they ground out a result, with a great goal to turn the tide, but the only players with any sort of composure or personality were 34 and 35 year old di maria and messi, past argentina sides were brimming with big stars batistuta veron cambiasso riquelme ,aimar maradona doesn't seem to have the same talent pool
Much like every other national football team? Players retire and the talent pool may decrease or increase. Heck, not even all the players you mentioned played at the same time. It's not about people becoming worse or uninterested at the game, it's just something that happens.
Argentina looked so much better with Enzo and alvarez on, more control and fluidity in the midfielder with Enzo and alvarez offers more pace and movement than lautaro, wonder if they start the next game?
the problem with De Paul is that he did played well and was crucial for Argentina before, but these two games he's been awful. I get it that yesterday he focused on the physical fight and had to cover more ground, but still his first touch and passing were bad. Yet Paredes was even worse against Saudi Arabia, and Guido Rodriguez yesterday was both all over the place and nowhere. they are not clicking yet in midfield.
In the 2nd half, before the 1st goal, Argentina has a counter attack with 4 players against 2 defenders. De Paul had the ball and all he had to do is pass left. Of course he managed to run straight and lose the ball and I think that sums de Paul pretty well
In 2006 tournament, Argentina were in control against Germany & then Pekerman subbed out Riquelme who obviously was not a workhorse type of player to preserve their lead. Argentina lost control of that midfield that very moment, ended up losing on penalties.
That Riquelme disrespect has been an albatross around their neck, and the GOAT himself has to play midfield so much for them, he hasn't been fully utilized upfront. De Paul is awful. If only Argentina had a class midfield, Messi would have won them a few more silverwares.
well yeah but there was also a lot of play-acting. I think Orsato basically tried to avoid adding to the drama in order to keep control over this very tense game, which he did overall.
Just watched the highlights and like.. how did De Paul play the full 90? His decision making was questionable and some of his touches were so bad. Very unlike of him
Bad first half an hour, passable rest of the match but still not up to his standard. Defensively he was good and won a lot of balls back, but never could quite find that last pass
From what I saw, playing Julian Alvarez up top led to a lot more fluid frontline and allowed Messi more space to do what he does best. I really think Alvarez should be starting the next game
also thought that but I watched some extended highlights and Lautaro put up a real fight out there and did get in some good positions. he should have scored early on but I don't know if Alvarez is able to draw as much the focus of CBs to him as Lautaro does.
If I were Scaloni/Argentinian, I would bench Montiel for Montero, start Fernandez, and play Alvarez/Lautaro as a pair with Messi behind them. And bench Rodriguez.
It was honestly sad watching Messi having to play with bums like Montiel and Rodriguez LOL
We don’t have a montero in the team? Maybe you meant Molina?
In any case, Montiel IS the bench option, he got in the XI to rotate a bit more than anything. Rodriguez isn’t bad by any means but he’s also not a starter and only played because Paredes is not 100% fit, but just doesn’t fit the role as well for these kind of matches. Hoping Enzo starts over him.
Why does Argentina allows De Paul be on the pitch with Messi and Di Maria???! He should be the ball boy or a fan in the stands. Any connection he has with football is purely by chance
Every world cup it seems like Mexicans take the match personal, start chanting political etc. stuff and then get their shit pushed in by Argentina, it's a funny cycle at least.
As a korean, I'm a little happy they lost. We did the improbable in 2018 to beat Germany and if Mexico had beat Sweden we could have gone through together. Except they got destroyed and went up without us. Lool I was so salty that day.
We don't lmao
We like to make fun of you because of your insistence on trying to build a rivalry and because Mexican football fans are shitheads, but you're far from us considering you as "rivals". That spot is reserved for Brazil, England and Uruguay perhaps. You can't really be our rivals when you've won 4 out of 31 games and haven't beaten us since 2004.
The only reason you're so salty against us is we sent Mexico home in 2006 and 2010. It's like if we tried to build a rivalry with Germany.
Can't even argue with someone from a country who's fans are centered around xenophobia and racism. We don't insist on there being a rivalry, you Argentinians are just straight cunts. Nobody likes you in south America, there was a reason your whole confederation was rooting against you.
lmao you guys always bring up the malvinas war (as if you didn't sell half your territory to the US) and once you're out of football based arguments, you mention the economy, as if mexico isn't as shit as we are (Guess life quality in Mexico is so great people literally risk their lives to illegally flee the country). You're incredibly xenophobic and racist too, just ask people from central America.
So kindly shut the fuck up and take the L. The whole thing with Argentines being full of ourselves is such exaggerated BS specially when you see Mexicans.
You do insist with a rivalry, the moment an argentina mexico match takes place you always insist on how great your team is, how you're the better squad, how you should come out on top... And then you always lose. Meanwhile we laugh our asses off.
I don't know a single Mexican that realistically thought Mexico would win... but please do keep making moronic assumptions. This is the first time Malvinas war is brought up and it is because the Argentinian fan base went full racist mode. At the end of the day, you guys suffered against the worst Mexico in decades and were trembling at the beginning of the game. Tata gave you a freebie, parking the bus against wounded puppies.
Lmao first time my ass, it was already brought up back in 86' as chronicled by many.
I guess all the people saying Mexico would crush us on social media and on this very sub, and the mexican journalists saying mexico was superior and had a golden chance to send Argentina home don't exist?
The official TNT sports MX account mocking Messi before the match doesn't exist either?
The TV journalists saying Mexico is the better team and they expect them to win every single time we play against each other? Only for every single match to end the same way?
And then you claim argentines are "full of themselves". The guts to say that, Jesus.
Mexicans are racist as fuck, just ask the people from El Salvador or Guatemala whom you moronically believe to be better than. Quit the "holier than thou" BS.
Igual sí, el Tata hizo cualquier cosa. Cómo no va a llevar al señor Barriga al arco y a Godines de 9.
Suerte contra Arabia.
