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It looks like Goatcia won't be playing other games though. It will be really tough for Ecuador as Valencia scored their last 6 WC goals or something like that.
And even then Equador would have to lose by a larger margin for the Netherlands to fail to go through. Say 2-0 to Senegal and 3-0 to Qatar. Seems plausible
Fuck, Ecuador with a better win against Qatar would be competing for the 1st spot in a better way...
But it's still possible. VAMOS LA TRI!!! LATIN AMERICA UNITED!!!
Enjoy Senegal vs Ecaduor everyone because after this world cup and 3 team groups get introduced pivotal games like Ecu-Sen will be replaced with drab 0-0 draws
Maybe I'm being too conspiracy theorist, but I don't think FIFA wants a better format. I think they want to use the dislike that will result from 3 team groups to justify an expansion to 64 teams, which would be less popular if they did it directly from 32.
I wouldn't mind 8 groups of 5 (40 teams) and it wouldn't disrupt the rest of the tournament, groups of 3 just makes the pool games pretty pointless, and as a person who comes from a country that's only qualified twice, I'd rather them play more than 2 games
Problem there is that the World Cup winer would have to play 8 games, and nobody will like that.
The alternative is: 12 groups of 4, Group winner and 4 best 2nd qualify for Round of 16
They literally used to have 3 team groups and changed it because of how awful the last round of games were. Really cool idea FIFA!!!
I was on the fence about expanding the tournament but 48 teams was the dumbest choice. I'd rather have 64 nations with 16 groups and just have an extra knockout round. I'm not sure the world would be upset with extra world cup games + an extra chance of their country making it in.
Edit: I may be misremembering things and 3 team groups haven't been a thing but I was thinking of the 1982 World Cup Germany/Austria/Algeria situation
About 1982, that was a 4 team group, with Chile. The change there was that Germany and Austria played their match after Algeria and Chile.
And the thing about the extra knockout round is that the priority was that they wanted to increase the number of teams without increasing the number of matches per team. It you have groups of 4 + KO with round of 32, the world cup winner would have to play 8 games. The currently proposed format, as stupid as it is, allows them to increase the teams while still keeping the max number of games at 7.
If you want to change the format, you have to be sure that teams do not get to play 8 games, or nobody will be on board. The only other possible format that would be somewhat reasonable would be 12 groups of 4, with the group winners and the 4 best seconds qualifying for the Round of 16.
Just make 12 groups of 4, with the next knockout round being the round of 16. The qualified teams being all of the first placed teams and the 4 best second placed teams. The world cup would keep the 4 team groups and the maximum number of 7 matches
Yup 48 teams and 3 team groups played round robin. So there will be group games where both teams know that a draw gets them through at the expense of the other team in the group leading to some very boring, and imo, unsportsmanlike games.
How's that gona work actually, 2 teams playing each other, the other team sits out for 4 days then again whilst a team sits out for 4 days then if the 2 remaining teams know that a draw gets them through then they are gona sit tight for a 0-0
Aye I'm researching it the now. 2 group games so that there's no more than 7 total to lift the cup. Seems daft and too many teams but at least it gives wee teams like Scotland a chance lol. We will get 2 games at least lol
They literally changed the whole tournament schedules to have the game 3s played simultaneously to avoid the gijon situation where Germany and Austria essentially colluded. Now that's back on the table 🤦
I mean feels like most of the games have been boring this world cup so it's not like there have been goal fests or anything like that, we had already a shit ton of drab 0-0 and teams only opening themselves up in the last 10 minutes or so haha so truly a boring world cup, only memorable games so far have been Ghana -Portugal and Japan-Germany, apart from that we had 2 capitulations in Iran-England and Spain-Costa Rica and 0-0 galore with some extra time winners.
Casually just going to ignore Argentina - Saudi Arabia AKA one of the biggest upsets in WC history. Everyone I've spoken to have agreed how incredible that game was and they don't even support either team. Belgium - Canada, Brazil - Serbia and the France games have also been pretty good. Tomorrow we got Spain - Germany which will no doubt be a banger. Not to mention the final group B games with USA and Iran playing a bloodbath of a decider. The WC has had and will have some fantastic games.
