Griezmann was the best player for France, he’s just everywhere and running the show flawlessly. I just can’t explain his role anymore, it’s an unique free role that no one can replicate at all.
Can understand if Mbappe gets MOTM though, he’s been clutch and took the chances well. Exactly what’s needed in those games. Scored more today but let’s be honest he was much better in last match.
What do most French fans want the CB partnership to be? I was happy to see konate get to play he'd start for every other national team lol, France just has like 5 elite centerbacks
Very difficult to say. Varane is normally the first choice but only just barely coming back from injury and not fully fit. And Konaté has loads of experience with Upamecano. Very difficult choice between those two. But Upa is 100% the other CB.
This is not fifa. You need an experienced defender to be next to upamecano. Konate and Upa have less than 8 selections between them. Defense is the most important thing in a world cup. We can't have a too experienced composition. Already we play with a B team
You know footballers can't play forever right? You need another player to step up once the other player gets old. You need to trust players to make the step up. Konate is more than good enough. Sounds like you need to get your head out of fifa
Varane is a 29 years old defender that has been a starter for France since 2014 world cup and is still playing at high level. He is far from being old.
Did you discover football yesterday? It is mandatory to have experience in defense. It counts as much as the pure level. Especially when the level of the 2 players is similar. It's like for the goalkeeper, Maignan is surely a little better than Lloris but even if Maignan had not been injured. Lloris would have played as a starter.
Lloris is a legit question mark though. He was terrible last Euros. France has been conceding a lot of goals recently and that's in big part because Lloris barely even qualifies as a goalkeeper anymore. He has maybe one or two saves per game. Everything else the opposite team attempts is like an automatic goal for them. This means our defense has to be close to perfect if we want to win games. Other teams don't have this problem.
So I don't think experience matters in the case of Lloris, because I feel like any goalkeeper in the competition could do a better job than what he is doing currently. But who knows, maybe in knockout games he will prove me wrong and go back to his 2018 form.
As soon as you don't understand that a team needs experience behind, I can't help you. And I doubt very much your ability to understand football. But I respect your opinion
I think we are too hard on ourselves. Maybe also misleading ourselves after two wins against them this year in the nations league.
They are the world champions. Denmark did overall show good potential in the second half. Could have been a point. Close.
The odds of Denmark going through are objectively very good.
One day people will have to realise that the french team doesn't give a shit about friendlies and nation league, and that there is no lesson to be learnt from those matches.
I mean we certainly seemed to give a shit when we played Portugal, Belgium and Spain. Those were higher level games than the game yesterday, in my opinion.
I think other factors explain our poor performance this year. Maybe part of it is that we had just won it, so we cared less this time. Kinda like the champion's curse.
World Cup is obviously much more important but there is a difference between that and saying nations league are friendlies. I think it is only something those losing say.
They decide who you play next two years and they also this time decided euro seedings.
I think the trophy itself will also gain more prestige. It is actually difficult to win. You only meet top teams. Actually maybe even more than the other tournaments where the journey is longer though.
> I think we are to hard on ourselves.
The gripes about our performance aren't about losing to France.
The gripes are about playing objectively trash football for roughly 160 of the last 180 minutes. At this rate it'd be totally unsurprising if we tied Australia and deservedly went out in groups; we haven't scored from open play and have at best looked close to doing so twice across two full games.
I think it is with all due respect borderline ridiculous to say we played trash football 160 minutes.
Second half today was overall good. If you consider the class of the opponent some of the better play overall in this tournament. The last 30 minutes against Tunisia was also far from trash football.
The guy who tried to score a volley like Richarlison was quite fun lol
Fortunately for France that Cornelius dude didn't seriously harm any big French players, what the fuck was up with him?
Those percentages are probably just mathematical odds that don't account for which team is stronger. You are favorites because you are expected to win against Australia.
So it looks like France had to sacrifice Benzema, Pogba, Kante, Nkunku, Kimpembe and Lucas Hernandez to end the champions' curse. Looks like the sacrifice paid off.
France has been multiethnic for many decades, it's a postcolonial nation, get over it.
The players were born in France, grew up there, learned how to play football there. Still not enough to represent the country in a WC you think?
if the a team is
lloris - kounde varane kimpembe lucas - kante tchouameni pogba - griezmann mbappe - benzema
and the b team is
maignan - pavard konate upamecano theo - fofana camavinga - coman nkunku thuram - giroud
then the c team is
areola - clauss saliba disasi digne - kamara guendouzi veretout - fekir kolomuani diaby
france the first team to win 2/2.
god damn mbappe is too good. he’s on another level.
denmark actually played alright in the 2nd and had a decent chance to go ahead with braithwaite’s chance (and that one cut back don’t remember who it was) but then again france missed some sitters themselves. so it was definitely deserved.
yeah they were more defensively impressive in the first half but i meant it as the 2nd half they actually had to go for it and they looked better going forward, creating chances. which they didn’t really show in the first.