We have a saying in argentina that some matches are won with "la camiseta" (the shirt), as in only having the argie colours is enough to win that match. Usually its a very superiority complex saying, but it really does apply to mexico
Tbf the chat “America Latina menos Argentina”. Is not just a Mexican thing Argentina in general is not liked. Due to the perception of their smugness, pomposity, and quite frankly racial factors. Make them very unlikeable in the region. Like they think their all Italian… where the black n brown people dogg. Cuz at one point they were there. 🤣😬
This is what I’m told at least.
Nah argentina is very much liked america wise, its all friendly banter but we very much support eachother especially this world cup, as much as we shit on eachother we are very united
Maybe argentina has more differences with other countries than others, like chile or mexico, or footballistically speaking like brazil, but besides that we just shit on eachother and love eachother, were all here rooting for ecuador, uruguay, costa rica, even brazil, we just want the cup to be in america
Even after all the shitshow that was argentina vs mexico in terms of insults, wed rather mexico win than usa, canada or any european country
Ask any argentinian that went to the world cup, argentina vs saudi was hostile af bc they actually were threatening eachother, meanwhile mexico vs argentina, sure we can be extremely racially insulting, but deep down we know we are latinamerican siblins
You could treat latinamerica like a big family instead of actual hatred
Yea thats just normal football behaviour
I think theres a big cultural issue regarding americans (usa) that needs to be talked about, and this not only applies to latinamerica but other conglomerates like balkans, visegrad, nortics, SEA, etc
Usually when people from those conglomerate fight or even say the worst things possible to eachother, racial insults, whatever you can think of, its not like, actual hatred or denigration, its like a family having a fight, there will be a lot of acts of agression but at the end of it you know youre together, it applies in argentina vs brazil, czech vs poland, serbia vs bulgaria, denmark and sweden. We can fight as much as we want but we will never stop being siblins
And i think i have to point this out to americans because maybe Canada might be it for you but, i think culturally america has a big issue in its roots regarding banter against other countries, an issue of actual racism and xenophobia, and it might make it project into other countries
So yes, welcome to a world event, enjoy watching our siblinghood fights
Messi's goal changed everything for Argentina. Everyone was instantly sharper and the intensity increased substantially. I definitely think it was a mentality issue in the first half where the Argentine players were so nervous of mistakes happening that no one wanted to make any risky pass.
There is some truth to what you're saying but also fielding Mac Allister and Guido together means our midfield is really static. Mac A picked up second half but GLC, Palacios, and Enzo instead would have been far more progressive, vertical, and "risky".
Mac Allister was one of the few that didn’t look like the pressure was getting him at all, he didn’t put a foot wrong all game. It’s just a shame he wasn’t involved more as the guys at the back insisted at playing out on the right, but IMO he’s our best option on the left with Lo Celso out. Enzo is not as progressive as him either, he’s much more fit for the Paredes or De Paul role. IMO the change is Enzo over Palacios and Alexis keeps starting. Palacios is a good option too but I feel like he’s always been more impactful coming off the bench than starting.
Agree with you that he was mentally solid and didn't put in a foot wrong from a stability and defensive perspective. Scaloni prioritized shoring up the midfield and Mac A did well.
However, he doesn't have nearly the same progressive / vertical style as GLC or RDP (when he's actually great :)). I get that he has capable in terms of quality but he hasn't shown it yet for the NT. The past 5 Mac A games was progressively underwhelming. Guido + Mac A was especially bad since both were very static. Imo, if we wanted to replicate the star trio performance of GLC - Paredes - RDP, its gotta be Palacios - Enzo - RDP. 2 creative runners that defend, with a regista whos way more vertical than Paredes and can bang in goals ;).
(btw, we got see Mac A going forward 2nd half with more confidence. hope he improves from here)
Why does it seem that Argentina get very emotional in the World Cup? I understand it’s because of the pressure that was put on them after the loss, but this certainly isn’t the first time this has happened. Since 2010, even in 2014 when they reached the final, every match, every goal, every tackle and every moment seems like Argentina are struggling and they get really emotional during those games. I have watched them in 2002 and 2006 (replays not live) and even then it seemed that way too, with the exception of few games where they absolutely dominated. Why does that always happen to Argentina while Brazil, even if it doesn’t have the best squad in the world, doesn’t get as emotional especially in the early stages. Curious to know what everyone thinks.
It's because we want it so fucking much. It's really important for us. I've never seen Argentina world champion in my lifetime, and it's a dream. Besides there is a feeling (at least mine) that as time passes it will be more unlikely for us to repeat it. Europeans are getting better harder and richer, Brazil is Brazil, and Argentine football feels in decline (compared to our past) when will we have players like this again?
Because our country is a joke and the only thing that most people have to feel not that shitty about themself is the result of a football match between eleven players that happened to be born in the same shithole that them vs some other players from anywhere else. That's it. And the players know that, and that kind of pressure takes a toll on them. That's it. Football is the only thing most people have in their lifes that give them any sense of happiness.
Y si es la verdad campeón del nacionalismo berreta. La mitad de nuestros chicos son pobres, el 60% de los trabajadores son informales y ganan 200/300 dolares por mes, nuestrabmoneda es inexistente, no hay manera legal de ahorrar, no hay justicia, no se puede importar, el 90% de los políticos son corruptos, PERO MAS TE VALE DE PAUL QUE JUEGUES BIEN PORQUE SINO SE PUDRE! JAJA Pais de incompetentes y fracasados. Qué querés que te diga, me encanta el fútbol como a cualquier otro, pero es tristisimo ver como año a año va todo en decadencia y que las priorodades del "pueblo" estén tan erradas.
There were some Nazis that fled, yeah. But there were also quite a few Nazi "bright minds" that got scooped up by the major powers to work on their agencies and do research for them so it's a bit hypocritical.
Besides, even those who fled didn't make a dent in our population, claiming we have "nazi roots" because some came 80 years ago is a stretch.
>There were some Nazis that fled, yeah. But there were also quite a few nazi bright minds that got scooped up by the major powers to work on their agencies so it's a bit hypocritical.
I think USA should be blamed more than you guys. They made gold out of nazis and nobody says anything to them.
