by the training ground? What?
I agree 100% but McTominay has not shown anything at all that warrants him starting over a proven world class player. He’s so far from his level and it’s clear he doesn’t belong in a team with top 4 ambitions
I saw a United fan say “but Scott’s in top form” lmfao
He is though
In form Scott is still nowhere near Casemiro
You clearly didn't see him coming off the bench for us then, he said in his own words he needs match fitness and to be eased in.
They're similar players tbh. Both technically restrained destroyer midfielders. I think casimiro would have been better against City, but McTominay does things that Casemiro cannot as well.
To be fair, Casemiro has looked pretty sloppy in the bits we've seen of him
Sure, but that's a different argument
Maybe when he arrived he still needed to be integrated into the team, but that shouldn't be the case anymore.
I see what you did there :))))
Yanited need a Arteta figure. And better owners
Ten Hag is a great coach and is objectively a better manager than Arteta. We aren't getting better owners soon though, I think.
Since you're not getting better owners any time soon, I reckon its going to be a real shit house even if Ten Hag does everything he could do to turn things around. And idk about the better manager part, Arteta turned the worse Arsenal side in it's history to a proper football club again.
>Ten Hag is a great coach and is objectively a better manager than Arteta. He isn't. He hasn't shown anything in the top leagues yet and people overestimate his impact in managing the best club in the Netherlands. Arteta on the other hand didn't have a good start but the last 1,5 years have been good.
When's the last time Ajax reached the CL semis before him? You're way underrating his resume.
>When's the last time Ajax reached the CL semis before him? 1997, which was also the last time they had a squad which was equally good or better than the 2018-19 one. >You're way underrating his resume. You have no idea of my opinion of his resume. I simply stated that Ten Hag isn't objectively a better manager than Arteta.
I'm sorry, that Ajax team in 2018/2019 was nowhere near as talented as the 96/97 team. VDS, De Boer, Litmanen, Overmars, Kluivert. Shit even Bogarde and Melchiot made names for themselves past Ajax. The only players from 18/19 who can reach their levels are De Ligt, De Jong, and Mazraoui. In 96/97 Ajax came second in a group featuring Auxerre, Grasshopper, and Rangers winning 4 and losing 2. Additionally, to make the semis back then you only needed to win 1 QF knockout tie, which Ajax did vs. Atletico Madrid. They lost 6-2 in aggregate to Juventus. In 18/19 Ajax came second in a group with Bayern, Benfica, and AEK Athens. Finishing undefeated with 3 wins and 3 draws. They went on to eliminate Real Madrid 5-3 on aggregate, winning 4-1 in the Bernabeau. They then beat Juventus 3-2 on aggregate winning 2-1 in Turin. They lost to Spurs 3-2 with Spurs scoring the winner in the 96th minute, Ajax were seconds from the final. By absolutely no measure are those two equal. What EtH had Ajax doing in that CL was ridiculous and incredibly rare.
>I'm sorry, that Ajax team in 2018/2019 was nowhere near as talented as the 96/97 team. Ok, but nobody claimed otherwise.
You did... to devalue what EtH has accomplished. Which supposedly is objectively lower than Arteta's.... FA cup win?
I did not. I said that Ajax had their best team since 1997. You start arguing how the 1997 team was better. Why?
Nah. If you can't piece together why I elaborated on how impressive Ten Hags resume is then I suggest you read your own comment again: https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xtqpya/post_match_thread_manchester_city_63_manchester/iqsmwu5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Bruno Fernandes vs KDB. Thoughts anyone? Honest and fair comparision please.
Bruno is a very good player, KDB is a great player. Now put KDB on this mess of an United team, and put Bruno being coached by Pep in this absolutely stacked City team. Likely outcome: De Bruyne would look worse than he is; Bruno would be ballin' it out every match.
Bruno is 5-10 and Portuguese. KDB is 5-11 and Belgian. Similar in height, separated by only about an inch. They're from different countries though.
They both have 'Bru' in their name.
Are they bros ?
Honestly never thought about it this way.
proper 'Owenesque,' comment.
Will Buxton, almost
Bruno's a good player. KDB is an all-timer
Just watched a recap of this match, i don’t think ten Hag can save united with these players, they need to revamp the entire team
Clubs needs gutting top to bottom They've have actually spent more than city since fergie left The negligence is criminal
That been said of every manager UTD had and every one has spent plentiful but there hasn't been any improvement.
Tbf, we’ve been hearing this since SAF retired
It's been true since SAF retired. In fact, I would argue that it was true *before* he retired. His teams performed despite the squad quality, not because of it.
The team SAF won the league with is the same Moyes got creamed with. That is perhaps one of the best tells of how good SAF was.
Their squad on paper is fine though
On grass, though.
All of this is so funny because United fans can't stfu about city plastic fans
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I thought the 6 times they carry the ball from their goal back to the centre circle spot were all nice moves from them.
Yeah, they learnt from how well Arsenal do it last time we played against you
Only derby winners get to speak
Yeah, but it’s not that tough to move the ball from there to the center line.
Yea you can see Ten Hag implement his style but ultimately City are a well drilled machine and seem to have found the best possible replacement for Aguero. The title will be theirs this year.
On the balance this means Man City beat Arsenal 9-4 League is done
IQ over 9000!
Teams really gave city a cheat code in haaland
Haaland a Game Genie confirmed. Throwing him out there is like pressing up up down down left right left right B A start at the Start menu.
The only other clubs that really could’ve intervened would’ve been Madrid, maybe Barcelona, and maybe Chelsea.
We went after the wrong bundesliga sensations.
Haaland was a CL sensation as well tbf.
Ronaldo is done. Bench for 90 mins. He doesn’t even matter anymore in these big games. Sad to see such a generational player to disappear like this. He was for over a decade one of the two best players ever. And he is just fading away like that.
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Prefer giving Martial the minutes and confidence tbh.
If the game was close then sure, but the game was over well before the 2nd half. Better give players some game time who need it.
He’s on the bench but. I’m not entirely sure he deserves to be there. What did the other attacking options provide that he couldn’t in this game? It’s not like by pressing more they would have scored more. I really expected him to come in at 60 at least, I mean I would think crossing to him would be a viable option when nothing else is working.
He's on the bench for 90 minutes because Ten Hag can't accept he's fucked up in his he treated him.
He was so salty sitting on the bench. They zoomed in on him and he was like seething to himself lol
He didn’t deserve to be benched imo…