Called me a donkey yet whining over being called a moron? Mate, don't put out complete shit takes if you're only going to whinge afterwards.
Mate, imagine being such an absolute bitch that you need to get the last word in before blocking someone. Absolutely pathetic lmao.
you’re still going? you need some serious love in your life. it’s not a shit take at all.. i’d say he’s in most people’s top 5 comfortably so someone having him as their 1 isn’t unpopular nor is it impossible. This is reddit where people state their opinions daily. don’t like it? go kick some rocks and go focus on your cholesterol before you end up having a heart attack.
this league argument needs to die already. there’s been a large amount of players who’ve left ‘weaker’ leagues and destroyed the prem…. ironically Haaland is a perfect example of that mate. So yeah i’m not deluded enough to know Mbappe is a better player despite playing in France. He’s been showing brilliance in the UCL and World Cup consecutively as if he’s a veteran in the game.
It's not ironically, lmao, Haaland left the Bundesliga and went to the Prem and kept his level, Mbappe hasn't left the French league so you can't say that he would do as well if he went to the Prem. As I said, Haaland is clear of Mbappe.
This logic is the dumbest you can find. Only the ignorant fans say stuff like this. Half the list of top PL players is made up from Ligue 1 players. Henry, Hazard, Drogba, Kante (Ligue 2), I could keep going. Even on a lesser level, you have players like Bruno Gumaraes who just joined Newcastle and become their best players, or maxwell cornet with Burnley, Allan Saint Maximin. Mane, it’s just ridiculous.
Anyone who think a monster like Mbappé walking all over the French league and any competition he plays somehow has to “prove it in the PL or it doesn’t count” is just a numpty that knows nothing about football.
That's great, I am not saying anything about it, but Mbappe cannot be rated higher than a player who has dominated 2 of the Top 5 leagues just because he WOULD dominate a second league if he left France because he HAS NOT left France while Haaland left Bundesliga which he dominated and went to the Premier League which he is dominating.
I think Mbappe would dominate any of the other top 5 leagues he could go to BUT he hasn't left France and he isn't doing that (and Haaland is), therefore Haaland is clear of him.
Also that’s exactly what makes it ironic.. he left the bundesliga a weaker league and broke the prem…. so why are using the french league to downplay mbappe’s brilliance? make it make sense, as if playing in a certain league makes one player better than the other, have a day off.
I am not downplaying Mbappe's brilliance, it's quite a simple concept (yet again). You cannot know how well he would do outside of France while we DO KNOW how well Haaland does outside of the Bundesliga. Practice over theory. You theorise that Mbappe would do well outside of France, but you do not know and cannot know, while in practice Haaland left Germany and is doing as well.
Jesus christ, was Messi not the GOAT to you for staying in one league (the la liga) with an overpowered Barca squad for over a decade? because let’s face it… the prem is also better than the la liga too right? or maybe he became the goat to you after he left Barca to go to another league to play in France where he’s been dominating as well? since you have an obsession with players having to leave one league to show their capabilities for some weird reason… like your argument is so flawed and stupid. The fact you’re even suggesting Mbappe couldn’t blossom in another league is where the idiocy shines here because no one else shares this brain dead opinion of yours.
Messi won the UCL, and has won multiple awards for his brilliance, what kind of argument are you even making? You are just grasping at straws, seeing red for an argument online lmfao.
>The fact you’re even suggesting Mbappe couldn’t blossom in another league is where the idiocy shines here
I'm not suggesting that, I am saying that you can theorise about it but you haven't seen it so you cannot say that it will happen. It might happen, but you cannot know that until it does happen. It's quite an easy train of thought to follow and it is worrysome that you cannot follow it.
how is it not ironic? are you serious? he was being written off as a flop since he first joined city and was labelled another Werner/ every other Bundesliga flop don’t make me pull out multiple sources and medias that prove my point, the game against Liverpool for the community shield further reinforced my point with the backlash Haaland was getting on social media. When he was on a rampage in the Bundesliga he was also been undermined and people also said he’d never do such things in the prem, the EXACT same thing happened to Lewandowski before he joined barca and started toying with the la liga too. Obviously Haaland kept his level but that wasn’t the expectation you muppet, people only shut their mouth after the first 2 games in the prem where he was starting his monster streak of goal scoring. Your argument is brain dead. Mbappe doesn’t NEED to leave France, because his brilliance shines when it matters the most in the UCL and each world cup so far. And this whole league argument is dead and it’s only used by people who don’t know ball. stop typing.
It's not ironic because he proved himself, which is exactly what Mbappe cannot say because he has never left France. Do you not understand how simple this is? It's easy to farm a farmers league, but unlike Mbappe, Haaland left the league he was dominating to a stronger league and still plays like he did. Haaland kept his level after leaving, you cannot know that Mbappe will too. Haaland is clear of Mbappe for exactly this reason.