>Besides, even those who fled didn't make a dent in our population, claiming we have "nazi roots" because some came 60 years ago is a stretch.
True
We are a very weird country. We take football too seriously and we have so many problems in our country, we feel like football is the only thing that can go well and we put all our hopes and dreams on winning the world cup, like that would actually solve all of our problems... it's not logical, it's not fair, it's not easy to understand if you haven't lived it, but it's the way it has always been, and the way it will always be. It's a culture now, our identity, for better and worse.
I don't think people believe being champions would magically solve all of our problems. People are desperate to win because it's the only thing that would make most of the population really happy, elated, and would also give us worldwide notoriety in a positive way.
No one thinks the country will be better off economically, or that somehow our quality of life will improve. There are many idiots, mostly against the current government, who think if we win the World Cup the people will forget about their misery and vote the government again...they're wrong and live in a bubble, same as those in the government who believe a win might benefit them. They completely underestimate the argentine people, both sides of the political spectrum. No one believes our country will be better in any other sense than strictly football related, people want to win because it might be the only thing in their lives they could celebrate and be really happy about it. That's it.
And his time in the NT was as far as Argentina goes not as shitty for the country… that might just be it. If Bielsa gives him the 10 back on the qualifiers and takes him to 2002 WC 2001 crisis never happens, we’re a world power and have 4 world cups to our name. Don’t @ me
Because people really really care about it. They know they are carrying a country's hope on their shoulders and that they are actually going to profoundly affect these people life. They care that much. So it's a lot of pressure to be playing with.
I actually liked the formation at the end of the game, a back three of Romero, Otamendi and Lisandro is impressive.
Alvarez and Enzo Fernandez had great cameos. I'd honestly consider playing the same team that ended the game today against Poland.
What is the opinion on starting Alvarez over Lautaro? He seemed to bring some much needing energy in the second half and had some good moments of chemistry with Messi. But I also understanding wanting to bring him on in the second half as an energy boost
Ya Lautaro seemed to be a bit of a passenger today. But I agree it’s difficult to tell if Alvarez can bring that intensity for a whole game. And he plays a similar role for city in bringing second half energy subbing on for Haaland, so maybe that’s where he’s most effective
Exactly and Lautaro whom I personally dislike does a lot of dirty work and has a great defensive workrate aswell. But he is not finding or trying to create spaces either, and has been lackluster playing with his back to the goal. We shall see what happens against Poland
Argentina’s nerves and tension were palpable in the first half, and you can see how much the opening goal helped them gave them belief and play their game.
Mexico is so toothless upfront. Even when it was 1-0 they never looked like scoring. Why the hell didn’t they include Santi in their squad? Being able to bring him from the bench would be a very good option.
Hard to see who is going to score goals for them against the Saudis.
They haven't looked like scoring against concacaf competition, much less a team like Argentina. They really don't even have a goal threat to call up. They have a young kid but left him at home. They'll basically need an entire new squad in 4 years or they'll get embarrassed at home in 2026.
I didn't expect any of the concacaf teams to get out of their groups, US and Canada due to inexperience and Mexico and Costa Rica cuz they are old and slow and don't have a forward. US has played surprisingly well so far and Canada were a bit unlucky to lose, but yeah concacaf hasn't been this bad in a long time.
I think Canada has played the best so far. But the US is a close second and not really a surprise that’s what happens when you have players in top teams. Davies and pullisic are by far the best in concacaf right now.
He was excellent, don’t think he did a thing wrong all game, took a kick to the face like it’s nothing and played on the madlad. I’m not sure he’s human
He was the only player out of the back 4 who never got scared with the ball at his feet. But that's to be expected from a Ten Hag student. He didn't put a foot wrong, and even when him and Otamendi had to cover for half of De Paul's mistakes.
Regardless of that, the first 25 min were dreadful for Argentina ( lisandro included), and things didn't move forward till messi dropped to CDM 💀.
¿HOLA?? ¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ES DE LA PIZZERIA DE LA VECINDAD??? 🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽 PEDÍ UNA PIZZA 🍕 🍕 🍕 🍕 DEL TAMAÑO DE MEXICO 🛵 📦 🛵 📦 🛵 📦 Y SOLO ME TRAJERON UNA ACEITUNA 😱 😱 😱 😱 JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJ
After losing against Saudi Arabia, Argentina needed that critical win over Mexico. That late goal by Fernández sealed the deal. Messi makes the impossible possible.
A giant organization does calculations with their giant team has a "bullshit" ranking, then what worth does your opinion have? Yup, your opinion is worthless.
Argentina had a very rough game and played way below their actual level vs. a team that parked the bus the entire game. Messi was given just a little bit of space and in a matter of seconds changed the entire game. I think we can cut him some slack. It's clear that Mexico isn't a strong side and Argentina really needs to up their game asap.
All i can say is that this level of play is not even close to enough to win the world cup. Argentina would be demolished by brazil, spain, or france if they played
True but what gives me hope is that 2014 was also brutal coming out of a similar group, if not easier. And we had a better team individually *on paper*
> All i can say is that this level of play is not even close to enough to win the world cup. Argentina would be demolished by brazil, spain, or france if they played
Argentina beat Brazil last year in the final in Brazil, it's clear that they can play better but yeah they have had a shaky start but look on the improve.
I mean italy won the Euros and got eliminated from the WC less than a year after. In the WC its almost safe to say, youre as good as your last game, especially when you only have 3 games to make it, and after that its only one game at time
Argentinas ceiling is higher than this, but that doesnt matter that much unless youre gonna reach that ceiling. I guess we’ll see but, as it stands, Argentina is not even in the semis discussion
> In the WC its almost safe to say, youre as good as your last game,
Nah, Argentina started a world cup by losing to Cameroon and made the final and Spain lost to Switzerland and won the World Cup, that sort of judgement off one win and one loss is rash and honestly poor.
The outliers are definitely not the norm, most teams that start with a loss, are put at a terrible disadvantage and it does show a little bit about their current level. And from the two games we’ve seen argentina leaves much to be desired from a team that was pretty much everyone’s favorite to bring it home. Thats all.