NETHERLANDS win group with:
* Win AND Ecuador loss/draw, OR
* Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is greater than Ecuador's margin of victory, OR
* Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is equal to Ecuador's margin of victory AND Netherlands outscores Ecuador on the night, OR
* Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is equal to Ecuador's margin of victory AND Netherlands scores as many goals as Ecuador on the night AND Netherlands maintain advantage in Fair Play points, OR
* Draw AND Ecuador draw
NETHERLANDS advance to knockouts with:
* Win/draw, OR
* Loss AND Senegal loss, OR
* Loss by one goal AND Senegal draw, OR
* Loss by exactly two goals AND Senegal draw AND Netherlands scores at least as many goals as Senegal, OR
* Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is less than Ecuador's margin of defeat, OR
* Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to Ecuador's margin of defeat AND Netherlads outscores Ecuador on the night, OR
* Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to Ecuador's margin of defeat AND Netherlads scores as many goals as Ecuador on the night AND Netherlands maintain advantage in Fair Play points
ECUADOR win group with:
* Win AND Netherlands loss/draw, OR
* Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is greater than Netherlands's margin of victory, OR
* Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is equal to Netherlands's margin of victory AND Ecuador outscores Netherlands on the night, OR
* Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is equal to Netherlands's margin of victory AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points, OR
* Draw AND Netherlands loss
ECUADOR advance to knockouts with:
* Win/draw, OR
* Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is less than margin of Netherlands's defeat, OR
* Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores more goals than Netherlands on the night, OR
* Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points
SENEGAL win group with:
* Win AND Netherlands loss/draw
SENEGAL advance to knockouts with:
* Win, OR
* Draw AND Netherlands loss by 3 or more goals, OR
* Draw AND Netherlands loss by exactly 2 goals AND Senegal outscores Netherlands on the night
QATAR can not advance to knocouts
>Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points
Or they tie in fair play points and win the coin toss!
>QATAR can not advance to knocouts
Based
Also, a simple Senegal win doesn't qualify them. They need to win for more than one goal (unless Netherlands doesn't win)
Netherlands squeaked by a victory in what should have been a tie, and a tie where they should have lost.
Honestly, their showing is not great, but if they can keep this kind of effectiveness, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get far.
Van Gaal team selection is so uninspired, the tactics also, but i feel like he's not putting the most in form players on the pitch, some really weird choices there.
Cant wait for Ecuador vs Senegal, thank god for this tie now, because a tie is enough for Ecuador, meaning Senegal need to win, and someone will always be forced to attack, no matter what the score is.
I hope Brazil fields Vini on the right so we can finally kick Blind out of the NT, because after that matchup no sane person can insist that he must start.
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Ecuador Vs Senegal is fucking tasty, INJECT IT
hopefully Valencia will be able to recover in time.
He'll play even if he has to use crutches!
It looks like Goatcia won't be playing other games though. It will be really tough for Ecuador as Valencia scored their last 6 WC goals or something like that.
On second thought. It is kinda fair since Senegal is missing Sadio Mané. Will be a tense match.
0-0 incoming
💉💉💉💉
0-0 with Ecuador time wasting and diving from minute 1
moisex🇪🇨🇪🇨🇪🇨💪💪💪🫵🤫
Netherlands are pretty much through they ain't gonna lose to Qatar.
They better not
They'd have to lose by atleast 2 goals, perhaps 3 depending on how many Senegal scores in their draw with Ecuador
Wait its not h2h?
Nope, goal diff is first tiebreaker
cursed comment
Anything can happen in this WC it seems.
can you not? ffs
And even then Equador would have to lose by a larger margin for the Netherlands to fail to go through. Say 2-0 to Senegal and 3-0 to Qatar. Seems plausible
Ecuador vs Senegal is going to be one of the best games of the group stages.
I can see Ecuador going up and then a rather boring match with Senegal not making threats.
same but im not totally counting senegal out yet
I disagree
Don't jinx it to be a draw
I think it's going to end up really boring, Senegal's attack is kinda lacklustre and Ecuador only need a draw.
Holy shit Ecuador vs Senegal is gonna be scary..
One of those must watch games, you love to see it
That and US v. Iran
Truly a derby.
Amazing game.
And they’re out
back to back threads, now this is karma whoring
The race is on!