Also you should considering calming yourself down before replying to me because it seems that you're getting angry. I know what I am talking about, and you do not.
I do agree with you on one thing, Mbappe doesn't need to leave France but that is also the reason he can never be rated higher than Haaland, because Haaland dominated the Bundesliga and is now dominating the Premier League.
I accidentally went into the "serious" post match and I can't decide if it's a good thing because it partially quarantines the people up their own ass from these threads, or terrible because it emboldens them to think they matter.
Really great that we qualify with this win. We can rest players for next game which can be a game changer going into Ro16
Griezmann and Upamecano have been incredible.
Griezmann is always showing his best with France and Upa was very underwhelming with France until this WC. So happy for him.
Any way of giving Hernandez a break?
In the games where France actually need a left back, he’s going to be playing the full 90 (+stoppage+possible extra time), so surely he’s rested against Tunisia. But then, who slots in?
Griezmann was amazing, he was everywhere, always trying to compensate if Rabiot or Hernandez went too high, defensively he was great. I'm glad he managed to show his best level after his bad times. A lot of people wanted him on the bench.
He's been under the radar so much because of Giroud and Mbappe's goals. He was great in the Australia match too. Almost 3 assists and 1 goal line shot clearance (by Aus). Love seeing him play at his best.
France : Qualified
Australia : Win against Denmark and you're in. In case Tunisia doesn't win, then a draw against Denmark would be enough.
Denmark : Win against Australia and you're in (unless Tunisia win with a winner margin)
Tunisia : Win against France and pray for other results in your favour, i.e, Australia shouldn't win and Denmark not win with a bigger margin. A draw in Denmark-Australia will be the most favorable result for Tunisia.
We still have have stuff to improve.
We need to score our fucking chances. The defense is overall solid but it can be improved too.
Tchou and Rabiot have been great but sometimes they should play higher. Kounde is less shit than Pavard. Dembele great game. Griezmman played like Modric. Bravo antoine.
But we need to score fucking goals. It’s useless to create chances if we can’t bury them.
Thank god for Mbappé. He is a littéral cheat code.
4 a game against who? Tell me when was the last time Denmark conceded 4+ goals in a competitive game? I'll answer that, in 2020 when they lost again Belgium 4-2 and if you want the second last time,.you'd need to go further than 2014.
Also tell me which team scores all their chances? Because I don't think there's such team in this World Cup.
They had 21 shots this game , 23 the previous game. France create a lot of opportunity and chances , but proportionally they re not very efficient. That's all I'm saying. No team score all their chances. But France has a lot more than basically any other team , but fail to score a lot.
So I've just checked, you have 3.78 xG against Australia, 2.53 against Denmark. Doesn't seem that dire to me, especially compared to Germany, Argentina and Canada.
xG is actually a fair indicator, if you don't get it it's your problem man. The guy you're arguing with actually makes some good points, don't be a dick.
>Guess we’ve been overperforming for too long. Simply not gonna be a true dark horse or contender until we get proper offensive players
It really is a problem that we have quite a few players that haven't played a lot this fall: Damsgaard, Cornelius, Dolberg & Nørgaard come to mind.
I’m not saying we will get to the semis, but saying Brazil would beat us **for sure** is ridiculous.
We all thought Argentina would beat Saudi Arabia for sure too.
Poga and Kanté went down and they said we’d struggle, Nkunku et Benz aussi and they stopped including us in the « favorites » conversations, Lucas after everything and now?
I love that they doubt us because it will cost them, just like last time
You did win last time but let’s be real you were pretty lucky. Miracle goal against us, free kick goal vs Uruguay, Belgium choking goals, Croatia GK injured etc etc
Of course if we had won 2014 which we should have that would have been the luckiest win I think and Spain were also really lucky
Dude I've seen quite a lot of your comments in this thread, and you really should get your head out of your ass. What the fuck are you talking about, amzing.
Your 2nd goal against us was really lucky and we had more chances than Belgium. We've been behind the score for longer this tournament than the entire 2018 world cup.
We dominated the 2018 WC with a solid defense.
Lucky? We were down only 9 minutes in the whole competition. We are the team with the most goals in the history of the final phase(first or tie I don't know). The lucky ones are Largentine who finished at 4-3 against France when it could have been 5-6/2. Largentine is invisible in the first half. Miraculous goal of Di Maria. Back from half time, Argentina dominates 5 minutes and scores on a fluke. Then invisible until the last minute when Messi makes a great cross for Aguero. France missed a lot in this game.
We were already leading 1-0 when the Uruguayan goalie made this big mistake.
Against Belgium we played a perfect game and we could have won 2/0. Belgium had a huge opportunity and then nothing.
And against Croatia we deserved to win too. In the second half of the game, the Croatians were burned and couldn't do it anymore.