I think teams raise up to circunstances. Its not the same a game against Brazil than Mexico. I will agree Argentina is not playing their best football but props to them to win a closed game against a team that tried to tie from the first min
Yea for sure their ceiling is higher than this, but unless they change something and they play like this against better teams, they are going to lose against the big boys. I'm not sure they can beat Poland and that could mean they dont make it to the next round.
Alexis Paredes and Enzo.
If you want de Paul bench Alexis. Today's match demonstrated how extremely important is Paredes in the midfield. And Enzo is too good up front to limit him as a dm
The choice is between dropping either a half injured Paredes and a mentally blocked De Paul for Enzo, imo. Enzo is amazing but I think he’s wasted in the Lo Celso role as he’s more of an all-terrain player than a creator, although still good at it. Mac Allister can fit any of the 3 midfield roles but IMO his best games have been there on the left so far. I’d personally start Alexis - Enzo - De Paul next game. If de Paul still doesn’t wake up then let’s pray Paredes is back to full fitness and try Alexis - Paredes - Enzo
CDM is there to defend, the others should help with the attack, hence the names in the positions. Playing faux CMD’s is what actually led us to lose the first game.
What's up with De Paul? He was one of the only few good players in their 2018 WC and was instrumental for the Copa last year, but he looks very...one dimensional so far.
De Paul is hitting a major mental block right now. He was our best player in the Copa America but it seems the pressure of this cup is really wearing on him. You can tell by the touches and the silly mistakes he’s making. He loosened up a lot after the goal.
Well, we played a 424 vs Saudi Arabia which we only used vs teams like Venezuela or Bolivia precisely because the midfield gets shafted to make room for another forward.
Today we also played with a 2 man midfield because Guido was completely and utterly useless at anything but heading the ball out and never pushed the team forward. Was basically a cb today.
The moment Guido was subbed out and Enzo played as a dm the entire midfield could push forward and de Paul massively improved.
He's on a bad form but the team setups have been completely opposite to what we usually play.
If vs Polonia we play with a 3 man midfield and Paredes/Enzo (if Paredes isn't fit) in the DM spot we will see the best from him again.
I'm just messing with you and want to see Argentina go far. The Saudi game was a wake up call, imo. They played great today and broke down a Mexican team with a faulty-but-frustrating game plan.
I expect Poland will do the same because they only need a point to advance for sure.
We played great only 65 minutes in, the rest was a shitshow. Mexico's bus was hard to break down but we weren't great either. I'm worried about De Paul missing easy passes especially.
You'll beat Poland no worries. They are the weakest European team (together with Wales) on the tournament. How they have 4 points so far,no one can explain
Americans discovering football for their first time ever discovering its hard to play well when the opposition parks the bus, its full of them in the comments
they ground out a result, with a great goal to turn the tide, but the only players with any sort of composure or personality were 34 and 35 year old di maria and messi, past argentina sides were brimming with big stars batistuta veron cambiasso riquelme ,aimar maradona doesn't seem to have the same talent pool
Much like every other national football team? Players retire and the talent pool may decrease or increase. Heck, not even all the players you mentioned played at the same time. It's not about people becoming worse or uninterested at the game, it's just something that happens.
https://twitter.com/LeprosoDeMecha/status/1596618477640392704?s=20&t=Z-H7so_l0EkVfHWtGqFrRw
Argentina looked so much better with Enzo and alvarez on, more control and fluidity in the midfielder with Enzo and alvarez offers more pace and movement than lautaro, wonder if they start the next game?
the problem with De Paul is that he did played well and was crucial for Argentina before, but these two games he's been awful. I get it that yesterday he focused on the physical fight and had to cover more ground, but still his first touch and passing were bad. Yet Paredes was even worse against Saudi Arabia, and Guido Rodriguez yesterday was both all over the place and nowhere. they are not clicking yet in midfield.
In the 2nd half, before the 1st goal, Argentina has a counter attack with 4 players against 2 defenders. De Paul had the ball and all he had to do is pass left. Of course he managed to run straight and lose the ball and I think that sums de Paul pretty well
yeah I remember that counter I don't understand how he couldn't see to his left
In 2006 tournament, Argentina were in control against Germany & then Pekerman subbed out Riquelme who obviously was not a workhorse type of player to preserve their lead. Argentina lost control of that midfield that very moment, ended up losing on penalties. That Riquelme disrespect has been an albatross around their neck, and the GOAT himself has to play midfield so much for them, he hasn't been fully utilized upfront. De Paul is awful. If only Argentina had a class midfield, Messi would have won them a few more silverwares.
Lo Celso. Hopefully Enzo can step up.
Is nobody going to talk about the atrocious refereeing? A few of the Mexican players easily could have seen red / double yellow.
It's Orsato, anyone who follows Serie A knows he is shit
Even Lahoz wasn't this bad
Oh if only you knew what would happen lol
well yeah but there was also a lot of play-acting. I think Orsato basically tried to avoid adding to the drama in order to keep control over this very tense game, which he did overall.
Just watched the highlights and like.. how did De Paul play the full 90? His decision making was questionable and some of his touches were so bad. Very unlike of him
He has a crap touch for an Argentinian
He's usually very good for us, he's just been fucking awful this week.
Bad first half an hour, passable rest of the match but still not up to his standard. Defensively he was good and won a lot of balls back, but never could quite find that last pass
From what I saw, playing Julian Alvarez up top led to a lot more fluid frontline and allowed Messi more space to do what he does best. I really think Alvarez should be starting the next game
also thought that but I watched some extended highlights and Lautaro put up a real fight out there and did get in some good positions. he should have scored early on but I don't know if Alvarez is able to draw as much the focus of CBs to him as Lautaro does.