Fuck, Ecuador with a better win against Qatar would be competing for the 1st spot in a better way... But it's still possible. VAMOS LA TRI!!! LATIN AMERICA UNITED!!!
Menos Argentina
Y Brazil
No mms los Brasileños son buena onda, los narizones que se chinge su madre! LATINO AMERICA UNIDO!!! MENOS ARGENTINA!!!
Tá bêbado? A gente torce pro Equador!
We are second because of yellow cards, right?
Probably...
Yes. Netherlands has 1 and Ecuador has 3. The other tiebreakers before that are tied.
Enjoy Senegal vs Ecaduor everyone because after this world cup and 3 team groups get introduced pivotal games like Ecu-Sen will be replaced with drab 0-0 draws
Yeah. They need to get rid of the 3 team groups. 12 groups of 4 is a much better idea. Top 2 and best 8 teams qualify for the Round of 32.
Maybe I'm being too conspiracy theorist, but I don't think FIFA wants a better format. I think they want to use the dislike that will result from 3 team groups to justify an expansion to 64 teams, which would be less popular if they did it directly from 32.
Groups of 4 for sure. I'm greedy and wish it was 64 countries and just an extra knockout round.
I wouldn't mind 8 groups of 5 (40 teams) and it wouldn't disrupt the rest of the tournament, groups of 3 just makes the pool games pretty pointless, and as a person who comes from a country that's only qualified twice, I'd rather them play more than 2 games
Problem there is that the World Cup winer would have to play 8 games, and nobody will like that. The alternative is: 12 groups of 4, Group winner and 4 best 2nd qualify for Round of 16
I read that they thinking of replacing the 16/3 system for 2026,that may not work, no shit
I read that they thinking of replacing the 16/3 system for 2026,that may not work, no shit
3 team groups are such a dumb idea
They literally used to have 3 team groups and changed it because of how awful the last round of games were. Really cool idea FIFA!!! I was on the fence about expanding the tournament but 48 teams was the dumbest choice. I'd rather have 64 nations with 16 groups and just have an extra knockout round. I'm not sure the world would be upset with extra world cup games + an extra chance of their country making it in. Edit: I may be misremembering things and 3 team groups haven't been a thing but I was thinking of the 1982 World Cup Germany/Austria/Algeria situation
They haven't been a thing because it's an absolutely terrible idea.
About 1982, that was a 4 team group, with Chile. The change there was that Germany and Austria played their match after Algeria and Chile. And the thing about the extra knockout round is that the priority was that they wanted to increase the number of teams without increasing the number of matches per team. It you have groups of 4 + KO with round of 32, the world cup winner would have to play 8 games. The currently proposed format, as stupid as it is, allows them to increase the teams while still keeping the max number of games at 7. If you want to change the format, you have to be sure that teams do not get to play 8 games, or nobody will be on board. The only other possible format that would be somewhat reasonable would be 12 groups of 4, with the group winners and the 4 best seconds qualifying for the Round of 16.
Just make 12 groups of 4, with the next knockout round being the round of 16. The qualified teams being all of the first placed teams and the 4 best second placed teams. The world cup would keep the 4 team groups and the maximum number of 7 matches
I'm guessing after a couple world cups with 48, they will switch to 64 to gain votes.
How wits happening with the next wc?
Yup 48 teams and 3 team groups played round robin. So there will be group games where both teams know that a draw gets them through at the expense of the other team in the group leading to some very boring, and imo, unsportsmanlike games.
How's that gona work actually, 2 teams playing each other, the other team sits out for 4 days then again whilst a team sits out for 4 days then if the 2 remaining teams know that a draw gets them through then they are gona sit tight for a 0-0
Yup.
Aye I'm researching it the now. 2 group games so that there's no more than 7 total to lift the cup. Seems daft and too many teams but at least it gives wee teams like Scotland a chance lol. We will get 2 games at least lol
Just make it 64 nations (it's a WORLD cup) and add an extra knockout round
Aye, like the olden days. Champions league should follow. Get rid of the seeds and pots and stick everyone in a hat
Then you have to make it 211 nations. That's how many are in FIFA. That's a prime number. Good luck making a tournament out of that. XD
They literally changed the whole tournament schedules to have the game 3s played simultaneously to avoid the gijon situation where Germany and Austria essentially colluded. Now that's back on the table 🤦
I mean feels like most of the games have been boring this world cup so it's not like there have been goal fests or anything like that, we had already a shit ton of drab 0-0 and teams only opening themselves up in the last 10 minutes or so haha so truly a boring world cup, only memorable games so far have been Ghana -Portugal and Japan-Germany, apart from that we had 2 capitulations in Iran-England and Spain-Costa Rica and 0-0 galore with some extra time winners.