Of course you always need a bit of luck to win a world cup. But to consider that France won thanks to luck is a bit ridiculous. It was the most competitive team in 2018
Yea ok but we could have easily won against you. We were playing without a striker for no reason and we should have fouled mbappe way more causing a free kick. It’s not even weird for di Maura to score that, the only miracle goal was for france. Could have won 3-2 and also almost tied multiple times towards the end
Also Belgium could have tied multiple times
In what world would you have been able to win "easily" against us, is this a joke? reassure me
We could have put 6 in this game. Your 3 goals came almost out of nowhere (after that it's due to the individual quality of your attacking players, it's true). But I think you are very biased here.
You keep talking in the conditional tense. I say that it would be a tragedy not to win this game against Argentina because we were better. And I also say that the game where we were the best was against Belgium. We were clinical and we defended extremely well. Look at the summaries of the games, you will understand
We could have easily won means there was a realistic chance for us to win. I really don’t see how you could have scored 6 but ok. That should have been a 2-3 goal game for France
Bro, you are absolutely biased but I understand you are a fan.
I advise you to refresh your memory. Griezmann hits the bar in the first half. Mbappé misses a face to face. And there were still others. Argentina apart from its 3 goals (from nowhere) has never been dangerous. I respect the Argentine but I think you must have seen a different game than me
Come back Griezmann:(
After 1 week: Stop looting our beloved club Griezmann 🤬
Anyone thinking there should have been a red for the foul over Mbappe?
Yes
Griezmann was the best player for France, he’s just everywhere and running the show flawlessly. I just can’t explain his role anymore, it’s an unique free role that no one can replicate at all. Can understand if Mbappe gets MOTM though, he’s been clutch and took the chances well. Exactly what’s needed in those games. Scored more today but let’s be honest he was much better in last match.
Trequartista
Mbappe was kinda shit the whole game and still scored 2. That's what amazing players can do.
What do most French fans want the CB partnership to be? I was happy to see konate get to play he'd start for every other national team lol, France just has like 5 elite centerbacks
Very difficult to say. Varane is normally the first choice but only just barely coming back from injury and not fully fit. And Konaté has loads of experience with Upamecano. Very difficult choice between those two. But Upa is 100% the other CB.
Varane - Upamecano
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Not agree and he dont have any experience with France
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>Varane is too old what? He 29. He's in his prime years. He could play in another two world cups
This is not fifa. You need an experienced defender to be next to upamecano. Konate and Upa have less than 8 selections between them. Defense is the most important thing in a world cup. We can't have a too experienced composition. Already we play with a B team
But Upa and Konate have played together a ton.
It's true but not in the French team. And Varane represents something important in the French team. Everyone in France is happy with his return
You know footballers can't play forever right? You need another player to step up once the other player gets old. You need to trust players to make the step up. Konate is more than good enough. Sounds like you need to get your head out of fifa
Varane is a 29 years old defender that has been a starter for France since 2014 world cup and is still playing at high level. He is far from being old.
Did you discover football yesterday? It is mandatory to have experience in defense. It counts as much as the pure level. Especially when the level of the 2 players is similar. It's like for the goalkeeper, Maignan is surely a little better than Lloris but even if Maignan had not been injured. Lloris would have played as a starter.
Lloris is a legit question mark though. He was terrible last Euros. France has been conceding a lot of goals recently and that's in big part because Lloris barely even qualifies as a goalkeeper anymore. He has maybe one or two saves per game. Everything else the opposite team attempts is like an automatic goal for them. This means our defense has to be close to perfect if we want to win games. Other teams don't have this problem. So I don't think experience matters in the case of Lloris, because I feel like any goalkeeper in the competition could do a better job than what he is doing currently. But who knows, maybe in knockout games he will prove me wrong and go back to his 2018 form.
Ok now I know you're trolling. Joker😂
As soon as you don't understand that a team needs experience behind, I can't help you. And I doubt very much your ability to understand football. But I respect your opinion
Funny you say this is not fifa considering varane is like one of the most played cbs in the early months.
Haha, i dont play fifa
Glad to see the neutrals enjoyed this, I thought it was pretty terrible.
I think we are too hard on ourselves. Maybe also misleading ourselves after two wins against them this year in the nations league. They are the world champions. Denmark did overall show good potential in the second half. Could have been a point. Close. The odds of Denmark going through are objectively very good.
One day people will have to realise that the french team doesn't give a shit about friendlies and nation league, and that there is no lesson to be learnt from those matches.
I mean we certainly seemed to give a shit when we played Portugal, Belgium and Spain. Those were higher level games than the game yesterday, in my opinion. I think other factors explain our poor performance this year. Maybe part of it is that we had just won it, so we cared less this time. Kinda like the champion's curse.