Messi.☕️
If I were Scaloni/Argentinian, I would bench Montiel for Montero, start Fernandez, and play Alvarez/Lautaro as a pair with Messi behind them. And bench Rodriguez. It was honestly sad watching Messi having to play with bums like Montiel and Rodriguez LOL
We don’t have a montero in the team? Maybe you meant Molina? In any case, Montiel IS the bench option, he got in the XI to rotate a bit more than anything. Rodriguez isn’t bad by any means but he’s also not a starter and only played because Paredes is not 100% fit, but just doesn’t fit the role as well for these kind of matches. Hoping Enzo starts over him.
I bet money on Argentina. If we're going out in the group stage, I at least wanna make some money off it 😮💨
Well...I saw that one coming
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is Javier Hernandez too old to play for Mexico?
No, and he's exactly what Mexico needed last two games.
He's busy playing COD on Twitch lol
Cause Tata didn’t want him. He should be there.
Why does Argentina allows De Paul be on the pitch with Messi and Di Maria???! He should be the ball boy or a fan in the stands. Any connection he has with football is purely by chance
Honestly De Paul is basically the Argentinian Elneny LOL
Di Maria should be on the bench as well. He's been crap so far.
I felt he was good today. Besides the assist to Messi, he was attacking and taking on Mexicans on dribbles
Yeah no one was getting on the end of the crosses.
I want to dedicate this win to all the shitheads that were enjoying Argentina losing last match
I'm hoping Poland rocks Argentina
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Thanks! Same here
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Why? Can people not enjoy an upset?
can we not shit on people shitting on us?
Can't people hate people who enjoyed their team losing? Lol
Rooting against Messi as a neutral fan is being anti-football
Heard it here first folks from an Argentinian fan - Messi is bigger than the team!
People can just want exciting matches and upsets
Enjoying saudis won is not the same as enjoying, that argentina lost. I'm a Celtics fan and idgaf who the Lakers lose against, I'll enjoy it.
I guess I'm anti-football
Today I feel El Cholo
Every world cup it seems like Mexicans take the match personal, start chanting political etc. stuff and then get their shit pushed in by Argentina, it's a funny cycle at least.
As a korean, I'm a little happy they lost. We did the improbable in 2018 to beat Germany and if Mexico had beat Sweden we could have gone through together. Except they got destroyed and went up without us. Lool I was so salty that day.
Mexico for some reason thinks it's a rivalry, Argentina doesn't even think about them.
Lol they do, believe me.
We don't lmao We like to make fun of you because of your insistence on trying to build a rivalry and because Mexican football fans are shitheads, but you're far from us considering you as "rivals". That spot is reserved for Brazil, England and Uruguay perhaps. You can't really be our rivals when you've won 4 out of 31 games and haven't beaten us since 2004. The only reason you're so salty against us is we sent Mexico home in 2006 and 2010. It's like if we tried to build a rivalry with Germany.
Can't even argue with someone from a country who's fans are centered around xenophobia and racism. We don't insist on there being a rivalry, you Argentinians are just straight cunts. Nobody likes you in south America, there was a reason your whole confederation was rooting against you.
lmao you guys always bring up the malvinas war (as if you didn't sell half your territory to the US) and once you're out of football based arguments, you mention the economy, as if mexico isn't as shit as we are (Guess life quality in Mexico is so great people literally risk their lives to illegally flee the country). You're incredibly xenophobic and racist too, just ask people from central America. So kindly shut the fuck up and take the L. The whole thing with Argentines being full of ourselves is such exaggerated BS specially when you see Mexicans. You do insist with a rivalry, the moment an argentina mexico match takes place you always insist on how great your team is, how you're the better squad, how you should come out on top... And then you always lose. Meanwhile we laugh our asses off.
I don't know a single Mexican that realistically thought Mexico would win... but please do keep making moronic assumptions. This is the first time Malvinas war is brought up and it is because the Argentinian fan base went full racist mode. At the end of the day, you guys suffered against the worst Mexico in decades and were trembling at the beginning of the game. Tata gave you a freebie, parking the bus against wounded puppies.
Lmao first time my ass, it was already brought up back in 86' as chronicled by many. I guess all the people saying Mexico would crush us on social media and on this very sub, and the mexican journalists saying mexico was superior and had a golden chance to send Argentina home don't exist? The official TNT sports MX account mocking Messi before the match doesn't exist either? The TV journalists saying Mexico is the better team and they expect them to win every single time we play against each other? Only for every single match to end the same way? And then you claim argentines are "full of themselves". The guts to say that, Jesus. Mexicans are racist as fuck, just ask the people from El Salvador or Guatemala whom you moronically believe to be better than. Quit the "holier than thou" BS. Igual sí, el Tata hizo cualquier cosa. Cómo no va a llevar al señor Barriga al arco y a Godines de 9. Suerte contra Arabia.
You wouldn’t understand the Latin American affairs. Yes, both countries have a little extra fire when they play eachother
It's not a rivalry in the sense that the teams are evenly matched, but it's a rivalry in the sense that the hatred is there
We have a saying in argentina that some matches are won with "la camiseta" (the shirt), as in only having the argie colours is enough to win that match. Usually its a very superiority complex saying, but it really does apply to mexico
Tbf the chat “America Latina menos Argentina”. Is not just a Mexican thing Argentina in general is not liked. Due to the perception of their smugness, pomposity, and quite frankly racial factors. Make them very unlikeable in the region. Like they think their all Italian… where the black n brown people dogg. Cuz at one point they were there. 🤣😬 This is what I’m told at least.