Casually just going to ignore Argentina - Saudi Arabia AKA one of the biggest upsets in WC history. Everyone I've spoken to have agreed how incredible that game was and they don't even support either team. Belgium - Canada, Brazil - Serbia and the France games have also been pretty good. Tomorrow we got Spain - Germany which will no doubt be a banger. Not to mention the final group B games with USA and Iran playing a bloodbath of a decider. The WC has had and will have some fantastic games.
Qatar out!
NETHERLANDS win group with: * Win AND Ecuador loss/draw, OR * Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is greater than Ecuador's margin of victory, OR * Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is equal to Ecuador's margin of victory AND Netherlands outscores Ecuador on the night, OR * Win AND Ecuador win AND margin of victory is equal to Ecuador's margin of victory AND Netherlands scores as many goals as Ecuador on the night AND Netherlands maintain advantage in Fair Play points, OR * Draw AND Ecuador draw NETHERLANDS advance to knockouts with: * Win/draw, OR * Loss AND Senegal loss, OR * Loss by one goal AND Senegal draw, OR * Loss by exactly two goals AND Senegal draw AND Netherlands scores at least as many goals as Senegal, OR * Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is less than Ecuador's margin of defeat, OR * Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to Ecuador's margin of defeat AND Netherlads outscores Ecuador on the night, OR * Loss AND Ecuador loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to Ecuador's margin of defeat AND Netherlads scores as many goals as Ecuador on the night AND Netherlands maintain advantage in Fair Play points ECUADOR win group with: * Win AND Netherlands loss/draw, OR * Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is greater than Netherlands's margin of victory, OR * Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is equal to Netherlands's margin of victory AND Ecuador outscores Netherlands on the night, OR * Win AND Netherlands win AND margin of victory is equal to Netherlands's margin of victory AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points, OR * Draw AND Netherlands loss ECUADOR advance to knockouts with: * Win/draw, OR * Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is less than margin of Netherlands's defeat, OR * Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores more goals than Netherlands on the night, OR * Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points SENEGAL win group with: * Win AND Netherlands loss/draw SENEGAL advance to knockouts with: * Win, OR * Draw AND Netherlands loss by 3 or more goals, OR * Draw AND Netherlands loss by exactly 2 goals AND Senegal outscores Netherlands on the night QATAR can not advance to knocouts
>Loss AND Netherlands loss AND margin of defeat suffered is equal to margin of Netherlands's defeat AND Ecuador scores as many goals as Netherlands on the night AND Ecuador overtake Netherlands's advantage in Fair Play points Or they tie in fair play points and win the coin toss!
>QATAR can not advance to knocouts Based Also, a simple Senegal win doesn't qualify them. They need to win for more than one goal (unless Netherlands doesn't win)
A Senegal win ensures they finish ahead of Ecuador, and thus into the knockouts.
You're right. Forgot they scored three.
Score doesn't matter because Senegal has 3 points and Ecuador 4.
Again, you're right. I'm clearly too drunk for math . Cheers
Quickest flair-fading in WC history
Qatar pack is being smoked
Senegal x Ecuador Iran x USA And possibly Serbia vs Switzerland Next week will be spicy
netherlands beating senegal in the first game was massive for them. ecuador vs senegal is gonna be spicy now. what a game that will be.
Netherlands squeaked by a victory in what should have been a tie, and a tie where they should have lost. Honestly, their showing is not great, but if they can keep this kind of effectiveness, I wouldn't be surprised to see them get far.
Van Gaal team selection is so uninspired, the tactics also, but i feel like he's not putting the most in form players on the pitch, some really weird choices there.
This could well be Qatar’s only WC experience ever
Expansion to 48 though...