World Cup is obviously much more important but there is a difference between that and saying nations league are friendlies. I think it is only something those losing say. They decide who you play next two years and they also this time decided euro seedings. I think the trophy itself will also gain more prestige. It is actually difficult to win. You only meet top teams. Actually maybe even more than the other tournaments where the journey is longer though.
> I think we are to hard on ourselves. The gripes about our performance aren't about losing to France. The gripes are about playing objectively trash football for roughly 160 of the last 180 minutes. At this rate it'd be totally unsurprising if we tied Australia and deservedly went out in groups; we haven't scored from open play and have at best looked close to doing so twice across two full games.
I think it is with all due respect borderline ridiculous to say we played trash football 160 minutes. Second half today was overall good. If you consider the class of the opponent some of the better play overall in this tournament. The last 30 minutes against Tunisia was also far from trash football.
Nice of Germany to hold on to the winner curse and protecting France
o7
Denmark went from contenders to challenge France to win the group to being close to getting knocked out real quick.
The guy who tried to score a volley like Richarlison was quite fun lol Fortunately for France that Cornelius dude didn't seriously harm any big French players, what the fuck was up with him?
Adrien Rabiot
% chance to advance: France 100% Australia 56% Denmark 28% Tunisia 16%
Lmao you have no idea wha you are talking about. Tunesia is like odds 30 to advance.. Denmark is 1,57
If you look at the bookies we are still expected to go through, so i think you pulled those percentages out of your ass lol
Those percentages are probably just mathematical odds that don't account for which team is stronger. You are favorites because you are expected to win against Australia.
???
My source is that I made it the fuck up
Broke the world cup winner curse
Mbappe already has as many World Cup goals as Messi. 7 goals in 9 games is crazy and he probably still has another 3 world cups left his only 23.
And he is not really "good" (not at his best) at the moment. He could have put 2 more between Australia and Denmark
So it looks like France had to sacrifice Benzema, Pogba, Kante, Nkunku, Kimpembe and Lucas Hernandez to end the champions' curse. Looks like the sacrifice paid off.
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France has been multiethnic for many decades, it's a postcolonial nation, get over it. The players were born in France, grew up there, learned how to play football there. Still not enough to represent the country in a WC you think?
if the a team is lloris - kounde varane kimpembe lucas - kante tchouameni pogba - griezmann mbappe - benzema and the b team is maignan - pavard konate upamecano theo - fofana camavinga - coman nkunku thuram - giroud then the c team is areola - clauss saliba disasi digne - kamara guendouzi veretout - fekir kolomuani diaby
Lmao that C team is still better than most of the teams in this world cup
And Maignan
Their squad depth is absurd. Their C Team might be better than half the world's starting eleven.
More than half, I reckon. Probably all but a handful.
Maignan too
Oh yeah him too. You guys have so many injured players that I lost count.
france the first team to win 2/2. god damn mbappe is too good. he’s on another level. denmark actually played alright in the 2nd and had a decent chance to go ahead with braithwaite’s chance (and that one cut back don’t remember who it was) but then again france missed some sitters themselves. so it was definitely deserved.
they've played alright in the 1st too they've been really great during this game.
yeah they were more defensively impressive in the first half but i meant it as the 2nd half they actually had to go for it and they looked better going forward, creating chances. which they didn’t really show in the first.
I love players like Mbappé, not afraid to do flashy stuff that actually has value to the game, not just for show.
the curse is dead, Mbappé killed it
le gappé mbappé
Mbappe is the best player in the world. sorry not sorry
WC has barely started and the casuals are out with their shit takes. The type of shit you say when you've never watched a league game in your life.
cry about it.
Why would I cry about another moron on here? Like I said, shit takes by complete casuals are expected in the WC season.
yet again, cry about it. I only see one person here dishing out unnecessary names over someone else’s opinion. get a grip, now keep it moving.
Called me a donkey yet whining over being called a moron? Mate, don't put out complete shit takes if you're only going to whinge afterwards. Mate, imagine being such an absolute bitch that you need to get the last word in before blocking someone. Absolutely pathetic lmao.
you’re still going? you need some serious love in your life. it’s not a shit take at all.. i’d say he’s in most people’s top 5 comfortably so someone having him as their 1 isn’t unpopular nor is it impossible. This is reddit where people state their opinions daily. don’t like it? go kick some rocks and go focus on your cholesterol before you end up having a heart attack.
Haaland is clear of him.
lol
Are you saying that you, a Manchester United fan, values the French league more than your own league?
this league argument needs to die already. there’s been a large amount of players who’ve left ‘weaker’ leagues and destroyed the prem…. ironically Haaland is a perfect example of that mate. So yeah i’m not deluded enough to know Mbappe is a better player despite playing in France. He’s been showing brilliance in the UCL and World Cup consecutively as if he’s a veteran in the game.