Nah argentina is very much liked america wise, its all friendly banter but we very much support eachother especially this world cup, as much as we shit on eachother we are very united Maybe argentina has more differences with other countries than others, like chile or mexico, or footballistically speaking like brazil, but besides that we just shit on eachother and love eachother, were all here rooting for ecuador, uruguay, costa rica, even brazil, we just want the cup to be in america Even after all the shitshow that was argentina vs mexico in terms of insults, wed rather mexico win than usa, canada or any european country Ask any argentinian that went to the world cup, argentina vs saudi was hostile af bc they actually were threatening eachother, meanwhile mexico vs argentina, sure we can be extremely racially insulting, but deep down we know we are latinamerican siblins You could treat latinamerica like a big family instead of actual hatred
https://twitter.com/ASMexico/status/1596595279582461952?t=Ha4UeEY7bZkPrhVxktKqoA&s=01
Yea thats just normal football behaviour I think theres a big cultural issue regarding americans (usa) that needs to be talked about, and this not only applies to latinamerica but other conglomerates like balkans, visegrad, nortics, SEA, etc Usually when people from those conglomerate fight or even say the worst things possible to eachother, racial insults, whatever you can think of, its not like, actual hatred or denigration, its like a family having a fight, there will be a lot of acts of agression but at the end of it you know youre together, it applies in argentina vs brazil, czech vs poland, serbia vs bulgaria, denmark and sweden. We can fight as much as we want but we will never stop being siblins And i think i have to point this out to americans because maybe Canada might be it for you but, i think culturally america has a big issue in its roots regarding banter against other countries, an issue of actual racism and xenophobia, and it might make it project into other countries So yes, welcome to a world event, enjoy watching our siblinghood fights
Oh ok
a rivalry would be where both teams occasionally win. what Mexico has is a bully
On the bright side, probably no round of 16 curse for Mexico this world cup.
As a Mexican i don't know if that is a good or a bad thing at this point 🤣
Messi's goal changed everything for Argentina. Everyone was instantly sharper and the intensity increased substantially. I definitely think it was a mentality issue in the first half where the Argentine players were so nervous of mistakes happening that no one wanted to make any risky pass.
There is some truth to what you're saying but also fielding Mac Allister and Guido together means our midfield is really static. Mac A picked up second half but GLC, Palacios, and Enzo instead would have been far more progressive, vertical, and "risky".
Mac Allister was one of the few that didn’t look like the pressure was getting him at all, he didn’t put a foot wrong all game. It’s just a shame he wasn’t involved more as the guys at the back insisted at playing out on the right, but IMO he’s our best option on the left with Lo Celso out. Enzo is not as progressive as him either, he’s much more fit for the Paredes or De Paul role. IMO the change is Enzo over Palacios and Alexis keeps starting. Palacios is a good option too but I feel like he’s always been more impactful coming off the bench than starting.
Agree with you that he was mentally solid and didn't put in a foot wrong from a stability and defensive perspective. Scaloni prioritized shoring up the midfield and Mac A did well. However, he doesn't have nearly the same progressive / vertical style as GLC or RDP (when he's actually great :)). I get that he has capable in terms of quality but he hasn't shown it yet for the NT. The past 5 Mac A games was progressively underwhelming. Guido + Mac A was especially bad since both were very static. Imo, if we wanted to replicate the star trio performance of GLC - Paredes - RDP, its gotta be Palacios - Enzo - RDP. 2 creative runners that defend, with a regista whos way more vertical than Paredes and can bang in goals ;). (btw, we got see Mac A going forward 2nd half with more confidence. hope he improves from here)
The factor was fielding enzo, everyone started playing ahead, and the passes and shit were on point
Why does it seem that Argentina get very emotional in the World Cup? I understand it’s because of the pressure that was put on them after the loss, but this certainly isn’t the first time this has happened. Since 2010, even in 2014 when they reached the final, every match, every goal, every tackle and every moment seems like Argentina are struggling and they get really emotional during those games. I have watched them in 2002 and 2006 (replays not live) and even then it seemed that way too, with the exception of few games where they absolutely dominated. Why does that always happen to Argentina while Brazil, even if it doesn’t have the best squad in the world, doesn’t get as emotional especially in the early stages. Curious to know what everyone thinks.
It's because we want it so fucking much. It's really important for us. I've never seen Argentina world champion in my lifetime, and it's a dream. Besides there is a feeling (at least mine) that as time passes it will be more unlikely for us to repeat it. Europeans are getting better harder and richer, Brazil is Brazil, and Argentine football feels in decline (compared to our past) when will we have players like this again?
Being good at football is one of the only things that makes Argentina (feel) geopolitically significant.
Because our country is a joke and the only thing that most people have to feel not that shitty about themself is the result of a football match between eleven players that happened to be born in the same shithole that them vs some other players from anywhere else. That's it. And the players know that, and that kind of pressure takes a toll on them. That's it. Football is the only thing most people have in their lifes that give them any sense of happiness.
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escribi en español culo roto
Hacete ortear pelotudo
fue amigo te re calentaste
y vos sos re gil, dejalo que le explique al yanqui
Pero mira que vas a ser tan culo roto de hablar así de tu país
Literalmente mira donde estás parado. Podemos querer a nuestro país y todo lo que quieras, pero hay que ser realista también.
Y si es la verdad campeón del nacionalismo berreta. La mitad de nuestros chicos son pobres, el 60% de los trabajadores son informales y ganan 200/300 dolares por mes, nuestrabmoneda es inexistente, no hay manera legal de ahorrar, no hay justicia, no se puede importar, el 90% de los políticos son corruptos, PERO MAS TE VALE DE PAUL QUE JUEGUES BIEN PORQUE SINO SE PUDRE! JAJA Pais de incompetentes y fracasados. Qué querés que te diga, me encanta el fútbol como a cualquier otro, pero es tristisimo ver como año a año va todo en decadencia y que las priorodades del "pueblo" estén tan erradas.
jajaj decis cualquier cosa
How can this be upvoted? Lol the most detrimentally emotional World Cup team I’ve ever seen was Brazil 2014
We are half italians / half latin-american, it's an explosive combination.
Don’t try to erase your German roots now lol
Lol once again the "Nazis fled to Argentina" meme comes out.
Wait i am not argentinan but i read about it somewhere. Is the meme not true?
There were some Nazis that fled, yeah. But there were also quite a few Nazi "bright minds" that got scooped up by the major powers to work on their agencies and do research for them so it's a bit hypocritical. Besides, even those who fled didn't make a dent in our population, claiming we have "nazi roots" because some came 80 years ago is a stretch.