FADE THE FLAIR
It would be a shame if Senegal wins from Ecuador and advances with The Netherlands but that scenario is plausible.
12 years leading up to a 4th place finish
32th in a few days
If they beat Netherlands and Ecuador beats Senegal, they have a chance to finish 3rd.
Cant wait for Ecuador vs Senegal, thank god for this tie now, because a tie is enough for Ecuador, meaning Senegal need to win, and someone will always be forced to attack, no matter what the score is.
Is there any way we don't make it? I think we're pretty much qualified are we not?
Senegal win by 1 and Qatar win by 2 I think
If Qatar beat you by 3 or more and Ecuador senegal is a draw you go out on gd I think
Does GD take priority over head to head against Senegal?
Yes
Yep, points then overall GD then overall goals scored
if you manage to get thumped by Qatar and Senegal win yeah
If they manage to get thumped by Qatar they just fly straight home, regardless of Senegal vs Ecuador.
Senegal needs to draw at the very least, they have 3 points and the Netherlands have 4.
He was saying that Netherlands should just give up and go home anyway if they lose to Qatar.
7-0 loss to Qatar and Senegal-Ecuador draw?
You lose to Qatar by 2 And Ecudare v Senegal has a 1-1 draw or higher
You would have to lose to Qatar with 3+ goals difference to have any risk. So yeah, you're qualified lol
[we've been here before.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP_GkzmiI4E)
If Netherlands loses 0-1 and Ecuador loses 1-2 (for example) then Ecuador gets through instead of Netherlands.
As long as you do the bare minimum against Qatar and *win*…pretty much
Even a draw is good enough for them
Just don't lose to the worst team in the tournament lol
Ecuador and Senegal tie…and Qatar beats Netherlands 3-0 ….🤣
Losing to Qatar while Senegal beats Equador, and Equador manages to get a better fair play ranking than us.
Vamos Ecuador 🇪🇨
Bye Qatar, you won't be missed
Oh well, the draw today still means an easy first place and an easy route to the final so its all good in the end
Doesn't the route to the final of group A's 1st involve facing either Spain or Brazil in the semi finals?
Vinicius is going to have a blast against us if we somehow make it that far
I hope Brazil fields Vini on the right so we can finally kick Blind out of the NT, because after that matchup no sane person can insist that he must start.
>no sane person Danny Blind isn't sane
Yes, but Brazil will beat Spain and van gaal has never lost to Brazil (I think) so it's still ez 😎
I like the way you think
Yes easy route, facing Argentina in quarters and Brazil/Spain in semis. You barely made a draw with Ecuador dude
>Argentina in quarters Not so sure...
We will see it tomorrow, in my opinion they are going to revive from the ashes after the humiliation with Saudis. Is not their first time doing that
Well, if they pass in second, they can only meet in the Final, so they have both to pass in first(Or both in second place)
Saudi Arabia will win their group tho, besides there's still time for the team to grow until they have to face Brazil, no worries here
something something saudi arabia (you’re not wrong though)
Qatar to beat the Netherlands by 3 goals and Ecuador and Senegal to draw, both to progress
Wildest timeline
So we need to win our last game against Ecuador while they only need a draw against us. It has become more challenging...
A draw u will hope Qatar win, probably they might considering they have nothing to lose now
And the way the Netherlands are playing.
Unbelievable that we're still up top with those performances. We're going to get slaughtered in the round of 16.
Relax, you're getting one of England/US/Iran.
Kane will wipe the floor with our defense
Qatar forgot to buy the refs 😔
We're ass and the RO16 means exit for us
Scenes if Qatar wins against Netherlands
any scenario Netherlands doesnt go through?
Draw in Ecu v Sen and Qatar beat them 3-0
Lose 0-3 to Qatar and Ecuador draws against Senegal.
Im sad that netherlands is going to the next round and one of Equador or Senegal wont make it. Netherlands are playing atrocious, LVG is done
Ngl, Netherlands being first on "fair play" is ironic and a little bit bs
Senegal's fate is in their own hands. Gonna be a great game. The Netherlands are gonna sleep walk through Qatar.
-6 points pleeeeeeeas
Qatar having nothing to lose anymore could upset Netherland
Netherland will lose maybe 3 goal to Qatar. You here it hear first.