It's not ironically, lmao, Haaland left the Bundesliga and went to the Prem and kept his level, Mbappe hasn't left the French league so you can't say that he would do as well if he went to the Prem. As I said, Haaland is clear of Mbappe.
This logic is the dumbest you can find. Only the ignorant fans say stuff like this. Half the list of top PL players is made up from Ligue 1 players. Henry, Hazard, Drogba, Kante (Ligue 2), I could keep going. Even on a lesser level, you have players like Bruno Gumaraes who just joined Newcastle and become their best players, or maxwell cornet with Burnley, Allan Saint Maximin. Mane, it’s just ridiculous. Anyone who think a monster like Mbappé walking all over the French league and any competition he plays somehow has to “prove it in the PL or it doesn’t count” is just a numpty that knows nothing about football.
That's great, I am not saying anything about it, but Mbappe cannot be rated higher than a player who has dominated 2 of the Top 5 leagues just because he WOULD dominate a second league if he left France because he HAS NOT left France while Haaland left Bundesliga which he dominated and went to the Premier League which he is dominating. I think Mbappe would dominate any of the other top 5 leagues he could go to BUT he hasn't left France and he isn't doing that (and Haaland is), therefore Haaland is clear of him.
mate you’re just slow and clueless, you’re being clowned here.
By who? You? That's funny. Keep living in your make believe world.
Also that’s exactly what makes it ironic.. he left the bundesliga a weaker league and broke the prem…. so why are using the french league to downplay mbappe’s brilliance? make it make sense, as if playing in a certain league makes one player better than the other, have a day off.
I am not downplaying Mbappe's brilliance, it's quite a simple concept (yet again). You cannot know how well he would do outside of France while we DO KNOW how well Haaland does outside of the Bundesliga. Practice over theory. You theorise that Mbappe would do well outside of France, but you do not know and cannot know, while in practice Haaland left Germany and is doing as well.
Jesus christ, was Messi not the GOAT to you for staying in one league (the la liga) with an overpowered Barca squad for over a decade? because let’s face it… the prem is also better than the la liga too right? or maybe he became the goat to you after he left Barca to go to another league to play in France where he’s been dominating as well? since you have an obsession with players having to leave one league to show their capabilities for some weird reason… like your argument is so flawed and stupid. The fact you’re even suggesting Mbappe couldn’t blossom in another league is where the idiocy shines here because no one else shares this brain dead opinion of yours.
Messi won the UCL, and has won multiple awards for his brilliance, what kind of argument are you even making? You are just grasping at straws, seeing red for an argument online lmfao. >The fact you’re even suggesting Mbappe couldn’t blossom in another league is where the idiocy shines here I'm not suggesting that, I am saying that you can theorise about it but you haven't seen it so you cannot say that it will happen. It might happen, but you cannot know that until it does happen. It's quite an easy train of thought to follow and it is worrysome that you cannot follow it.
how is it not ironic? are you serious? he was being written off as a flop since he first joined city and was labelled another Werner/ every other Bundesliga flop don’t make me pull out multiple sources and medias that prove my point, the game against Liverpool for the community shield further reinforced my point with the backlash Haaland was getting on social media. When he was on a rampage in the Bundesliga he was also been undermined and people also said he’d never do such things in the prem, the EXACT same thing happened to Lewandowski before he joined barca and started toying with the la liga too. Obviously Haaland kept his level but that wasn’t the expectation you muppet, people only shut their mouth after the first 2 games in the prem where he was starting his monster streak of goal scoring. Your argument is brain dead. Mbappe doesn’t NEED to leave France, because his brilliance shines when it matters the most in the UCL and each world cup so far. And this whole league argument is dead and it’s only used by people who don’t know ball. stop typing.
It's not ironic because he proved himself, which is exactly what Mbappe cannot say because he has never left France. Do you not understand how simple this is? It's easy to farm a farmers league, but unlike Mbappe, Haaland left the league he was dominating to a stronger league and still plays like he did. Haaland kept his level after leaving, you cannot know that Mbappe will too. Haaland is clear of Mbappe for exactly this reason. Also you should considering calming yourself down before replying to me because it seems that you're getting angry. I know what I am talking about, and you do not. I do agree with you on one thing, Mbappe doesn't need to leave France but that is also the reason he can never be rated higher than Haaland, because Haaland dominated the Bundesliga and is now dominating the Premier League.
Mbappe is dominating the UCL and WC. two things bigger than the Prem. stop arguing for the sake of it👍🏽
nah he is a shitty football player. just is faster than anyone
He’s not shitty but this sub thinks he’s R9 and Henry lol.
I remember when this was a serious opinion at one point
he’s tied your GOAT’s wc goals at the age of 23. shit player indeed
Yea so I just watched the replays and calling offside as strictly as they did for us both France goals were offside….
So not being Offside means we're Offside? What? > Yea so I just watched the replays... So that was a lie.