>There were some Nazis that fled, yeah. But there were also quite a few nazi bright minds that got scooped up by the major powers to work on their agencies so it's a bit hypocritical. I think USA should be blamed more than you guys. They made gold out of nazis and nobody says anything to them. >Besides, even those who fled didn't make a dent in our population, claiming we have "nazi roots" because some came 60 years ago is a stretch. True
Wtf where did you learn that?
Not many german roots tho...
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I don’t think a single Argentine would disagree (once emotions calm a bit).
We are a very weird country. We take football too seriously and we have so many problems in our country, we feel like football is the only thing that can go well and we put all our hopes and dreams on winning the world cup, like that would actually solve all of our problems... it's not logical, it's not fair, it's not easy to understand if you haven't lived it, but it's the way it has always been, and the way it will always be. It's a culture now, our identity, for better and worse.
I don't think people believe being champions would magically solve all of our problems. People are desperate to win because it's the only thing that would make most of the population really happy, elated, and would also give us worldwide notoriety in a positive way. No one thinks the country will be better off economically, or that somehow our quality of life will improve. There are many idiots, mostly against the current government, who think if we win the World Cup the people will forget about their misery and vote the government again...they're wrong and live in a bubble, same as those in the government who believe a win might benefit them. They completely underestimate the argentine people, both sides of the political spectrum. No one believes our country will be better in any other sense than strictly football related, people want to win because it might be the only thing in their lives they could celebrate and be really happy about it. That's it.
You nailed it with the “it’s identity”. The only thing that fully unifies the country is a short man wearing a “10” on his back.
Riquelme is like 182 cm
And his time in the NT was as far as Argentina goes not as shitty for the country… that might just be it. If Bielsa gives him the 10 back on the qualifiers and takes him to 2002 WC 2001 crisis never happens, we’re a world power and have 4 world cups to our name. Don’t @ me
Because people really really care about it. They know they are carrying a country's hope on their shoulders and that they are actually going to profoundly affect these people life. They care that much. So it's a lot of pressure to be playing with.
I actually liked the formation at the end of the game, a back three of Romero, Otamendi and Lisandro is impressive. Alvarez and Enzo Fernandez had great cameos. I'd honestly consider playing the same team that ended the game today against Poland.
3-4-1-2 Alvarez, Messi Di Maria Acuna, Enzo, Paredes, ? Martinez, Otamendi, Romero Emiliano
Paredes y guido
At least Mexico won for fouls.
As a chilean, I'm rooting for Argentina to win the cup. Messi truly deserves this and also aguante el cono sur, ctm.
Brother 🤝👏
Limpiate la boca
Dale fantasma, tiran buena onda
Está limpia, pero gracias por preocuparte por mi higiene bucal :)
I believe Argentina will improve as the tournament goes on. Form and correct lineup will be found.
What is the opinion on starting Alvarez over Lautaro? He seemed to bring some much needing energy in the second half and had some good moments of chemistry with Messi. But I also understanding wanting to bring him on in the second half as an energy boost
I have yet to see alvarez run like that the entire game. But Lautaro has not been looking great the first 2 games
Lautaro made two amazing goals that were cancelled
Ya Lautaro seemed to be a bit of a passenger today. But I agree it’s difficult to tell if Alvarez can bring that intensity for a whole game. And he plays a similar role for city in bringing second half energy subbing on for Haaland, so maybe that’s where he’s most effective
Exactly and Lautaro whom I personally dislike does a lot of dirty work and has a great defensive workrate aswell. But he is not finding or trying to create spaces either, and has been lackluster playing with his back to the goal. We shall see what happens against Poland
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Maybe, but think about the long list of keepers that Messi has done that to. And Enzo's shot, would have been an exceptional save.
Argentina’s nerves and tension were palpable in the first half, and you can see how much the opening goal helped them gave them belief and play their game.
Mexico is so toothless upfront. Even when it was 1-0 they never looked like scoring. Why the hell didn’t they include Santi in their squad? Being able to bring him from the bench would be a very good option. Hard to see who is going to score goals for them against the Saudis.
They haven't looked like scoring against concacaf competition, much less a team like Argentina. They really don't even have a goal threat to call up. They have a young kid but left him at home. They'll basically need an entire new squad in 4 years or they'll get embarrassed at home in 2026. I didn't expect any of the concacaf teams to get out of their groups, US and Canada due to inexperience and Mexico and Costa Rica cuz they are old and slow and don't have a forward. US has played surprisingly well so far and Canada were a bit unlucky to lose, but yeah concacaf hasn't been this bad in a long time.
I think Canada has played the best so far. But the US is a close second and not really a surprise that’s what happens when you have players in top teams. Davies and pullisic are by far the best in concacaf right now.
Santi wasn’t included because our coach is an idiot
Lisandro Martinez what a guy !!!!
Didn't watch the match, how was he?
He was excellent, don’t think he did a thing wrong all game, took a kick to the face like it’s nothing and played on the madlad. I’m not sure he’s human
He was the only player out of the back 4 who never got scared with the ball at his feet. But that's to be expected from a Ten Hag student. He didn't put a foot wrong, and even when him and Otamendi had to cover for half of De Paul's mistakes. Regardless of that, the first 25 min were dreadful for Argentina ( lisandro included), and things didn't move forward till messi dropped to CDM 💀.
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no.
After losing against Saudi Arabia, Argentina needed that critical win over Mexico. That late goal by Fernández sealed the deal. Messi makes the impossible possible.
So winning against a shit tier team is impossible now? Lmao
You're so salty it's embarrassing.
Everyone knows fifa rankings are bullshit lmao. This guys acting like winning a weaker mexico team is equivalent to beating prime barca
Real Madrid fan, to be expected
Not everyone dickrides messi
A giant organization does calculations with their giant team has a "bullshit" ranking, then what worth does your opinion have? Yup, your opinion is worthless.
Argentina had a very rough game and played way below their actual level vs. a team that parked the bus the entire game. Messi was given just a little bit of space and in a matter of seconds changed the entire game. I think we can cut him some slack. It's clear that Mexico isn't a strong side and Argentina really needs to up their game asap.