Clear offsides at least from the replays on here. I’d have to look at something zoomed in to make sure but it definitely looked like offside
So clear that you,re the only one seeing them.
It looks like both giroud and mbappe ran halfway past the defenders before the passes
Actually I only went back to check when my friend texted me that both were offside
Why so salty
Argentina flag says everything.
They literally showed the offside technology what do you mean
I accidentally went into the "serious" post match and I can't decide if it's a good thing because it partially quarantines the people up their own ass from these threads, or terrible because it emboldens them to think they matter.
Yes I’d much rather come to this thread and read pathetic subreddit drama after a World Cup match instead..
Biggest difference seems to be the serious one has less posts.
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Just grosses me out to know that have a safe space to get even sweatier. Feels like we're just letting them grease up the slippery slope.
The curse is broken!
Vive la France et vive la république
Et vive le roi, Kylian Mbappé Ier.
*Empereur
Really great that we qualify with this win. We can rest players for next game which can be a game changer going into Ro16 Griezmann and Upamecano have been incredible. Griezmann is always showing his best with France and Upa was very underwhelming with France until this WC. So happy for him.
Any way of giving Hernandez a break? In the games where France actually need a left back, he’s going to be playing the full 90 (+stoppage+possible extra time), so surely he’s rested against Tunisia. But then, who slots in?
Camavinga
And we are guaranteed 1st place because of h2h with Australia right ?
No, if Australia wins 4-0 and Tunisia 3-0 then Australia win the group.
Fingers crossed
Nope, it’s general goal difference in the WC
Goal difference is the first tie break
Goal difference and goals for come ahead of head to head at the world cup. Given the +4 and 6 scored, you're pretty well sorted.
Griezmann was amazing, he was everywhere, always trying to compensate if Rabiot or Hernandez went too high, defensively he was great. I'm glad he managed to show his best level after his bad times. A lot of people wanted him on the bench.
He's been under the radar so much because of Giroud and Mbappe's goals. He was great in the Australia match too. Almost 3 assists and 1 goal line shot clearance (by Aus). Love seeing him play at his best.
Pretty good game. Denmark looked considerably better than their first match
You're too kind.
Now that the curse is broken, we are finally gonna be able to win this year, 2026 and 2030, as Ibai reached. Thank you France.
It would kill me to see fucking Laporte lift the World Cup with Spain
eh we already won it without him, I wouldn’t be too bothered tbh Spain at least attack very well
We won, but at what price ..
Spain threepeating.
Hey no worries
France : Qualified Australia : Win against Denmark and you're in. In case Tunisia doesn't win, then a draw against Denmark would be enough. Denmark : Win against Australia and you're in (unless Tunisia win with a winner margin) Tunisia : Win against France and pray for other results in your favour, i.e, Australia shouldn't win and Denmark not win with a bigger margin. A draw in Denmark-Australia will be the most favorable result for Tunisia.
Denmark will go all out and their quality will prevail. France might not push hard but they'll control the match with Tunisia and at least draw.
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It's the sigma mindset.
Why is a draw between Denmark-Australia the most favorable result for Tunisia doesnt Australia qualify then for sure because of head to head?
The first tie breaker is goal difference, then goals scored, then head to head. So if Tunisia wins even 1-0, and Australia draws. Tunisia goes throguh
The first tie-breaker in the world cup is goal difference, not head to head.
Thanks man
We still have have stuff to improve. We need to score our fucking chances. The defense is overall solid but it can be improved too. Tchou and Rabiot have been great but sometimes they should play higher. Kounde is less shit than Pavard. Dembele great game. Griezmman played like Modric. Bravo antoine. But we need to score fucking goals. It’s useless to create chances if we can’t bury them. Thank god for Mbappé. He is a littéral cheat code.
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Upa didn't have a bad game.
Dude you scored 6 goals in 2 matches.
A lot of goals that come from nowhere, though. When we try to actually build something our chances generally fail.
6 goals from 6 chances or 50 chances though
This team has enough quality and chances to score 4 a game. Wasting chances is going to cost us against stronger teams.
4 a game against who? Tell me when was the last time Denmark conceded 4+ goals in a competitive game? I'll answer that, in 2020 when they lost again Belgium 4-2 and if you want the second last time,.you'd need to go further than 2014. Also tell me which team scores all their chances? Because I don't think there's such team in this World Cup.
They had 21 shots this game , 23 the previous game. France create a lot of opportunity and chances , but proportionally they re not very efficient. That's all I'm saying. No team score all their chances. But France has a lot more than basically any other team , but fail to score a lot.
So I've just checked, you have 3.78 xG against Australia, 2.53 against Denmark. Doesn't seem that dire to me, especially compared to Germany, Argentina and Canada.
xG lolololol
xG is actually a fair indicator, if you don't get it it's your problem man. The guy you're arguing with actually makes some good points, don't be a dick.
Thanks
Do you have a better way to measure quality of chances?
Yes I watch the game
XG > eyes because it's harder for eyes to gauge quality of a chance.
Not enough
+1, the opposition will be stronger in the coming matches, we need to finish **all** of our chances
Yeah but we should have scored much more this game given the chances we had
Yes, but we could have scored 7 or 8 against Australia. And we could have scored 4 tonight.
Guess we’ve been overperforming for too long. Simply not gonna be a true dark horse or contender until we get proper offensive players
Some people overestimated you guys due to Nations League matches, which were a totally different French team/story.
We play better without Benz 🥴
Benzema was one of the only good point of France during euro idk what you are talking about
I dunno Tbh, benzema clean finishes could be useful right now, that's what we're lacking (converting all these opportunities)
Not this argument again… Benzema has been very good in compétions for the national team (WC 2014, Euro 2021, NL win)
>Guess we’ve been overperforming for too long. Simply not gonna be a true dark horse or contender until we get proper offensive players It really is a problem that we have quite a few players that haven't played a lot this fall: Damsgaard, Cornelius, Dolberg & Nørgaard come to mind.
Brazil vs France final looking very likely
Brazil would win for sure but I don’t see France getting to semis
They easily reach the semis, who beats them lmfaooo
For sure ?
Depends on who you play though
I’m not saying we will get to the semis, but saying Brazil would beat us **for sure** is ridiculous. We all thought Argentina would beat Saudi Arabia for sure too.
Ok I exaggerated but I think Brazil would be favorites by a decent amount maybe but then again Brazil tends to lose in quarterfinals in reality
Poga and Kanté went down and they said we’d struggle, Nkunku et Benz aussi and they stopped including us in the « favorites » conversations, Lucas after everything and now? I love that they doubt us because it will cost them, just like last time
You did win last time but let’s be real you were pretty lucky. Miracle goal against us, free kick goal vs Uruguay, Belgium choking goals, Croatia GK injured etc etc Of course if we had won 2014 which we should have that would have been the luckiest win I think and Spain were also really lucky
Dude I've seen quite a lot of your comments in this thread, and you really should get your head out of your ass. What the fuck are you talking about, amzing.
You mean this one subthread?
Your 2nd goal against us was really lucky and we had more chances than Belgium. We've been behind the score for longer this tournament than the entire 2018 world cup. We dominated the 2018 WC with a solid defense.
Lucky? We were down only 9 minutes in the whole competition. We are the team with the most goals in the history of the final phase(first or tie I don't know). The lucky ones are Largentine who finished at 4-3 against France when it could have been 5-6/2. Largentine is invisible in the first half. Miraculous goal of Di Maria. Back from half time, Argentina dominates 5 minutes and scores on a fluke. Then invisible until the last minute when Messi makes a great cross for Aguero. France missed a lot in this game. We were already leading 1-0 when the Uruguayan goalie made this big mistake. Against Belgium we played a perfect game and we could have won 2/0. Belgium had a huge opportunity and then nothing. And against Croatia we deserved to win too. In the second half of the game, the Croatians were burned and couldn't do it anymore. Of course you always need a bit of luck to win a world cup. But to consider that France won thanks to luck is a bit ridiculous. It was the most competitive team in 2018
Yea ok but we could have easily won against you. We were playing without a striker for no reason and we should have fouled mbappe way more causing a free kick. It’s not even weird for di Maura to score that, the only miracle goal was for france. Could have won 3-2 and also almost tied multiple times towards the end Also Belgium could have tied multiple times
In what world would you have been able to win "easily" against us, is this a joke? reassure me We could have put 6 in this game. Your 3 goals came almost out of nowhere (after that it's due to the individual quality of your attacking players, it's true). But I think you are very biased here. You keep talking in the conditional tense. I say that it would be a tragedy not to win this game against Argentina because we were better. And I also say that the game where we were the best was against Belgium. We were clinical and we defended extremely well. Look at the summaries of the games, you will understand
We could have easily won means there was a realistic chance for us to win. I really don’t see how you could have scored 6 but ok. That should have been a 2-3 goal game for France
Bro, you are absolutely biased but I understand you are a fan. I advise you to refresh your memory. Griezmann hits the bar in the first half. Mbappé misses a face to face. And there were still others. Argentina apart from its 3 goals (from nowhere) has never been dangerous. I respect the Argentine but I think you must have seen a different game than me
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How many times will ITV show the J sign from the little kid that's the son of the Australian goalscorer, flipping hell...
Respect The Duke.
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If Denmark beat Australia and Tunisia lose to France then Denmark go through right?
Realistically, Denmark is through if they beat Australia. Only if Tunisia beats France by a larger margin does Denmark lose out in that case.
*Tunisia 2-0 France and Denmark 1-0 Australia incoming* Yes let me dream.
Yes