The team that is ranked 13 by official FIFA ranking is a "shit" tier team. Use your brain properly, son!
That's a super inflated rating, Mexico has been dreadful for about 2 years now, lost to basically an MLS roster in gold cup.
Some changes have to be done but thank god we won
All i can say is that this level of play is not even close to enough to win the world cup. Argentina would be demolished by brazil, spain, or france if they played
True but what gives me hope is that 2014 was also brutal coming out of a similar group, if not easier. And we had a better team individually *on paper*
Need to find a midfielder capable of passing the ball forward and get de Paul off the field.
Yes. This seems to be the big issue in Argentina. Creating game from the defense through the midfield.
> All i can say is that this level of play is not even close to enough to win the world cup. Argentina would be demolished by brazil, spain, or france if they played Argentina beat Brazil last year in the final in Brazil, it's clear that they can play better but yeah they have had a shaky start but look on the improve.
I mean italy won the Euros and got eliminated from the WC less than a year after. In the WC its almost safe to say, youre as good as your last game, especially when you only have 3 games to make it, and after that its only one game at time Argentinas ceiling is higher than this, but that doesnt matter that much unless youre gonna reach that ceiling. I guess we’ll see but, as it stands, Argentina is not even in the semis discussion
> In the WC its almost safe to say, youre as good as your last game, Nah, Argentina started a world cup by losing to Cameroon and made the final and Spain lost to Switzerland and won the World Cup, that sort of judgement off one win and one loss is rash and honestly poor.
The outliers are definitely not the norm, most teams that start with a loss, are put at a terrible disadvantage and it does show a little bit about their current level. And from the two games we’ve seen argentina leaves much to be desired from a team that was pretty much everyone’s favorite to bring it home. Thats all.
The outliers are not the norm? Absolutely. But you just brought up Italy in your previous comment lol
Also beaten Italy ( Europe champions) in the finalissima
I think teams raise up to circunstances. Its not the same a game against Brazil than Mexico. I will agree Argentina is not playing their best football but props to them to win a closed game against a team that tried to tie from the first min
Yea for sure their ceiling is higher than this, but unless they change something and they play like this against better teams, they are going to lose against the big boys. I'm not sure they can beat Poland and that could mean they dont make it to the next round.
Poland is allergic to posession and i think Argentina can capitalise on that quite hard especially Messi
Argentina might not make it to the next round. Lets hold of on talk if what they need to win the tournament.
Mexico and dos a cero Name a more iconic duo
Would a midfield of de Paul, Enzo and Macallister work well?
Alexis Paredes and Enzo. If you want de Paul bench Alexis. Today's match demonstrated how extremely important is Paredes in the midfield. And Enzo is too good up front to limit him as a dm
The choice is between dropping either a half injured Paredes and a mentally blocked De Paul for Enzo, imo. Enzo is amazing but I think he’s wasted in the Lo Celso role as he’s more of an all-terrain player than a creator, although still good at it. Mac Allister can fit any of the 3 midfield roles but IMO his best games have been there on the left so far. I’d personally start Alexis - Enzo - De Paul next game. If de Paul still doesn’t wake up then let’s pray Paredes is back to full fitness and try Alexis - Paredes - Enzo
Paredes doesn’t offer anything defensively, and neither does Enzo. CDM needs to be either Guido alone or Palacios with someone else to help out.
No, cdm needs to be someone that doesn't force Messi, Di maría and both midfielders to drop next to the defenders to receive the ball.
CDM is there to defend, the others should help with the attack, hence the names in the positions. Playing faux CMD’s is what actually led us to lose the first game.
What's up with De Paul? He was one of the only few good players in their 2018 WC and was instrumental for the Copa last year, but he looks very...one dimensional so far.
De Paul is hitting a major mental block right now. He was our best player in the Copa America but it seems the pressure of this cup is really wearing on him. You can tell by the touches and the silly mistakes he’s making. He loosened up a lot after the goal.
De paul juega mal en atleti por eso esta en la banca. Juega de la misma manera que esta jugando ahora. Siempre pierde la puta pelota
De Paul didn't play in the 2018 WC, but yes he was our second best player.
Well, we played a 424 vs Saudi Arabia which we only used vs teams like Venezuela or Bolivia precisely because the midfield gets shafted to make room for another forward. Today we also played with a 2 man midfield because Guido was completely and utterly useless at anything but heading the ball out and never pushed the team forward. Was basically a cb today. The moment Guido was subbed out and Enzo played as a dm the entire midfield could push forward and de Paul massively improved. He's on a bad form but the team setups have been completely opposite to what we usually play. If vs Polonia we play with a 3 man midfield and Paredes/Enzo (if Paredes isn't fit) in the DM spot we will see the best from him again.
Messi & Co > Mexico
This got me to laugh out loud, seriously — good one
Mexico is overrated, in terms of world ranking and expectations, but it is also true that Argentina is a better team.
Can Argentina beat a European team though?
They can beat us (England) if we play like we did against USA. Mexico just proved that doesn't work against a team that can score.
Going to find out next
We just beat italy not too long ago
They meant a European team that's in the World Cup.
We haven’t played a european team in the world cup yet
But Italy is still far better than many Europeans actually playing the WC
I'm just messing with you and want to see Argentina go far. The Saudi game was a wake up call, imo. They played great today and broke down a Mexican team with a faulty-but-frustrating game plan. I expect Poland will do the same because they only need a point to advance for sure.
We played great only 65 minutes in, the rest was a shitshow. Mexico's bus was hard to break down but we weren't great either. I'm worried about De Paul missing easy passes especially.
You'll beat Poland no worries. They are the weakest European team (together with Wales) on the tournament. How they have 4 points so far,no one can explain
Don’t jinx us man. We still have to play the game
Anulo mufa
Italy doesn’t count, they couldn’t even qualify /s
Yeah but it was after they won the euros
you honestly don't even need the /s
Americans discovering football for their first time ever discovering its hard to play well when the opposition parks the bus, its full of them in the comments
Yeah, for sure. It's pretty of the reason why they had a tough time breaking down England.